Now the gun industry is pimping body armour piercing handguns

[billbuckhead]

Violence Policy Center Warns Nation's Law Enforcement Officers of New Handgun Threat to Police Body Armor

New VPC Study, Vest Buster: The .500 Smith & Wesson Magnum—The Gun Industry's Latest Challenge to Law Enforcement Body Armor, Documents That the "Most Powerful Handgun In the World" Has Armor-Penetrating Power That Can Pierce the Highest Level of Bullet-Resistant Patrol Vests

Washington, DC—The Violence Policy Center (VPC) today released a new study, Vest Buster: The .500 Smith & Wesson Magnum—The Gun Industry's Latest Challenge to Law Enforcement Body Armor, warning that standard ammunition fired by the recently introduced .500 Smith & Wesson Magnum revolver, promoted as "the most powerful handgun in the world," can penetrate the highest level of body armor worn by the nation's police while on patrol.

Police body armor is designed to protect against handgun threats. The new Smith & Wesson .500 Magnum revolver, however, develops a striking force exceeding the power of many rifles. Only special external body armor, designed for use by SWAT teams and other high-risk units, can withstand rifle fire. The .500 Magnum thus brings a new level of handgun threat to the nation's streets.

"This vest-busting 50-caliber handgun draws a bead on every law enforcement officer in America," said Tom Diaz, VPC senior policy analyst and study author. "It is unfortunately only the latest example of dangerously reckless marketing by America's virtually unregulated gun industry." Diaz further noted that the .500 Magnum handgun, first introduced in February 2003, is already appearing at gun shows, notorious as sources of criminal gun trafficking. In addition, he pointed out, at least one shoulder holster is being sold for the Magnum revolver, thus making it easy for criminals to carry the gun concealed.

For the report, the VPC analyzed information published by Smith & Wesson, ballistics test data from the National Rifle Association's American Rifleman magazine, and federal body armor standards established by the U.S. Department of Justice. Vest Buster demonstrates that the power of the new .500 Smith & Wesson Magnum round substantially exceeds the protection of the highest level of concealable body armor normally worn by law enforcement officers in the field, known as Type IIIA.

The .500 Magnum follows a Smith & Wesson tradition of designing extremely powerful handguns. Vest Buster points out that 27 out of 144 (nearly one out of every five) law enforcement officers slain with a handgun from 1998 through 2000 were killed with one of three types of handgun and cartridge combinations originally designed and introduced by Smith & Wesson: the .357 Magnum, the .44 Magnum, and the .40 S&W.

<http://www.vpc.org/press/0406vest.htm>

[DoNotRefill]

1. Ummm.....could that be because....

most PDs issue Level IIA vests?

The standard for selecting vests has historically been to have one capable of stopping the officer's carry weapon's projectile if fired point blank into them.

[Trajan]

2. That should please a WHOLE LOT of gun 'aficiandos' here at DU ...

All 20 of them ...

Hey ? .. they shoot pigeons with them ... cant complain about that ...

[OpSomBlood]

3. Vest buster, bullet hose, spray fire, 100-round clip.

All terms invented by the noble and ever-honest VPC.

At a suggested retail price of $1,150 I'm sure S&W 500's are going to be flying off the shelves and into gangbangers' pockets.

[billbuckhead]

4. You guys hate the government so much, there should be ready market

for police killing weapons from the gunloving scum at the low end of the gene pool.

[OpSomBlood]

5. Only a group as dishonest as the VPC...

...could claim that a revolver made for hunting bears and bulls was actually designed specifically to kill police officers.

Large-caliber revolvers are not a new thing. And the smallest S&W 500 weighs 56 ounces empty...it's not exactly a carry piece you stick in your underwear.

But by all means, continue. Your embarrasing ignorance and cheerleading for a notoriously dishonest lobby group makes the pro-gun side look great.

[Trajan]

15. Pistols made for hunting bears and bulls ? ..

Dont make us laugh ...

This is about phallus, and nothing more ...

[FeebMaster]

16. Why buy an expensive phallic symbol that's only

a foot long give or take a few inches, when you can buy a three foot long rifle, even an assault weapon, for less money?

[Columbia]

37. I dunno about you

But I have to tuck my AW in my sock when I go out. :)

[OpSomBlood]

22. The .44 Magnum revolver pre-dates bulletproof vests.

So kindly explain exactly how large-caliber revolvers are designed specifically to kill cops wearing Kevlar.

Could it be that they were designed to drop 800-pound animals?

[Pookie]

28. What's so funny

about hunting with a handgun?



Cape Buffalo is one of the most dangerous game animals available to hunt and it's not unocommon for people to hunt them with handguns.

[T Town Jake]

35. "This is about phallus, and nothing more"...LOL...

...Hilarious...just too, too rich for my ticklish ribcage...

[Fescue4u]

39. Its about two things

1 Having a big ass gun because they are fun to shoot

2) Compact Protection against large animals, like bears

3) Hunting.

Ok thats 3. Im thinking about buying one of those for protection against bears the next time go camping in bear country. But the cost is quite significant, so that may wait a long time.

As for #1, well thats an American man thing. If you are not both, you won't understand. There are guys who have built pumpking and even bowling ball cannons too.

And btw, the joke about penis's and guns got old about 20 years ago. Its simply stupid now.

[alwynsw]

62. You obviously don't hunt.

The hunters I know want to be assured of one thing when they fire at game (aside from the obvious - hitting the target): a clean, quick kill that makes the taking of the animal as swift and painless as possible. The other reason for a clean quick kill should be obvious: some game, such as bears and cape buffalo (Africa) can be deadly even when mortally wounded. A quick kill is essential. Even a seemingly docile white tail can be deadly. Just as an associate of mine who was nearly gutted because he failed to assure that the buck he shot was indeed dead. 140 odd stitches and a couple of weeks in the hospital later, he decided to check very carefully before attempting to field dress his next buck.

[FatSlob]

49. Wow, you're starting to sound a lot like another esteemed anti

on this board. You should develop your own style to differentiate yourself. I think more witticisms would work for you.

[alwynsw]

57. Add that to about $2.00 per round for ammo

and you've got yourself something that very few folks can afford to own - much less shoot.

I'm sort of the Tim Taylor of handguns - MORE POWER! (That's because I hunt with them.) I bought a S&W .500, fired exactly 5 rounds through it, and put it in the safe where it remains. The recoil is such that it's a one shot proposition. It's definitely not my choice for a rapid fire exercise.

My point? Maybe Ahnold or a pro lifter can control it well enough for a double tap, but the average Joe (or Josephine) might just as well be chucking rocks if the .500 is their choice for either a defensive or offensive weapon. VPC can say what they like, but th ephysics preclude the .500 for any sort of use aside from punching paper or hunting.

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69. Along with the oh so subtle "Teflon-coated-cop-killer-bullets"

Then they go around screeching that the NRA opposed banning them.

Despite the drool that the anti's like to spew,the NRA never opposed banning armor piercing ammunition.

Fact is, the anti-gun shills drafted a piece of legislation that by definition would have banned about 85% of rifle ammunition.

Fortunately, some wiser minds quickly caught on to their charade and were instrumental in passing a ban that was based on the construction of the ammo rather than it's performance.

[Redneck Socialist]

75. They would need pretty big pockets. n\t

[gmoney]

6. Darn all those armored woodland creatures

nevermind...

[FeebMaster]

7. What does the NRA have to do with anything? (nt)

[gmoney]

8. You're right...

The NRA has nothing to do with promoting the ready availability of insane weaponry like this thing to just about anyone who can raise the money... at least this will encourage cops to shoot first and ask questions later.

[FeebMaster]

10. Supporter of the police executing people?

That's nice. :eyes:

"The NRA has nothing to do with promoting the ready availability of insane weaponry like this thing to just about anyone who can raise the money... "

Well, no one is advocating giving them away for free. Capitalism and all that.

Insane weaponry. Maybe it should be institutionalized. *rimshot*

Seriously though, how is the S&W .500 any worse than any other handgun. It's a pretty big gun and I doubt many people are going to lug them around to shoot at cops. Hell, a rifle doesn't weigh much more and you'll have more rounds to fire before reloading.



"The NRA has nothing to do with promoting the ready availability of insane weaponry like this thing to just about anyone who can raise the money... at least this will encourage cops to shoot first and ask questions later."

[OpSomBlood]

12. The details of the S&W 500 series:

Overall Length: 10.25"
Weight Empty: 56 oz.


Overall Length: 15"
Weight Empty: 72.5 oz.


Overall Length: 18"
Weight Empty: 82 oz.

To argue that a criminal would lug one of these revolvers around for the specific purpose of killing police officers is completely absurd.

[alwynsw]

63. # 3 is my baby!

Yup. I carry it all the time. You'll notice me in a crowd because I'm the one doing the Pisa imitation.

[Fescue4u]

77. Damn that #3 looks cool

Love that shoulder strap.

At first I thought it might be a good hiking gun in bear country. But man, that would be a bitch to lug around

[gmoney]

20. forgot to use the sarcasm tag

</sarcasm> sarcasm now off

Seriously, I'd say a lot of criminal types who would have the desire to pierce a cop's body armor are going to view this thing as some sort of status symbol, like the Escalade of firearms.

Practicality has nothing to do with it... hell, when your gun is a symbol for the size of your dick (or perhaps to compensate for it), the bigger the better, right?

This thing serves no other purpose than to kill people, and is being marketed as something that can be used to kill cops. Ice-T nearly goes to jail for writing a SONG about killing cops, but the guys that make the hardware to do it will earn millions.

And the reason I say this will encourage cops to fire first is that if they know these things are out there, if they see something that looks like it, they're going to be more likely to fire first, knowing their body armor won't stop the shots from these things. I'm not advocating it... but S&W is profiting from it.

Rationalize it all you want.

[OpSomBlood]

23. Any firearm can be used to kill cops.

That doesn't mean they are designed for that purpose.

[FeebMaster]

24. Please.

"Seriously, I'd say a lot of criminal types who would have the desire to pierce a cop's body armor are going to view this thing as some sort of status symbol, like the Escalade of firearms."

Yeah, or buy a rifle. Or if they really want to kill a cop, shoot him in the head, assuming he's even wearing a vest.


"Practicality has nothing to do with it... hell, when your gun is a symbol for the size of your dick (or perhaps to compensate for it), the bigger the better, right?"

If bigger is better, why not use a rifle? They're way bigger than any handgun, more powerful too. Since practicality has nothing to do with it and all.

"This thing serves no other purpose than to kill people, and is being marketed as something that can be used to kill cops. Ice-T nearly goes to jail for writing a SONG about killing cops, but the guys that make the hardware to do it will earn millions. "

Yeah just ignore all those posts about hunting. Maybe you could show us a link or something that shows how this is being marketed as something that can be used to kill cops while you're at it. Are you sure you didn't forget some more sarcasm tags?

And the reason I say this will encourage cops to fire first is that if they know these things are out there, if they see something that looks like it, they're going to be more likely to fire first, knowing their body armor won't stop the shots from these things. I'm not advocating it... but S&W is profiting from it."

Right because it's easy to mistake things for a four pound handgun with a half inch bore. :eyes: If a cop sees something that looks like a gun, any gun, he is going to shoot regardless of whether or not he thinks his body armor will stop the bullets.

"at least this will encourage cops to shoot first and ask questions later." Sounds like advocating to me.


Rationalize it all you want.

Being rational on the subject helps.

[alwynsw]

64. Just use anything in a .223

as we read recently on this board "Those things just go on forever" and are "extremely powerful". Add those to virtually no recoil, cheap ammo, and the fact that they're mostly available in semi-auto and you have a cop-killer's or anti's wet dream firearm.

Get over it guys. The only firearms ever designed specifically to kill cops are match guns (made with a rolled magazine and powered by match heads) and zip guns made by incarcerated convicts and a very few soon-to-be VERY STUPID incarcerated convicts.

I've not noticed any gun rights person or group promoting those weapons.

[Pookie]

30. Link?

I'd really like to see the ad where S&W says this is "THE" gun for cop killin'.

[T Town Jake]

36. You won't...

...find it anywhere, and the gun control crowd will assail you for even asking for such a mundane thing as proof. It's something that, assuming you're a genuine pro gun Democrat, you'll simply have to get used to in the Gungeon.

Welcome to DU, BTW.

[OpSomBlood]

44. It's a "vest buster" because the VPC says so.

No proof of such marketing required.

[Pookie]

61. Thanks for the welcome,

T Town Jake. I can feel the "love" already.
<laugh>

[alwynsw]

66. Welcome, Pookie. Are we twins?

Pookie was my granddad's pet name for me many moons ago.

Thank God I outgrew that one!

SHUT UP, BEEVUL!

[beevul]

80. *chuckles* N/T

[FatSlob]

50. I call bull.

gmoney writes:
"This thing serves no other purpose than to kill people, and is being marketed as something that can be used to kill cops."

Find me one instance where the Smith & Wesson company marketed this thing for killing cops. Your statement is an outrageous lie. You should be ashamed of yourself for such a grossly inaccurate statement. Behaviour such as yours is embarassing to see on Democratic Underground.

Either you are completely unfamiliar with handgun hunting, or you are a liar. Which is it?

[Redneck Socialist]

76. Perhaps you could...

show us some of this marketing where the S+W .500 is being touted as "something that can be used to kill cops."

[OpSomBlood]

9. The obvious choice of gangbangers everywhere:

Don't make me giggle and fall off the chair.

[FeebMaster]

11. Gun Porn! (nt)

[OpSomBlood]

13. It has a pistol grip for spray-firing from the hip.

And I heard it can accept a 100-round clip.

[T Town Jake]

29. LOL!...

...and I heard that Satan himself was organizing a secret rally to hand them out to pro gun Democrats so we could stroke their thick barrels with one hand while we typed sweet nothings to the NRA at select internet message boards with the other...
extreme sarcasm/

Hilarious...just too, too rich for my ticklish ribcage...

[Trajan]

14. You keep mentioning 'gang bangers' as if it means something ...

It doesnt ...

Non sequitur fallacy ...

[OpSomBlood]

18. "Gang bangers" is as legitimate a term as "bullet hose"...

Except people actually do say "gang bangers" in everyday speech. "Bullet hose" was completely invented by the VPC.

[Trajan]

19. People say 'whippersnapper' too ...

THAT doesnt make it relevent ...

I swear: there may be 50 gun nuts in DU .. at most ...

The SAME strident arguments from the same small cadre of needy and extremely loud NRA types acting as if they are the mainstream ..

Guess what ? .. You arent ...

[OpSomBlood]

21. Shall I start a poll asking if "gang banger" is part of the vernacular?

Just because you've never heard it doesn't mean nobody says it.

[Trajan]

26. Having heard it isnt the point ...

Of COURSE I've heard it ... Im saying it isnt RELEVENT ...

[FeebMaster]

25. You wish.

"I swear: there may be 50 gun nuts in DU .. at most ... "

[billbuckhead]

31. Actually many of these gunwacko posters are the same people

and are posting under different names and I'm sure they are part of the NRA-VRWC axis of evil and are here to cause mischief. They want DUers to say we want to "grab" guns(whatever that means), outlaw all guns, ban hunting or take something out of context so they can go back to their rightwing websites and exploit it in battleground states and also to make money. Some others are Walter Mitty's who like to have a dangerous superior macho image on the internet with these gun pictures and their contempt for anyone who doesn't know the difference between a M16, AR15, AK47, AK74, etc ad nauseum. Obviously there's an overlap between these groups as well, Grover Norquist wananbees.
I think there's a dozen actual Democrats or liberals who are for unregulated arms sales. I think the ones who whine the most about Democrats not being "allowed" to be gunowners are the ringers.

[FeebMaster]

32. Oh No! He's on to me!

It was such a good conspiracy too. The NRA supplied me with 4 computers and a dozen ip addresses to help keep up the ruse. I have to admit, it was hard work making all those simultaneous postings, but I guess I'll have to take a break from spreading my Republican propaganda while the NRA gets me some new ip addresses and I can start all over.


By the way bill, I'm still wondering what you're going to do if Bush renews the AWB.

[T Town Jake]

34. You caught me, bill...

...you see, Satan himself appeared to me in a vision one night...he was holding an expensive phallic symbol in one hand, and a parchment with DU's url printed on it in the other...you shall GO forth and bring REAL Democrats everywhere to their knees with your mighty pro gun posts in the Justice/Public Safety lounge! he thundered,..and then I woke up and ran right over to my computer and...oh, never mind.
<extreme sarcasm/>



On edit: replaced "bayonet lug" with "expensive phallic symbol." Just too, too rich for my ticklish ribcage...

[Columbia]

38. You are one to talk about posting under different names, MrB

[T Town Jake]

42. Yep, bill, I understand...but,

...dang it all, I've been too busy going through old previous threads trying to get a "feel," so to speak, for the "unwritten" ground rules in the old Gungeon to interact much with you tonight. Sorry about that. But I will tell you this: there's this fellow in some of those old threads who sounds like he was a real sweetheart, but he hasn't posted here lately for some odd reason. That's really too bad because he was just too, too funny, truth be told. He was always quick with that perfect, witty zinger, and was just, really, Phwesush in his own sorta lovable ad hominen way.
Just curious, while we're on the subject and all, did you ever, perchance, happen to run into him? He called himself MrBenchley, and man was he impressive. You two must have had soooo much in common back when he was a regular around here. Tis a pity indeed that he's not still around, really; I'm sure we would've had all sorts of fun discussing the issues of the day down here in the old Gungeon.
Well, anyway, sorry to take up so much of your time, B (do you mind if I simply call you "B"?). And if you ever happen to run across that Benchley fellow, please let him know that we all miss him in the Gungeon. I'm sure he would be touched to know how much we mourn his absence...

[OpSomBlood]

43. Feel free to request the moderators investigate our IP's.

If you are so convinced that we are actually a few people posing as many.

[FeebMaster]

70. Investigating IPs is useless.

The NRA conspiracy has provided me with plenty of IP addresses to help keep up the charade. Of course, since I'm you, I'm actually responding to myself right now. It gets confusing sometimes.

[beevul]

81. Wrong, bill...

"contempt for anyone who doesn't know the difference between a M16, AR15, AK47, AK74, etc ad nauseum"

The contempt would be for:

Those that don't know the difference and AREN'T interested in knowing facts, while supporting the AWB or any other overbearing gun control out of that chosen ignorance.

I.E.:

Ignorant due to agenda anti-gunner001: "AK-47s and UZIs will be back on the streets if we don't renew the AWB!!!" (the sky is falling , what about the children...blah blah blah)

Rational pro-gunner001: "But, the AWB doesn't cover automatic weapons"

Ignorant due to agenda anti-gunner001 "Whatever... Noone NEEDS an assault weapon"


AND

Those that DELIBERATELY confuse the AWB issue by throwing around hyperboly like "AK-47" and "bullet hose" and "hip firing".

See VPC or CSGV homepage for multiple examples.


Pretty much contempt for anyone who holds a position based on ignorance whether it be deliberate or not, AND advocates legislation based on it.

Walter mitty...Chuckle.

[T Town Jake]

33. Well then...

...if we're such a tiny minority, why bother? I'll bet I know why.

You said: The SAME strident arguments from the same small cadre of needy and extremely loud NRA types acting as if they are the mainstream

I say: tell it to Tom Foley, who would still be Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives had it not been for those slop buckets the gun control crowd insisted our Party tote around.
I say: tell it to Al Gore, who would be President RIGHT NOW where it not for the slop buckets the gun control crowd compelled him to haul around.
I say: the day the Democratic Party quits toting those slop buckets for the gun control crowd is the day our Party becomes the Majority Party in this country for the next one hundred years. EOM.

[alwynsw]

68. Bullet hose has inspired me to do something about it

I'm going to my shop. I'll be there just long enough to add a new touch hole to my Brown Bess replica. It'll be about halfway between the lock and the muzzle. I'll then load it with about 20 loads (powder, patch, and ball). I can the touch an ember to the new hole and truly hose bullets just as the fusilladiers of old. (Talk about your truly automatic weapons.) Of course, once it starts firing it won't stop until it's empty and reloading will take several minutes, but I'll be hosing bullets in the good times.

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65. That's not a handgun...This is a handgun! (CAUTION: gun porn inside).

Pfeifer-Zeliska-Revolver in .600 Nitro Express

[JayS]

17. What are they smoking over there?

If they would give honesty a shot they would find themselves with a better reputation. If this guy is a senior policy analyst...I'd hate to see what the "juniors" are like.




"This vest-busting 50-caliber handgun draws a bead on every law enforcement officer in America," said Tom Diaz, VPC senior policy analyst and study author. "It is unfortunately only the latest example of dangerously reckless marketing by America's virtually unregulated gun industry." Diaz further noted that the .500 Magnum handgun, first introduced in February 2003, is already appearing at gun shows, notorious as sources of criminal gun trafficking. In addition, he pointed out, at least one shoulder holster is being sold for the Magnum revolver, thus making it easy for criminals to carry the gun concealed.

[TexasMexican]

27. Ummm, who gives a shit...

I dont think too many criminals will be using a .50 cal "Revolver."

That is what this is, its a fucking revolver.

If you are concerned about the fact that it could possibly penetrate some body armor then I guess you are one of the people who want to ban all rifles too because rifles will definately penetrate body armor.

[Fescue4u]

40. HMM the VPC doesnt like.

They don't like semi auto rifles ("bullet hoses")
They don't like bolt action rifles ("sniper rifles")
They don't like semi auto pistols ("to much capacity")
They don't like Revolvers ("now they are Cop Killers")

But They don't want to ban guns....

Im curous. I wonder what the liars at VPC DO LIKE??

[T Town Jake]

41. "I wonder what the liars at VPC DO LIKE??"

...they like carrying those slop buckets for the gun control crowd - and keeping the GOP in power while being "pure" on guns by default regardless of the facts.

[OpSomBlood]

45. The VPC likes harrassing law-abiding gun owners and ignoring criminals.

They'd rather create new laws than concentrate that effort on enforcing and prosecuting existing ones.

[DonP]

72. You left some out

They also don't like, and have come out at various times against ...

Small Pistols = Pocket Rockets

Cheap Pistols = Saturday Night Specials

Large Caliber Pistols = Cop Killer Vest Busters

But they are not trying to ban all guns. You are perfectly welcome to keep your single shot Iver Johnson in .410 ... for now. They haven't found the right perjorative term for it yet.

[FeebMaster]

73. Street Sweeper.

I'm glad they were able to come up with vest buster, that's a good one.

[PopeyeII]

46. Have you priced a S&W .500?

$800 to $1000. Ammo is about $3 a round. Fairly cost prohibitive. Everything I've seen in shops has barrels 8" minimum. With the ported barrel you'd probably be deaf after firing one round. It's a wheel gun so that's only 6 shots, wait a minute, large caliber, so that's 5 rounds. RECOIL from a round like that? I'm going to guess at about 1,000 ft-lbs. (.44 mag @ 800 ft-lbs). Gonna hurt like a SOB. Sort of like driving a Chevy w/a V-8 450. Fun, loud, expensive, take it out once a year. People buy big cars and guns for the testosterone rush.

An absolutly ineffective stupid gun for use on people. Good woods gun for BIG bear.

The notion that this is being marketed for use against police armor is silly. Any perp w/$200 (or less) can buy a shotgun and hack saw at Wal-Mart and do worse things to a LEO in body armor. Just about any rifle round .222 or larger has the same potential energy as that hand cannon and can penetrate body armor. What we really need to do is ban hack saws.

The VPC really needs to hire a good technical consultant, that need to stop speculating and get to the truth of matters if they expect to stop alienating reasonable gun owners.

[OpSomBlood]

48. Actually, the cheapest S&W 500 is SRP $1,100

n/t

[Hrumph]

59. The VPC is all about hysteria, not fact.

They know that their only hope of moving their agenda is by feeding BS to those who don't know any better.

[RoeBear]

47. It is so disgusting that the VPC continues...

...to educate criminals about cops wearing body armor. All their bullshit does is encourage the bastards to go for head shots.

[JayS]

74. Yup, this is sadly the case. n/t

n/t

[TX-RAT]

51. I disagree

This weapon was designed for hunting large game. Most here know my opinions of Military style weapons and CCWs. But i draw the line when it comes to hunting weapons. Most of the larger game I've taken in the past have been with Hand guns in 44 and 45 caliber. That would include deer, antelope, hogs and 1 bear. To call this a Cop Killer is ridiculous.

[OpSomBlood]

52. Thanks for your honesty.

Really, it is refreshing to see someone concede when their side is being ridiculous. I try to do the same when people on the pro-gun side say stuff like "all people should be required to carry guns" or such similar nonsense.

There are ridiculous extremes on both sides of the gun control argument. I try whenever possible to find common ground and work from there. I think both pro- and anti-gun people want to see gun violence decrease dramatically. We just need to figure out how to most effectively and realistically accomplish that goal.

[Hrumph]

53. Ditto n/t

.

[turnkey]

54. Concealed....

Most criminal types prefer weapons that hide away easily. Small pistol or revolver, knife, etc.
A S&W 500 would seem to defeat this...Not to mention stretching the limits of "Thunderwear"! ;)

[TX-RAT]

55. That would be Thunderwear with suspenders in this case.

[OpSomBlood]

58. And a crane.

n/t

[slackmaster]

56. I guess the VPC has never heard of...

The Remington XP-100 or the Thompson/Center Contender,

Both pistols are designed for hunting or target shooting and can fire rifle rounds like the .223 Remington. Changing calibers on the Contender is a simple matter of dropping in a new barrel.

http://www.bullberry.com/TCbarrels.html

[TX-RAT]

60. Shot a Contender in 308

Hunting and 200 meter competition.

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67. Sniff,sniff...

I can smell your fear.

[minavasht]

71. Bad Smith & Wesson!

I guess the VPC hadn't heard about an old russian-made pistol. That's why you don't know about it either.
It's called TT - pistolet Tokareva, Tula, entered production in 1933 (that's right, 69 years ago!). They go around $120-150. Caliber - 7.62x25.
Nevertheless it goes trough most of the bluet-proof vests.

[OpSomBlood]

78. So it's a vest buster.

And it was obviously designed for that specific purpose.

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79. FN Five-seveN

"The Five-seveN pistol was designed by FN company (Belgium) as a complimentary sidearm for the P90 submachine-gun. The P90 and Five-seveN share the same ammunition, the 5.7x28mm SS190 cartridge. The SS190 ammunition looks like scaled down 5.56mm NATO round and boosts the 2.02 gramm (31 grains) pointed steel and alluminium core bullet to the muzzle velocity of 650 meters per second (ca. 2130 fps) from the pistol barrel. The key idea behind that ammunition and weapons is to provide good penetration against personnel, protected by modern body armour, while keeping weapons' weight, dimensions and recoil at the reasonable levels".

"...he Five-seveN is available from FN for government or law enforcement sales only.

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