PA arrests, then releases would-be suicide bomber

[Gimel]

Palestinian security forces said on Monday they had detained and later released to her family an 18-year-old woman planning a suicide bombing in Israel.

The arrest was made east of Gaza City, near an area used by Palestinians to sneak into Israel. It was the first such arrest by Palestinian forces since Israel withdrew its troops from much of Gaza last week and placed responsibility for halting attacks against
Israel launched from that area on the Palestinian Authority.

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/315196.html

[Muddleoftheroad]

1. Laughable

The PA definition of security is NONE. If I were Sharon, I'd entertain that young lady with a nice targeted visit.

[veganwitch]

2. I like to remind you that technically she hasn't DONE anything yet

aside from filming a video and getting fitted for a vest. Granted they should have kept her a little bit longer, but perhaps releasing her to her family who now knows that she was planning on 'martyring' herself is what she needs. I imagine her family could probably convince her there are other ways than suicide/murder. Preemptive murder is somewhat overboard I'd say.

[Muddleoftheroad]

3. Pre-emptive

How many suicide bombers does it take before you know the drill? She did everything she needs to do for the prep work. All that's left now is the actual bombing. Only a fool waits to be attacked like that.

[veganwitch]

5. as long as she hasn't pressed the button there's still time for her to cha

edit: title should end with 'change her mind'

I'm not saying steps shouldn't be taken, the PA should have held her longer and they should definitely keep her under surveillance, but killing her when she hasn't killed anyone yet is wrong.

[Herschel]

4. Ridiculous

They should have kept her a little bit longer?? This woman was planning to murder! Do you condone her being released?

[veganwitch]

6. Not as soon as she was

but eventually yes. She is evidently a very disturbed girl and needs interdiction to show her that there are other ways than 'martyrdom', I imagine her family who are now aware of her designs could help to convince her otherwise. But killing her (as suggested by Muddle) when she has yet to kill anyone is completely wrong. You can't kill people because you think they will do something wrong in the future, no matter how sure you are. You never know, she could get to her target and decide at the last minute she didn't want to blow herself up.

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[plurality]

9. whose being callous here?

A girl get's a second chance to not make the worst decision she ever made and you say kill her anyway, how progressive. Of course what else could I expect from someone who's usually limited to such brilliant insights as 'ain't nothin' but shit'. No she shouldn't be let out immediately, and she should definitely be watched to ensure she doesn't reattempt her mission, but the death penalty for planning on commiting a crime? I'd expect such arguments on Free Republic, but they have no place here, of course I forget this is a progressive forum until you step foot in here, then all bets are off.

[Muddleoftheroad]

33. Absolutely

She was plotting a terrorist act. There is no reason to believe she has changed her mind. The wonderful PA has released her almost instantly. If she kills now, they should be held responsible.

Sorry, I am a pragmatist. The death penalty works quite well for some situations. This is one of those.

[plurality]

34. the death penalty is usually reserved for...

people who ACTUALLY KILL PEOPLE! Shit, I've written in my journal that I wanted to kill someone once. I didn't do it, should I get the death penalty for THINKING about killing someone now?!?

[Muddleoftheroad]

35. You weren't in full swing

Plus, the bogus authorities in your jurisdiction didn't arrest you and then instantly release you because they see nothing wrong with your plans.

[plurality]

36. what if I had gone somewhere with a gun

and then someone saw me one the way and asked me what I was doing. I then told them I was going to kill someone, then ran away. Would it then be alright to give me the death penalty even though I still hadn't actually killed anyone.

[Muddleoftheroad]

37. Death Penalty/No Penalty

The problem is the governing authority here -- the PA -- refuses to enforce the law. For the IDF to move in and do so puts them at risk. Targeted killings are safer in that way.

[Gimel]

10. victim bombers

Yes, I often think of the young bombers as victims themselves in this viscous form of warfare. They are surely brainwashed. But what is there to now prevent her handlers from setting up another attempt? Those who have trained her for the act of sacrifice are also committing crimes against humanity. So even though her family may not be encouraging this martyrdom, they cannot prevent her form continuing with her intention. I think there is also a criminal offence, such as conspiracy to commit murder, that would apply here.

Look at today's news in the US. The teens in NJ, or Penn, were conspiring to kill certain individuals and then commit random killings. Look at their treatment now. Are they just going home to mom and dad? Of course not. They've been charged with serious crimes which will end them up in jail for sure.

[veganwitch]

12. I never said immediate release was right

She definitely should have been held longer. How long, I can't say. But since she's been released, and that is the current reality, hopefully her family who was previously in the dark could help to convince her to not go through with her plans. You forget that this girl is 18, not far removed from childhood, I imagine her family could do much to get her to forgoe such things, of course I could be wrong. My main problem though was with the idea that this girl should be killed. That thought is abhorrent to me. Jailed, psychotherapy, yes; death, no.

[Gimel]

15. Yes, I agree

I agree with that, and the entire psyche of the Palestinian people needs to be turned around, to accept peace with Israel.

[Gimel]

45. Hasty statement

You forget that this girl is 18, not far removed from childhood

I have not forgotten that, and have indicated that she, like all the young suicide bombers, has been given a thorough indoctrination by the terror groups that set up the actions on this. However, in the law, an 18 year old is an adult. She has to be held responsible for her actions. She is not a 5 year old.

I think Muddle was speaking figuratively. Words are not actions either. She should be held responsible for her actions.

[Violet_Crumble]

46. Making up stories?

I have not forgotten that, and have indicated that she, like all the young suicide bombers, has been given a thorough indoctrination by the terror groups that set up the actions on this.

Where are you coming up with this stuff? The articles I've read said NOTHING about her being trained by anyone, and there's no indications that she was involved in any groups!

[Gimel]

49. I'll concede

She had no handlers, and in fact, most likely, this is a story made up to impress the Israelis on how well they were co-operating. It is just a destraction.

Palestinian media reports of the arrest came a day after Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz called on the PA to combat terror and destroy the terrorist infrastructure, following his meeting with PA Security Minister Muhammad Dahlan.

Mofaz also mentioned the arrests by PA security forces of the perpetrators of rocket and mortar attacks, noting that shortly after they were taken into custody they were released and describing the Palestinian actions as serious.

Security officials on Monday expressed doubts about the reports of the woman's capture. They said they wouldn't be surprised if this were an attempt by the PA to generate headlines due to Mofaz's statements the previous day, when he stressed that further progress in the road map would be dependent on the actions of the PA security forces to quell terrorism.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1057546654431

[Violet_Crumble]

50. Are you being sarcastic?

I'm really not sure....

Violet...

[Gimel]

52. Due to new information

the story has been cast into doubt. Although, according to the JPost article, the PA said that an explosives belt was found, the whole incident has been cast into doubt. I admit, I did think it suspicous from the beginning.

[Violet_Crumble]

31. She had handlers??

But what is there to now prevent her handlers from setting up another attempt?

Both articles I read mentioned nothing about handlers and only said that they were investigating to see if there were connections to groups like Hamas or Islamic Jihad. Have you read something more up-to-date, or just making assumptions?

I don't know what cases yr talking about in the US, but my bet is those kids did a fair bit more than write a note. Also, unlike the Palestinian security forces, those of the US aren't working in a place where the infrastructure has been destroyed and where many police stations have had the crap bombed out of them. Even here, where things are very similar to the US, I know personally of someone who emailed a threat to someone in another organisation. He wasn't arrested or even taken out in a 'targetted killing'. It was obvious to all and sundry that he was disturbed and the police did arrive, but only to make sure he could be assessed by the mental health team...

Violet...

[Gimel]

48. Not making up

Anyone familiar with the process of the training for suicide attacks would realize that the so-called suicide bomber does not act alone. In fact he/she goes through months of preparation. If this person, no name is given, was in fact preparing to carry out an attack (as the PA claimed)

PA arrests, releases would-be suicide bomber
Palestinian security forces said on Monday they
had detained and later released to her family
an 18-year-old woman planning a suicide bombing
in Israel.

The arrest was made east of Gaza City, near an
area used by Palestinians to sneak into Israel.
It was the first such arrest by Palestinian
forces since Israel withdrew its troops from
much of Gaza last week and placed
responsibility for halting attacks against
Israel launched from that area on the
Palestinian Authority.

Now, you ask, how do I know that she had handlers? Well, true, it doesn't say that specifically in the article. I have made the assumption that she was, as the PA claimed, "planning a suicide bombing in Israel." Although it hadn't occurred to me, it could be that the PA was simply claiming credit for something because they wanted to look good to all observers.

Now they can say "see, we really are co-operating and tracking down terrorists before they attack."

It is a well known fact that Palestinians are unarmed. So how can they claim to have aprehended a would-be bomber, implying that she cairried explosives and an explosive belt as she was arrested.

Note that: "The arrest was made east of Gaza City, near an area used by Palestinians to sneak into Israel." According to the article. This implies that the would-be bomber was just about ready to enter Israel proper (as opposed to the OT).

Now someone must have donated the explosives belt. Someone must have helped the child get in the right place for "sneaking into Israel". Maybe she just knew all this on her own, however. I'll admit, it is a bit of an assumption.

I've found an article in the JPost.com, about the PA claim:
Security officials on Monday expressed doubts about the reports of the woman's capture. They said they wouldn't be surprised if this were an attempt by the PA to generate headlines due to Mofaz's statements the previous day, when he stressed that further progress in the road map would be dependent on the actions of the PA security forces to quell terrorism.

Palestinian reports claimed that the girl's parents notified officials after they discovered a note she left claiming she was en route to perpetrate a suicide bombing. PA security forces allegedly caught her near the Karni crossing with a belt of explosives. Hours later, she was sent home.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1057546654431

Thank you, Violet. You can never be too sure about these claims by the PA.

[Violet_Crumble]

51. It was made up...

I don't know about yr part of the world, but in mine it doesn't take handlers or any training to write a note, which is all this girl had done. Anything else, especially allegations coming from a right-wing newspaper that has been guilty in the past of misquoting people, isn't fact. Anything about that yr not understanding?

I find it strange that you take the word of anything in JPost as fact, even when the word 'allegedly' appears, yet when an Israeli troop was charged with forcing a Palestinian woman to drink cleaning fluid, you came up with lame alternate scenarios involving the woman drinking the fluid of her own free-will so as to make the poor troop look bad....


Violet...

[Gimel]

53. Off-topic

Your reference to another discussion is off-topic. As the relevant material is not on this thread, do not try to quote me.

< b>PA arrests, then frees female would-be suicide bomber

This is the JPost title. Do you see the word "allegedly" there?

The allegation is the report of the PA. The JPost article, first paragraph:

Palestinian Authority security officials, who claimed on Sunday they had arrested an 18-year-old would-be female suicide bomber near the Karni crossing in the Gaza Strip, apparently released her into her parents' custody early Monday morning.
<snip>

This is consistent with the Ha'aretz story on the same allegation by the PA.

From the Post:

Palestinian reports claimed that the girl's parents notified officials after they discovered a note she left claiming she was en route to perpetrate a suicide bombing. PA security forces allegedly caught her near the Karni crossing with a belt of explosives. Hours later, she was sent home.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1057546654431

It is Israeli security officials who doubt the story. I doubt it also.

Security officials on Monday expressed doubts about the reports of the woman's capture. They said they wouldn't be surprised if this were an attempt by the PA to generate headlines due to Mofaz's statements the previous day, when he stressed that further progress in the road map would be dependent on the actions of the PA security forces to quell terrorism.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1057546654431

What is your problem about "allegations"?

Edit: to add aditional quotations

[Violet_Crumble]

55. So what?

That doesn't stop you, besides me mentioning something you've said in another thread that is very relevant to the discussion isn't off-topic. But thanks for trying to order me around! ;)

The word 'allegedly' WAS in the JPost article. Go and reread it...

What's my problem with the word allegedly being used in media reports? It's commonly used when there's some doubt about the factuality of what's being said. The word 'allegedly' gets them off the hook because if it's later found to be false, they can get off the hook by saying it was only alleged...

Ha'aretz did NOT in any way say or imply that she was caught with a suicide belt...

Violet...

[GabysPoppy]

11. Interdiction by her parents?

I can't agree with killing her but your suggestion seems equally absurd. This is a mentally deranged girl if she truly was committed to killing herself and as many other people as possible.
A nice stay at a mental hospital examined by some experts to determine if she is really dangerous to herself and others is more in order. Expecting her parents to accomplish anything is like hoping to cure cancer with an aspirin.

The worst part of this scenario is the PA's decision to release her back into society. This is not a good sign of their methods for controlling terror.

edit: spelling

[veganwitch]

13. you are right about the PA releasing her

Nowhere did I say that was the right thing to do.

As far as her family goes, this is a suicidal person, and the one of the main factors that helps people successfully commit suicide?(granted this person planned on taking out others with her) The reason most people go through with suicide attempts is because no one knows they're suicidal. Usually afterwards friends and family say, 'I never knew he/she felt that way.' But when friends/family become aware of such thoughts in a person, they are usually able to prevent that person from making subsequent attempts.

[Gimel]

14. Politically motivated

Suicide that is pointless, or motivated by a sense of personal failure, or whatever emotional reason, is quite different from politically motivated suicide where the person's family can benifit financially and socially from the sacrifice of the child.

[veganwitch]

16. most suicides are a result of...

a sense of despair and hopelessness, and being alone and worthless. While on the surface regular suicide and suicide bombing may appear miles apart but dif a little deeper and there are many similarities. One motivation for traditional suicides is revenge. They feel neglected by the world and ignored, so they say, "I'll show them, wait till I'm gone and then they'll miss me, then they'll recognize too late how great I was." It's an attempt to strike at the people they love they feel ignore them and cause them to feel worthless. With suicide bombing I'd say the bomber feels their life is worthless and their future is hopeless so they strike back at the people they feel or are told are responsible for that, Israelis.

As far as the benefit of families of suicide bombers, while much is made over rewards to suicide bombers I doubt they have much to do with the number of suicide bombers. I also doubt many of them are actually given out. How do they get the money to these people? Plus I doubt a check would ease the pain of the family who has lost a loved-one (in some instances not the first) and also will soon lose their house.

[Herschel]

17. The larger story here

Is the PA's continued unwillingness to deal with Palestinian criminals. Their people will have no state, no hope, until they have a government sincere about stopping terror against Israel!

[plurality]

18. I'd be curious to see a report...

about the current state of Palestinian police facilites. I recall most police stations were destroy by Israeli strikes over the last few months. Maybe they released her because they have nowhere to hold her? Seeing how they arrested her in the first place, I doubt they released her because they don't care whether she goes through with it or not. And on that matter, I doubt she could be successful if she tried again anyway. Everyone knows who she is now and will be watching her. She might even end up being killed by whoever sent her on her mission to keep her from 'compromising' them.

[Herschel]

19. Rationalize all you like

A killer was apprehended and released by the PA. Bombed out police stations or speculation on this criminal's ability to kill in the future are irrelevant. If you claim to be concerned with the plight of Palestinians, you should object to this, not excuse it.

[plurality]

20. you can disagree with an action

and still try and find out why it happened. If all that happens when someone does something wrong is that the action is condemned, chances are that that action will be repeated. However, if someone finds out why that action was taken, then steps can be taken to ensure that it doesn't happen again in the future. Or would you rather we continue the mindless cycle of which side can best the other in the contest of insanity?

[Herschel]

21. Please what are your theories

A killer is arrested and then released. Why might this have been done? It is so obvious. The PA remains insincere about fighting terror. This is not a mindless cycle of insanity. This is Israel under attack and defending herself. A criminal act and efforts to bring justice on the criminals are not a mindless cycle of insanity. No moral equivilency.

[plurality]

22. If they were as insincere as you insinuate..

then why did they arrest her in the first place? If they really didn't care if people carried out terrorist attacks against Israel then they would have let her continue on her merry way to blow up Israelis. As I said, one reason they might have let her go is that they might not have the facilities or the resources to keep her held for a long period of time. But of course I can't say with any certainty one way or the other why they released her since I am not one of those people and I don't know them so I can't ask them, and neither do you. Face it, we're both grasping at straws for an explaination. And I'd have to say, now the EVERYONE knows who she is and what she was going to do, the chances of her being able to now successfully carry out the attack are next to zero.

[Herschel]

23. You may grasp all you like

I am not. Resources to hold this one person would be available if the PA were serious. Your rationale that she will not be able to try again is incorrect as it is pitiful. Yes, everyone knows who she is. And she knows there will be no ramifacations to her actions. Things like this will only serve to keep Palestinians rotting in refugee camps.

[plurality]

24. You didn't answer my question

If the PA didn't care about terrorism, why did they arrest her in the first place, why not let her carry out her mission, then they could claim ignorance?

[Herschel]

25. If you ask my opinion

I will give it to you. Here, you ask me to read the mind of the PA. I speculate they arrested her for show, hopeful that her eventual release would not receive as much attention. That is my speculation. I cannot know for sure.

[plurality]

26. I accept that

But will you also admit that you are attempting to read the mind of the PA and therefore can't really know for sure when you say they don't care about stopping terror.

[Herschel]

27. If we are honest with ourselves

I think we can agree that the PA would have held this woman if they were serious about fighting terror. I will leave it at that.

[StandWatie]

43. I don't know if you realize this..

Israeli settlers were arrested for a bomb plot on a West Bank school last year. They made bail and carried out the bombing they plotted. Does that mean Israel let them out of jail to do their work or would suggesting that just be mean spirited and prejudiced?

[Violet_Crumble]

32. Mental health...

This is a mentally deranged girl if she truly was committed to killing herself and as many other people as possible.

While the behaviour of those who kill themselves and others with them for a cause can be totally impossible to understand, it doesn't automatically mean they've got a mental illness, otherwise every single Kamikaze pilot in WWII would have been mentally deranged, which I'm sure they weren't...

I think she should have been detained to be assessed mentally and while an investigation into any possible links with groups was happening, but I'm curious to know just what in the way of mental health facilities there are in the Occupied Territories, as well as how many police stations are still standing and functional. Someone posted an article about how the police are operating out of tents because their police station was destroyed. I can't imagine that a tent is the best in the way of security when it comes to holding someone...


Violet...

[Herschel]

38. How thoughtful of you

Yes, let us make her comfortable, while we try to understand why she has been made to be a mass killer. And we will find excuses for her release. The poor pitiful thing. Please!

[Violet_Crumble]

39. I think you may have lost the plot in this thread somehow...

This woman's NOT a mass-killer. Nowhere in the articles that I read did it say she was. But hey, stuff common-sense or actually thinking when it comes to these things! I vote if the PA won't drop a bomb on the family home in imitation of an Israeli pre-emptive targetted killing favoured by one or two in this thread, then us progressive DU'ers charter a plane and get our butts over there and do it for them!! Enough of this namby-pamby triviality over whether she actually did anything or whether a note left for her family was the sign of a mental disturbance or something more sinister!! Let's not let facts or common-sense get in the way of our collective progressive lust for blood, I say!!!!!

Violet...

[Darranar]

40. Okay...

I'm going to respond to your post in a reasonable manner since you obviously have a deep-hearted hatred for unreasonable manners.
Tha PA must rein in terrorists. The GOI does not have the power to strike in an area with as much ability as the PA should have. The GOI should have no need to use those "pre-emptive targeted killings" that you mention.

Anyway, I'm going to ask you this question, and I want a straight answer: If you could kill 7 innocent civilians and a militant, and in doing so, save 8 innocent civilians whom the militant would kill, would you do it? There are no other options availible that you could use to save those civilians, and you know for sure that the militant is going to strike and kill 8 innocents.
I know this example is abstract, I just want to know your views on it.

[Violet_Crumble]

47. From the desk of Miss Manners...

Uh, I don't have a deep-hearted hatred for unreasonable manners. I don't even have a deep-hearted hatred for stupid people who refuse to think. I just don't have a lot of time for schools of thought where the only thing that ever should be considered is violence and bloodshed. I guess if I was to get all in a tizzy about manners, I'd wail and gnash my teeth at an implication that I don't give straight answers...

And moving on to straight answers, the answer to yr question is clearly yes. In the example you give, there's no mights or maybes about what is to happen or when and I assume there would be some degree of imminency to it. I've never understood why the US didn't just admit shooting down that plane in Pennsylvania on Sept 11. Considering where it seemed to be heading and how many lives would have been lost if it had hit a nuclear reactor, that's one case where I think there was no other choice but to take the lives of innocent civilians to stop an attack from happening...

Violet...

[Gimel]

54. Definitely lost

Indeed, as you say, the plot of this thread has definitly been lost. Why the digression to the 9/11 and your unsubstantiated claim? I suspect the conspiracy appeals to your refusal to accept the heroic actions of the passengers aboard that flight. The White House was the reported destination of the hijacked plane, not a nuclear reactor.

[Violet_Crumble]

56. Excuse me?

Darranar asked me a question and I answered him. Be careful if yr starting to make a habit of following me into sub-threads you haven't been involved in and shrieking accusations of being off-topic at me. If you bothered to read what I'd been saying, which was merely mentioned as an example of a situation I'd think that the killing of civilians was justified, you'd have noticed I used the word *seemed*. It's not a conspiracy theory as I have problems with conspiracy theories, but unlike you I don't think that just because something's reported, it's automatically fact. The fact is that no-one can be entirely sure where it was heading, and Three Mile Island wasn't all that far away when the plane was either shot down or crashed. It really has zero at all to do with any claim on yr part that I'm refusing to accept heroic actions of passengers as that's not the issue...


Violet...

[Gimel]

57. Private sub-thread?

Oh indeed, again I beg your pardon. I haven't noticed any rules about sub-threads and private discussions. I'm not following you, as I've made several posts on this thread, in fact, I posted the article to start the thread.

I've never understood why the US didn't just admit shooting down that plane in Pennsylvania on Sept 11. Considering where it seemed to be heading and how many lives would have been lost if it had hit a nuclear reactor, that's one case where I think there was no other choice but to take the lives of innocent civilians to stop an attack from happening...


followed by:
unlike you I don't think that just because something's reported, it's automatically fact. The fact is that no-one can be entirely sure where it was heading, and Three Mile Island wasn't all that far away when the plane was either shot down or crashed. It really has zero at all to do with any claim on yr part that I'm refusing to accept heroic actions of passengers as that's not the issue...

Perhaps you missed the recorded phone conversations between the passenger and their families before the plane crashed. Perhaps you missed the testimony by the mother of one of the organizers of the counter-take-over about her cell-phone contact with her son. I read more than initial news reports. There was, in fact little time to launch an attack to shoot down said plane, as it wasn't even located on radar for some of the time, (onedit: it was the radio communication that was lost, not the radar). The plane turned around and headed back to Washington, and that was reported.

It is a digression from a combat situation, or an actual war scenario to discuss this hypothetical case such as the hijack of United Airlines flight 93 with 45 innocent people on board which crashed into an unpopulated area in Penn, about 1 hour and 14 min after the impact of American Airlines flight 11 into the north tower of the WTC.

I don't think that just because something's reported, it's automatically fact

It seems you prefer to make up your own "facts".
http://www.msnbc.com/news/629077.asp

http://www.msnbc.com/news/631225.asp

http://www.msnbc.com/news/632626.asp

Also on edit: BTW, how would you rate the loss of 45 innocent lives agains the loss of say 35 if the 35 were the President of the US (or Australia could be substituted here) and 34 others, his staff and members of his cabinet?

[Darranar]

58. The question is not off-topic at all...

It was a discussion of pre-emptive srikes, and how much evidence the PA-or the Israelis-shouldhave had befre they arrested or killed her.

[Gimel]

59. Pre-emptive strikes

The PA reported an arrest, saying she was at an unauthorized entrance point into Israel and in possession of an explosives belt (by one account in the JPost, the Ha'aretz account didn't seem to mention an explosives belt). So it was, according to them, a pre-emptive arrest. However, they then claimed that while she had left a note about her intentions, she was released to her family. No name was ever supplied.

It does lack in supporting evidence. The JPost report says, that Israeli officials were doubting the truth in the claim, and that maybe the PA just wanted to create this to gain credit for terror prevention.

Interestingly, an actual suicide bomber exploded himself in an Israeli moshav community less than 24 hours later. Is that 1 out of 2 for the PA, or is it just lack of terror prevention period.

As for pre-emptive strikes, the extreme case, in which collateral damage or the deaths of innocent civilians, family members or employees is involved in strikes or attempted assassinations. Is it justified and under what conditions? Is the leader worth more in terms of lives saved? Is a leader of a terror group so important to kill, that collateral damage could be acceptable in view of the lives saved by eliminating him with his plans for attacks on civilian targets?

[Herschel]

41. A confession of her intentions

In her own writing is not enough for you. I suppose if she were to board an Israeli bus with her belt of death strapped on, we couldn't know her intentions, could we? We would need to analyze her. Oh, my.

[plurality]

42. So writing intention of a criminal act is now signing a death warrant?

Just wondering, did it mention that she had the explosives on her when she was caught? Or do suicide bombers usually get their ordanace once they're inside Israel?

[Darranar]

30. And who will teach her...

those ways? Her family? I doubt it. Likely they will party anf bless her for her courage. Her friends? The same. She needs to be taught, yes, but not by releasing her.

[Violet_Crumble]

28. Am I reading the right article?

I had to scroll down a bit to get to the story about this woman, but what I read mentioning nothing about filming a video and getting fitted for a vest. All that was mentioned was that she'd left a note....

Violet...

[plurality]

29. it didn't

but that's just the usual 'martyr' preparation, so it was probably used to say she hadn't done it yet, just that she had been prepared for it.

[Jim Sagle]

8. Remember, IOKIYAPT (It's OK If You're A Palestinian Terrorist).

[bemildred]

44. I think the requirement is "stop the bombings".

Nothing else is on the table.
If you get that much, you will be lucky.