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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 06:00 AM
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Sheikh Jarrah's peaceful protests
Nonviolent Palestinian protest serves as a magnet for ordinary Israelis alienated by the rock-throwing seen elsewhere

Seth Freedman
guardian.co.uk
Thursday 18 March 2010 09.30 GMT


News that the villages of Bil'in and Nil'in are to become closed military zones every Friday until August has been greeted with dismay by locals and activists alike. The decision is an alarming upping of the ante in the battle between the Israeli authorities and opponents of the expropriation of Palestinian land, but the cessation of weekly hostilities could turn out to be a silver lining in the cloud.

For all that the villagers' cause is just, the means employed in demonstrating their discontent regularly prove counterproductive. Antagonising soldiers by throwing rocks and other projectiles has proved costly both in terms of winning support on the Israeli street and in lives lost during clashes with troops. For all that, the IDF's response to the marchers is often wildly excessive, the local popular committees' apathy towards preventing violence emanating from their own side plays no small part in the ratcheting up of tensions each week that the rallies are held.

Supporters of the residents' struggle often contend that the Palestinians have every right to use violence to defend themselves and their land. Such theorising is all well and good, but since they are no match for the might of the IDF, employing such tactics is doomed to fail – and to bring even more pressure to bear on the villagers, as witnessed by the decision to turn the areas into closed military zones. For the army's part, the IDF spokesman asserts that the order only applies to "outside agitators", and that locals will be allowed to go about their daily routines unimpeded.

"Outside agitators" is a tag applied as much to Israeli attendees as it is to foreign activists operating in the region. Preventing allies arriving from within Israeli society is a massive blow to the Palestinian cause, since ultimately it is the Israeli electorate who need to be won over in order for the country's leaders to soften their stance towards the Palestinians. The decision to close the villages comes at a time when the Israeli left is undergoing something of a mini-revival, and demonstrates a growing fear in military and political circles that support for direct action against the occupation is swelling on both sides of the Green Line.

However, I know plenty of Israelis who shy away from attending the demonstrations at Bil'in and Nil'in precisely because of the anticipated violence of both the army and the protesters. In Sheikh Jarrah, on the other hand, hundreds of Israelis attend solidarity rallies every week thanks to the reputation for peaceful protest attached to the locals' fight for equality. Despite sporadic outbursts of hostilities between police and demonstrators in Sheikh Jarrah, the overall tone of the marches is far less aggressive than those occurring simultaneously a few miles away in Bil'in and Nil'in.

Last week, I attended the mass rally in Sheikh Jarrah, which attracted close to 5,000 supporters. Held on a Saturday night instead of the regular Friday afternoon slot, the event was a massive success, both numerically and politically, with a huge Israeli presence standing shoulder to shoulder with local Arab residents in opposition to the settlement activity in the area. Musicians played, politicians delivered rousing speeches, and not a single stone was thrown nor a single rubber bullet fired by the troops looking on. Despite a bitter slanging match between settler counter-protesters and the Sheikh Jarrah faithful, words were not matched by actions, and the event passed off entirely peacefully.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/mar/18/sheikh-jarrah-peaceful-protest
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 07:49 AM
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1. Very interesting perspective.
I had many reactions while reading the piece.

It fascinated me that Freedman used the word "violent" to describe the weekly demos in the WB numerous times, and that same adjective "once" to describe the military force that regularly shoots protestors...

Part of me recoils with his classification of "good" and "bad" protests, with the notion that "successful" protests attract Israelis, who are afraid to go to the "aggressive" protests. We shall see, won't we? The Sheik Jarrah demos will only be "successful" if the expropriations stop.

At the end of it all, I don't like the comparison and reject his desire to judge one set of demos against the other.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 05:30 PM
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4. His perspective is purely 'how will Israelis see this?'
I really like Seth Freedman, but I think he does have a blind spot when it comes to Palestinian protests. It struck me that he seems to think that it's all about how Israelis will see the protests, and he doesn't seem to worry about how the Palestinians involved feel. I found it just a bit galling when he started lecturing Palestinians about what they should do, and also found out from reading the comments that he was incorrect when he said that there's a lack of interest amongst the organisers in trying to stop the stone-throwing. In fact, the organisers have been recorded many times begging for people not to do it.

The bottom line for me is I understand why stones get thrown at protests, and of course it shouldn't happen, but I find it really annoying when people who rarely if ever speak out against the violence of the IDF towards Palestinians get so vocal about Palestinians throwing stones. It's so hypocritical...
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 06:20 PM
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5. Aren't the Palestinians protesting against Israel?
Isn't at least part of the goal to get more Israelis to understand their position and pressure their government to make a change?
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 02:44 AM
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6. While it'd be part of the goal, it's not the only thing to it ...
His focus was solely on making things all nice so Israelis might want to participate....
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 08:31 AM
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2. Glad Freedman called out the Bil'in and Nil'in protesters for their violent and aggressive actions
Antagonizing soldiers by throwing rocks and other projectiles is definitely counterproductive and not the way to go.

He also makes the point that protests that are truly peaceful are responded to in kind by the Israeli forces (not a single stone was thrown nor a single rubber bullet fired by the troops looking on).

Very good article - thanks for posting!
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 08:10 AM
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7. I anxiously await your calling out Israeli violence, Oberliner. nt
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 08:22 AM
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8. I anxiously await your calling out Hamas' deliberate inculcation of Jew hatred into Pal'n children
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 09:14 AM
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9. ROTFLOL. Honey, have you seen a picture of Gaza lately? Opening the door is all the "inculcation"
Edited on Sun Mar-21-10 09:17 AM by ProgressiveMuslim
required.

The IDF and Shin Bet, with decades of evil activity in Gaza, have done bang-up job of drumming up hatred all by themselves.


Do you imagine that you can lock people up on their homes for weeks at a time, steal their land, steal their water, treat them worse than barnyard pigs, imprison their family members, murder their children, keep them in eternal poverty and they are GOING TO LOVE ISRAEL???


That you would even write such a thing shows exactly how far from reality you are!
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 09:23 AM
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10. Are you against Gaza Authorities (Hamas) inculcating hatred of Jews into Pal'n children?
Edited on Sun Mar-21-10 09:38 AM by shira
For that matter, the PLO and PA do the same. Do you think that's wrong?

I'm not talking hatred of Israel, but pure antisemitic, Jew hatred.
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 10:08 AM
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11. Are you against Israel's acts of violence, agressession and torture of Palestinian children, women
Edited on Sun Mar-21-10 10:11 AM by ProgressiveMuslim
men?

Your idiocy on this subject suggests that you DON'T HAVE AN INKLING ABOUT WHAT THE GOV'T OF ISRAEL HAS DONE TO THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE.

So we'll talk about how Palestinians respond to those evil acts after we discuss the acts themselves.

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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 10:39 AM
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12. Do you believe Israeli actions are the reason Hamas and the PLO teaches children to hate Jews?
Edited on Sun Mar-21-10 10:40 AM by shira
What Israeli actions caused people like the Grand Mufti Al-Hussayni of the 1920's to hate Jews? The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem enjoyed increasing popularity throughout that region while being a big supportive fan and follower of Hitler and the Nazi program against Jews in the late 30's and early 40's.

That kind of hatred from the 1920's to 1940's before the state of Israel existed was taught to Arab and Palestinian children of that generation.

I would think that as a progressive, you'd be against the inculcation of that kind of hatred.

What makes Hamas and the PLO any different?
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 12:41 PM
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14. Are you arrogant and insane enough to actually believe that the people of
Edited on Sun Mar-21-10 12:59 PM by ProgressiveMuslim
Palestine don't have EVERY RIGHT TO HATE THE GUTS OF EVERY ISRAELI?

The miracle is that in spite of Israel crimes, the crimes you support, that there isn't MORE hatred!

Don't you dare take that imperious tone with me. People in Palestine lived in relative peace before the Zionists showed up.

Every single Israeli, with the exception of a few ultra religious takes part in implementing Israel's illegal, violent military occupation. Talk about teaching people to hate!

If this isn't hate, I don't know what is:


You are a sick, twisted hypocrite. I debase myself by even interacting with you here.






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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 01:04 PM
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15. Do you really belive that the only reason
Palestinian children might hate Israel oh wait its all Jews that the standard line isn't it, is that Hamas teaches hatred or is that you want the unknowing to believe that? I am betting on the latter
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 10:52 AM
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13. Good article - and all tthe best of luch to Sheikh Jarrah!
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