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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 08:59 PM
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Should churches divest from corporations in Israeli occupied territories?
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 09:01 PM by El Supremo
I think so.

It is not a matter of whose religion is correct, it is a matter of promoting peace.

The Presbyterian Church (USA) began a process last year to scrutinize the churchs investments in selected U.S. corporations doing business in the Israeli Occupied Territories. Now that other U.S. denominations (and universities) are discussing similar proposals, the Presbyterian experience offers a useful model concerning its content, timing, ethical dimensions, and the opposition it has generated....
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:02 PM
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1. Ten years ago, yes. But Israel is working harder for peace than ever
What they're doing is akin to America sending in The National Guard to force Texans to give land back to Mexico.

They're literally forcing their own citizens at gunpoint to give land back to the Palestinians.

Ten years ago, I would have encouraged divestment.

Now is the time for the carrot, not the stick.

The Presbyterian Church should be divesting in America for what they're doing to Iraq.
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:05 PM
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2. Doing to Iraq?
The Christian population in Iraq is caught in this civil war as much as anybody. They are fleeing by droves.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:18 PM
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3. What does Xian or Non-Xian have to do with it?
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 09:18 PM by IanDB1

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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:26 PM
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4. Like any other organization...
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 11:36 PM by newyorican
they should do what they feel is the correct action. I only object these form of protest boycotts that target institutions of education.

The only exception to that would be schools like the School of the Americas and similar institutions.

On Edit: Correct action should be further defined as legal, correct action.
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:00 AM
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5. I have no objection if they do it within the Guidelines
of the Unitarian Universalist Association, viz.,


Toward Peace and Justice In The Middle East Unitarian Universalist Action of Immediate Witness

Because our Unitarian Universalist Principles call us to affirm the inherent worth and dignity of every person, justice and equity in human relations, and the goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all; and
Whereas Rev. William Sinkford, President of the Unitarian Universalist Association, has spoken out on the Middle East conflict in a pastoral letter of March 27, 2002, calling for "our congregations to educate themselves on issues and to engage in honest conversation";
Whereas in 1982 the Unitarian Universalist Association General Assembly adopted a General Resolution encourage and culture a comprehensive peace settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and calling on all parties to respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the others;
Whereas Unitarian Universalists have supported and affirmed the rule of law and the positive role of the United Nations in building a world community;
Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 emphasizes "the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace," and other United Nations resolutions have re-affirmed Israel as the "Occupying Power" bound by the Fourth Geneva Convention, "which is applicable to all the Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967";
Whereas the United States government is responsible for a significant portion of arms sales to this over-armed region, thus furthering its instability;
Whereas the Middle East situation has been deteriorating with increased violence on both sides and increased military oppression;
Whereas United States diplomacy has not led to peace or security for the region; and
Whereas the World Conference of Religions for Peace, an organization co-founded by the Unitarian Universalist Association, has responded to requests from the Prime Minister of Israel and the President of the Palestinian Authority by calling for a "religiously sanctioned cease-fire" and recognition of Israel and Palestine as states with secure, internationally recognized borders;
Therefore, be it resolved that the 2002 General Assembly of the Unitarian Universalist Association urges the following principles as a basis for action by the governments of the United States and Canada:
    -----Freedom from occupation and equal rights for all, including the right to exist in peace and security.
    -----Opposition to Israeli settlements, land confiscation, house demolitions, and other violations of international law.
    -----Opposition to all attacks on civilians, whether by suicide bombers, F-16 or helicopter gunships, or any other means.
    -----Support for a central United Nations role in efforts to achieve a comprehensive, just, and lasting peace.

Be it further resolved that the 2002 General Assembly calls on
    -----the Israeli government to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention and international law;
    -----Palestinians to immediately stop suicide bombings and all attacks on Israeli civilians;
    -----the United States government to

      1. "suspend all transfers of those types of weapons and munitions used to commit human rights violations until Israel is clearly in compliance with the terms for arms transfers as expressed in United States law and bilateral agreements," as Amnesty International has called for, and
      2. work within the United Nations for a just peace that includes two viable secure states, Israel and Palestine, based on the 1967 borders, with mutual relations based on sovereignty and equality; and
      3. our congregations to:

        become educated on Middle East issues and engage in honest conversation;
        redouble their efforts for peace based on the goal of justice and human rights for all;
        support actions of the anti-occupation Israeli peace activists, including Rabbis for Human Rights and the Israeli reserve officers who refuse to serve in the Occupied Territories;
        encourage Jewish Americans and others who support Israel but oppose its occupation of Palestine; and
        condemn and oppose expressions and acts of anti-Semitism and acts of terror against Jews, Palestinians, or Arabs and their legitimate institutions wherever they may occur.

anything less, is, as Martin Peretz said in Anglicans and Israel-Bad English, companion link: nglicans and Israel-Bad English in The New Republic Online, just plain bad faith - a violation of the Third Commandment, Taking My Lord's Name in Vain---

Which takes us back to the church deleriants for Palestine. What kindles the fire in their hearts for Palestine? There is little or nothing in Palestinian society that would fill a progressive with enthusiasm. And these churches do not generally exult in the promise of yet one more nation-state. In fact, these churches are against the nation-state, especially the U.S. nation-state. (In Nottingham last week, the Anglicans demanded the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq.) And, even if you take to the harshest reading of Israeli behavior in their ongoing conflict with the Palestinians, dozens and dozens of other peoples in the world, some of whom have a much sounder claim to be a real nation than those for whom the official Anglicans and Presbyterians shed so many tears, suffer infinitely more deprivation and indignity than they do. But tears are not shed for those people at Canterbury Cathedral in England or, for that matter, at Christ Church in Cambridge, Massachusetts, whose rectors have for years been virtual street agitators against Israel. So I come to an unavoidable conclusion. The obsession here is not positive, for one side, but rather negative, against the other side. The clerics and the lay leaders on this indefensible crusade are so fixated on Palestine because their obsession, which can be buttressed by various Christian sources and traditions, is really with the Jews. A close look at this morbid passion makes one realize that its roots include an ancient hostility for the House of Israel, an ugly survival of a hoary intolerance into some of the allegedly enlightened precincts of modern Christendom.

Good faith? Bad faith? They know.

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tucoramirez2005 Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 05:18 AM
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6. Probably; they are not sound investments.
As Americans discovered when Castro took power in Cuba, when the new owners nationalize industries, the investors were screwed.

The US didn't go to war with Cuba over those properties in 1960, and they sure as hell aren't going to fight Palestinians over the same issue.
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