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Jackie97 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 03:42 PM
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The False Holocaust - The Greatest Lies Funded By The Zionists.
Some people take up for the Hamas, claiming that they're just freedom fighters. They might claim that anti-semitism has nothing to do with it. Besides the fact that the Hamas accuses Jews of starting the first world war in their covenant, I want to show this recent article allegedly made in "Hamas weekly Al-Risala". I say allegedly because there is no website of theirs to look at.

Hamas Leader Rantisi: The False Holocaust - The Greatest of Lies Funded by the Zionists

Dr. 'Abd Al-'Aziz Al-Rantisi, a top Hamas activist in the Gaza Strip, wrote an article titled "Which is Worse Zionism or Nazism?" <1> for the Hamas weekly Al-Risala. The following are excerpts from the article:


The False Holocaust: The Greatest of Lies
"The Zionists, who excel at false propaganda and misleading media, have had phenomenal success in changing the facts. To do this, they relied on the rule of 'lie and lie until everyone believes you.' They have managed to present themselves to the world as the only victims of the Nazis, excelling at misleading until they turned the greatest of lies into historical truth. I do not mean that they have succeeded in misleading the West and making it believe in the false Holocaust, but that they succeeded in persuading the Western world of the need to market these lies. The West is convinced of this because its interests intersect with those of the Zionist enterprise.

"Many thinkers and historians have exposed the lies of the Zionists, thus becoming a target of Zionist persecution. Some have been assassinated, some arrested, and some are prevented from making a living. For example, Jewish associations and organizations have filed lawsuits against famous French philosopher Roger Garaudy, who in 1995 published his book 'The Founding Myths of Israeli Politics' in which he disproves the myth of the 'gas chambers,' saying, 'This idea is not technically possible. So far, no one has clarified how these false gas chambers worked, and what proof there is of their existence. Anyone with proof of their existence must show it.' British historian David Irving was also sued, while Austrian author Gerd Honsik was sentenced to 18 months' imprisonment because he wrote a number of articles denying the existence of the gas chambers in the Nazi detention camps." <2>


The Nazis Received Over $100 Million from the Zionists

"It is no longer a secret that the Zionists were behind the Nazis' murder of many Jews, and agreed to it, with the aim of intimidating them and forcing them to immigrate to Palestine. Every time they failed to persuade a group of Jews to immigrate , they unhesitatingly sentenced to death. Afterwards, they would organize great propaganda campaigns, to cash in on their blood.

"The Nazis received tremendous financial aid from the Zionist banks and monopolies, and this contributed to their rise to power. In 1929, the Nazis received $10 million from Mendelssohn and Company, the Zionist bank in Amsterdam. In 1931, they received $15 million, and after Hitler rose to power in 1933, they received $126 million.

"There is no doubt that this great financial aid helped the Nazis build the military and economic force it needed to destroy Europe and annihilate millions. Nahum Goldmann wrote these words in his autobiography.

"The German researcher Prof. Frederick Toben <3> believes there was no animosity between the Nazis and the Jews, whether politically, ideologically, or philosophically. He said, 'There is no historical scientific evidence proving such . On the contrary there is proof of collaboration between the Jews and the Nazis'"

Comparing Zionism and Nazism Insults the Nazis

"While the world has realized that the Zionists, with the support of the West, carried out the most abhorrent massacres against the helpless Palestinian people in order to expel them from their homeland; while the Palestinian people still lives out the tragedy and catastrophe of the Jews' occupation of Palestine in 1948, of the expulsion of our helpless people, and of their being prevented from returning to their cities and towns; and while the Zionists still use against our Palestinian people various methods of terror unknown in history, even in its darkest eras - the Zionists present themselves as victims of the Palestinian 'terror!'

"When we compare the Zionists to the Nazis, we insult the Nazis despite the abhorrent terror they carried out, which we cannot but condemn. The crimes perpetrated by the Nazis against humanity, with all their atrocities, are no more than a tiny particle compared to the Zionists' terror against the Palestinian people. While disagreement proliferates about the veracity of the Zionist charges regarding the Nazis' deeds, no one denies the abhorrent Zionist crimes, some of which camera lenses have managed to document.

"The entire world witnessed the assassination of the Palestinian boy Muhammad Al-Dura the cameras that immortalized this sight failed to immortalize similar sights, of some 1,000 Palestinian children murdered in cold blood by the Jews. The world has seen the Zionists pulverizing the bones of Palestinian boys with a stone as they shrieked in pain, to carry out the orders of Rabin and Sharon and there are thousands whose bones were pulverized, but the cameras ignored them

"One of the Zionist murderers expressed his feelings by saying, 'I enjoy hearing the cries of the Palestinian children groaning from under the heaps of the houses destroyed over their heads.'

"The Zionists have specialized in torturing the relatives of Shahids and prisoners. How often have they killed a boy before the eyes of his parents

"It is impossible to conduct a count of the crimes of Zionism in article. We have mentioned some of their crimes - which, had they been attributed to Nazism - would have greatly insulted the Nazis."


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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 03:44 PM
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1. How pathetic...
mnore disgusting conspiracy theories from Hamas.
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DCDemo Donating Member (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 04:33 PM
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7. Umm...not all of this is lies
Israel does engage in torture and Zionism, from it's beginnings, has certainly allowed untruths to be spread in order to support their goals.

I mean you don't think someone who is willing to kill or be killed to advance his cause would lie do you?

It's safe to say that Israel and the Palestinians both have their faults, their lies, their crimes against humanity, but from where I stand, Isreal is the big dog with advanced technology, well-armed military, and the support of the US in money and materiel. It is incumbent upon them to show restraint and be the better "man", take some hits and let things kool down.

Every time they assasinate a Palestinian leader (whether Hamas, Hezbollah, or others), within a week or two, there's another suicide bomber. You'd think with all their know-how, they'd be able to detect a pattern.

I truly believe that this can be worked out to the benefit of all parties, but I also support the little man in his efforts to throw off the yoke of the oppressor, and in this case, that is clearly the Palestinians fighting for the right of self-determination. Right now, Israel is keeping the Palestinianis as a permanent underclass.

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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 04:35 PM
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8. And?
The POINT of it is a lie. Almost all the facts are lies. it is a lie-filled piece of junk.
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 03:50 PM
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2. question

where did you get this article?

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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 04:10 PM
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6. Hamas Charter
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Jackie97 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:39 PM
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17. From a one-sided source.....
but I think that they often do a good job of getting their information.

http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD55803

What they do is gather stuff from the Arab media. After reading in the Hamas covenant that the Jews started WWI, I have no doubt in my mind that Hamas really said this in that paper.
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 03:55 PM
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3. How anyone can read this shit and believe it boggles my mind
one quote in particular is just comical:

"The German researcher Prof. Frederick Toben <3> believes there was no animosity between the Nazis and the Jews, whether politically, ideologically, or philosophically. He said, 'There is no historical scientific evidence proving such."

Ummmmm...read Mein Kampf, the ideological centerpiece of nazism and be disgusted but the torrent of filth thrown at Jews. Absolutely disgusting. I think Israeli policy towards the palestinians is abhorrent and I will never support, but if groups like Hamas think that the best way to respond is to kill civilians and to print trash like this they are hurting their cause a lot more than promoting it.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 03:56 PM
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4. Agreed...
disgusting junk.
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Jackie97 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:43 PM
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18. How can they believe this stuff?
I could be wrong, but I keep thinking that a lot of the Arab world, particularly Palestinians are not getting an accurate education, especially in the subject of History.
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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:09 PM
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19. This
is what's being taught in Palestinian schools.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 03:58 PM
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5. Sad - notes David Irving sued sucessfully & Honsik was sentenced
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 03:58 PM by papau
but somehow the idea that a jury found them to be liars means they told the truth but Israel has convinced any 12 random people you pick for a jury of "Israeli lies" , so the West does not act the way Hamas wants it to - and the West does not deny the Holocaust because the West is just not as informed as Hamas.

Mentally ill folks do not get respect. pity - but not respect
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library_max Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:17 PM
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9. Not to defend the article or its author,
but desperate people have been known to say and believe all sorts of outrageous nonsense about their oppressors. Perhaps if you or I had grown up in Gaza, we would think that this article made perfect sense.

By the way, I looked on the site given in #6 and I can't find this article anywhere.
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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:11 PM
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20. I am sorry it didn't go through
often I can't get a link to come either. I did a search for the Hamas charter and there it was. Good luck.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:41 PM
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10. Could we get a link for this?
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:31 PM
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11. This sounds familiar...
I ran across an essay/article by Benjamin Freedman.

http://www.rense.com/general34/amaz.htm



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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:32 PM
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12. Wasn't that also on David Duke's web site?
Anti-semitic junk, that's what that is.
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:45 PM
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13. Could have been.
I don't visit David Dukes website. I don't even visit Rense. This popped up during some search that I don't even remember. I have never heard of Benjamin Freedman before. It seemed to echo some of the same themes in the original post and that's what reminded me.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:53 PM
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14. I do visit David Duke's website...
whenever I feel like getting angry. For the same reason, I visit Stormfront and FreeRepublic at times. All three websites sometimes make me want to :puke:.
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:09 PM
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16. Blah!
Don't give them the traffic, it equals revenue.
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StandWatie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:53 PM
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15. he's an honest to god Jewish anti-semite
They do exist.

Dan Burros was a part of George Lincoln Rockwell's American Nazi party for another example..
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:36 PM
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21. what's the point of this?
why are we wasting bandwidth arguing over a screed of questionable authenticity --- which at worst shows that the author (whoever he is) had a warped understanding of history --- when real, fully documented, flesh-and-blood-and-bone atrocities are constantly being committed against the oppressed Palestinian people?

it seems to me that this is a recurrent tactic used by apologists for Israel: ``Just look at what they said about us! See how they HATE us!'' as if that could possibly justify the assassinations, the bulldozings, the checkpoints, the provocations, the theft of land and water, the razing of olive groves, the shooting of unarmed children.

even if some misguided Hamas propagandist really did write that piece (which hasn't been proven), it's still only words. no matter how false those words may be, they are nothing compared to the evil DEEDS that are being committed against the Palestinians every day. let's keep the focus where it should be.



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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:14 PM
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22. Locking
From the I/P Guidelines.

A note on sources:


* Please use discretion when referencing obviously biased or factually questionable material. Vanity websites are generally not as credible as the New York Times, the Washington Post or the UK Guardian.


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