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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 10:08 PM
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Kissinger in '72: Jews 'self-serving bastards'
Secret US State Department docs released for publication indicate Jewish-American politician suffered from Jewish lobbyists' pressure prior to Yom Kippur War; reveal he suggested to divide Sinai Peninsula into 'security zones'

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4150018,00.html

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"Confidential files released for publication in the United States on Friday reveal a new side to the Jewish-American politician Henry Kissinger, which might anger the Jewish community.

Kissinger, who served as the United States National Security Advisor and later as Secretary of State in the administrations of Presidents Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford, had demanded to divide the Sinai Peninsula into "security zones" prior to the Yom Kippur War in 1973.

According to the secret documents released by the State Department, back in 1972 Kissinger wished to put economic and ethical pressure on Israel, calling American Jewish groups lobbying the Nixon White House self-serving "bastards."

The files also show that Russia had claimed the "Arabs" were willing to recognize the State of Israel at that time."




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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 10:14 PM
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1. Posted earlier
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holdencaufield Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 12:12 AM
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2. Is your point...
... that you agree with him?

Or, do you unequivocally refute his assertion?

Or, do you point out the stupidity of attributing ANY quality, negative or positive, to an entire group?
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 12:34 AM
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3. Did you read the OP ?
or did you just see the opportunity for 'outrage' in the title and go with it?

Kissinger was talking about lobbyists
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holdencaufield Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 12:42 AM
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4. I did...
... my questions still stand. What's the poster's opinion of Kissenger's alleged statement?
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:10 AM
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5. so you do not believe lobbyists are self serving bastards?
or only Jewish lobbyists aren't self serving bastards ?
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holdencaufield Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:16 AM
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6. Don't be obtuse
The post wasn't about Methodist Lobbyists.

Let the poster answer for his or herself.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:26 AM
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7. IMO any lobbyists are pretty much self serving bastards is that acute enough for you?
Edited on Sat Nov-19-11 01:26 AM by azurnoir
after all that is part of what being a lobbyist is about
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holdencaufield Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:57 AM
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8. Spinning like a s'vivon NT
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 02:15 AM
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9. no stating my opinion
but I'll take your answers as frustration at not getting what you so badly seem to want and my first impression that you were taking the title out of context and running with it?
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Mosby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 12:19 PM
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12. do you judge every employee that way?
What about lobbyists for the american cancer society, are they bastards also?

What about people who work for big banks say as a teller, should they be judged also?

What about people who work for phillip morris or RJR, should we scorn them because of where they work?

Just wondering where your cutoff is.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 02:38 PM
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13. ah yes I was waiting for angle
Edited on Sat Nov-19-11 02:39 PM by azurnoir
any lobbyist is self serving and yes that wold apply to someone lobbying for the Cancer Society too now as to whether or not they're bastards is up too the individual I repeated "bastards" because it was part of Kissinger's quote

a bank teller is a low level employee and no more an actual "lobbyist" than a supermarket cashier or the person who takes your order at McDonalds, that being said your attempt to water down the defination of "lobbyist" to meet your needs is noted

whether or not the lobbyist for Philip Morris or R J Reynolds deserve scorn is up to the individual, what about lobbyists for Genentech or Aventis?
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Dick Dastardly Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 02:42 PM
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14. Agree. All lobbyists are self serving and whether or not they are bastards is up to the individual.
Edited on Sun Nov-20-11 02:43 PM by Dick Dastardly
Lobbyists who are not self serving are not doing their job. Most lobbyists, including those for the Cancer Society and other such groups, are hired gun professionals who usually are representing the group as a job not as a passionate believer. Most have also been previously employed by the government or elected to office at one time. I also have a hunch that tenacious bastards make for a more effective lobbyist.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 10:12 AM
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10. That's what you get when you hang out in Washington all the time.
You meet a lot of "self-serving bastards" there ...
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 11:38 AM
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11. Kissinger was a self-serving and Nixon-serving bastard, with all the usual Republican prejudices of
the time, including antisemitism. Yes, he's Jewish himself - just as Clarence Thomas is African-American, and Sarah Palin is a woman.
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