Is there a difference between "Assault rifle" vs. "Assault weapon"?

[petronius]

Are these two terms the same? I feel like I'm seeing people use "assault weapon" to mean the automatic, military, machine gun versions and "assault rifle" for the semi-automatic version (as defined by the AWB) - is this correct?

(By the way, "assault" is a difficult word to type repeatedly - it starts to look really odd...)

[ixion]

1. in general terms...

a rifle is a specific instrument, whereas a weapon can be anything.

That is just a basic semantic distinction though. :-)

[slackmaster]

2. Assault weapon is a legal term

Generally referring to what is properly called a "semiautomatic assault weapon" as defined in Section 921 of Title 18 of the United States Code. See http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/921.html and search for the word "assault".

"Assault rifle" typically refers to a selective-fire (with burst or fully automatic capability), magazine- (not belt-) fed shoulder fired weapon that fires a medium power cartridge. Examples would include the real military AK-47 along with its decendents and variants, and the US military M16 and variants.

Using those definitions the terms are mutually exclusive as far as federal law goes, because anything that fires more than one round per trigger pull is legally a "machinegun" (search for that word in Section 921 as well).

[MrBenchley]

3. Generally

a rifle needs two hands, a pistol does not. Both can be assault weapons.

The actual legal definition of what would be covered under the assault weapons ban is easy to find...go to Thomas Register

http://thomas.loc.gov/

and search for SB1431, sponsored by 15 Democrats including John Kerry...or HR2038, sponsored by 111 Democrats....

[Bowline]

4. Assault rifle is specific to military weapons.

Specifically they are rifle caliber, shoulder fired, fully automatic capable battlefield weapons. The "assault weapons" mentioned in the ill-named AWB are semi-auto only rifles that bear a cosmetic resemblance to real assault rifles. Kind of like my Ford Taurus or Chevy Monte Carlo bears only a cosmetic difference to the ones you might see racing on Sundays. They look similar but are in fact quite different in both purpose and operation.

Your question is quite valid and things would be quite a bit more clear if more people asked the same question.

[CarinKaryn]

5. One hand vs two

The small "assault weapons" like the Uzis, Mac 10's, Glocks, Tec9, etc. (like those used at Columbine) are designed to be spray fired with one hand. The larger "assault rifles" like M16s, Ruger's, AKs (like those seen in the North Hollywood BofA robbery) are too powerful for one handed use and are fired using both hands or from a bipod support.

[JayS]

8. I assume this was sarcasm?

[slackmaster]

9. Uzis and MAC 10s have shoulder stocks

For control and accuracy it's essential to brace them against the shoulder, especially when firing full-auto.

Glocks and TEC-9s are handguns.

[CarinKaryn]

10. "Hand" gun - so what

The rifles require two hands, the assault weapons only one. Glocks and Tec-9s are banned assault weapons.

And you can put a stock on an Uzi, just like you can cut a shotgun down to pistol size, so the stock has nothing to do with it.

[FeebMaster]

11. Glocks are banned assault weapons?

Another AWB supporter who hasn't bothered to read it.

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12. Likewise....

So is a Ruger (Ruger, what?) :eyes:

[CarinKaryn]

15. I'll answer your unasked question

Ruger fully automatic version of the Mini 14 - Banned Assault Rifle.
Mini 14 - no functional difference tween this and the civilian version of the M16 -should be banned assault rifle but was delibertly excluded in order to "compromise" with the gun lobby.

but you knew this already.

[leanings]

21. Ruger-

the fully automatic version of the Ruger is the AC556, which is illegal for a citizen to possess w/out a Class III permit. Nothing at all to do with the AWB. And the only similarities between the AR-15 and the Mini-14 is the fact that they are the same caliber and are semiautomatic. I guess they both have hyphens and numbers in their names, too. I don't think that the Mini-14 was excluded from the ban in order to compromise with the gun lobby, tho. It's a pretty popular gun with ranchers, altho I'm not sure how much influence they wield. It was probably excluded because it lacked a. bayonet lug, b. flash "hider" c. pistol grip and therefore didn't meet the requirements of that POS soon-to-be-in-the-dustbin-of-history legislation.

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24. LOL!

"Ruger fully automatic version of the Mini 14 - Banned Assault Rifle".

So now a f-u-l-l-y a-u-t-o-m-a-t-i-c (I typed it out slow so you could absorb and comprehend it), is now a "banned assault rifle"... interesting.

Bonus question: what is the model number of the "f-u-l-l-y a-u-t-o-m-a-t-i-c" Ruger Mini-14?

Mini 14 - no functional difference tween this and the civilian version of the M16 -should be banned assault rifle

First you say it is a banned assault rifle, now you say it "should" be a "banned assault rifle". Which is it? The original poster asked for the definition. Not your poorly information based opinion.

"but was deliberately excluded in order to "compromise" with the gun lobby".

It was? And you can supply a reference for that?

Lets see.... So far we have....

Glocks are "assault weapons"

F-u-l-l-y a-u-t-o-m-a-t-i-c" Ruger Mini-14s are "assault weapons"

There is no difference between Uzis with stocks and "cut down" shotguns.

The Mini-14 "was deliberately excluded in order to "compromise" with the gun lobby".

I bow to your firearms and legal expertise.

But you knew this already.
:eyes:

[CarinKaryn]

13. Glock 18 - fully automatic assault weapon

Banned in US.
Other model Glock assault weapons soon to banned in Calif as they are of an unsafe design, having hair triggers and lacking external safeties.

And the question had nothing to do with the assault weapon ban. It asked for the diff tween assault weapons and assault rifles. But you knew that. So try to get informed and stay on task before you fling out insults - because your ingnorance shows.

[FeebMaster]

14. Actually the Glock 18 is a machine gun

not an assault weapon. It is completely unaffected by the AWB.

And the question had nothing to do with the assault weapon ban. It asked for the diff tween assault weapons and assault rifles. But you knew that. So try to get informed and stay on task before you fling out insults - because your ingnorance shows.

Clearly the question did have to do with the AWB since assault weapons are defined by the AWB, not to mention the original poster mentioned the AWB right in the first post. But then you knew that, so try to get informed and stay on task before you fling out insults.

[leanings]

17. lol....gawd n/t

n/t

[OpSomBlood]

18. This is one of the most ignorant gun posts in Gungeon history.

Congratulations, I guess.

But for your edification, if Glocks are of such an "unsafe" design, then why do so many police departments around the globe (including in the United States) swear by them? Why would people who carry guns for a living be willing to carry something that was "unsafe"?

The only "safety" on a Glock is the trigger. It is physically impossible to cause a Glock to fire without pulling the trigger. That is the philosophy behind the design, and it is far and away the safest design I've encountered yet. I know nothing of this "hair trigger" you speak of, and I have owned four Glock pistols myself. They certainly don't come from the factory that way.

Glock has never manufactured a single firearm that is classified as an "assault weapon" by the 1994 ban. The Glock 18 is a submachine gun designed for military use only and is banned for importation by the 1986 FOPA.

Please seriously reconsider calling people "ignorant" about guns and demanding they "get informed" when you have obviously not bothered to do it yourself.

[CarinKaryn]

20. Better ignorant than delibertly deceitful

I'm neither.

if Glocks are of such a safe design why is Calif banning them? Why does NY insist that the standard, factory installed triggers be replaced with a heavier spring to prevent accidential discharges? Why does Glock have a 3.5 hairtrigger listed on their website? Why do they refuse to design their guns with a safety? What is the Glock "KaBoom!" that is well documented? Why did Glock replace hundreds of unsafe weapons purchased by police departments?

Now you want another term? We can't call a "submachine gun designed for military use" an assault weapon? How about calling it a "love gun" instead?

Glock - wasn't that the assault weapon (or love gun) the right wing racist used to kill the letter carrier -- after he so bravely shot up the Jewish Children's center?

[leanings]

22. Glock is just a brand of semi-auto pistol.

No different from Sigs or Berettas or Smiths or a dozen other brands. Most Sigs and many designs offered by the other brands don't have external safeties either. The "hair trigger" thing is pretty open to debate, I'll give you that, as is the KB issue, but it certainly doesn't the Glock an "assault weapon". I'll answer your questions with another question: why are Glocks the most popular sidearm for police officers in the US, including Cali?

On edit: and rereading your post, are you still under the impression that Glocks are full-auto? One Glock model, the 18, is a machine pistol, similar to the Beretta 93R or the Stechkin. That's it. Models 17 and 19-30something are all conventional semi-auto pistols, basically the same thing that's been in use for the last 100 years or so. I believe there are only something like 3 or 4 transferable Glock 18s in the US.

[DoNotRefill]

27. there are NO transferrable glock 18s in the country.

they came out AFTER the May 19, 1986 cutoff on transferrables.

That are a fair number of post-samples floating around though if you've got the juice (SOT status) to get them.

[leanings]

39. I stand corrected.

Thought I remembered reading something different.

[slackmaster]

43. I've fired a G18

Mildly amusing but not practical for any use I'm familiar with. They eat ammo like nobody's business. The first shot, maybe two, are aimable. Maybe very short bursts would be useful for something.

[leanings]

48. Yeah,

I never really got where it was supposed to fit in. I guess if you can keep it down to two and three round bursts or if you're planning on engaging multiple targets in an elevator it might be handy.

[OpSomBlood]

51. I couldn't see a SMG without a fore grip.

It just doesn't seem controllable. But Morpheus sure seemed to like his G18 in Matrix Reloaded.

I think the main character in Terminator 3 used one, too.

[leanings]

60. I saw an Asian ganster

shooting one off of his crotch rocket on "The Shield". The evidence is overwhelming; Glock 18s are everywhere and are unusually deadly.

[slackmaster]

61. Didn't somebody have one in "Heat" as well?

Or am I thinking of another movie?

[leanings]

64. Was it

the one Al Pacino used?

I think maybe there was one in "Ronin". Don't remember one in "Heat".

[slackmaster]

73. I think you're right, it was Ronin

I get it.

:smoke:

[OpSomBlood]

69. No, no G18's in Heat.

A great flick, by the way...even if you can see the safety baffles inside the barrel of Pacino's rifle during the robbery scene.

[CarinKaryn]

52. Interesting ...

someone said the 18 is not available to civilians. Is it legal for you to possess one?

[slackmaster]

55. If a Special Occupational Taxpayer who owns one legally lets me shoot it

Then it's perfectly legal for me to possess it while I shoot it, and that's exactly what happened.

[CarinKaryn]

74. ok. i believe you.

:eyes:

[OpSomBlood]

78. It is not illegal to fire a machine gun.

If the machine gun is legally owned and you are in the presence of the owner. People fire machine guns at ranges all the time.

[Name removed]

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[RoeBear]

93. What the hell is a ...

...special occupational taxpayer?

[slackmaster]

95. I believe means someone who deals in post-1986 machineguns

I'm not very clear on the concept. The owner of the G18 is a machinegun dealer who sells to police departments.

[MrSandman]

103. But gun control laws are so refined.

:eyes:

[DoNotRefill]

104. When referring to firearms, Special Occupational Taxpayer is....

person who holds a FFL, and has paid an additional tax to be able to deal in or manufacture machineguns.

It's another way of saying a "Class 3" FFL.

[DoNotRefill]

107. Some animals are more equal than others.

If I wanted to get a Glock 18 legally, I could. I don't want to spend the money to do so.

[OpSomBlood]

23. So I guess it was the make of the gun that caused the massacre.

I think California is a pretty poor example of "sane and open-minded" gun control legislation. That state simultaneously has some of the strictest gun laws and highest gun violence rate. What a peculiar coincidence!

Glocks do not have a "hair trigger." Whoever convinced you of this is lying to you.

Glocks do not need a "safety" by virtue of their internal design. The only way you can make a Glock fire is to pull it's trigger. You can throw it at a brick wall and it will not fire. If you own a Glock and are so concerned about inadvertantly pulling the trigger (in which case, you shouldn't be owning a gun), then you should keep the chamber empty.

As for your creative terminology...sorry, a machine gun is not an "assault weapon" as defined by the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban. Weapons that fire more than one shot per trigger pull are not restricted in any way by the ban.

If the gun grabbers want to go inventing new terms, the least they can do is stick to the definitions they come up with. A machine gun is not an "assault weapon"...there is a law on the books that clearly defines what an "assault weapon" is, and around here we stick to that definition.

The Glock 18 is banned for importation by the 1986 Firearm Owner's Protection Act. It is moot to argue the legality of such a weapon when it is already illegal to own.

[CarinKaryn]

25. Gee, leanings says there is a hair trigger...

...you say there is not. Who to believe?

How about GLOCK! They sell a 3.5 hair trigger. But you knew that.

NY has even the standard, heavier trigger replaced, as that also is too light to be used safely. But you knew that. And you say Glocks don't need a safety? Sure. And they don't have a problem with accidental discharges either (Google is your friend ).

[OpSomBlood]

30. Trigger pulls taken from Glock's website:

http://glock.com/pistols.htm

Looks like you're wrong. Not a single Glock pistol has a factory trigger pull of 3.5 lb.:

Glock 17: 0.5", 5.5 lb.
Glock 19: 0.5", 5.5 lb.
Glock 20: 0.5", 5.5 lb.
Glock 21: 0.5", 5.5 lb.
Glock 22: 0.5", 5.5 lb.
Glock 23: 0.5", 5.5 lb.
Glock 24 (competition long barrel): 0.5", 4.5 lb.
Glock 25: 0.5", 5.5 lb.
Glock 26: 0.5", 5.5 lb.
Glock 27: 0.5", 5.5 lb.
Glock 28: 0.5", 5.5 lb.
Glock 29: 0.5", 5.5 lb.
Glock 30: 0.5", 5.5 lb.
Glock 31: 0.5", 5.5 lb.
Glock 32: 0.5", 5.5 lb.
Glock 33: 0.5", 5.5 lb.
Glock 34 (competition long barrel): 0.5", 4.5 lb.
Glock 35 (competition long barrel): 0.5", 4.5 lb.
Glock 36: 0.5", 5.5 lb.

[CarinKaryn]

38. Delibert Deception?

or just ignorant?

Google the terms: "glock 3.5 lb trigger"

You know what the results will be.

So why did you bother to list all the different models and yet you failed to list the 3.5 lb trigger? I think you protest TOO much.

And this is even LIGHTER than the trigger NY feels is unsafe for their trained police officers to use (I guess their fingers get tired quicker with the heavier pull. This makes them stop shooting after, oh say, 41 shots. Can you imagine how many times they'd be able to shoot unarmed minorities if it only took 3.5 lbs of pressure to pull the trigger?)

[slackmaster]

40. OK, I googled "glock 3.5 lb trigger"

Actually I Yahoo!'ed it. Same thing.

None of the responses on the first several pages go to Glock's Web site.

I doubt that any of them do.

Care to prove otherwise?

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=glock+3.5+lb+trigger&ei=UTF-8&cop=mss&xargs=0&pstart=1&fr=FP-tab-web-t&b=61

[CarinKaryn]

50. Interesting. You say "google"...

...but you cite yahoo. Delibert deception?

Anyone else interested in this subject, google the terms I supplied. And remember, NY feels that even the 5.5 lb trigger is unsafe for their trained police officers, much less the Glock 3.5 hair trigger.

[slackmaster]

53. Yahoo uses the Google search engine

It gives similar results to Google. The point is that none of the links are to the Glock company's site.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=glock+3.5+lb+trigger&btnG=Google+Search

[OpSomBlood]

56. Are you intentionally misspelling "deliberate"?

And "Google" is a pretty commonly-accepted generic verb for a web search.

[CarinKaryn]

63. Best you could do? Making fun of spelling? Misplaces commas?

I'll spell it out.
1) Go to: www.google.com
2) Enter the terms I listed.
3) Get the results I cited.

Or you can continue to pretend that "google" means "yahoo" and you'll get different results.

[leanings]

65. I've done better.

As have several other posters. We've clearly explained to you what those web results are talking about. Are you going to respond to those explanations?

[OpSomBlood]

67. I'm not making fun of your spelling.

You have used the word "delibert" several times in this thread, I was wondering if it was intentional.

Again, why in the hell should we go Google a bunch of websites when glock.com offers detailed engineering specifications of every pistol they make? You are claiming that Glocks have a 3.5 lb. trigger pull, and there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary...most namely the fact that I have owned four Glocks and never witnessed this phenomenon.

[CarinKaryn]

72. I'll make it super duper easy.

http://glockmeister.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/220

You're welcome.

[slackmaster]

75. That's not an official Glock Web site

Glock Meister is a dealer.

"Glockmeister is a Glock distributor for parts and accessories..."

:argh:

[CarinKaryn]

82. "We use Factory Glock 3.5# Connectors"

Ok, they are not offical factory glock 3.5# connectors. If you say so.

[OpSomBlood]

88. Also at Glockmeister.com:

Factory 5.0 lb connector:

http://glockmeister.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/10_17/products_id/275

Factory 8.0 lb connector:

http://glockmeister.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/10_17/products_id/276

These are all aftermarket modification parts. Glocks do not come from the factory with a 3.5, 5.0 or 8.0 lb. trigger pull. I could modify a Glock to have a 1 ounce trigger pull if I wanted...that doesn't prove your alleged point one iota.

[slackmaster]

90. So what?

General Motors doesn't sell race cars but it makes and sells specialty parts to modify some of its street cars for racing.

Pistols with light trigger pulls are useful only to target shooters. They are built to custom specs.

[leanings]

92. They don't come installed on the pistols.

Again: you can adjust the trigger pull of your weapon for any weight you please as long as you're willing to spend the $. The "Glocks are dangerous because they have 3.5 hair triggers" argument is specious and has been busted here about 20 times in the last hour. Where is the miscommunication here?

[OpSomBlood]

76. You seem to be the one who needs the help.

You have been claiming that Glocks are coming from the factory with "hair triggers" of 3.5 lb. and that they are being banned because of how "unsafe" they are. You even claimed that the NYPD is no longer using Glocks because of their factory 3.5 lb. trigger.

I have clearly demonstrated that Glocks do not and never have been manufactured with a 3.5 lb. trigger pull. I also clearly stated that you can modify any pistol to have any trigger pull you want.

Then you post a link to an aftermarket trigger spring. How exactly this proves that Glocks come from the factory with "unsafe" triggers is well beyond my comprehension.

You are clearly well outside of your element in this conversation. I beseech you to stop embarrassing yourself.

[Name removed]

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[CarinKaryn]

79. dear? Nice. Just what I expect.

[OpSomBlood]

83. Yeah, I guess condescension from you is A-OK.

At least we have the slightest semblance of what we are talking about.

[leanings]

89. OK, sorry, I guess.

I fully apologize for terms of endearment. How about ignoring that part and acknowledging the rest of the post(s)?

[Redneck Socialist]

91. That is a modification you can have done on your gun

Glock does not produce a gun with a 3.5 pound trigger pull.

[Name removed]

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[leanings]

42. OK

I see where you're confused. That's an optional aftermarket piece sold for Glocks. You can cut any semi-auto handgun you want down to as little pull as you want. You can make a Colt .45 with a .5 lb trigger if you so desired. It's not a factory option; you have to go out and buy it and install it on your individual weapon in order to get that pull.

[slackmaster]

47. Gun manufacturers are concerned about liability suits

None of them will sell a factory pistol with a 3.5 pound trigger pull in the US.

There are plenty of aftermarket parts and plenty of gunsmiths who can reduce any gun's trigger pull to any level you're willing to pay for.

[Redneck Socialist]

62. I'll play

Though I should know better.

OK so I googled "glock 3.5 lb trigger" and this is what popped up http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976242242.htm an aftermarket part that changes the length of pull and the weight that the trigger breaks at.

Indeed the whole first page was various companies selling this product. So it is clear that you could have an armorer modify the trigger on your glock, it (as OpSomBlood pointed out)is also clear that Glock doesn't produce a gun with a trigger pull of 3.5 pounds.

[CarinKaryn]

68. You're probalby capable of counting to 7

So count down 7 or 8 cites and see the reference to FACTORY Glock 3.5 springs.

[Name removed]

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[slackmaster]

80. What reference?

You haven't posted a link or other cite to support your statement yet.

[Redneck Socialist]

81. Which is an aftermarket part not standard on glock pistols.

[slackmaster]

87. Wherever the parts come from, Glock does not make or sell pistols...

...with 3.5-pound trigger pulls.

Light triggers are used only by expert and wannabe expert target shooters to reduce the deflection of the gun when the trigger is pulled.

[DoNotRefill]

105. That's not quite true.

Glock DOES make a 3.5 pound trigger, but they are not generally for sale in the US due to liability issues. I get mine from Switzerland. I use 3.5 pound triggers to minimize the amount of effort required to fire them, therefore minimizing muzzle travel while firing.

[leanings]

37. Please don't blatantly misquote me.

Especially when the quote is only two posts above. If you're going to attempt to work me into the debate I'd prefer you respond to one of my posts or answer one of the questions I've posed to you. Thanks!

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57. There used to be an anti-gun poster here...

that was just as hysterical and uninformed. She/he had the username T****k T**k and Z******a.

Some things here never change.

:shrug:

[CarinKaryn]

66. I've been on DU for a long time.

Haven't posted much, but I've been lurking for a while.
Calling out a poster or accusing them of being a freeper or imposter is against the rules. If you have a complaint, take it up with the mods.
Put up or shut up.

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99. Really? Relax.

"Haven't posted much, but I've been lurking for a while.
Calling out a poster or accusing them of being a freeper or imposter is against the rules".


No calling out, no accusation of being a "freeper" or "impostor". Just some historical perspective with regards to some of the more insane laughable lunacy that has been posted here in the past.
If you've been lurking here for "awhile", then perhaps you can fill in the ******?

There are others (past and present), but there's only a few that have given me a few chuckles... you're one of them.


"If you have a complaint, take it up with the mods.
Put up or shut up".

Why would I do that? The more you post the more you hurt your cause.

Think about it....

[MrSandman]

102. Welcome back...

Used to see you around a little more.

[slackmaster]

34. California is NOT banning Glocks

There are presently 25 models for sale. See http://justice.doj.ca.gov/safeguns/safeguns_new.taf

And nobody has asked me to turn mine in.

:eyes:

Why does Glock have a 3.5 hairtrigger listed on their website?

Maybe because they DON'T???

Example: http://www.glock.com/g17.htm

:dunce:


We can't call a "submachine gun designed for military use" an assault weapon?...

CarinKaryn,

I support your right to call anything whatever you feel like. If you insist on using nonstandard English be my guest. But you will be laughed at.

[OpSomBlood]

45. I have already linked to Glock's specifications page.

Not a single pistol manufactured by Glock (including the diabolical G18) has a 3.5 lb. factory trigger pull.

This person obviously lends more credence to VPC hyperventilating than to the engineering specifications of the weapons she is panting about.

[DoNotRefill]

26. heh...

"Other model Glock assault weapons soon to banned in Calif as they are of an unsafe design, having hair triggers and lacking external safeties."

So what are California cops gonna use?

There is SO much ignorance floating around among the anti-gunners...


"because your ingnorance shows."

Pot, meet Kettle.

[CarinKaryn]

28. Ever notice the difference tween cops and civilians?

Do you get to carry around saps and bean-bag shotguns? Pepper spray? Handcuffs and body armor? Does your car have little lights on the top? Switchblade?

Cops have specialized training and tools to do a specialized job. You, do not.
Nuff said.

[OpSomBlood]

32. I have more firearms training than most cops.

In fact, I've met quite a few police officers who have no business whatsoever handling a firearm.

But if you want to live in a world where only the military and police are armed, have at it.

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35. Earth to CarinKaryn.

You've been watching too many movies. Cops carrying "switchblades"?!?!

Maybe in "Dirty Harry".

[slackmaster]

36. Psst - The switchblade is called a "throwaway knife"

If you know what I mean.

:tinfoilhat:

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46. Yes.

But they are better trained in their use and employment than you or I.
(it's in the LAPD SOP and regulations manual).

[slackmaster]

49. Hehe, but seriously about switchblade knives

I have one at home. I use it to cut open the shrink wrap on CDs, DVDs, etc. Even if it was legal to carry I wouldn't. It's too prone to misadventures and I like my good old folding lock-blade Buck knife much better.

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58. I hope it doesn't have a "hair trigger"?

[slackmaster]

59. The trigger (i.e. button) is pretty senstive

Enough so that I wouldn't want to endanger my genitalia by having the thing in my hip pocket without also having the safety switch engaged, which makes it more of a hassle to open than the Buck.

The Buck holds an edge a lot better. The switchblade is an interesting novelty but not practical as a weapon IMO.

[MrSandman]

70. Like an old revolver...n/t

[DoNotRefill]

106. There's very, very little that cops have that I can't get.

I don't carry a sap or beanbag shotgun, pepper spray or handcuffs, or a switchblade because I don't need them. I do carry a knife I can open one-handed, a handgun, and I have a full set of Level IV-A body armor.

I could get flash-bangs, but why bother? I don't need them, certainly not enough to pay the tax on them.

[Columbia]

108. Well, they do have a nationally recognized CCW now

No tax stamp can get you that.

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98. "So what are California cops gonna use?"

"Switchblades". Switchblades with a 3.5lbs "hair trigger" pull.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x75987#76029

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16. Care to cite...

which portion of the AWB classifies a Glock; any Glock, as a "banned
assault weapon"?

"And you can put a stock on an Uzi, just like you can cut a shotgun down to pistol size, so the stock has nothing to do with it".

According to the VPC/MMM/Brady Campaign it does. Are you disagreeing with them?

Cutting down a shotgun is NFA territory (been in effect since 1934). Like wise so are shoulder stocked firearms with a barrel less than 16" (SBR's- Short Barreled Rifles). Neither nor has anything to do with the AWB.

[slackmaster]

29. Wrong in every possible way

The rifles require two hands, the assault weapons only one.

Rifles and shotguns require two hands to be fired safely, and are designed braced against the shoulder.

Some assault weapons are rifles. Some rifles are assault weapons.

Some assault weapons are pistols. Some pistols are assault weapons.

Some assault weapons are shotguns. Some shotguns are assault weapons.

Glocks and Tec-9s are banned assault weapons.

Glock makes only pistols and NONE OF THEM are assault weapons! One model, the selective-fire Glock G18, is legally a machinegun (and therefore not an assault weapon).

Pre-ban TEC-9 pistols are assault weapons. Post-ban TEC-9 pistols are not assault weapons.

Pistols can be shot with one hand. Most people use two.

And you can put a stock on an Uzi...

Uzis come with stocks.

...just like you can cut a shotgun down to pistol size...

Which creates what's known under federal law as an "any other weapon" or AOW, and in a completely different legal status than ordinary shotguns. AOWs are not assault weapons.

so the stock has nothing to do with it.

If you mean the stock has nothing to do with whether or not something is an assault weapon that's also incorrect. Folding stocks and pistol grips are among the features that define assault weapons.

[Retired AF Dem]

44. Where have you been?

Submachine guns shoot pistol ammo
Assault rifles or weapons or what ever the fucking name is today shoots wimpy sub rifle rounds, 5.56mm 7.62x39
Battle rifles shoot man sized bullets 30.06 7.62 Nato
No penis references needed.

[MrSandman]

84. And here I thought...

Battle Rifles were pre-1944 semi-auto military arms; M1903, M1 Garand, Mauser 98, etc.

Do I feel silly.

:silly:

[Retired AF Dem]

109. Almost there

not many have been made since that time frame, M-14, FN-FAL, HK G-3.

[Name removed]

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[petronius]

6. Thanks for the replies

Thanks for the definitions and links - answers come pretty quickly in the Gungeon!

[FeebMaster]

7. You've got them backward.

Assault weapon is the semi-automatic version defined by the AWB. Assault rifle is the military, machine gun version. Although, the gun grabbers tend to use them interchangeably either through ignorance or deliberate dishonesty.

[OpSomBlood]

19. It's deliberate dishonesty.

The more people who think that the AWB applies to machine guns, the better for them.

[thomas82]

31. I am amazed

At how most of the anti-gun crowd are so ignorant on the Assault weapon ban and the common characteristics between semi auto hunting rifles (Ruger Mini-14/ Reminton 742) and Assault rifles (M16).

Using the opinions expressed in the previous post the Reminton 1100 (semi auto hunting shotgun)



and the Reminton 742 (semi auto hunting rifle) would too be considered an Assault weapons.





The problem with this kind of ignorant thinking is it will one day create a ban on all semi auto rifles. The problem is if the anti's have their way they will ban all guns in the USA then swords will be next, can you say United States of Australia?
Tom

[OpSomBlood]

33. Like I've said, if they want to "close the loopholes"...

They would have to ban all semi-automatic rifles. None of the grabbers have the political temerity to suggest such a broad-reaching ban.

[thomas82]

85. Amazing No comments?

Well due to the lack of comments perhaps we have gotten thru to some of the Pro AWB people.Perhaps alot of people see this as a useless law and thus will let the AWB die.
Tom

[MrBenchley]

97. Oh no!! Not Australia!!

You guys are too too funny.

[leanings]

86. CarinKaryn

Can we get back to why Glocks are assault weapons again? Or the status of the Mini-14? I think these thing have more to do with the topic of the post and I have no idea exactly what your misconceptions concerning those weapons are, exactly. (Other than the trigger pull of the Glock; I understand your misconception there. But I think that's been pretty fully covered.)

[thomas82]

94. well

The Glock/Mini-14 are not Assault Weapons. The Glock is a semi auto pistol used for self defense and the Mini-14 is a semi auto hunting rifle. Next question.
Tom

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100. "Can we get back to why Glocks are assault weapons again? "

Details... who cares? It's pointless arguing with a person "knowledgeable" about firearms (like the ones you meet at gun shows).

No that it matters, but this has to be one of the most ridiculous, drifting off-topic threads posted here in J/PS.

I feel guilty even contributing to it.

:nuke:

[MrSandman]

101. Wrong post to reply

[Wickerman]

110. Locking, asked, answered

minor flame fests and, the omni-present definition of the AWB was clearly outlined once again. Scintillating reading.