The Anti-Israel Double Standard Watch

[Ian David]

Yet another example of the double standard directed against the Middle East's only democracy--Israel.

Every time Israel kills a terrorist who has murdered Israeli civilians the international community and America's hard left goes crazy, condemning, boycotting, and divesting from the Jewish state. But it totally ignores the indistinguishable actions of other nations.
Yesterday, Russia targeted and killed Shamil Basayev, a Chechnyan terrorist who was also "Vice-President" of Chechnya's separatist movement. The international community applauded the killing of this terrorist, who Russia's President Putin said "deserved retribution". The international community also applauded the targeted killing by American and Allied forces of Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi earlier last month.

I join the applause for the targeted killings of these two mass-murdering terrorist leaders. But I also applaud the targeted killing of anti-Israel terrorists who are engaged in ongoing attacks against Israeli women and children. I regret when innocent people are killed in the process of targeting terrorists, but the fault for that lies entirely with the terrorists who hide behind innocent women and children in order to induce Israel to kill civilians. Yes, Palestinian terrorists want Israel to kill Palestinian women and children. That is part of their strategy. "As one diplomat told the New York Times, "Palestinians have mastered the harsh arithmetic of pain...Palestinian casualties play in their favor and Israel casualties play in their favor. Non-violence doesn't pay." (See my June 25, 2006 Jerusalem Post article "Palestinian terrorists want Israel to kill Palestinian civilians".)

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Again I know that any post relating to Israel will provoke some of the worst anti-Israel and anti-Semitic bigots to crawl out from under their rocks. It will also provoke other bigots to accuse me of supporting torture--something I adamantly oppose and am seeking to prevent as seen here. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5512634

But I will not remain silent in the face of this anticipated bigotry.

Alan Dershowitz

More:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-dershowitz/the-antiisrael-double-st_b_24811.html

[BillZBubb]

1. The Pro-Israeli bullshit.

The "double standard" is about as true as the "liberal media" lie. It's a convenient lie to excuse state terrorism.

[Ian David]

2. Welcome to my ignore list n/t

[Caoimhe]

5. please ignore me as well

I am tired of this recycled crap. It is quite obvious that women and children are dying over there. Innocents are dying. Why don't you care? Why does Kofi Annan and the Pope saying STOP THIS INSANITY NOW.. why do you think that is anti-semitism? Israel is NOT defending herself when she bombs aid convoys and airports and bridges. She is destroying a democracy that up til this point has been very pro-West. I doubt that sentiment will continue with this bloodbath.

[endarkenment]

11. Same here!

[burythehatchet]

33. ditto

[Ian David]

13. Of course I care. I want both sides to "stop the shit" n/t

[GeorgeGist]

15. Then why the single standard?

[MrPrax]

40. But you are willing

to put everyone that disagrees with you on your ignore list?

So you don't really care to hear the opinions of people you disagree with.

You can add me to your ignore list, democrat...

BTW the whole time I have been on DU I have never put a single person on ignore...largely because I watn to hear what people who disagree with me think...

[Violet_Crumble]

35. After reading the Dershowitz crap you posted, can you ignore me too?

:)

[TexasProgresive]

3. What is being deplored is the

killing of innocent civilians not terrorists. But you will see it how you will.

[sgxnk]

4. bravo alan

[endarkenment]

6. Dersh is big on torture too.

Another lost one. Too bad.

[acmavm]

7. The Bull Shitometer just went off the charts.

[Jim Sagle]

8. You RRRRRAWWWWWWK, IanDB1!!!! And so does Israel.

:toast:

[Ian David]

12. I don't feel much like cheerleading for Israel lately. They don't "rock"..

right now.

Both sides need to "stop the shit."

[Name removed]

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[Catherine Vincent]

14. Oh my God!

I didn't know that there were actual pictures out there of Rachel actually getting run down by that bulldozer. :-( Was there anyone in the Israel government that was punished for that tragedy? God that is sad and horrible what happened to her!

[reichstag911]

16. I didn't know...

...'til I saw 'em on a thread here yesterday. As for any consequences to any Israelis, I highly doubt it, and I've seen nothing that would indicate there have been.

[Retired AF Dem]

38. Lack of common sense

kills more people than anything else. Commonsense tells me to move out of the way when a bulldozer is approaching me. "The Darwin" awards was created for people like Rachel.

[Ian David]

18. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about...

I have been vocal in supporting peace and in criticising Israel's actions as well.

I'm just fed up with the Israel: Always Wrong attitude by you and your fellow travelers.

And I will GLADLY add you to my ignore list.

There is only so much hate and bigotry and wilful ignorance that I can take from the likes of you.

[reichstag911]

19. You know what?

I've seen so many of your posts, generally poorly reasoned and written, that I can't fucking believe you're even here at DU. Where do you see me advocate an "Israel: Always Wrong" mindset, you stupid fuck? By the same token, unlike you, and despite your claim to evenhandedness in dispensing culpability, I certainly don't swallow the Dershowitz line whole, either.

And "fellow traveler?" Nice one, Tailgunner Joe. That really hurt. :eyes::rofl:

"There is only so much hate and bigotry and wilful ignorance that I can take from the likes of you?" Lemme guess, like Jack Nicholson's character, Melvin Udall, in As Good As It Gets," you're already "all stocked up," right?

[jonnyblitz]

20. i haven't seen many from his side that have written well

reasoned posts. from my experience, they don't read links that you provide or acknowledge most of what you say, they just wail and ring their hands and make silly claims that if you critize Israel you are for the terrorists, sort of like the bush crowd when you criticize the Iraq war.

[reichstag911]

21. He's a fucking moron,...

...and he presumes to insult and swear at me.

Is it just me, or does his (and many others') reasoning mirror the Dear Leader's "You're either with us or you're with the terrorists" ideology?

[jonnyblitz]

24. no, it's not just you. trust me. nt

[cali]

22. Ah yes

nothing like generalizations when you're trying to demean or dismiss those who hold ideas in opposition to your own.

You're getting sloppy in your comments. You're smarter than that.

[jonnyblitz]

23. it's my subjective experience, call it what you want , I don't care.

some things can be generalized, not everything needs links and footnotes. and it is purely subjective.

and what you accuse me of is exactly what they have done and thus MY comments that you think are sloppy. that I am a fringe element and that is why i am ostracized and nobody likes people like me and why we lose elections because my ilk is associated with DEMS. so pardon me for generalizing.

[pelsar]

31. because theres a feeding frenzy going on here.....

to explain the israeli position takes time an intelligence as well as a bit of understanding geopolitics as well as local politics with some history thrown in....all of that doesnt go to well with the hundreds of posts here that claim:

israel is targeting children
isael is testing new weapons
israel is going after iran
israel doesnt care about its soldiers it wants lebanon
this was planned, therefore israel is evil
zionism is racism

we've got false quotes attibuted to israelis, we've got poster using fringe groups and saying their mainstream, with the liberty incident thrown in for good measure.....

this place resembles the typical white power websites.

reasoned responses require a reasoned beginning point....i have a hard time finding them here.

[Catherine Vincent]

28. So why was that post deleted with the pics of Ms. Corey?

I don't understand.

[reichstag911]

29. It's Corrie, and I don't know.

Probably my critical remarks about her murder by the Israelis. To my knowledge, the post yesterday where I got the pix was not deleted. The rules are clearly open to very broad interpretations by the mods, I guess.

[leveymg]

10. You may be busy hitting that ignore button.

There are about 90,000 more to go.

This issue is gut-wrenching for many of us. We're not all going to agree about how to look at it. But, I don't see a lot of real cold-blooded hatred and bigotry here.

Peace, Ian.

[Meshuga]

17. Great article by Alan Dershowitz...

...showing the sentiments of Progressive Jews who believe in the rights for Israel to exist and protect herself from neighbors who vow to wipe Israel off the map.

Palestinian casualties (the death of innocent Palestinian women and children) play in the Palestinian terrorists' favor (as we can see with some of the sentiment expressed here in DU) and Israel casualties play in their favor. Non-violence doesn't pay.

It is convenient for Hezbollah to hide behind civilians and use them as shield.

(edited for spelling)

[ShortnFiery]

25. It's pathetic distortions and propaganda ...

No ONE segment of human race is self destructive.

Both the Government of Israel and Hezbollah consist of HUMAN BEINGS.

You are trying to make HUMAN BEINGS as an entire group, appear sub-human.

IMO Alan Dershowitz is a Neo-Con Moron. :puke: :thumbsdown:

[Jim Sagle]

26. Actually he's a staunch Democrat. But don't let that stop you from puking.

[Meshuga]

27. Am I the one...

...trying to make a group of human beings appear sub-human? I think the ones using civilians as human shield are the ones who consider a group of people (civilians) sub-human.

"No ONE segment of human race is self destructive"
Tell that to suicide bombers and to the group that glorifies suicide bombers.

[reichstag911]

30. How about these nice folks...

...and their use of human shields: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=137530 ?

[Meshuga]

32. I agree there should be an investigation

and if the allegations are true they must be prosecuted.

[reichstag911]

34. I really doubt...

...that'll happen. It's only a cowardly act or a war crime when someone other than Israel/US does it.

[Meshuga]

36. You are the one saying that

In my opinion it is a crime when either side commit the crime. And I think it should be investigated.

If these IDF soldiers really commited a war crime they should be prosecuted.

[reichstag911]

37. Did I neglect...

...to insert my sarcasm emoticon? I didn't realize it was necessary. :P

[JackNewtown]

39. He is generally right

There is a double standard regarding Israel's assassinations of terrorists and those done by other countries. Remember the international outcry when Hamas' Yassin was killed?

Dershowitz claims Israel is the only democracy in the ME. I know that has long been a favorite PR tool of some but it is a flat-out lie now. Iraq and Lebanon are both democracies as well.

[Marie26]

41. There is also a pro-Israeli

double standard as well, on stations like Fox News. It seems impossible to fidn a truly impartial source.