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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 06:13 PM
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Lieberman: Israel will renounce past agreements if Palestinians seek unilateral statehood
Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman threatened on Friday that Israel will renounce past agreements, including the Oslo Accords, with the Palestinians if they continue their unilateral pursuit of statehood recognition from the United Nations in September.

Lieberman's statement came during a meeting in Jerusalem with European foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton.

"The unilateral move at the UN is the end of the Oslo Accords and would be a violation of all agreements that we have signed until now," Lieberman said. "Israel would not be obligated to the agreements that it has signed with the Palestinians over the past 18 years."

Lieberman added that there is zero chance that negotiations with the Palestinians will resume, due to the position of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/lieberman-israel-will-renounce-past-agreements-if-palestinians-seek-unilateral-statehood-1.368216

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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 06:15 PM
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1. Heavens, Sir! What a Great Change That Will Be....
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 06:19 PM
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3. Not worth the paper they are written on, apparently, Sir.
One wonders why we should bother with agreements at all.

Not only that, going to the UN is now "unilateral".
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Dept of Beer Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 06:54 PM
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5. U.N. Sponsored statehood is only
appropriate for some and not for others, sir.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 11:08 PM
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15. There does seem to be a change in moving from ignoring to renouncing agreements...
Agreements get pretty thoroughly ignored except for the specific bits that suit one sides purpose at any particular point in time. Now Lieberman, the master strategist and diplomat that he is, is doing away with such a passive thing as ignoring and threatening to do exactly the same as has been done before, except this time they'll announce loudly they're renouncing the agreements they'd previously ignored. I know if that sort of threat were aimed at me, I'd be unilaterally quaking in my boots, knowing how seriously the rest of the world takes Lieberman...
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-11 01:21 AM
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17. The winds of change here...
Edited on Sun Jun-19-11 01:22 AM by Lithos
Feed the Doldrums we see today.



L-

On change: Send me notes of your latest modeling efforts please. Good to see you around.

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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 06:19 PM
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2. One more time.
Israel does not want peace. That would mean giving up their aims on the entire area of Palestine, the money and arms they get from America, and so much more.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 06:22 PM
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4. Livni: Obama's peace plan clearly in Israel's interest
Opposition leader Tzipi Livni said US President Barack Obama's peace plan laid out in his Thursday Middle East speech was clearly in Israel's interests, while the diplomatic stalemate that she believes was brought on by Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is not.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x352299

Lieberman is not Israel.
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Dept of Beer Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 06:55 PM
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6. Israel is also not the UN. Change will come;

whether it is acceptable to Israel or not.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 07:03 PM
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7. What does that mean?
What's the UN going to do?
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Dept of Beer Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 07:28 PM
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8. The U.N. will have the final say on statehood for the Palestinians

over Israel's protests.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 10:24 PM
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13. How will they do that?
The UN General Assembly can't really do anything enforceable, can they?
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Dept of Beer Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 10:26 PM
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14. We'll see.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 11:20 PM
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16. Recognising a new state isn't something that's binding or enforceable...
I've always found this topic interesting, and my understanding is that once a state declares its independence, then other states will officially recognise the new state, and the more that do it, the more legitimacy the new state has. The recognition part is totally beyond the control of the Security Council, which is where most binding resolutions happen. When it comes to admitting the new state as a full member of the UN, apparently that's where a veto in the Security Council can stop them from becoming a member, and that's what the US could possibly do, though I suspect it would be a damaging move for the US and the US would try to avoid that...
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-11 06:16 AM
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18. Yes, exactly
I'm not sure what the poster I was responding to was trying to say.

I don't see whatever action the UN might take doing anything to impact Lieberman or Netanyahu and their positions.

Israel has ignored the UN before, as you know, and I see no reason why the current government wouldn't do so again.

Especially if the US continues to have their back.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 07:42 PM
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9. Zero chance that negotiations with the Palestinians will resume, exactly
what he was aiming for.
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 07:47 PM
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10. Agreed, exactly what Abbas
was aiming for.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 08:02 PM
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11. Yea, that rings true for some, but not for those paying attention.
Edited on Sat Jun-18-11 08:12 PM by Jefferson23
He's been singing this same song consistently and of course the settlements..another pledge for peace.

Avigdor Lieberman: No Chance For Israeli-Palestinian Peace Deal
JERUSALEM President Barack Obama's Mideast envoy finds himself increasingly hamstrung, with Israel's foreign minister on Thursday all but ruling out a peace deal for years to come and the Palestinian leader weakened by his decision not to push for a Gaza war crimes tribunal against Israel.

Jordan's King Abdullah II added a gloomy warning that prospects for peace are "sliding into darkness."

Obama envoy George Mitchell, visiting Israeli and Palestinian leaders for the second time in three weeks, is trying relentlessly to bring the sides together for talks, but the obstacles he faces are daunting.

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman suggested that the two sides come up with a long-term interim arrangement that would ensure stability, while at the same time putting off a final deal. He recommended leaving the toughest issues such as the status of disputed Jerusalem and a solution for Palestinian refugees who lost homes amid war "to a much later stage."

"Anyone who says that within the next few years an agreement can be reached ending the conflict ... simply doesn't understand the situation and spreads delusions, ultimately leading to disappointments and an all-out confrontation here," Lieberman told Israel Radio.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/08/avigdor-lieberman-no-chan_n_313605.html

on edit for clarity.
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tootrueleft Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 08:34 PM
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12. Good, considering netenyahu admitted to sabotaging oslo on camera.
International law trumps agreements made in bad faith.
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