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BuddyYoung Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 06:05 PM
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Was Ted Olson warned about not taking commercial flights on 9/11?

As a private attorney, Mr. Olson represented George Bush in the Supreme Court case Bush v Gore. He was later appointed Solicitor General of the United States - a position he held on September 11, 2001.

Most informed people know about the warnings (not to take commercial flights on 9/11) given to certain individuals such as then SF Mayor Willie Brown, certain high-ranking military officers etc..
Given the role that Mr. Olson played in George Bush's efforts to become President, it's reasonable to think that he would have been one of those people that would have received such a warning, if warnings were indeed actually given.

Did Mr. Olson allow his wife to book a flight on September 11 in spite of his having been warned? Did Mrs. Olson know about the warning but failed to heed it?

What are your thoughts about WHO was selected to be warned? It seems odd to me that so few prominent people perished on the flights (or should I say alleged flights?) of 9/11. Even though 9/11 was a Tuesday (not Thursday or Friday, when most members of Congress might be expected to be on flights to their home Districts in Southern California), it's reasonable that there might be any number of Gov't officials leaving Washington for the West coast for various reasons, yet the wife of the Solicitor General was the only prominent person that is said to have perished on AA FL 77.

If 9/11 was an inside job (and I believe it was), did the conspiracists have a plan to make sure that no prominent persons would be aboard flights leaving Dulles (or Boston or NYC) that day? If so, then what are to make of the case of Barbara Olson?

I'd be very interested to hear what other DUers think about all of these questions, plus any other related points.
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Generarth Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 07:35 PM
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1. Ted & Barbara
I think it's one of these two;

1. They were separated and consequently the warning was not passed on to her.
2. Ted wasn't in the loop, which wouldn't surprise me. I can't imagine if this was the case that he was too happy just afterwards.

There is a third but much, much less likely possibility;

3. She's still alive. In which case I'd suggest her role was both planned and that the Olson's marriage was over.

I'd tend to go for the first one, but I certainly wouldn't rule out the second one.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 03:51 AM
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2. I'm developing the opinion on the flights
(especially 77), that the people on board were targeted and selected to be murdered. I posted a little on the debug thread. Most of the people on that flight were involved in some way with the military or defense contractors. Even the National Geographic team is related to NOAA and the Global Hawk. There were several types among the passengers who fit the profile for whistle blowers. Several had medical or pharmaceutical connections to Washington (anthrax, Tommy Thompson). And, of course, the Raytheon electronic warfare guys.
As far as the Olson's, what's weird, other than the phone anomalies, is that the first thing he does after finding out his wife was on a hijacked plane is to call CNN and give them a "scoop". This may have even been after the crash, which makes it even more mind numbing. She was a "journalist" and her husband was *lers attorney during the first theft, I believe, so she may have had some inside info about that and she was going to spill the beans. (Just because she was a right winger doesn't mean she didn't have a conscious, right?) Or something like that...
A plane full of whistleblowers...
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 09:00 AM
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3. How did they get all of those people on that flight?
Were they "sent" to L.A. by higher ups, and how were the arrangements made? Also, a point of fact, there was a group of school children on that flight. I would doubt that they were targeted for murder.

Just trying to delve a little deeper into your theory, not discounting it.
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Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 09:57 AM
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4. Well I'm already discounting it.
Wow, that is a loo-loo.

All of this coordination to:
Blow up the towers with explosives, not mention get the explosives into the towers in about a yr
Get those specific people on Flight 77
Land UA 93 in Cleveland
Warn certain people not to fly that day
etc
etc

Yet not ONE person involved in the conspiracy has talked. That must be one doozy Non-Disclosure Agreement.
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BuddyYoung Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 10:29 AM
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6. 6,000 people knew about the greatest secret of WW2 & none talked.
Not one of the 6,000 people who knew about the successful efforts to crack the so-called Enigma Code talked about it, so it shouldn't be so surprising that no one (in a position to know) has yet spoken (publicly) about their knowledge of the 911 conspiracy.
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Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 10:50 AM
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8. Apples vs Oranges
Not that hard to see the distinction.

Also, it was no secret to the Germans that the code was being broken, Enigma was released in a series of itterations. The Poles broke it first about the mid-30's. The Germans kept upgrading the code and changing it as cracks were invented by the allies

Not a secret.

You think the Allies didn't know that the Axis was trying to break their codes and probably succeeding to some extent.
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BuddyYoung Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 12:23 PM
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15. How many Japanese knew about Pearl Harbor in advance?
How many talked about THAT conspiracy?

How many people knew about the Gulf of Tonkin lies, and how many of them talked...and when?

Oklahoma City? Ditto.

How many people knew about the Gulf War Conspiracy cooked up by Hill & Knowlton? You know, the one where the Kuwaiti Ambassador's daughter testified about all those Iraqi soldiers that she falsely claimed had unplugged incubators that had babies in them at the hospital in Kuwait City. How many of those people talked?

How many people know about the conspiracy to use disinformation agents (Gov't and/or via contracts w/PR firms) to suppress 911 information? How many of the people that know about that have talked? (btw - obviously, I don't mean you personally. I don't even know who you are.)
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Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 12:32 PM
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16. Let's keep playing these games
Pearl Harbor attack: The Japanese High Command until the fleet was at sea.

Gulf of Tonkin Lies?: 2005 report tells of the dubiouos reports of the second attack. First attack was admitted to by Gen Giap. So the ship was attacked by NV Forces.

Oklahoma City: Well considering it was Tim McVeigh and his crew, I would say about 4 given the crudeness of the bomb.

The Kuwaiti Ambassador's daughter story did not need a conspiracy. Maybe 2 or 3 to cook up the story.

As for your last one, well, you first have to believe in MIHOP.
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BuddyYoung Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 12:40 PM
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18. More games? First, you'll have to answer the questions I asked.
nt
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Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 03:18 PM
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20. Haven't guessed the name of the game yet?
Its called the Non-Sequitur Game?

All Poodles are Dogs, you have a dog, therefore, you must have a Poodle.

How long until you break out the Chewbacca Defense?
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BuddyYoung Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 04:32 PM
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21. Obviously you can't answer the questions. Thanks for playing.

nt
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Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 05:25 PM
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22. Chewbacca Defense
Chewbacca is a Wookie ladies and Gentlemen of this supposed jury...

We can both keep delving into the ridiculous all day, but as is classic, you will keep resorting to non-sequitir which are UNRELATED to the issue at hand.

That does not equal logical victory for your argument.

What other unrelated questions can you come up with at your underground coffee house meetings where you and your friends seethe over the stupidity of all around that can't see the obviousness of the government conspiracy and the CGI effects on the national news programs.

It was so obvious that Katie Couric and Matt Lauer were acting when they reacted to the second strike on the WTC as they watched it. How can the world not see that? They should both be imprisoned as conspirators in these crimes against humanity.
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Generarth Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 06:41 PM
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23. How many earthlings knew about the Vogons plans
For the hyperspace bypass which required the destruction of Earth?

Eh?
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 10:12 PM
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56. I think the Manhattan Project was a greater secret.
But we should probably figure out what criteria we are using for "greatest secret" first, then we can argue about how the example applies to certain theories about September 11th.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 11:39 AM
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12. How many do you think would know?
and the only "looloo" is that hijackers with box cutters (which Barbara Olson conveniently allegedly confirmed for our convenience) fooled our entire military, Air Force, & NORAD on that day, and overwhelmed all the passengers and pilots & staff on 4 planes, some of who had been trained to deal with hijackers. Let's not EVEN get into flying a plane with precision when you had little experience. Explain that THEN ridicule me.

The reason they made up the "box cutter" story is to avoid lawsuits if bombs or guns had been involved
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Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 12:39 PM
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17. First you need to answer
How could the entire network news apparatus not notice attempts to or conspire (you pick) to put false aircraft images on their news casts to show planes crashing into the WTC?

How could a remote control large airliner be controlled to crash into the buildings?

How exactly had the airline staff been trained to deal with hijackers?

Let's not EVEN get into the landing of UA 93 in Cleveland.

Explain that (coherently), then you will be above ridicule.



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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 12:51 PM
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19. I agree
The story that 19 fundamentalist-Muslim young males succeeded in outwitting our national defense, to say nothing of the passengers on board the planes they were supposed to be on, by wielding box cutters, has to be the biggest "looloo" story I have ever heard or seen.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 12:08 PM
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67. Hi Hope!
No kidding, now that is a "looloo!"
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 12:10 PM
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68. Sure is!
:hi:
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 11:32 AM
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11. They might not have been on the flight
and that flight might not have hit the Pentagon. The transponder went off 15 minutes before "impact". Sometimes I've considered that some of the Passengers were actually in the Pentagon, not in the plane. Most of them had business there, some of them worked there and had colleagues who died in that very wing. That way when their dna showed up in the Pentagon, who would say whether they had been from the "plane" or in the Pentagon and there was a great deal of secrecy after the crash, the NT SB were the only people who were allowed to look at it and that was very controlled.
The kids were all part of the Natl Geographic tour which as I stated above is part of those connected to military knowledge. Two of the kids were from military families and Bernard Brown's father worked in the part of the Pentagon that was hit, but he was off "golfing" that day. He had spoken to his son about death and dying that morning before he had left.

I know it sounds nutty, but there is no way that the people on that plane are coincidental.
The Navy physicist who died aboard 77 did work that was secret according to his family and which he never discussed with them. They didn't even know he was on the flight.
I don't know how they got them on or even if they were on it.
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BuddyYoung Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 12:13 PM
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14. Excellent points, all.
There's no credible evidence of a passenger plane crashing into the Pentagon and your conjecture that "some of the Passengers were actually in the Pentagon, not in the plane" is a very shrewd point and in my opinion it's a very realistic possibility.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 07:25 PM
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24. The school children connections
So Hilda Taylor, the teacher accompanying the National Geographic schoolchildren , was a teacher at Leckie Elementary School who used the Jason Project method of teaching. The Jason Project is interesting. It is funded by Shell,, Sun, Oracle, Vernier, and is partnered with NOAA, NASA, etc...
Doing a search for Jason Project and "global hawk " comes up with a lot of Dept of Defense budgets with mention the Jason Project and the Global hawk, UAV's, etc...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=RNWE%2CRNWE%...
So I might spend a little more time on this.

Also, there are two Leckie parents, not related to the kids who died in the Pentagon. They worked in the chief of naval operations graphic shop.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 07:40 PM
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25. Jason is a very interesting name
Edited on Mon Jul-17-06 07:43 PM by DrDebug
The Jason Group used to be/is a secret scientific group formed during the Manhattan Project and administered by the Mitre Corporation.

Very long story here:
http://home.planet.nl/~reijd050/organisations/JASON_Gro...

It is also a very confusing story because the name is used in UFO pages and Majestic 12 which was the political group and included the top officers and directors of the Council on Foreign Relations and Trilateral Group. It includes members like Henry Kissinger, George H.W. Bush, Zbigniew Brzezinski.

The problem with the Jason Group is that it is really, really deep conspiracy stuff and it'll be immense hard to figure out what is correct information and what is disinformation.

There was confusion about whether it was Majestic 12 or Majesty 12. One of those names is correct and the other one is disinformation.

Jason Group is above TOP SECRET and not a little either. Start with Reijd because he has reasonable clean research, however you'll also find many weird sites. Once again Jason Group is conspiracy to the max and it'll very unclear with lots of disinformation.

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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 07:53 PM
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27. Do you think that is the same
as the Jason Project? It seems to have a lot of clout for a science educational program. There is also a Jason Foundation which was started to research child suicide, and has Carlyle Group's Frank Carlucci on the board of directors.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 08:03 PM
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28. Could be. Frank Carlucci is of course a major player.
Edited on Mon Jul-17-06 08:07 PM by DrDebug
The Jason Project still exists and has a large public budget:

UNCLASSIFIED Department of Defense FY 2003 Budget Estimate Feburary 2002

(...)

This project supports the JASON, an independent group of distinguished scientists and technical researchers that provides analysis of critical national security issues. JASON membership is carefully balanced to provide a wide spectrum of scientific expertise and technical analysis in theoretical and experimental physics, materials, information sciences, biology and other allied disciplines. The JASON process ensures that senior government leaders have the full range of U.S. academic expertise available on issues critical to national security involving classified and unclassified information.

(...)

JASON. ($2.509 Million) - Continued studies of interest to DoD in multiple disciplines such as: counter proliferation of chemical and biological weapons; advanced space based systems; advanced computing; multi-layered infrastructure defense; advanced sensor technologies; dispersed land forces technology; battlefield information systems and military communications; ultra low power electronics; and advanced signal processing.

FY 2002 Plans:

JASON. ($1.500 Million) - Continue studies of interest to DoD in multiple disciplines such as: defense against bio-warfare and protection from information attack; operational dominance concepts, including, affordable precision targeting, mobile distributed communications, and future warfare concepts; advanced space based systems; sensor technologies; battlefield information systems; advanced computing; rocket

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/budget/f...


And as you can see Space is one of their major research areas and that makes it very unclear since their name comes up in UFOs everywhere.

I found a document outlining the Jason Project. This is from 1972 (!) so it's very old. The Pentagon Papers have detailed information about the Jason Project. They already had automated warfare back in 1966!

SCIENCE AGAINST THE PEOPLE

The Story of Jason - The Elite Group Of Academic Scientists Who, As Technical Consultants To The Pentagon, Have Developed The Latest Weapon Against Peoples' Liberation Struggles: "Automated Warfare"

Researched, Written and Produced by Berkeley SESPA
Scientists and Engineers for Social and Political Action, December 1972
Contributors: Jan Brown, Martin Brown, Chandler Davis, Charlie Schwartz, Jeff Stokes, Honey Well, Joe Woodard

(...)

The first aim of this study is to assemble some of the story of this classified work. An especially significant contribution of Jason to the Vietnam War was revealed in the Pentagon Papers. In a 1966 report, a Jason group drew up general outlines for a system of sensors, communications links, aircraft, mines and bombs intended to stop transport of soldiers and supplies into South Vietnam. This system, adopted and expanded by the Pentagon, has become what is now known as the automated battlefield. It has made possible the policy of minimizing American casualties while continuing to devastate Indochina and its people through technological warfare; it has made possible Nixon's plan to prosecute the war indefinitely or until he can achieve "peace with honor;" it is being readied for other, future wars.

THE ORIGIN OF JASON

At the end of World War II many of the country's leading scientists, who had been involved in such war research as the atomic bomb and radar, left full-time government work and returned to the college campuses. The military, of course, did not want to lose all this valuable talent. In addition to its own "in-house" laboratories, the Defense Department sought to establish ongoing consulting liaison with first-rate scientists.

At first this service was obtained through the RAND corporation and some scientific advisory committees attached directly to the Pentagon; some scientists also consulted for industrial corporations working on defense contracts. The industrial consulting jobs paid extremely well, but the scientists involved felt that they were not close enough to the center of power to influence policy decisions. On the other hand, scientists in Washington often felt restricted by the particular government agency they consulted for and also found the government consulting fee scales to be very low. Therefore, the idea of a new, independent research and consulting organization arose: this was the Institute for Defense Analyses, IDA. Set up nominally as a private, non-profit corporation, IDA worked on the basis of contracts with the Pentagon for particular research problems of interest to the military. IDA could determine its own salary scales and it hoped to attract high calibre scientists with the promise of considerable "freedom" in their choice of problem to be worked on. A group of the very brightest young scientists was recruited into a sub-group of IDA called Jason. The whole success of this enterprise depended upon establishing it as a mark of highest prestige to be invited into this elite group.

(...)

This special scientific study group was assembled under the auspices of the Jason Division of IDA; the group of 47 scientists represented "the cream of the scholarly community in technical fields"..."a group of America's most distinguished scientists, men who had helped the Government produce many of its most advanced technical weapons systems since the end of the Second World War, men who were not identified with the vocal academic criticism of the Administration's Vietnam policy." This Jason study group met during the summer of 1966, starting off with a series of briefings by high officials from the Pentagon, the Central Intelligence Agency, the State Department and the White House. They were given access to secret materials.

The Jason report, given to McNamara at the beginning of September, was in four parts: "
1. The Effects of US Bombing in North Vietnam;
2. Viet Cong/North Vietnam Army Logistics and Manpower;
3. An Air Supported Anti-Infiltration Barrier; and
4. Summary of Results, Conclusions and Recommendations."
This report was regarded as particularly "sensitive" and the only persons to receive copies, outside of McNamara, were General Wheeler and Mr. Rostow. The writers of the Pentagon Papers evaluated this Jason report as exerting "a powerful and perhaps decisive influence in McNamara's mind," concerning future US policies in Vietnam.

http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~schwrtz/SftP/Jason.html


If it was related to Jason then the IT Gurus and Aerospace people can make sense, since those were mainly non-US citizens and they were among the top in their field. It could have been away to include them into Jason Group. In case of these people there is a chance that they did not disappear but where included in the Jason Group using the flights.

Keep on digging at the Jason Project. If there is a link then some part of the flight program makes sense. Mind you is one of the most secret groups and these are the absolute top in science. This is future research which is years or even decades beyond what we think is possible.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:08 AM
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34. So THAT is associated with elementary/middle schools??
Don't you think that is odd? I noticed they were in the DoD budget right along with warfare, etc...What could this mean? I noticed that the schools the NatGeo kids went to were involved in some space programs , with NASA, it also looked like one of the schools was all African American, at least the pictures I saw, don't know what that means. Could this be some kind of psyops thing?
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 05:00 AM
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36. No idea whatsoever. It hides the Jason Project in searches
Because the link to the other projects are now very deep. But the guy who founded the Jason educational project is a definite candidate for Jason science project.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 09:28 PM
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30. Robert Ballard
Edited on Mon Jul-17-06 09:30 PM by DrDebug
Robert Ballard is in charge of the project:


Robert Duane Ballard Ph.D. (born June 30, 1942) is a famous oceanographer most noted for his work in underwater archaeology. He is most famous for the discoveries of the wrecks of the RMS Titanic in 1985 and the battleship Bismarck in 1989.

While a student in Santa Barbara, California, he completed the US Army's ROTC program and got an Army commission. (...)

Ballard was working towards a Ph.D. in marine geology at the University of Southern California in 1967, when he was called to active duty. Upon his request, Ballard was transferred into the US Navy as an oceanographer. The Navy assigned Ballard as a liaison between the Office of Naval Research and the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Woods Hole, Massachusetts.

After leaving the Navy in 1970, Ballard continued working at Woods Hole persuading organizations and people, mostly scientists, to fund and use Alvin for undersea research. Four years later Ballard received a Ph.D. in marine geology and geophysics at the University of Rhode Island.

(...)

The expedition which was featured on the National Geographic Society television special Dive to the Edge of Creation, determined that hydrogen sulfide coming out of the vents provided conditions for bacteria which fed animals that lived by the vents. They discovered various new species including new types of crabs and tube worms.

(...)

RMS Titanic

In the summer of 1985, Ballard was aboard the French research ship Le Suroit which was using the revolutionary new side scan sonar to find Titanic's wreck. When the French ship was recalled, Ballard transferred onto a ship from Woods Hole: the Knorr. Unbeknownst to some, this trip was being financed by the U.S. Navy, and it would be doing secret reconnaissance of the wreckage of the USS Scorpion (Compare: George W. Bush / Alaska International and Project Jennifer), a nuclear submarine that had sunk nearby. Afterwards, Ballard was free to hunt for Titanic.

The Knorr arrived on site on August 22, 1985, and deployed Argo. Argo was an unmanned submersible that could be deployed in deep water. (...)

This time, Ballard brought Alvin, a deep diving submersible which could hold a small crew. Alvin was accompanied by Jason Junior (...)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_d._ballard


And he is definitely a Jason Project kind of guy. They already used the terms during their exploration of the Titanic. Note the University of Rhodes Island, U.S. Navy, Santa Barbara and National Geographic Society.

He took children to NASA as well. ( http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/pdf/80024main_22200Ast... )

They even spell it the same way with all capitals.

And why do they call one of their projects Lost City

Lost City

What is Lost City?
Lost City is a hydrothermal vent field discovered just a few years ago. It is located in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean about 700 m below the surface of the water. It is an underwater, hot spring system like no other yet discovered, which makes it all the more interesting to study. There are more than 30 active and inactive chimneys in the field. The tallest chimney, named Poseidon, rises 60 m (about 197 ft) above the seafloor!

Where is Lost City located?
The Lost City hydrothermal vent field lies in international waters, roughly 2500 km (1600 mi) east of Bermuda, in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. The vent field is located along the southern flanks of an underwater mountain called the Atlantis massif, about 15 km (9 mi) from the Mid-Atlantic ridge.

How and when was the Lost City hydrothermal vent field discovered?
Dr. Deborah Kelley is the first to admit that the late-2000 discovery of the Lost City hydrothermal vent field was a happy accident. There shouldnt have been any hydrothermal vents 15 km (9 mi) away from the volcanic Mid-Atlantic ridge heat source. But, on a camera survey away from the ridge, Dr. Kelley, Gretchen Frh-Green, and their colleagues saw something completely unexpected on their monitor screens. They had just enough time left onboard their research ship to make one more dive in the submersible Alvin. On that dive, they saw giant white towers appear out of the darkness outside their windows. To date, scientists know of no other hydrothermal vent field on Earth like Lost City.

Why is it called Lost City?
The Lost City vents are located on an underwater mountain called the Atlantis massif. And the research vessel being used when the vent field was discovered was named the Atlantis. The eerie, tower-like vent chimneys made the researchers think of an underwater city. It seemed only natural to name the vent field after the famous Lost City of Atlantis, which legend tells us disappeared beneath the waves long ago.

http://lostcity.jason.org/did_you_know.aspx


No comment...
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 09:45 PM
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31. Underwater research laboratory Aquarius
Edited on Mon Jul-17-06 09:46 PM by DrDebug
Milton was right, it was not outer space, it's underwater...


JASON XI: Going to Extremes looks at sea and space through the eyes of modern-day explorers. We compare NOAA's Aquarius Underwater Laboratory in the Florida Keys and NASA's International Space Station as research platforms that enable humans to go beyond their physical limitations to explore the unknown.

http://www.stanford.edu/~btobin/courses/106/jason_onlin...



Chris Borne

Host Technician: Underwater Habitat-AQUARIUS


Scientists often need to spend many hours scuba diving to conduct research on coral reefs and marine life. The underwater research laboratory AQUARIUS allows scientists to live underwater, allowing them a more intense and productive period of research. Chris Borne's job is to train aquanauts (scientists living in the AQUARIUS) and staff in advanced diving techniques to ensure every that every mission is safe. A saturation mission takes more than 20,000 person-hours to successfully run. Borne's team is made up of commercial saturation divers, emergency divers, medical technicians and engineers.

http://www.jasonproject.org/jason7/people/borne.html


This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
The age of Aquarius
Aquarius! Aquarius!


Only the peace is missing...

Their project officially stopped at Jason XIII before 9/11 and that was called Frozen Worlds.

So what is Jason XIV?
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 05:56 AM
Response to Reply #31
60. Oh, Jason and the Argonauts!
Now that makes sense, I read that is where the name came from.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:26 AM
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39. Roy F. Schwitters, head of Jason Group (Science)
Edited on Tue Jul-18-06 07:27 AM by DrDebug
Roy F. Schwitters:

Schwitters was director of the Superconducting Super Collider (SSC) in Waxahachie, Texas .

The SSC is bit like the partical accelators at CERN (birth place of the World Wide Web BTW) and Fermilab. Clinton pissed him off by not funding SSC since Fermilab and CERN are operational and tow US partial accelators was absurd.

2001 - Present Chair, UT Department of Physics
1990 - Present S.W. Richardson Regents Professor of Physics, The University of Texas at Austin
1989 - 1993 Director, SSC Laboratory
1979 - 1990 Professor of Physics, Harvard University
1971 - 1979 Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

Other Professional Activities (Partial List):
1991 - 1996 Member, International Committee for Future Accelerators (ICFA)
1989 - Present Member, Extended Scientific Council of DESY
1988 - 1991 Member, Commission on Physical Sciences, Mathematics, and Resources, National Research Council
1987 - 1989 Member, Editorial Advisory Committee, Physics Today
1981 - 1984 Member, High Energy Physics Advisory Panel, U.S. Department of Energy
1981 - 1984 Member, Advisory Committee for Physics, National Science Foundation
1980 - 1983 Divisional Associate Editor for Particles and Fields, Physical Review Letters
1978 - 1989 Associate Editor, Annual Review of Nuclear and Particle Science

www.ph.utexas.edu/~schwitte/Schwitters.htm

University of Texas is a vital clue, because that's a military front:


Following the Second World War, American universities transformed their research and curricula to serve the military-industrial complex. Military leaders, war hawks, and weapons developers discovered that universities were the ideal places to further the cause of war. No longer would the nation's best minds be wasted on frivolous books and abstractions. Instead, they would be applied to the furtherance of American military might. Through Korea, Vietnam, and the hottest days of the Cold War, American universities have expended untold amounts of intellectual labor in the production of war machinery.

(...)

Few students know about it, but UT-Austin has another campus 30 minutes northwest of the Main Campus. The place is called the J.J. Pickle Research Campus and it's even larger than our humble 40 Acres. It looks like a cross between a military base and the A&M campus. The security is tight and they don't take kindly at all to people without badges. Out there, students, professors, and scary people in white suits work on secretive research projects.

The campus includes the Applied Research Labs, Nuclear Engineering Teaching Lab, the Center for Electromechanics, the Robotics Research Group, and the Center for Aeromechanics. Nearby is the Institute for Advanced Technology. While there are quite a few truly great projects undertaken at Pickle, there is also a lot of questionable activity. The U.S. Navy, the Department of Defense, and other branches of the military have set up shop at these facilities and are developing technology like electromagnetic weaponry, systems to deliver ballistic missiles, and even fantastical Star Wars Defense Initiative projects. As a university lab, the Institute of Advanced Technology is unique in that it is completely under the control of the U.S. Army. Also the Applied Research Lab (ARL) is one of only six Pentagon-directed University Affiliated Research Centers (UARCs), which are closely tied with Federally Funded Research and Development Centers (FFRDCs) that include corporations as the MITRE Corporation and the RAND Corporation. According the the ARL, their current "research efforts are now directed at high resolution sonar, shallow water acoustics, software system research, geographic system development for the USMC, satellite geodesy, anti- submarine warfare (ASW), active sonar, undersea surveillance, and information and data processing".

http://www.utwatch.org/war /


Schwitters is also part of the UT System Los Alamos Task Force.

The Task Force assesses and advises the Chancellor and the UT Board of Regents on developments in the Department of Energy's competition of the management contract for Los Alamos National Laboratory and related issues. ( http://www.utwatch.org/war/taskforce.html )

And as we all know Los Alamos is still a nuclear bomb factory despite all their disinformation efforts to give that place credibility.


Albert Einstein, March 8th, 1955:

(...)
Today, the existence of the military mentality is more dangerous than ever; far the weapons which are available to aggressor nations have become much more powerful than weapons of defense. This fact will inevitably produce the kind of thinking which leads to preventive wars. Because of the general insecurity resulting from these developments, the civil rights of citizens are being sacrificed to the alleged cause of national interest. Political witch hunting and government interference in many forms, such as official control over teaching, research, and the press, appear inevitable and, consequently, do not encounter the kind of popular resistance that ought otherwise serve to protect the population. All traditional values are changing and anything which does not clearly serve the utopian goal of militarism is considered inferior.

http://www.salsa.net/peace/conv/8weekconv6-4.html

"We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if mankind is to survive."
- Albert Einstein
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 08:59 AM
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42. Cross match flights - Jason/Aerospace/Oceanography
Both the Aerospace groups and the Oceanography / National Geographic people are selected, because there is a space and underwater part. Underwater is probably the most important part. Global Hawk not included in the list.

Flight 11:
  • Christine Barbuto *university Rhode Island* (links in other TJX as well)
  • Patrick Currivan *guru. Jason material*
  • Charles Edward Jones *space shuttle pilot*
  • Daniel C. Lewin *guru. Jason material*
  • John Joseph Wenckus *aerospace*

    Flight 175:
  • Klaus Bothe *aerospace*
  • John J. Corcoran III *container ship* (or al-Cokeda)
  • Heinrich Kimmig *aerospace*
  • Wolfgang Peter Menzel *aerospace*

    Flight 77:
  • Charles F. Burlingame III *navy pilot*
  • Bernard Brown Jr. *National Geographics. Navy family*
  • William E. Caswell *navy*
  • David Charlebois *son US foreign service* (1)
  • Sara Clark *National Geographics*
  • Asia Cottom *National Geographics. Father Dept. of Agriculture*
  • James Daniel Debeuneure *National Geographics. Former Army Times*
  • Rodney Dickens *National Geographics*
  • Charles Droz III *Former Navy*
  • Barbara Edwards *French and German teacher (2). Son Marine pilot*
  • Bud Flagg traveling with Barbara Edwards and Dee Flagg, his wife *Navy Admiral*
  • Dee Flagg id.
  • Charles S. Falkenberg *ECOlogic Corp (NASA)*
  • Zoe Falkenberg id.
  • Dana Falkenberg id. (not identified)
  • James Joe Ferguson *Director National Geographics*
  • Richard P. Gabriel Sr. *US Marine*
  • Bryan Jack *Naval officer*
  • Ann Judge *National Geographics*
  • Chandler Raymond Keller *Aerospace*
  • Dong Lee *Integrated Defense Systems / NSA*
  • Ruben Ornedo *Boeing Satelite Systems*
  • John Sammartino *Naval Research Laboratory*
  • Hilda Taylor *National Geographics*
  • John Yamnicky "Ret. Naval aviator" ("He had done a number of black programs -- which means top-secret," said his son. "We were given no details.")
  • Vicki Yancey "former naval electronics technician"

    Flight 93:
  • William Joseph Cashman *wireless* and *navy*
  • Richard Jerry Guadagno *environment*
  • Christine Anne Snyder *environment*

    WTC 1:
  • Vladimir Tomasevic from Canada. Was invited to the Windows on the World meeting on 9/11. Vice president Software development for Optus e-biz. Created software for the aerospace industry.

    Notes:

    1. Jason-Atlantis-Space-Underwater appears to be a combined French/US project - unlike the other projects which are the usual suspects - and this can explain France's commitment to Afghanistan. Upto now they've played a minor role in al-Cokeda and the relationship with the US is not that good either, so a couple of drug dealers can hardly explain it and is pretty irrelevant. The French did know about 9/11 and had warned and - most importantly - had an embassy office in WTC which is by definition France and not U.S.A. and the destruction of that office without telling them would be an act of war, so they definitely knew. The Jason Project could explain their major role in Afghanistan.

    2. A language teacher would be very useful in a combined project.

    That's 47 people which could be involved in the Jason Project and it has an underwater part and has at least its own satelite as well. If there is one group who can be alive it can be this group for the Jason Project.
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    DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 03:05 PM
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    44. Flight 93 / Loose Change's NASA story
    Edited on Tue Jul-18-06 03:23 PM by DrDebug
    Loose Change was made by a 21 year boy and he made some mistakes and the CIA is continously using the film for ridicule. Nobody mentions that the amounts of lies in the 9/11 Commission report are much larger and this young man made some errors but overall he made a good movie and if it was a school program it would be done a B which is very good.

    Flight 93 contains only three candidates for Project Atlantis, so it is not that relevant, but let's start there.

    Let's take a deeper look at the Cleveland Hopkins' story:

    Port Control Director of Cleveland Hopkins Airport is John C. Mok, joined in July, 2002. In September 2001, Reuben Shepherd was director of the city's Port Control.

    On Aug. 23, 2001, Cleveland Mayor Michael White and Brook Park Mayor Thomas Coyne "finally" signed an airport redevelopment agreement between the two cities.
    The agreement will allow "tearing down the International Exposition Center to make way for a runway extension".

    Among other things, the pact called "to put the I-X Center in Cleveland and the NASA Glenn Research Center in Brook Park".

    http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:qfJhWlpjPL4J:inn.g... (No longer online)


    "A Boeing 767 out of Boston made an emergency landing Tuesday at Cleveland Hopkins Airport due to concerns that it may have a bomb ... the plane had been moved to a secure area of the airport ... United identified the plane as Flight 93."

    http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/flight93.html



    UAL Flight 93 Landed Safely At Cleveland Hopkins Airport
    Plane Lands In Cleveland - Bomb Feared Aboard

    Reported by 9News Staff
    9/11/01 11:43:57 AM

    A Boeing 767 out of Boston made an emergency landing Tuesday at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport due to concerns that it may have a bomb aboard, said Mayor Michael R. White.

    White said the plane had been moved to a secure area of the airport, and was evacuated.

    United identified the plane as Flight 93. The airline did not say how many people were aboard the flight.

    United said it was also "deeply concerned" about another flight, Flight 175, a Boeing 767, which was bound from Boston to Los Angeles.

    http://911review.org/inn.globalfreepress/Cleveland_Airp...



    United Airlines flight 93
    Boeing 757
    Tail Number N591UA (->N591UA was also still registered as valid after 9/11)
    45 aboard, including the official hijackers= not on Passenger list
    Flight 93 began as a scheduled service from EWR (Newark) to SFO on September 5th 2001, but the first Tuesday flight in 2001, was on 9-11; there was no Newark to SF flight before
    Official Route: Newark (New Jersey) to SF
    (Official) Flight Arrival Time: *****TBD*****
    Official Departure Time: 08:01 AM
    Official Final Departure Time: 08:42 AM
    BTS Flight Arrival Time: NOT POSSIBLE
    BTS Tail Number Wheels-on Time 1: 09/10/2001 0078 N591UA SFO 6:54 <----!!!
    but also already wheels-off again on 09/10/2001 0507 N591UA in BOSTON (!!) to ORD/Chicago 7:39 <---!!!! (BTS Tail Number Wheels-on Time 2: 09/10/2001 0642 N591UA ORD ---)
    and then also wheels-off in Newark as flight 0075 N591UA to SFO 19:40 PM EST
    New Tail Number Wheels-on Time (in Newark): N591UA NONE (but in SF: N591UA EWR/Newark 22:07)
    Timeline continues: wheels off, SF 09/10 as N591UA/flight 078 to EWR/Newark 23:15 PM
    No arrival time (of flight 078) in NEWARK after 09/10, 23:15 PM EST
    BTS Flight Wheels-off Time: 08:28 AM EST
    BTS Actual Departure Time: 8:01 AM EST
    BTS Scheduled Departure Time: 08:00 AM EST
    officially hijacked (over *****TBD*****) between 09:13, 9:16 (FAA informs NORAD) and 09.45
    officially crashed in PA between 10:00-10.10 AM EST
    Significances:
    09:30 AM transponder signal from Flight 93 ceases and radar contact is lost
    09:37 AM Jeremy Glick calls his wife Lyz
    09:39 AM Captain reportedly transmitted a "bomb on board"
    09:58 AM Operator Glenn Cramer gets phone call from passenger about "explosion and smoke"
    10:02:23 a hijacker said "Pull it down! Pull it down" After Jarrah had asked "Is that it? I mean, shall we put it down?" (Source: 9/11 Report)
    Washington ARTC Center related to Matthew L. Wald from the New York Times spotted "flight93" that "crossed their radar screen", approaching Washington from the West (not in airspace of Washington Center)-must have been "unknown fifth plane"
    10:03 AM airliner turned nearly 90 degrees to the northwest
    10:03 AM FBI and Cockpit Voice Recording claim 10:03 as Impact Time
    10:06 AM Seismic Records show 10:06:05 as Impact Time (Phil.Daily News, September 2002 by William Bunch)

    Before 11:43 AM, Flight 93 (as a Boeing 767) was reported as made an emergency landing at Cleveland Hopkins (Source: 9News/WCPO, Mayor Michael R. White)

    A central debris field and several smaller debris fields some distance away.
    One of the engines was allegedly found over half a mile away from the main field.
    5 Other debris fields were found 2, 3, and 8 miles away
    At one debris field, hole was five to six feet, but no plane
    One tape the NTSB played for the families of the 9/11 victims ends 3 minutes early (begins at 9:31 and runs for 31 minutes, ends at ~10:01 AM. CVR is on 30 minutes recording reel, no new tape available)

    NOTE: The estimated arrival times of f93 starting at 2:15pm
    then it changes SOUTH of Pitt, well after it was hijacked and a new flight plan was filed to 10:28.

    http://911review.org/inn.globalfreepress/lost_terror_dr...


    So if Flight 93 didn't go down in Shanksville, then where?
    You ready for this? Cleveland. At 11:43 on September 11th, WCPO, a local TV station in Cincinnati, Ohio, reported that two planes landed at Cleveland Hopkins Airport due to a bomb threat. United Airlines identified one of the planes as Flight 93.

    Are you confused? Well, it gets better. Check it out.
    At approximately 10 AM, Cleveland Hopkins Airport was evacuated, amidst rumors that a hijacked plane was going to land. That was flight 1989. Passengers had to leave, but couldn't drive. They had to walk or hitchhike. Buses weren't allowed to leave. People were sent home. According to Associated Press and local Ohio papers, one plane landed at approximately 10:45. But Delta Airlines confirmed that their plane, Delta 1989, landed in Cleveland at 10:10. Therefore, Flight 93 landed at Cleveland at approximately 10:45.

    http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/flight...

    It is being dismissed as an AP error by the Chronically Inaccurate Agency, however a plane did land and the the initial reporing has a more likelyhood of being true and a plane still lands and since no alternative plane has been identified, the story still stands. There is no indication that Flight 93 didn't landed at Cleveland Hopkins Airport and transfered their passengers to the NASA Glenn Research Center. There is clear evidence that Flight 93 didn't crash at Shankville though especially not on 10:03 unless they couldn't afford synchronised clocks. I mean the Mohammed Atta video and the Pentagon video had terribly inaccurate clocks as well.
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    DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:54 PM
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    53. 11, 175 and 77
    Edited on Tue Jul-18-06 07:57 PM by DrDebug


    At first glance they all appear to have a different path, however 11 and 175 cross at Stewart International.



    Flight 77 loses radar at Portsmouth Airport

    We know that Stewart International Airport shuts down and is evacuated. ( http://www.recordonline.com/adis/62/stories/timeline.ht... )

    There is of course the question whether the planes left Boston and at what time they left and whether they were scheduled, however there's enough confusion already.

    Stewart Internation Airport owned by National Express Group:

    Stewart Airport from the air. Stewart has one of the longest runways in the country, and is a back-up landing site for Nasa's space shuttle

    http://www.coldwarpeacemuseum.org/stewart.html


    Portsmouth Airport doesn't have a NASA connection, however that's Navy.


    With the onset of World War II, the airport was used by the US Navy. In 1951, the US Air Force chose Portsmouth Airport as the prime location to build an airbase.

    www.portsmouthchamber.org/Peasetradeport.cfm


    So 11, 175, 93 could have been NASA and 77 could have been U.S. Navy.
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    DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 04:06 PM
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    45. Cross match flight / cell/airplane phones
    http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/chart.html

    Note all the people who made a call before the alleged hijacking are not that relevant. It is whether those who did it afterwards played along the OCT.

    Flight 11
    Allegedly hijacked +/- 8:14

  • Betty Ong 8:19 1 airphone
    Thomas Kean: "We'll hear the entire four and a half minutes that was recorded on that call." Thus, though Ong talked for 23 minutes, we're told that only one- quarter of the call was recorded.
    http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/911-ong-tape.htm

  • Madeline Sweeney 8:25 2 airphone
    Flight attended
    It is said that the information given enabled investigators to link the day's hijackings to Al-Qaeda.

    Flight 175
    Allegedly hijacked +/- 8:42

  • Robert Fangman 8:52 1 ? *Wireless*
    Worked for Verizon Wireless before taking a job with United Airlines in 2001.

  • Peter Hanson 8:52 2 cell phone *Wireless*
    TimeTrade vice president of sales software company

  • Brian Sweeney 8:59 2 ? *Flight school*
    Navy officer on F-14 fighter jets; flight school instructor
    (Should have been listed in the other list as well)

    Flight 77
    Allegedly hijacked +/- 8:51

  • Renee May 9:12 1 cell phone
    Flight attendant

  • Barbara Olson 9:16 2 cell phone (collect)
    Long discussion are already available about Barbara Olson

    Flight 93
    Allegedly hijacked +/- 9:28

    Before:
  • Thomas Burnett 9:20 4 ? *inside trading* (ie. his collegue was doing inside trading)
    senior vice president and chief operating officer Thoratec Corp

    Unknown:
  • Joseph DeLuca ?
    Systems business consultant Pfizer Inc

  • Linda Gronlund ? 1 (See DeLuca)
    Environmental compliance BMW

  • Lauren Grandcolas ? 1 airphone
    sales worker Good Housekeeping magazine
    flew standby on United Flight 93

  • Honor Wainio ? 1 airphone / cell phone
    Md. district manager Discovery Channel stores

    After:
  • Todd Beamer 9:45 1 airphone *wireless*
    account manager Oracle Corp.
    Family cashed in on tragedy by repairing the Pentagon and releasing a book.

  • Mark Bingham 9:42 1 airphone / cell phone *wireless*
    Owner The Bingham Group
  • Sandy Bradshaw 9:30 1 cell phone (see Mark)

  • Marion Britton after 9:30 1 cell phone
    Assistant regional director U.S. Census Bureau

  • Edward Felt 9:58 1 *risk management* *cryptologist*
    Technology director BEA Systems
    Locked in the lavatory

  • Jeremy Glick before 9:30 1 airphone / cell phone *wireless*
    managing director Credit Suisse Boston
    Flight for the day before was cancelled

  • CeeCee Lyles 9:47 2 cell phone
    Flight attendant was former cop "Hello, Babe. I have something to tell you" (not the line you'd use for a hijacking)

    The list is more or less equal to the previously compiled listed of identifiable groups. Census bureau makes sense for inclusion on this list as well.

    I am leaning more towards that some survived, however I still have doubt about the size of the group that survived and whether it were all or just a subgroup, however a survival group included in Project Atlatnis is becoming a possiblity.
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    DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 10:32 PM
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    32. Kennedy Space Center was closed on 9/11

    PRESS RELEASE
    Date Released: Tuesday, September 11, 2001
    Source: Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex

    Due to operational requirements, Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex will be closed effective immediately. Guests will not be allowed on Kennedy Space Center property during this time. Further announcements will be made regarding reopening. We apologize for any inconvenience.

    During this time:
  • Visitors will not be permitted onto Visitor Complex grounds.
  • Non-essential employees are being sent home.
  • Employees that are scheduled to work today should remain home or in a safe location.
  • Employees may call the Crewmember Hotline 321-449-4222 for information regarding work schedules.

    For further information, please contact: Michelle Salyer, Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex, +1-321-449-4318, or Cell, +1-321-698-0287, or Pager, +1-321-609-2856.

    http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=5993
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    DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 10:51 PM
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    33. Jason-1 Launched on December 7, 2001

    The joint NASA/French Space Agency oceanography satellite Jason-1 has reached its operational orbit and begun six months of instrument calibrations with its sister spacecraft, TOPEX/Poseidon.

    Jason-1 is now approximately one minute (approximately 370 kilometers or 230 miles) ahead of the TOPEX/Poseidon satellite, on an identical ground track.

    "Jason-1 has begun observations of the same spot of the ocean surface as TOPEX/ Poseidon under nearly identical conditions," said Dr. Lee-Lueng Fu, Jason 1 project scientist at JPL. "These unprecedented observations will allow mission scientists to calibrate and validate the new measurements from Jason-1 with those of TOPEX/ Poseidon. The combined data records will enable us to study long-term changes in the ocean and their effects on climate."

    http://sealevel.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/jason-1.html


    And they've even made a quiz for kids. About the Jason-1 satelite

    Question 1. Jason-1 is named for:

    1. a famous astronaut.
    2. a hero of Greek mythology.
    3. the person who is paying for it.
    4. it's creator.

    Question 2. The Jason-1 satellite is equipped with some pretty
    sophisticated instruments. Which piece of the following equipment is not on Jason-1?

    1. a radiometer
    2. an altimeter
    3. a laser retroreflector array
    4. a scanning electron microscope

    Question 3. If the radiowaves sent out by the altimeter are gone for 0.03 seconds, how high is the altimeter?

    1. 4,500,000 meters
    2. 2,700,000 meters
    3. 9,500,000 meters
    4. 18,000,000 meters

    Question 4. What kind of images of Earth does the radiometer make?

    1. x-ray
    2. infrared
    3. solar
    4. Polaroid

    Question 5. Knowing the topography of the ocean helps people to do all of the following except?

    1. predict the weather
    2. fish more efficiently
    3. track sea bird migration
    4. find objects on the ocean floor

    Question 6. The heat in the top three meters of the ocean is equal to ?

    1. the heat stored in the whole atmosphere
    2. the heat stored in all the rest of the ocean
    3. the heat stored in the whole hydrospere
    4. the heat of one volcanic eruption

    http://oceanworld.tamu.edu/students/jason1/jason_quiz.h...


    Now I leave it up to you to find the correct answers...
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    DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 06:36 AM
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    37. Jason II / Medea

    Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution

    Jason/Medea is a remotely operated vehicle (ROV) system designed by the Institutions Deep Submergence Laboratory for scientific investigation of the deep ocean and seafloor. It is a two- body ROV system, with Medea serving in a tether management role that decouples Jason from surface motion.

    (...)

    In 2002, the Deep Submergence Laboratory introduced the Jason 2 vehicle as a replacement for the original Jason. All further comments on this website which refer to Jason are intended to indicate Jason 2; the name is often shortened for simplicity.

    Private funding for Jason, the Jason Virtual Control Van and SeaNet satellite communications system was generously provided by The W. M. Keck Foundation.

    http://www.whoi.edu/marops/vehicles/jason /



    THE SHIP: R/V Roger Revelle

    The Research Vessel Roger Revelle (named for an eminent scientist and former director of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography) was built for scientific exploration.

    This 274-foot ship, operated by Scripps, a graduate division of the University of California, San Diego, comes complete with technology, laboratory space and berths, so science team members can live and work aboard for weeks at a time.

    The Revelle is the sister vessel of the R/V Atlantis, which is also in Alaska waters (in the Gulf of Alaska) this summer. For more on the R/V Revelle, including the captain's daily report, see the Scripps site at http://shipsked.ucsd.edu/ships/revelle/index.html .

    JASON II/Medea

    Jason II/Medea is a remotely operated, unmanned submersible system that was made to explore the deep ocean and seafloor while still tethered, or connected to the ship by cable. Often called just Jason II for short, the ROV system can reach depths of 6,500 meters (more than 4 miles) and can log far longer work days then vehicles with people on board.

    Operated by technicians on the ship, the Jason II is highly maneuverable and can capture video and take samples from the ocean floor while controllers and researchers stay dry. This expedition is the farthest north exploration to date for Jason II, which was designed by the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution's Deep Submergence Laboratory.

    For more information on Jason II/Medea, see http://www.whoi.edu/marops/vehicles/jason/spec_jason.ht... .


    Sister ship is the Atlantis and this more in line with the research upto now:

    The Research Vessel Atlantis is operated by the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution for the American ocean research community. It is one of the most sophisticated research vessels afloat, equipped with precision navigation, bottom mapping, and satellite communications systems.

    Atlantis is designed as a general purpose vessel and specifically equipped to support the U.S. National Deep Submergence Facility, which includes the manned submersible Alvin, the remotely operated vehicle Jason, and the towed vehicles Argo II and DSL-120A.

    Atlantis (AGOR-25), delivered to WHOI early in 1997, is one of a new class of Navy research vessels designed and built by the Trinity Marine Groups Halter Marine, Inc., of Pascagoula, Mississippi. Two sister ships are R/V Thomas G. Thompson (AGOR-23) operated by the University of Washington and R/V Roger Revelle (AGOR-24) operated by the Scripps Institution of Oceanography. A fourth, nearly identical ship, R/V Ron Brown, is owned and operated by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

    Atlantis is the namesake of WHOIs first research vessel, a 142-foot, steel-hulled, ketch-rigged ship that sailed some 600,000 miles for ocean science from 1931 to 1966, and also the 210-foot Atlantis II, which served ocean science over a million-mile, 8,000-day-at-sea career that extended from 1963 to 1996.

    http://www.whoi.edu/marops/research_vessels/atlantis/in...


    Known Jason Project members working on Oceanography:
  • Henry D.I. Abarbanel
  • Frederick H. Fisher
  • Michael C. Gregg
  • Walter H. Munk
  • William A. Nierenberg (-2000), director of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography 1965 through 1986.
    Scripps Institution of Oceanography
  • Fred N. Spiess
  • John F. Vesecky

    http://home.planet.nl/~reijd050/organisations/Jason_Gro...

    Note: Jason Society does not have an official membership list.
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    DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 05:48 PM
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    46. Possible Jason III: Human Genome Project ; 2001 A Space Odessey
    Edited on Tue Jul-18-06 05:53 PM by DrDebug
    There is no Jason 3 for adults and that's a bit mysterious, because all masonic things come in three. (I admit I made a three part series as well and therefore this is a side project. I like three as well as the perfect number.) Their kids stuff is very effective at hiding their state of the art projects and it takes a lot of searching before you can finally find some more adult oriented material.

    Sage III was launched together with Jason-1 which was related to the Earths upper atmosphere. ( http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/ima... )

    Much more interesting is that the kid's Jason III is the Galapagos islands and upto now reading between the lines is enough (they probably made it easy enough so that even Bush could understand it). Galapagos is Charles Darwin is Human Evolution is Human Genome Project.

    Jason Project for Scientist has been working on the Human Genome Project:


    (January 2000)
    144. Jason Study on Data Mining and the Human Genome

    G. Joyce, H. Abarbanel, C. Callan, W. Dally, F. Dyson, T. Hwa, S. Koonin, H. Levine, O. Rothaus, R. Schwitters, C. Stubbs, and P. Weinberger

    Jason Program Office, McLean, VA

    The Jason organization conducted a DOE-sponsored study on bioinformatics and the human genome project. The study sought to explore the problems that must be faced in bioinformatics and to identify information technologies that could help to overcome these problems. While the current influx of data greatly exceeds what biologists have experienced in the past, other scientific disciplines and the commercial sector have been handling much larger datasets for many years. Powerful datamining techniques have been developed in other fields that, with appropriate modification, could be applied to the biological sciences. (...)

    http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/publ...


    As usual with their public releases they hardly say anything and tend to make some vague statements. One would assume that 50 of the absolute top scientists would brag about their finding, but it's clearly a secret group who just casually says that made some cute software to find some interesting data in the Human Genomes...

    A rough draft on the Human Genome Project was finished on June 26, 2000. In May 2006 the last chromosome was published.

    The rough outline was ready for about a year prior to 9/11 and given them plenty of time to play with it.

    As far as I can tell they are not busy with cloning (not that they would tell anybody), so I guess that Severino Antinori is the only serious doctor doing that and he is luckily not connected to Jason as far as I know (Quite frankly I consider one too much as far as cloning is concerned)

    Something completely different: Space Infrastructure 2020

    Another interesting project is Space Infrastructure for 2020, (September 2000) because that's where Project Atlantis will become really improtant. It makes sense to start underwater and then try outer space. They are talking about Mars.

    So is there a NASA project which is about Mars?

    Mission Success: The Magic of Mars Odyssey

    Named after 2001: A Space Odyssey, the movie that inspired a generation to believe in a future where travelers on their way to Jupiter could call loved ones from space hotels via live television links, NASA's 2001 Odyssey orbiter mission has actually brought that fantasy one step closer to reality -- via Mars.

    With goals to detect health hazards for future human space explorers, to discover what our neighboring planet is made of, and to find buried water ice in the shallow subsurface of Mars, the 2001 Mars Odyssey orbiter has achieved mission success.

    "As of August 24, 2004, the end date for its primary mission, Odyssey has officially fulfilled its science goals, and we look forward to refining our understanding of the red planet throughout an extended mission," said Dr. Jeff Plaut, Odyssey project scientist.

    http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/spotlight/odyssey-mission-succ...


    Hmmm. What if the Mars project was created before the movie, so it's the exact opposite as NASA tells you. First there was the plan and then they made the movie full of symbolism, because it was scheduled for 2001...

    BTW It was orbiting Mars on August 2001. Right on schedule...
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    DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 07:02 AM
    Response to Reply #46
    62. Plot Summary for 2001: A Space Odyssey
    Edited on Wed Jul-19-06 07:29 AM by DrDebug

    This movie is concerned with intelligence as the division between animal and human, then asks a question; what is the next division? Technology is treated as irrelevant to the quest - literally serving as mere vehicles for the human crew, and as a shell for the immature HAL entity. Story told as a montage of impressions, music and impressive and careful attention to subliminal detail. A very influential film and still a class act, even after 25 years.

    Summary written by Robin Kenny {robink at hparc0.aus.hp.com}

    The monoliths have been watching us. They gave us the "evolutionary kick in the pants" we needed to survive at the Dawn of Time. In 1999, we discovered a second monolith on the moon. Now, in the year 2001, the S.S. Discovery and its crew, Captains Dave Bowman and Frank Poole, and their onboard computer, HAL-9000, must discover what alien force is watching us...

    Summary written by Tones {tones120c at aol.com}

    When the world is ruled by apes, one particular group discovers a mysterious rectangular monolith near their home, which imparts upon them the knowledge of tool use, and enables them to evolve into men. In the year 2001, a similar monolith is discovered on the moon, and is determined to have come from an area near Jupiter. Astronaut David Bowman, along with four companions, sets off for Jupiter on a spaceship controlled by HAL 9000, a revolutionary computer system that is every bit mankind's equal, and perhaps his superior. When HAL endangers the crew's lives for the sake of the mission, Bowman will have to first overcome the computer, then travel to the birthplace of the monolith, where whatever alien intelligence controls them decides that humanity is ready to take the next evolutionary step...

    Summary written by rmlohner

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062622/plotsummary


    Once again - and this is what Bill Cooper later wrote after first being side tracked by the hoax - the alien stuff is one giant hoax played on the people and contain massive amounts of disinformation. The question isn't even about whether ETs exists, the problem is that for half a century a massive disinformation campaign has been launched against the people to install fear and to ridicule. Most of which has been carefully planned.

    The underwater sulfide vents are more like the real aliens in these stories, since they allow a whole new evolutionary group of animals to exists which do not depend on oxygen but on sulfide. Since these animals do not exist on terra (=earth) but in aqua (=water) they are a form of extra-terrestrials.

    Active hydrothermal vents are believed to exist on Jupiter's moon Europa (=featured in the 2001 movie), and ancient hydrothermal vents have been speculated to exist on Mars ( http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/missions/mars_soci... ). Regardless on whether there is life on those planets, there is a distinct possibility of introducing life on those planets and that is what the movie is all about.

    So the first part is establishing bases in the Atlantic and experimenting with what forms of life are capable of being transfered to Europa and Mars. Another part is creating the technology of building laboratories on Europa in 2020 near the hydrothermo vents and create a biosystem on that moon thus allowing a self sustaining colony. Mind you this is all highly speculative and is just SciFi...
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    DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 08:42 PM
    Response to Reply #25
    29. MajestyTwelve is the correct one.
    Edited on Mon Jul-17-06 08:49 PM by DrDebug

    Can't put up a link here, but I think you can find it.

    MILTON WILLIAM COOPER

    1943-November 6, 2001

    Rest in Peace my friend.

    You were a true patriot.

    You can't get more anti-Bush than Milton William Cooper, right?

    They didn't want him to research 9/11, because he would have solved it...

    P.S. Did you know that he was my teacher in research.
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    Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 08:31 AM
    Response to Reply #24
    41. Miranda, this is very interesting....
    I've been reading your posts for a while and you seem to be a very competent researcher. I'm just playing devil's advocate here. I live in the D.C. suburbs (Virginia), in a neighborhood where I have neighbors who work in Pentagon logistics, defense contracting, CIA, U.S. Marshall. That's just within a 10 house radius. What I'm saying is, it would be CONCEIVABLY coincidence that all of these people would end up on the same plane. It will be a tough sell without a very strong and common thread.

    On another note, did you ever hear the story that Howie Long, the FOX sports commentator and former Raider football player normally would have been on Flight 77. That was his regular weekly flight out from D.C. to L.A. He lives in Charlottesville Virginia with his wife who happens to be a Washington lobbyist. He claimed that we stayed home that morning because his kids were starting school or something like that. But because of her Washington connections she could certainly have been warned. Alternatively, Howie being very valuable to FOX, I imagine wasn't very expendable, so it could have been him that was warned.
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    mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 05:50 AM
    Response to Reply #41
    58. Yes, I know the flight was out of D.C
    Edited on Wed Jul-19-06 05:52 AM by mirandapriestly
    so it is , I suppose, possible, that every single person has some connection to military, even those that seem totally banal. I am not through looking at all of them. Then I am going to post. Like I was reading about one today, Dora M. Menchaca, she was a scientist working for Amgen, which is a biotech firm. She was working on a drug for prostate cancer, which I see they have now developed, it 's called Abarelix, and it blocks the secretion of testosterone. Sounds innocent enough until you look at her boss, Kevin Sharer:
    ...Sharer serves on the board of directors for 3M, UNOCAL and the U.S. Naval Academy Foundation. He has a bachelors degree in aeronautical engineering from the U.S. Naval Academy and a masters degree in aeronautical engineering from the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School..He served on two nuclear attack submarines following graduation from the U.S. Naval Academy. He also was VP for Northrop Grumman Corporation, the global defense company . Now, a biotech firm ceo with a military background? and can you imagine what a drug that stops the production of testosterone can do do a population? It would make them pretty easy to subdue...another; CIO Hassan Dayem came from the Los Alamos National Laboratory, a weapons lab. Considering the anthrax, etc.. I think this is substantial.
    Oh, her husband also said she had "made arrangements" to take an earlier flight. That caught my eye, she didn't change her flight but made arrangements, as though there were unusual circumstances.

    ..and they are many like this when you look under the surface. RaeMarie Sopper (spelling?), they said she was a gym teacher in California, but look more closely and you will find she is buried at Arlington Cemetery and was a Navy Lieutenant, a friend of hers quoted her as saying: "a new life, a new town, a new job" before she left. Doesn't that sound like she worked in intelligence or was escaping something?

    I think if we look at them all it will go beyond coincidence, because it's not just "the military", it's biotech or defense contractors or places that had contact with Global hawk technology like National Geographic.
    This isn't very well written, I'm in a hurry, sorry.

    Oh, I want to add that the plane was only half full, wasn't it? I wish I could see a passenger list from a weekday morning from DC to LA and see what a "normal" one looks like.


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    Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 08:24 AM
    Response to Reply #58
    63. Pretty spooky stuff.....
    too much about 9/11 beyond coincidence!
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    Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 11:39 AM
    Response to Reply #41
    65. Could have Would Have Should Have
    N/T
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    DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 10:41 AM
    Response to Reply #24
    43. Project Atlantis Speculation
    Edited on Tue Jul-18-06 10:51 AM by DrDebug

    This is an hypothesis on future science. Bear in mind that we are dealing with a group of scientists who are years beyond the normal realms of science and technology.

    The world has done many things however we haven't build a self sustaining city underwater yet and it might be very useful research for the future. The city can be self sustaining if it is near a hydrothermal vent. Such vents exist 2,500 kilometers east of Bermuda. The nice thing about them is that can theorically provide enough power for a whole city and it does not require oil. It is a natural power source.


    Is it possible to create a city like that. It probably is. One thing you need is an equivalent of the Mir where you have people inhabiting the city for a prelonged period of time to study the effects on humans. You need biomedical people, wireless people for the communication, it needs a satelite for the communication and lots of scientists.

    It can't be just scientist and it will be useful to have people of several age groups including children. Oh yeah, it needs to be top secret, maybe it is better to let some of the people of the flights "disappear" east of the Burmuda Triangle...

    Why are the French cooperating in this project? The answer is very simple: Jacques-Yves Cousteau. He is the father of Oceanography and his research led to this field so they are the experts.

    Once again this is just an idea about future science. I'm not saying that Project Atlantis exists ;)
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    mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 05:55 AM
    Response to Reply #43
    59. Oh, I understand
    Now that is some thing to think about, hmmm...the graphic is cool, it reminds me of that 20 Leagues under the Sea only a little more modern...
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    DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 06:02 AM
    Response to Reply #59
    61. I think that an underwater city is much realistic
    The Jason Group specializes in space technology and we are very far in satelites and missions and space stations, however I doubt whether we are on the space colonies level yet, so those discussions are more of a diversion while underwater colonies is more realistic. It also explains the interest of NOAA (sp?), NASA, Shell, Sun, Oracle because that's exactly the kind of technology which those corporations and agencies want to explore.
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    mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 12:02 PM
    Response to Reply #61
    79. a big ,"hmmmmm"
    also the environmental and biotech to a degree.
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    Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 11:43 AM
    Response to Reply #43
    66. WHAT?
    Wow. You are an expert at throwing irrelevant information and pretty underwater pictures into the mix.

    I am a 4th grader---How does a Satellite and Underwater city have ANYTHING to do with 9/11?

    One paragraph please answer my question above.
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    mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 12:25 PM
    Response to Reply #66
    70. Oh, you're a fourth grade grader...
    That explains it...
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    DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 01:30 PM
    Response to Reply #70
    71. They can't read. It says that it is a speculation about future science
    And there are serpetine links to the Jason group which indicate that Project Atlantis is one of their above top secret projects. These are the scientists who played with automated warfare in 1966, a time when most people didn't even consider that such a thing was possible.

    It's not like the Jason group tells anybody what it is they are doing. We don't even have a complete list of the members of that team.
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    Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 01:48 PM
    Response to Reply #71
    72. How does it relate?
    This the 9/11 discussion?

    What does this have to do with any 9/11 plot?

    This is not the place to speculate about "Future Science." This is where you posit your theories about what happened on 9/11.

    So what happened and how does an underwater city play into it?
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    Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 11:53 AM
    Response to Reply #2
    13. Hey miranda, would you happen to have a link
    to a picture of Olson's new wife? He did remarry shortly after 9/11 right?

    Thanks in advance.
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    mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 07:49 PM
    Response to Reply #13
    26. I've only heard rumors, but haven't seen proof
    Now that would be a red flag, unless...does this look like Babs could have had some bad plastic surgery?

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    Generarth Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:23 AM
    Response to Reply #26
    35. He's getting married in October
    Edited on Tue Jul-18-06 02:24 AM by Generarth
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    Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:08 AM
    Response to Reply #26
    38. Gawd, he's repulsive! Is that his real hair? I remember
    hearing he had remarried just a few months after 9/11, but have never been able to confirm it nor find a clear picture of the bride. This one looks kind of like a drag queen.

    Thanks for trying. :hi:
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    Generarth Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:54 AM
    Response to Reply #38
    40. Theodore Olson is getting married in October
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    Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 05:58 PM
    Response to Reply #40
    47. Thanks for the info and sorry to have irritated you. Jeesh. n/t
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    mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 06:10 PM
    Response to Reply #40
    48. Why didn't you
    just add it to this one, since we were already talking about it? I get one of those security warnings when I open that link for some reason. I came across a lot of pictures of him and women, not long after the "tragedy", so it doesn't look like he was mourning too much. He is extremely unattractive, so he must have a lot of money/power to attract women. The women are really quite beautiful. Obviously, he wasn't mourning. Who is the guy with the eyebrows? Is that him? It doesn't look like him unless he had work done.
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    Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 06:15 PM
    Response to Reply #48
    49. It definitely doesn't look like him at all
    I see no similarity.
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    Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 06:39 PM
    Response to Reply #48
    50. Pic of Olson
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    mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 01:58 PM
    Response to Reply #50
    73. It doesn't.
    who is that guy? or is it Olson in some sort of disguise? BTW, other than representing the Chimperor and his stolen election, Ted Olson represented the spy , Jonathan Pollard, who was operating out of the Pentagon. Some say that the Israel spy ring continued to operate even after they convicted him. A phone call was intercepted indicated this, and guess what? The investigation was cut off. Many of the neocon names come up in connection and I believe it was in the Navy operation part of the Pentagon which is the same as where was hit 9-11. Sorry, this is from memory, I might not be accurate about everything.
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    Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 03:15 PM
    Response to Reply #73
    74. That guy in the photo is definitely not Olson
    unless he suddenly decided to color his eyebrows and add implants to them. Also, the face is wrong.

    Interesting info about him. I must admit, though, in 2000, as I watched the Supreme Court hearings, I did think he was pretty knowledgeable, even though the premise he was operating under was a crock. And, he was amply rewarded by the * Admin.
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    BuddyYoung Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 04:30 PM
    Response to Reply #73
    75. The gentleman(?) is C. Boydon Gray nt
    nt
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    Generarth Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:59 PM
    Response to Reply #48
    54. Because it's not the first time I've commented on it
    So I thought it would be easier just to put it in a thread for easy reference.
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    mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 12:24 PM
    Response to Reply #54
    69. I'm sorry. Thank you, because I looked
    all over for that info and could not find it. I know what it's like to post stuff and no one "sees" it. Sorry, if I sounded rude, this forum makes me defense some times (offensive?) not knowing who is the enemy and who isn't.
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    mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 06:47 PM
    Response to Reply #38
    51. Hmmm, can't find anything about "Lady Booth" before 2001
    :tinfoilhat:

    A good cosmetic surgery job?


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    Generarth Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:50 PM
    Response to Reply #51
    52. Miranda, Miranda, Miranda
    Edited on Tue Jul-18-06 07:56 PM by Generarth
    Take your tinhat off, it doesn't become you.

    http://www.ajm.org/a/about/winners_thru_years/past_cont...

    Americas Junior Miss
    Kentucky
    '78 Lady Lyn Booth, Louisville

    Anyway I don't see plastic surgery being 'that good'.

    <edit for formatting>
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    Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 08:25 AM
    Response to Reply #52
    64. Whether she's part of a CT or not...
    if she was Jr. Miss in '78, girlfriend's had some work done.
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    Generarth Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 02:44 AM
    Response to Reply #64
    76. Maybe
    But there's no way you're ever going to get Barbara to look that good.

    It's a ridiculous idea that Barbara has had radical face surgery and is now remarrying Theodore as Lady Lyn Booth.
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    Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 10:07 PM
    Response to Reply #51
    55. I went a' googling and found nothing either.
    All I seem to find is the articles mentioning the engagement.

    I even tried society page news for local papers, nada.

    I may have missed something.

    Things that make you go hmm...
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    Generarth Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 12:11 AM
    Response to Reply #55
    57. That's because she emigrated from the Planet Zog on September 11th 2001
    Edited on Wed Jul-19-06 12:29 AM by Generarth
    :P

    Here's the address history of the woman's body she took over;

    1 Scott St. #1403 Chicago IL 60610
    1310 Cheroklee B #1 Louisville KY 40204
    3300 Buckeye Ln. Goshen KY 40026
    12006 Ridge Rd. Anchorage KY 40223
    1310 Cherokee Rd. #B1 Louisville KY 40204
    4192 PO Box Louisville KY 40204
    1400 Willow Ave. #1107 Louisville KY 40204
    5413 Pueblo Rd. Louisville KY 40207
    159 PO Box Minneapolis MN 55440
    232 Ph W #4A New York NY 10023
    135 70th St. #6K New York NY 10023
    303 60th St. #31E New York NY 10022
    466 River Bend Rd. Great Falls VA 22066 (that one's Ted's place)


    Also as above you should have been able to google this;

    http://www.ajm.org/a/about/winners_thru_years/past_cont...

    Americas Junior Miss Kentucky '78

    And she looks younger and is far better looking than Barbara was. :evilgrin:
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    Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 10:01 AM
    Response to Original message
    5. Contradict yourself much
    Most informed people know about the warnings (not to take commercial flights on 9/11) given to certain individuals such as then SF Mayor Willie Brown, certain high-ranking military officers etc..
    Given the role that Mr. Olson played in George Bush's efforts to become President, it's reasonable to think that he would have been one of those people that would have received such a warning, if warnings were indeed actually given.


    Were the warnings given or not?

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    BuddyYoung Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 10:39 AM
    Response to Reply #5
    7. SOME people said they were warned. Was Ted Olson one of them?
    Maybe you didn't "get it", but the main issue in the post concerns why SOME people received warnings and others didn't. There may also be an issue of whether those that SAID they were warned (SF Mayor Willie Brown e.g.) were being truthful.

    Do YOU think Ted Olson was warned? If so, did he tell his wife about it? Do YOU think Mr. Olson knew, but intentionally DIDN'T tell his wife? Maybe he was jealous about the affair she was allegedly having with Bill Clinton and so he kept quiet & didn't warn her not to take a commercial flight to Los Angeles which she had plans to do.
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    Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 10:51 AM
    Response to Reply #7
    9. Where does he say it?
    Where does Willie Brown say he was warned?

    A direct quote, not heresay.
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    Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 10:53 AM
    Response to Reply #9
    10. N/m Found it
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronic...

    Not quite as sinister as it is made out to be.
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    sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 11:43 AM
    Response to Original message
    77. do you
    have any proof to back up your claims that Ted Olsen was warned?

    do you have any proof it was an inside job? how many people and whom would have been involved for an inside job to occur? how do you think the towers collapsed?

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    Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 12:00 PM
    Response to Reply #77
    78. Hah I can answer that for you.
    Answer to #1: No
    Answer to #2: No
    Answer to #3: Nonsensical Non-Sequitur
    Answer to #4: It incvolves CGI, missles, and allot of circular reasoning (we are too simple minded for them to explain it to us)

    Good luck getting an answer. I suspect this will be the only response to your questions.

    Now we are trotting out underwater cities and sattelites as part of the conspiracy.

    Do you really think you are going to get an answer?
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    sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 12:14 PM
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    80. underwater cities
    that is a new one to me.
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    Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 01:13 PM
    Response to Reply #80
    81. Just look at the posts above and you will see.
    N/T
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    Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 08:33 AM
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    82. Told you
    All you hear are crickets from the tinhatters.
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    Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 04:01 PM
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    83. Of course not
    It's a speculation built on an assumption suggested by a fantasy.

    And yet within a week it will be stated as a fact.
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