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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 10:00 AM Original message |
Fatah: We'll sacrifice victims until Jerusalem is ours |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
1. Sounds peaceful |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
2. Palestinian national enterprise? Work on fruition in Gaza, first. Show some stewardship there. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
3. I've got a great idea. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Not a great idea at all |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Frankly, the history of three millenia of religious mania and hatred |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
66. They tried |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
6. Jewish Fatah delegate nominated to Revolutionary Council |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. He's not Jewish |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. You mean he is not a "practicing Jew" |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. He's ethnically Jewish though not in other ways... |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. He's probably ethnically Jewish |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. He may or may not think of himself as Jewish, but |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #14 |
30. I find after all the is a "breathe mint or is it a gum" parsing |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 10:02 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. That is not so at all. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 10:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I know and you know the parsing that goes on here |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 10:13 AM Response to Reply #33 |
45. After 3000 years |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #14 |
43. I always thought the position was "You're STILL Jewish no matter what you converted to." |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 10:08 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. I do not know of a major denomination of Judaism that holds that. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Still, nobody was spared by the Nazis just because they claimed to have gone Catholic or Lutheran |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. True, but that's the Nazis. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. If a person was killed by the Nazis because "he was a Jew" it is the ulitimate insult |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. It is an insult to someone not to respect their choice of faith |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. You can respect a person's "choice of faith" without insisting that that person forfeited |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. If someone wants to continue to claim a Jewish identity then that is certainly their right |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. No, I'm not saying they are required to do so at all. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Here is what you wrote: |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Well I didn't mean to impose any requirement on the person |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Well it's an interesting question |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 06:50 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. I don't think thats the point being made... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 06:42 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. you're very close - I agree that a Jew alway remains a Jew, just not necessarily "Jewish" |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Yes and no. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. No, I mean he is not Jewish |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 09:13 PM Response to Reply #17 |
29. So you have set yourself as judge as to who is a Jew? |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 10:03 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. No. That's the position of Judaism. n/t |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 10:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Jew enough for Nazi's but not Jew enough for us |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 10:20 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Does the individual have no say in the matter? |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #34 |
47. You're not suggesting that Jews adopt the same racist definition |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 10:47 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Nice try but once again you are still trying to parse |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. No. I'm just stating the position of organized Judaism. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #47 |
64. You made my point thank you n/t |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 10:16 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. No I think each individual can decide for themselves if they are Jewish or not |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 02:36 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Well, you appear to have decided for him.... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #39 |
54. He decided to convert to Islam and become a Muslim |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-11-09 02:27 AM Response to Reply #54 |
67. That's actually my default assumption, but you said it's up to the individual to decide... |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 06:27 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. I tend to agree here about people deciding for themselves.. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 10:53 AM Response to Reply #40 |
51. Define Palestinian Hebrew |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I've never heard the phrase before, so am not out to define it. |
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Lakrosse (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 05:55 AM Response to Original message |
8. so Bibi, for all the trouble with him |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 07:58 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Nutty has not agreed to a two-state solution... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 08:40 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. June 15: Netanyahu Backs 2-State Goal (Washington Post) |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 02:14 AM Response to Reply #10 |
37. Thanks, but I notice he attached a long list of conditions to any support... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
13. It's the same thing for Palestinians to want all of Jerusalem as it is for Israelis to want that |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Well no. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. According to the CBC, Fatah wasn't actually asking for ALL of Jerusalem: |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Maybe. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 02:28 AM Response to Reply #19 |
38. Thanks for posting that correction, Ken.... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Indeed. I think what we saw here was a classic case of disinformation |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
18. Palestinian Fatah Faction Endorses Peace Process, Armed Resistance |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. So which is it? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Both, apparently. |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Assuming the original report is accurate (See Ken's post 19), |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 06:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Actually, they can. |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I'm not talking political truth. I'm talking fact. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. "Anybody that trusts any politician, Israeli or Palestinian or anywhere else, is a fool." |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 06:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Agreed on that point. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Nothing is gained without risk. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 06:32 AM Response to Original message |
41. Seems that there are two threads here which have a lot of parallels |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-10-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #41 |
55. Agreed, but has either report been confirmed accurate? |
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