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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:38 PM
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A man of peace?
A man of peace?
Ignoring Abbas’ horrific track record of the last 50 year rewards terror


Yoram Ettinger
Published: 04.27.10, 00:46 / Israel Opinion


Since 2007, US foreign aid to the Palestinian Authority and to PA-controlled NGOs reached nearly $2BN, in addition to $3.7BN contributed by the US to UNRWA since 1950. Has American foreign aid to Abbas advanced moderation, the pursuit of peace and US national security interests?

On April 20, 2010 Abbas named a Ramallah street in honor of Abu Jihad, the architect of PLO terrorism during 1965-1988. For example, Abu Jihad masterminded the March 11, 1978 Israeli Coastal Road Massacre - the hijacking two civilian buses, and murder of 38 civilians, including 13 children. He also orchestrated the March 1975 Tel Aviv Hotel Savoy Massacre, murdering seven civilians.

On March 11, 2010 Abbas -controlled TV and dailies (Al-Ayam and Al-Khayat Al-Jedida) praised Dalal Mughrabi - who commanded the Coastal Road Massacre - as a martyr. On January 16, 2010, Abbas announced that a major square in El-Bireh shall be named in honor of Mughrabi. The PA also named a Hebron girls’ school, a computers center, a summer camp and a sport tournament in honor of Mughrabi.

Abbas and Salam Fayyad authorize the transfer of monthly allowances to families of Palestinian “martyrs”/terrorists. They pay condolences visits to families of suicide bombers, acclaiming them as national heroes.

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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3879831,00.html
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Eg-ptiangirl Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:55 PM
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1. Wow What A Discovery!
I think now that you discovered that we have to stop millions of Palestinians from their right to have a country.

BTW, Fateh is an OCCUPATION RESISTANCE GROUP. Fighting occupation by any means is LEGAL. They CHOSE to have a more peaceful way when Israel agreed to the peace plan in OSLO.

Your surprise and ignorance of his past and Fateh past in general, one of the most important Palestinian groups mean you should stop posting like an expert in the conflict BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 02:45 AM
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3. 'Fighting occupation by any means is legal..'
No, targeting civilians for the purpose is not.

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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 12:00 AM
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10. I guess she likes to see dead Israeli children,
Sickening.
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 03:02 AM
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4. It's just a reality check - no need to pretend Abbas is moderate or some man of peace.
Edited on Thu Apr-29-10 03:46 AM by shira
As to your comments, I'm for the 60% proposal of West Bank territory with temporary borders and you're apparently not - meaning you're against ending the occupation of most of the W.Bank - not me.

As for legal fighting against occupation, can you explain what's legal about deliberately using your own civilians as human shields when targeting schools and pizzerias?
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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 02:12 PM
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6. If you are so entrenched with the 60/40 split
Do you accept that the settlements are on land that does not belong to them?

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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 07:17 PM
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7. UNSCR 242 doesn't call for full retreat to exact '67 borders, which means the land in question is
....not necessarily Palestinian land.

And the 60/40 split isn't meant to be a permanent "take it or leave it" deal.

It's odd that so many against occupation think that 60% land and temporary borders is a bad idea that should be rejected. Imagine if it were offered 10 years ago at Camp David. Today, at worst, the occupation would be on only 40% of the W.Bank instead of 100%.
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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 10:10 AM
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8. That isn't what I asked is it?
I asked if you accept that the settlements are on land that does not belong to them. It does not presume that the land is automatically Palistinian.

Although internal israeli documents have found that more than 40 percent of the land in which settlers are occupying was in fact privately owned by palistinians. PRIVATELY OWNED - and admitted by an Israeli investigation.
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 01:54 PM
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9. I'd say both Jews and Arabs have valid claims to the land in question
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 02:43 AM
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2. There are no 'men of peace' in power on either side.
Edited on Thu Apr-29-10 02:46 AM by LeftishBrit
Is Netanyahu a man of peace? Was Olmert, even?

However, continuing the Occupation is not a peaceful action and will result in further war, not peace.

These are the sorts of arguments that England once used against ending the British Empire. And the new countries were certainly not all peaceful or pro-Britain - but this was no reason for preventing them from becoming independent states.

ETA: Was either Begin or Sadat a 'man of peace' - until they made peace!?
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 03:05 AM
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5. He's misrepresented constantly as moderate, as opposed to Netanyahu who is hardline Rightwing
Edited on Thu Apr-29-10 03:07 AM by shira
The fact is, compared to Nutty, Abbas is far more rightwing and hardline and it's not even close.

Do you think that falsely portraying Abbas as moderate and covering for his disgusting views and actions is wrong?
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