Arsonists torch Jewish school near Paris

[drdon326]

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1068880713054

Fire gutted the Merkaz HaTorah Jewish secondary school in the Paris suburb of Gagny in the Seine-Saint-Denis region Saturday morning at 3am. There were no injuries.

Fire started simultaneously in two separate places on the first floor of the school where works were under way. A primary school and a kindergarten for 200 children were to be inaugurated there in January 2004. The arsonist or arsonists broke into the building through a ground floor window.

About 100 firefighters were called in to put out the flames, which destroyed some 3,000 square metres on the school's second floor.

France's Minister of Interior Nicolas Sarkozy and Minister of Education Luc Ferry visited the charred remnants of the building on Saturday. They were met by the head of the local Jewish community and by CRIF's (the umbrella body representing French Jewry) Director-general Haim Musicant.

"The criminal origin of the blaze is more than strongly suspected which gives, for this Jewish school, an anti-Semitic and obviously racist connotation," said Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy.

"This shows that there is still lots of work to do to fight against all forms of anti-Semitism," the minister added.
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PURE CO-INCIDENCE....

I cant imagine what peaceful people would do such a thing ??
hmmmmmmmm.....

[bluesoul]

1. Hmm

strongly suspected? So they don't know whether this was intentional or not? Or who or what caused it?

[rini]

3. sorry

so far no idea

[bluesoul]

5. Oh I see

Cause nothing was mentioned in the article about anyone taking the responsibility...

[drdon326]

6. I'm sooooo sure....

it is just pure bad luck. Nothing for you or anyone
else to worry about.

Its not like theres any worldwide pattern of anti-semitism led
by jihadofascism or anything.

And who cares the OBL has called for a global JIHAD against all
jews worldwide.

sheesh...

[Jack Rabbit]

32. Nevertheless

Two seaparte fires started simulatneously. The Interior Minister is not "strongly suspecting" arson; he doesn't suppose it to be anything else. His strong suspicions concern anti-Semitism as the motive. such suspicion is more than reasonable under the circumstances.

[rini]

2. But of course

there is no anti-semitsm inolved.

[Paschall]

4. Dupe

I posted this story earlier in LBN from a French source.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=220997

I'm not sure why you put this in I/P Affairs; neither Israel nor Palestine is involved. Even if--as seems the case--this is a deliberate anti-Semitic attack, the perpetrators could well be members of France's virulently anti-Semitic extreme right, rather than Arabs, Muslims, or Palestinian sympathisizers, as your posting here seems to suggest.

[drdon326]

7. Not a dupe....

different article.

[Paschall]

8. Actually the earlier thread has a link to the AP story in English...

...which was the basis for the story you posted here.

But what makes this I/P material?

[bluesoul]

9. Unless the perpetrators were Palestinians it

certainly ain't I/P material

[rini]

10. ah

so you think there is anti-semitism involved rather than anti-zionism?

[Darranar]

12. Of course this attack was anti-semitic...

it was a clear attempt to harm Jews. It was NOT an attack on Zionism but rather an attack on Jews.

This targeting of innocent people is despicable. There is no excuse and no justification for it.

[MikeGalos]

11. You missed unwritten rule #1

Since, as I'm sure you'll eventually be told if you stay here long enough, there is no such thing as anti-Semtism, all attacks on Jews for any reason (even claiming the Holocaust didn't happen and was a secret Jewish plot aided by the Jewish-controlled intenational media) are really, secretly attacks on Israeli government policy...

Yes, it's really quite insane but it is how the local mythos works.

Besides, at some point, any article discussing Jews will get at least one post about how Israel is really the root of all evil in the world and will then get moved here to the Ghetto.

[Darranar]

13. Not in I/P, at least not by any non-tombstoned person in my time here...

though I was shocked to read some of the posts in LBN this morning...

Claims ARE made that the rise in anti-semitism is in part due to Israeli government policy. Frankly, I find that to be a very hard argument to contest. It doesn't change the fact that anti-semitism, like all other forms of racism and bigotry, is immoral and unjustified. In every shape and form it needs to be condemned.

[MikeGalos]

15. Sounds like

the moderators are doing a better job now then in the past.

What you were shocked about in LBN this morning would have been considered mainstream here not that long ago and there would be much worse that was considered acceptable.

[Paschall]

14. Nice irony

But as it happens, anti-Semitism was one of the hate crimes first targetted by French legislation just after World War II. Unlike the United States, France has outlawed publishing denials of the Holocaust and "justifying" crimes against humanity. And this has been French law for decades.

Anti-Semitism thus has a legal definition in France; and you certainly won't hear me denying it exists or that it should be eradicated.

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[Paschall]

26. Well, I'm saving a copy of this thread to hard disk

If you have problems, I recommend you do the same.

Alerts always go to Admins as well as Mods, so Skinner and crew will get on it if they feel it needs action.

I'm really astounded!

[Aidoneus]

29. I don't let it bother me as much anymore

though I hear a few things from others here who are getting more bothered lately.
My opinion may stand out on this, but it's kind of fun to have the less-leftists around (to put it very mildly, "vigorously anti-left" would be more accurate, the one who took shots at you here is a Netanyahu fan who has some very interesting views), though some of my better points get quite suddenly ignored on occasion.

Skinner (or one of the Admins, forget which) downplays the deletions, pointing to a figure of something like 1% of all total posts disappearing (or a fraction of that)--he had a whole set of figures on this in GD a while back, interesting breakdowns really--, but I'd guess that at least half of those happen in GD & I/P alone, maybe 75% of the total, and that in itself gets disruptive on occasion.

It's not that I ask for "the other side" to get the treatment instead, and I can think of only a couple of my own that have disappeared, I would just prefer things were more fairly applied--or at best, sparingly, with obvious disruptors weeded out as they reveal themselves, but pretty much everyone else left to talk amongst themselves.

[Paschall]

31. I saw those stats on deleted posts

I think the deletions on this thread were totally unwarranted and probably the result of one or more people getting their tempers up. The content of the posts was well within the limits of DU rules--even if rini stepped over the "comprehension line" of ordinary written English. :eyes:

There does seem to be a certain "imbalance," but it's odd that so many of the leftists' threads go completely without response from either side. If you've posted threads like those, Aidoneus, it's likely that I've read them, but just had nothing to say. I am trying to be more assiduous in I/P.

In any event, all that's left of this blow-up now is just a little cyber-dust...

Cheers (And good night. It's already Sunday in Paris!)
Paschall

[rini]

35. Mr. Paschall

Since you so graciously PMd me about your meaning, I am more than willing to admit we were both hasty. You were not as clear as you could have been, and I took misunderstood you. Have a nice weekend.

[bluesoul]

27. Actually to be fair

a few of those to the right of Netanyahu here did get tombstoned ;-)

[Aidoneus]

28. I had forgotten about BushCutters for a minute there

May the "Islamic devils" leave him in peace..
Apparently ForestsBeatBushes ran into a bit of trouble, as was kindly explained to me in private. Didn't really pay much attention to him and I didn't quite understand the tombstone at first.

Great, now you've proved a liar of me.. I should've added "typically".. oh well.

[Paschall]

30. Goodness, it's happened to me again

Why are my self-defenses deleted while the slanderous misreading of my posts and intentions--penned by rini--left to stand?!?

ON EDIT: Thank you for eliminating rini's tripe.

While jumping on my posts, you might have been equally vigilant in regard to her defamatory words.

[schrodinger_I]

18. Well said....

<EOM>:grouphug:

[Aidoneus]

19. please brush up on your reading skills

...you certainly won't hear me denying it exists or that it should be eradicated...

Had you properly read Paschall's post, you would've noted what was clearly intended by this particular fragment:--
1)--you certainly won't hear me denying it exists
2)--you certainly won't hear me denying that it should be eradicated

The two statements are combined for convenience and avoiding repetition.

Same advice I gave to Mike earlier:--concentrate on what somebody does, in fact, say, and not what you would've liked for them to have said for you to go off on this little routine.

http://www.readingcomprehensionconnection.com/

[Paschall]

20. THANKS!

Still can't believe my post was misconstrued!

:wow:

[bluesoul]

21. It's not the first time it happened

and it won't be the last Paschall ;-)

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