A Racist On the Rise

[drdon326]

But in recent months a new leader has given the movement a burst of momentum. Billy Roper, a 32-year-old former schoolteacher from Arkansas, has spent months quietly reaching out to disenfranchised racists and neo-Nazis across the country, uniting them under his new group, White Revolution. "Billy Roper is clearly a rising star among hard-core racists," says Mark Pitcavage of the Anti-Defamation League.

Soft-spoken and polite to a fault, Roper looks and sounds less like a white supremacist than an avuncular union organizer. In a phone interview he apologizes that allergies have left him with a stuffy nose, and calmly explains how he hopes to end the factional squabbling and focus on their main goal: fighting the influence of Jews, African-Americans and other minorities. "Let's be honest, the Jews have a disproportionate impact in our society," Roper says. "All we're saying is, white people have to fight for their rights, too."

Klan and skinhead activity—marches, rallies, cross burnings—rose significantly last year, according to a new report by the Southern Poverty Law Center. And more headlines are on the way. Duke is busy planning a homecoming party and a national speaking tour—and he's eying an open Louisiana congressional seat.

Roper's next big act will be in Topeka, Kans., where he is planning a major demonstration at this month's 50th anniversary of the Brown v. Board of Education court decision. "We'll make our voice heard," he says. The question is, which voice will he use—the softer tone he uses in public, or the harder line he takes privately with supporters? The day after the 9/11 attacks, Roper posted a statement on the Web that read, in part: "Anyone who is willing to drive a plane into a building to kill Jews is alright by me... The enemy of our enemy is, for now at least, our friend." The war on terror may have distracted extremists for a time, but it would appear that hatred's familiar habits are back in force again.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4880432/
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"Anyone who is willing to drive a plane into a building to kill Jews is alright by me... The enemy of our enemy is, for now at least, our friend."

hmmmm....friendly sort....

Its always good to see people with common interests coming together
for a united purpose.

[Vladimir]

1. Apart from the fact that

9/11 was about attacking the "Great Satan" America, and not Israel; unless the two are now synonymous, which I don't think even Hamas advocates.

[drdon326]

3. Vladimir

this ones for you...

http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/000335.html

[Vladimir]

4. LOL

I just can't get over the fact how scum like Roper do Bush's and Sharon's propaganda for them... especially hilarious given the fact that Hamas said in the wake of the Yassin assasination that they would not be going after American targets.

[bemildred]

2. The usual incoherent drivel.

It would be interesting to know where this weasel
gets his money.

[Name removed]

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[JohnLocke]

6. Been Reading Protocols of the Elders of Zion again?

I see anti-Semetism here is alive and well...:eyes:

[Darranar]

7. No, StormFront...

http://stormfront.org/jewish/talmud.html

Google can come in handy...

[JohnLocke]

9. Thanks.

Didn't want to wade into the skinhead cesspool. Apparently our friend has an affinity with the most vile of Americans.

[Name removed]

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[durutti]

10. And this is I/P news...

How?

[Lithos]

11. Articles like that usually are posted here

Because the author feels that it will devolve into I/P issues. Such has been the fate of numerous articles relating to Anti-Semitism here on DU.

My guess is this is applicable here.

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[bigbillhaywood]

12. Disagree, this should be in the Civil Rights/Race forum. If some morons

want to turn a post about neo-Nazis into an I/P debate, then just lock the thread or delete the posts. The I/P forums own rules state that Jewish should not be used as a synonym for Israeli. It is just as inappropriate to post an article about anti-Semetic neo-Nazis in I/P, as it would be to post an article about an anti-Arab hate group here. It shouldn't be in this forum just because some childish extremists can't help but turn it into an I/P issue, when it is clearly not. This post should be removed to Civil Rights/Race forum.

[Classical_Liberal]

13. Hope you hit alert like I did.

.

[bigbillhaywood]

14. I did, but it's still here. n/t

[Blayde Starrfyre]

15. Excellent post

This is essentially subliminal messaging. The point is clearly "There are anti-Semites out there, so let Israel do whatever Sharon wants." This is like saying "There are Jews in America who hate Arabs, so let's fund the Palestinians to attack Israel."

[Violet_Crumble]

17. Then why was this one just moved?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x69047

[Lithos]

18. Because of the comments here

I wanted to see if it would or could remain I/P free.

L-

[Violet_Crumble]

19. I see a problem here...

Interesting experiment, but leaving as unrelated to the I/P forum as the one I just linked to in the forum greatly raises the likelihood that before too long someone who has the simpleminded view that the I/P conflict is about nothing but anti-Semitism would appear and tie bigotry in the US to the I/P conflict. As these folk don't tend to hang out in the Civil Liberties forum, it would have remained I/P free if it'd been moved there. As it is, the vast majority of posts in this thread seem to be pointing out that the article had nothing to do with the I/P conflict....

So, does that mean that we can all post articles about anti-Semitism and anti-Arab/Moslem sentiment happening in the US here and they won't get moved because after all they might turn into I/P discussions? Does that mean I could have posted the To Bush, The Arab Is Always The Villain article in here instead of the FA forum? I've always assumed that the I/P forum was the place for articles about the I/P conflict and articles about other stuff goes elsewhere. If it's not, then I don't really see the purpose in having a separate forum, and to be honest I come here to read about the I/P conflict and if the forum becomes a place for other stuff posted by folk who never venture outside of this forum and have a mindset that anti-Semitism is the only reason for the I/P conflict, then I think I'd be inclined to spend less time in here than I have been up till now, that's all...

Violet...

[Lithos]

20. Let's try

I will grant you there is some leeway in how things work because the issue is fairly complex.

First, The I/P situation has a significant amount of underlying bigotry, specifically Anti-Semitism, Anti-Islam and Anti-Arab with even good arguments being made for Anti-Occidentalism and Anti-Orientalism. To remove discussion of these issues inside the I/P forum is counter-productive to any attempt at rational debate and discourse.

For many threads dealing with these topics, the I/P issue does raise it's head. It's unfortunate, but people do have a myopia about these issues which causes them to think only in I/P vocabulary. As such I am loathe to move them only to see them move back within a short period of time. Alternatively, as you stated, threads which move away from here are ignored and do not engender any debate. Such was the fate of the thread I moved.

As for your thread, _To Bush, The Arab Is Always The Villain_, it probably was best in FA, though it definitely could have been placed in the I/P forum because of the applicability to the I/P situation. If it had moved to discussing I/P more specifically, I would have moved it here.

So, the short answer is this:

If it is an article discussing any of the "Anti's" I mentioned above is posted in I/P, I will generally keep it here. It can be placed outside of the I/P forum in either GD, Civil Rights, or Foreign Affairs PROVIDED it does not contain, or later develop into, an I/P discussion in which case it will be moved here per DU guidelines. Any attempt to bypass the rules and attempt do discuss I/P outside of this forum is and has always been viewed with prejudice.

The only exception has been LBN PROVIDED the news is truly Late Breaking (less than 12 hours old). Even then, these stories are LIKELY to be moved to I/P once they reach 12 hours in age. We also assist the LBN mods while these stories are breaking to make sure no one goes overboard in their commentary.

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[bigbillhaywood]

21. By the same token, then could we post I/P issues in Civil Rights forum?

If the reason for allowing such posts in I/P is that racism and bigotry is an everpresent factor in I/P discussions-- then why not apply this logic in the reverse. For Israeli supporters, many see the struggle of the State of Israel as the struggle of global Jewry against global anti-Semitism. Similarly, Palestinian supporters see the struggle of the Palestinians to be representative of third-world peoples against racist American imperialism. So, then, if neo-Nazi articles can be placed in I/P, why not I/P articles in Civil Rights?

Of course, maybe I'm unfamiliar with DU policy. Can I/P threads go in Civil Rights. If so, please correct me.

[Lithos]

22. No, they may not

I/P issues have proven extra-ordinarily inflammatory and therefore were given their own forum where special rules concerning civility and acceptable language were imposed.

[newyorican]

16. mote meet beam...

Poll: most Israeli Jews back proposed 'Jews-only' land law