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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 10:59 AM
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Is worst yet to come?
It is not over yet. The disputed house in Hebron was indeed evacuated, yet the struggle is far from being over. The dangerous and volatile part is still ahead of us. Hundreds of members of the radical settler camp have spread around the hills in Judea and Samaria and from there they are infiltrating Palestinian communities and roads in order to exact what they euphemistically refer to as a price tag. The meaning of this term in less euphemistic terms is pogroms against the Palestinians, and possibly harassment of Israeli security forces, at as many sites as possible, with the declared aim of creating major conflagration in Judea and Samaria.

This mayhem is meant to create the kind of trauma in Israeli public opinion that would prevent further evacuations in the future. Security forces are tasked with a complex mission in the coming hours and days: Curbing the Jewish Intifada at its outset, before the Palestinians respond, before blood is spilled, before we see casualties on both sides, and before Israel is isolated in international public opinion because of the helplessness it displays in handling the rioters. This mission is much more complicated than the evacuation of the house in Hebron.

The relatively smooth evacuation of the house can be credited to the fact that the IDF and police learned and applied the lessons of previous evacuation operations. Therefore, they designated a huge number of forces for the mission, which created a situation whereby the law-breakers were facing an inferior position. The huge number of troops also prevented police officers and soldiers from finding themselves in distressful situations that could have prompted them to resort to unreasonable violence. Meanwhile, using special police forces and Border Guard troops while keeping the IDF away from the physical confrontation was also a wise move. And most importantly the element of surprise.,7340,L-3633938,
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:09 AM
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1. "Judea and Samaria"?
and we cry and moan about the fundamentalism in the arab world ... :(
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:15 AM
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2. Those are acceptable place names
that have been used for centuries. Look them up in Encyclopdia Britannica if you want.
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:18 AM
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3. Acceptable only to ideologues. nt
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:31 AM
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6. Yes those are really the place names,
I have long recognized that fundamentals are a minority in all 3 major religions, Christian, Moslem and Jew. To a lesser degree in other religions.
It is ironic that all preach love thy neighbor to a degree, some more than others look at Hindi and Buddhism for instance, but you still have Hindi radicals too.
The convert or die meme seems to get in there somewhere in almost all religions. Sad, but true.
I used to live in Miami Beach in a building that was mostly Holocaust survivors, they decried the settlements too, still remembering that Palestinians are human too and that if they were not so backed against the walls of hate and bigotry that they did desperate things.
Fundamentals , putting the mental and fun back into hate.
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:20 AM
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4. Why are the Palestinian police in Area A not protecting Palestinians from the pogroms? nt
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:29 AM
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5. Hebron settler riots were out and out pogroms

"An innocent Palestinian family, numbering close to 20 people. All of
them women and children, save for three men. Surrounding them are a few dozen masked Jews seeking to lynch them. A pogrom. This isn't a play on words or a double meaning. It is a pogrom in the worst sense of the word. First the masked men set fire to their laundry in the front yard and then they tried to set fire to one of the rooms in the house. The women cry for help, "Allahu Akhbar." Yet the neighbors are too scared to approach the house, frightened of the security guards from Kiryat Arba who have sealed off the home and who are cursing the journalists who wish to document the events unfolding there.

The cries rain down, much like the hail of stones the masked men hurled at the Abu Sa'afan family in the house. A few seconds tick by before a group of journalists, long accustomed to witnessing these difficult moments, decide not to stand on the sidelines. They break into the home and save the lives of the people inside. The brain requires a minute or two to digest what is taking place. Women and children crying bitterly, their faces giving off an expression of horror, sensing their imminent deaths, begging the journalists to save their lives. Stones land on the roof of the home, the windows and the doors. Flames engulf the southern entrance to the home. The front yard is littered with stones thrown by the masked men. The windows are shattered and the children are frightened. All around, as if they were watching a rock concert, are hundreds of Jewish witnesses, observing the events with great interest, even offering suggestions to the Jewish wayward youth as to the most effective way to harm the family. And the police are not to be seen. Nor is the army.

Ten minutes prior, while the security forces were preoccupied with dispersing the rioters near the House of Contention, black smoke billowed from the wadi separating Kiryat Arba and Hebron. For some reason, none of the senior officers of the police or the army were particularly disturbed by what was transpiring at the foot of Kiryat Arba. Anyone standing hundreds of meters away could notice the dozens of rioters climbing atop the roof of the Abu Sa'afan family home, hurling stones. Only moments later did it become apparent that there were people inside the home.

I quickly descend to the wadi and accost three soldiers. "What do you want from me? The three of us are responsible for the entire sector here," one said, his hand gesturing towards the entire wadi.

"Use your radio to request help," I said. He replies that he is not equipped with a radio.

A group of journalists approach the house. A dilemma. What to do? There are no security forces in the vicinity and now the Jewish troublemakers decided to put the journalists in their crosshairs. We call for the security guards from Kiryat Arba to intervene and put a halt to the lynch. But they surround the home to prevent the arrival of "Palestinian aid."

The home is destroyed and the fear is palpable on the faces of the children. One of the women, Jihad, is sprawled on the floor, half-unconscious. The son, who is gripping a large stick, prepares for the moment he will be forced to face the rioters. Tahana, one of the daughters, refuses to calm down. "Look at what they did to the house, look."

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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 12:17 PM
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7. Exactly. Where were the Palestinian police? It's Area A FCOL!!!!
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 12:27 PM by ProgressiveMuslim
Are Palestinians now forbidden from protecting themselves against marauding settlers?

What has the PA agree to, I wonder?
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