GUNS IN THE NEWS--June 3, 2004

[MrBenchley]

As CO Liberal sez:
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[MrBenchley]

1. Suspect held on $100,000 bail in Pittsfield shooting

"(Pittsfield - AP) — A 17-year-old Pittsfield youth has been ordered held on one-hundred-thousand dollars bail on assault and other charges in a drive-by shooting.
Gerard Jones and a 20-year-old accomplice are accused of firing on two men on a Pittsfield street in April. Neither man was hit, but police say the bullets struck a parked car."

http://www.wrgb.com/news/local/local_news.asp?selection=article_13005

[freetobegay]

2. You know the drill

When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.

[MrBenchley]

3. And if bullshit was bonbons

the RKBA movement would be a candy store....

[MrBenchley]

4. Child Shot (VA)

"A little girl is in the hospital this morning and some neighbors are in an uproar about what sent her there. Police say two men shot the child during an argument in Gilpin Court.
Police say the whole incident started with a fight between teenage girls and some younger girls around 4:30pm yesterday afternoon. A mother tried to break up the fight but then ended up becoming part of it. A man got between them and then two other men showed up, raised a gun and fired one round. The bullet hit the 6-year-old in the leg.
Investigators say the girl does not have life-threatening injuries, but she told them she is afraid to go home. And now some neighbors are afraid for their own children and grandchildren."

http://www.wric.com/Global/story.asp?S=1914592&nav=0RcxNcaE

[MrBenchley]

5. Hanover Man Arrested After Severn Park Shooting

"SEVERN, Md. -- Anne Arundel County police said they have arrested a Hanover man after a shooting that injured a man at a Severn park.
Anthony Raynor, 20, is charged with three counts of attempted first-degree murder. Police said Raynor was arrested at his home yesterday after witnesses identified him as the suspect."

http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/3376813/detail.html

[MrBenchley]

6. Boynton police stymied by uncooperative victims, witnesses

Hey, who needs the "precious police" (as one of our enthusiasts called them) when you've got GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS?

"OYNTON BEACH · When the shooting stopped and doctors were done with Harold Yazell, he learned he had been hit with 14 bullets in his legs, one in his ribs and two in his biceps.
No one has been arrested for nearly killing him, but Yazell doesn't much care.
It's one of seven shootings police have investigated since the beginning of the year, mostly in the lower-income neighborhoods north of Boynton Beach Boulevard and west of Seacrest Boulevard.
Police have made arrests in two of the cases, including one for murder. In nearly all of the others, investigators know the suspects' identities, but don't have enough evidence to arrest them, police Chief Marshall Gage said.
Detectives are dealing with uncooperative witnesses, indifferent victims, fearful bystanders and, in at least one case, a victim who wanted to handle justice on his own."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-pshootings03jun03,0,7784209.story?coll=sfla-news-palm

[RoeBear]

19. Victim claims...

...that he was hit by 14 ricochets. Yeah sure.

[CO Liberal]

25. From the Referenced Article

Underlining emphasis mine:

Yazell, 32, said he wasn't the intended target and many of his wounds came from ricocheting bullets, so he's not too worried about his own safety. But after living in the same house all his life, Yazell knows everyone in the neighborhood. He isn't going to be known as the guy who snitched -- though he said he's not sure who shot him.

MANY of his wounds, not ALL. There IS a difference.

[RoeBear]

34. Thanks for the correction...

...I shall hide now.

[FeebMaster]

21. Fourteen Bullets!!!!

Surely one would have been enough!

[TexasMexican]

58. Right to remain silent

Well people do have the right to remain silent.

Do you wish to take that right away from them?

[FeebMaster]

60. Just make it legal to beat a confession out of them.

Once it's legal there won't be any violation of rights to worry about.

[CO Liberal]

7. 2 face charges in fatal shooting (NY)

More of the gun owners we don't have to worry about. - Wayne

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2 face charges in fatal shooting

By TERRY CORCORAN
THE JOURNAL NEWS
(Original publication: June 3, 2004)

PEEKSKILL — As two men arrested in the shooting death of a 20-year-old mother were arraigned yesterday, friends and relatives of the slain woman, Danielle Male, kept a roadside vigil on Park Street, where she was shot early Tuesday.

"Danielle was such a strong person that we all thought she'd pull through this," said Ranisha Dechico, 27, sister of Brian Ellis, the father of Male's 3-year-old son. "She was someone who always made everyone laugh."

But there was no laughter yesterday on Park Street, or in Peekskill City Court, where Ronald K. Hatfield of Peekskill, 20, was arraigned on felony charges of second-degree murder and criminal possession of a weapon. An alleged accomplice, Jason A. Curry of Shrub Oak, 26, was arraigned on the same weapon charge and a felony count of first-degree hindering prosecution. Both were sent to the Westchester County jail without bail.

Detective Sgt. Mark O'Buck said Hatfield and Curry had a minor dispute with Ellis which culminated in the shooting. Ellis was in the green Honda that Male was driving on Park Street around 12:30 a.m. when shots were fired at the car, police said.

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http://www.thejournalnews.com/newsroom/060304/b0103peekfolo.html

[CO Liberal]

8. Sights on range shooting (NJ)

"Hey, Matt - why don't you come to the firing range with me? We'll have a good time, and you'll even get a helicopter ride to the hospital, where you'll lie in stable coindition...." - Wayne

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Sights on range shooting

Thursday, June 03, 2004
By JEROME MONTES
Staff Writer

MILLVILLE -- City Commissioner of Public Safety John Hollingshead said on Wednesday that he has yet to review the police report on the accidental shooting of a Mercer County man at the Millville Police firing range over Memorial Day weekend.

Matthew Connolly, 39, of Lawrenceville, had sustained a leg wound during target practice Sunday at the Buckshutem Road facility and was flown to Atlantic City Medical Center as a precaution. His last reported condition was stable, according to hospital staff.

Connolly, who is not a member of the city police, had been accompanied by Millville Police Det. Brian Starcher, a firearms instructor and a good friend of the victim, Harvey said.

Hollingshead said he was informed of the incident on Sunday, but had been too busy over the past several days with his work at Durand Glass to spare time for the incident. The commissioner promised he would make an effort to get to the report today.

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http://www.nj.com/news/bridgeton/local/index.ssf?/base/news-8/1086270055294760.xml

[Romulus]

20. salient points

"City Commissioner of Public Safety John Hollingshead said on Wednesday that he has yet to review the police report on the accidental shooting of a Mercer County man at the Millville Police firing range over Memorial Day weekend.


"Connolly, who is not a member of the city police, had been accompanied by Millville Police Det. Brian Starcher, a firearms instructor and a good friend of the victim, Harvey said.

So even the police can't be trusted to teach firearms safety . . .

[CO Liberal]

26. Another Salient Point

Many pro-gunners on this board refer to trips to the firing range as "good, clean fun". They can also be referred to as "hazardous to your health".

[FeebMaster]

28. Sure,

if you go to a police firing range.

[CO Liberal]

29. Another Senseless Attack on Law Enforcement from the Pro-Gun Side

:shrug:

[FeebMaster]

30. Senseless? How so?

:shrug:

[CO Liberal]

31. Tell Me How It's Sensible

Some pro-gunners seems to take every opportunity to attack law enforcement.

[FeebMaster]

32. I'll admit

that Mr. Connolly could have shot himself anywhere even at a private range or at home. I just thought it was funny that it happened at a police range while he was accompanied by a police officer who is also a firearms instructor. To be fair, the police probably had nothing to do with him shooting himself.


"Some pro-gunners seems to take every opportunity to attack law enforcement."

Well, I certainly can't speak for anyone else, but I don't take every opportunity to attack law enforcement, just the funny ones.

[Romulus]

33. umm, CO

YOU'RE the one who posted the story!! :+

[CO Liberal]

46. I Didn't Post It To Attack The Police

I posted it to show that even in a controlled environment like a firing range, someone can get seriously injured.

[TX-RAT]

35. Sure gets old

Don't make a lot of friends when your a peace officer.

[FeebMaster]

38. Well when you violate rights for a living

it's going to breed some resentment.

[TX-RAT]

39. "Well when you violate rights for a living

You got to be kidding.
When did you ever have your rights violated by law enforcement.

[FeebMaster]

40. Personally I can't think of anything serious

off the top of my head, but I avoid cops like the plague. Of course, just because my rights haven't been violated lately hardly means the police don't violate rights for a living.

[TX-RAT]

41. Would love to know where you get your info

I was in law enforcement a long time and never once witnessed someones rights being violated. I can't count how many times people have screamed i know my rights, as the cuffs went on. Funny when they sober up and see the dash cam video they plead out.

[FeebMaster]

42. Where do I get my info?

You have to be kidding. Maybe you should turn on the TV or go up to LBN and read a few threads.

So you never arrested anyone on a drug charge or for carrying a concealed weapon or ticketed someone for not wearing a seatbelt? Texas is a primary seatbelt law state, as I understand it.

Ever arrest someone for sodomy?

http://www-tech.mit.edu/V118/N62/sodomy.62w.html


Ever just ask to see someone's papers while investigating and investigation and then arrest them when they refuse?

http://www.papersplease.org

[TX-RAT]

43. OK

So you never arrested anyone on a drug charge
( that would be yes, Drugs are illegal in the state of TX )

or for carrying a concealed weapon
( that would be yes, concealed weapons are illegal in the state of TX without a license )

or ticketed someone for not wearing a seatbelt
( That would be yes, seat belts are mandatory in TX. )

Ever just ask to see someone's papers while investigating and investigation and then arrest them when they refuse?

( that would be yes, failure to identify is illegal in TX )

Lets see , thats 4 and at no time was anybodies rights violated. Whats your point?

[FeebMaster]

44. Ah. So since that stuff is illegal

no one's rights were violated. Of course. The police don't violate rights, they just enforce laws. If it's illegal, it isn't a right. :eyes:

[TX-RAT]

45. Just prove your point please.

[FeebMaster]

47. How?

The police obviously don't violate anyone's rights. You've convinced me.

[DoNotRefill]

59. If you were a cop and didn't violate somebody's rights....

you were chairborne.

[CO Liberal]

48. I Guess...

...if someone feels they have a constitutional right to break the law, then cops would be violating their rights.

:shrug:

[TX-RAT]

49. Thats the way some people see it.

Never have figured that one out.

[CO Liberal]

51. Neither Have the Ones on "COPS" With the Fuzzy Faces

Bad boy, bad boy, wha-cha gonna do?
Wha-cha gonna do when they come for you??

[TX-RAT]

52. One thing most don't understand

I don't necessarily agree with the laws i enforced, but that don't matter. I'm a firm believer in ( You have to have a victim to have a crime )But sad to say that doesn't matter either.

[CO Liberal]

53. One Thing I DO Understand...

...is that the police are among the hardest-working and least-appreciated professions we have, right up there with registered nurses and public school teachers.

[FeebMaster]

54. What does the constitution have to do with anything? (nt)

[TexasMexican]

63. I've never had my rights violated by police...

but that doesnt make me naieve enough to believe that it doesnt happen from time to time.

Police are humans too and even they dont know all of the laws.

[Lefty48197]

65. This too would have to fall under the category of attacks upon the police

by the 'pro gun' crowd.

[Lefty48197]

64. I'm tired of the gun nuts attacking law enforcement personnel

The cops, the sheriffs, the BATF, the FBI, you'd think we're talking about Pol Pot's army the way some of the right wingers talk.

[TexasMexican]

66. Do we really need the BATF and the DEA?

Why dont they just go back to working under the FBI.

It seems to me like its a complete waste of resources for them to have thier own agencies.

[DoNotRefill]

67. Hey Lefty....

read up on what happened to MOVE in Philly...If you think the cops are your friends, you're WRONG.

If you want more evidence, read up on what happened to Eugene Debs.

[CO Liberal]

9. Man charged in dog shooting (PA)

Yeah, here's yet another "law-abiding gun owner we don't have to worry about". And he claims to be a man of God, too. - Wayne

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Man charged in dog shooting

By Brett Lovelace
Intelligencer Journal

Published: Jun 03, 2004 9:55 AM EST

LANCASTER COUNTY, PA - A retired pastor was charged Wednesday with killing his neighbors'dog after it wandered onto his West Earl Township property.

The Rev. Aaron E. Riehl, 67, of 89 Meadow View Drive, is accused of shooting a 2-year-old English setter named Hunter shortly after 3 p.m. May 1.

Keith Mohler, an animal welfare officer with Farm Sanctuary of Pennsylvania, spent a month investigating the shooting.

"This was an especially heinous incident because a group of children at a birthday party saw the dog after it was shot," Mohler said. "So, not only did Mr. Riehl kill a dog, he has also left a family shattered with grief."

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http://www.lancasteronline.com/pages/news/local/6905

[Romulus]

22. BB gun /= "firearm" (eom)

[CO Liberal]

23. "Shooting a Dog" = "Asshole"

Speaking as someone with two dogs and one cat that I consider part of the family.

[DoNotRefill]

36. Not necessarily....I used to routinely shoot dogs and cats...

with a "non-lethal firearm" to keep them off of my property. Well, OK, it wasn't really a "non-lethal firearm", it was a splat-master paint gun, which isn't a firearm since it uses CO2, but hey, the effect was the same. It caused no permanent damage to the critters, but got it across to them that coming into my yard to terrorize and kill the other (wanted) critters, dig in my yard, and spray on my porch was unacceptable. And, to my way of looking at things, it was a lot more humane than using a hav-a-hart on them, then turning them into the local animal control folks, and having them euthanized.

I don't do this any more, because the critters ain't stupid....they know if they come on my property, they're gonna get hit with the nasty red (non-toxic, water-soluble, edible) paint, so they stay away.

Oh, and BTW, I talked with the neighbors about keeping their #$@%$@%$@ critters out of my yard. THAT'S WHAT A LEASH IS FOR!!!! I gave them ample opportunity before I started painting their critters.

[CO Liberal]

50. Doesn't Sound Like This Guy Used a "Non-Letal Firearm"....

Seeing as the poor dog died.

[DoNotRefill]

55. Co...

if you drop a pebble in exactly the right circumstances it can kill a dog, or a cat, or a person, or whatever.

Shooting an animal with a bb gun or a paintball gun normally will not result in the death of a dog. A bird, yes, but not a dog. It sounds like this guy didn't intend to kill the dog. Now, if the guy had used a .22, that would be a different matter, but a bb gun? What reasonable person would think a bb gun could kill a setter-sized dog?

[CO Liberal]

56. All I Know...

...is this guy had no business killing that dog, whatever instrument he used. And he deserves to be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

[FeebMaster]

57. I disagree.

The dog was on his property unleashed and without invitation.

[CO Liberal]

68. Still No Reason to Kill the Dog

Using your "logic", the Jehovah's Witnesses in that guy's town need to worry....

[FeebMaster]

80. Well to shoot them I'd think he'd have to put up a sign

or something, but dogs can't read.

[DoNotRefill]

61. so people who run over dogs with cars....

should go to jail?

[CO Liberal]

69. That's An Accidental Occurrence

What that asshole did was intentional.

[DoNotRefill]

70. Co....I think the death was accidental....

Do you REALLY believe he was trying to kill the dog and not just run it off?

[CO Liberal]

71. Yes, I Do

You run off a dog by yelling at it or waving a rolled-up newspaper. You kill a dog by firing a projectile at it.

[DoNotRefill]

72. Well, we disagree then.

IF he'd used a real gun, I think you'd have a point, but not since he used a BB gun.

[CO Liberal]

73. I'll Refer You to Post #27 in This Thread

From TX-RAT:

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27. Newer air rifles have amazing power

14 grain pellets at 1100 fps can do a lot of damage.

[DoNotRefill]

74. yup....and with the new rubber bands out....

shooting paperclips can be lethal, too. That doesn't mean that a reasonable person would think it'd be lethal, does it?

[TX-RAT]

75. That doesn't mean that a reasonable person would think it'd be lethal

Might want to look up the history of air rifles. Lewis and Clark carried an air rifle, air rifles were used to hunt game in Europe. Some new rifles shoot 60 grain projectiles at over 1000fps. Thats 380 equivalent.

[CO Liberal]

76. It's Rather Interesting, TX-RAT....

Some pro-gunners will go to most extreme lengths to defend a fellow gun owner. It would be laughable, if it wasn't so pathetic.

[TX-RAT]

77. So true

Never understood why some people think its OK to shoot someones pet just because it' on their property. If it was attacking their pet or causing damage to their property I would understand. In TX shooting someones pet simply for tresspassing could land you in jail. Most towns in TX and other states have made dischargeing a air rifle inside the city limits illegal.

[LibLabUK]

78. I remember...

a thread on AR15.com some years ago regarding the killing of cats.

Apparently it was widely held that it was okay to "plink" strays.

Kinda sickening if you ask me.

[TX-RAT]

79. It is sickening ( I like cats, happen to have several )

About 12 years ago while having coffee in the local gun shop, a gentleman began telling a story about how he shot his neighbors cats while laying on his belly while his wife held the door. He went on to explain how he used to use a 22 rifle with shorts, because it was so quiet. He then started bragging about his new air rifle, that was just as deadly as his 22, but much more quiet. He got awfully quiet and left after i explained to him that he had just admitted to 2 misdemeanors in front of the Sheriff. Checked with his neighbors later and it seems the number of cat deaths had diminished.

[DoNotRefill]

81. did the guy own a gun?

an air rifle isn't a firearm.

[CO Liberal]

82. You're Splitting Hairs, DNR

The asshole killed a dog. Period. No amount of hair-splitting will change that.

[DoNotRefill]

83. but he didn't use a firearm to do it.

let me ask you this. Suppose he threw a rock at the dog, and the dog died. Would you still feel the same way?

[CO Liberal]

84. Yes

and I fail to see the difference between a BB gun and a regular gun, except one uses air and the other used gunpowder to propel a little object into another object at high velocity.

I think you need to re-read TX-RAT's Post #27....

[TX-RAT]

85. That would still be animal cruelty and a misdemeanor

in some states. There is no excuse for killing another persons pet just because it strayed on to your property.

[CO Liberal]

86. Thank, You, TX-RAT

At least someone else on this board isn't jumping to that asshole's defense.

[TX-RAT]

27. Newer air rifles have amazing power

14 grain pellets at 1100 fps can do a lot of damage.

[MrBenchley]

10. Man suspected of shooting deputy arrested in South Carolina

"OREGON CITY — A man suspected of shooting at a Clackamas County sheriff's deputy was arrested in South Carolina, authorities said Wednesday.
Manuel Franco-Cruz, 34, of Woodburn allegedly fired multiple bullets at a deputy following a chase near Canby on April 12, sheriff's spokeswoman Angela Brandenburg said.
He apparently fled Oregon soon afterward, Brandenburg said. Computer records indicated he had possible contacts in Charleston County, S.C., she said."

http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2004/06/03/news/oregon/thusta04.txt

[CO Liberal]

11. Friend Says Joke Led To Shooting (NE)

More "law-abiding gun owners" we don't have to worry about. - Wayne

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Friend Says Joke Led To Shooting

Police Looking For Gunman

POSTED: 4:19 pm CDT June 2, 2004
UPDATED: 5:28 pm CDT June 2, 2004

OMAHA, Neb. -- What started as a car crash turned into a shooting investigation overnight. Council Bluffs and Omaha police are looking for a man they believe shot another man as he drove along Interstate 480.

Wayne Preister (pictured, left) is wanted for allegedly shooting at three Omaha men. Preister and the men were all at Razzle Dazzle, a dance bar in Council Bluffs, when the men made a crack about the rims on Preister's car.

Raul Shaw got in a separate car from his two friends. Mark Jura is one of the friends. Jura said that after the incident at the bar, all four men parted peacefully. Then, as Jura was following Shaw across the I-480 bridge into Omaha, he heard gunshots and Shaw's car hit the barrier.

Police first on the scene Wednesday morning thought Shaw had crashed, then realized he was the victim of a drive-by. Shaw was shot twice in the head.

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http://www.theomahachannel.com/news/3374734/detail.html

[CO Liberal]

12. Man sentenced in Mud Bog shooting (ID)

The article doesn't say, but I wonder if this asshole had a permit to carry that handgun concealed??? - Wayne

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Man sentenced in Mud Bog shooting

Posted: Thursday, Jun 03, 2004 - 06:52:09 am PDT
By R.J. COHN
Staff writer

BONNERS FERRY -- A Sandpoint man who caused a potentially dangerous situation when he fired a handgun in the air over two people during the Moyie Mud Bog last month will spend the next six months behind bars.

John Haworth, 21, also got a terse tongue lashing by District Judge Quentin Hardin, who characterized his actions in the incident as outlandish and reckless behavior.

In a plea bargain agreement, Haworth's charges of felony assault were reduced to a misdemeanor. He was also charged with use of a deadly weapon and concealing a dangerous weapon, both misdemeanors.

According to court documents, Derek Christopher Thomas told Sheriff's deputies he saw Haworth load a .22 caliber revolver near the band stand during the the first annual Mud Bog held at the Behrman property four miles from Highway 2 May 8. Thomas then located Bruce Behrman, who owned the property where the three-day event drew over 5,000.

After both men told Haworth to follow them, Thomas said he uttered obscenities, pointed the pistol at them, then aimed it in the air and fired. He then ran toward his vehicle.

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http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com/articles/2004/06/03/news/news03.txt

[DoNotRefill]

37. Ummmm, Co....RTFA.

"He was also charged with use of a deadly weapon and concealing a dangerous weapon, both misdemeanors."

"concealing a dangerous weapon"....that means no CCW.

[CO Liberal]

13. Parolee charged in 2nd Radcliff drive-by shooting in a week (KY)

I'd like to know how this convicted felon out on parole was able to get his hands on a gun. - Wayne

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Parolee charged in 2nd Radcliff drive-by shooting in a week

By BRIAN WALKER

A convicted felon out on parole for less than two months could be headed back to prison for allegedly firing a shotgun at a man he claims cut his face during a drug deal.

Kevin D. Cannon, 22, was arrested early Tuesday morning not far from the Pin Oak Apartments in Radcliff where police said he fired a slug from a Remington 870 12-gauge tactical shotgun at the man inside one of the residences. No one was injured in the incident.

In April, Cannon was released from the Hardin County Detention Center where he served a state sentence of about a year of a three-year sentence for felony fleeing and evading a police officer.

Hardin County Commonwealth's Attorney Chris Shaw said Wednesday he intended to seek revocation of Cannon's probation.

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http://www.newsenterpriseonline.com/articles/2004/06/03/news/news04.txt

[MrBenchley]

14. Teen killed in shotgun blast fired by another youth (IN)

"SHELBURN, Ind. -- A 16-year-old boy fatally shot a younger boy with a shotgun, but investigators said they were hearing different accounts of what happened.
Dakota Moore, 13, of Sullivan was pronounced dead Monday in Sullivan County Community Hospital after he was shot once in the abdomen with a 20-gauge shotgun, county Coroner Danny Holmes said.
Moore was shot about 1:40 a.m. in the home of the 16-year-old about 20 miles south of Terre Haute. Witnesses -- all juveniles -- told sheriff's deputies that the parents of the 16-year-old had asked them to leave the home.
However, the teen let them back in through a window before the shooting occurred, Jerry Mize, chief deputy of the Sullivan County Sheriff's Department."

http://www.indystar.com/articles/7/151725-7557-093.html

[CO Liberal]

15. Wonder If He Learned How to Fire That Shotgun....

...by reading that "gun lust for kids" mag published by the Nuts Ruining America.

[MrBenchley]

16. Hard to be more irresponsible than that, isn't it?

[Romulus]

24. maybe, but

it could also be that this guy learned how to swing a bat from little league.

Or maybe these guys learned about baseball bat use from little league. Who knows?

[MrBenchley]

17. Gunman, Victim Sought After West-Side Shooting (MI)

"A man who witnesses said shot a man and then abducted him from a home on Detroit's west side is reportedly on the run.
Police responded to the scene on Archdale Street Wednesday night. They did not find the shooter or the victim, but they did find drugs and guns, Local 4 reported.
Officers seized 40 pounds of marijuana and six loaded guns from the home."

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/3376694/detail.html

[MrBenchley]

18. Child among four shot in front of Los Angeles market

"LOS ANGELES - A suspected gang-related drive-by shooting in front of a neighborhood grocery store wounded four people, including a 3-year-old girl, police said.
The girl was shot in the stomach with an assault rifle and underwent surgery at a nearby hospital. She was in critical but stable condition, Officer Sandra Escalante said. A 20-year-old woman with multiple gunshot wounds was also hospitalized in critical condition, she said.
Two young men, one struck in the leg, the other in the foot, were hospitalized in good condition, she said.
The shooting occurred about 10:30 a.m. in Southeast Los Angeles. By late morning, a bicycle and empty baby stroller were still strewn along the street outside the market.
The shooting marked the second attack on a young child in less than 24 hours. On Tuesday, night a 7-year-old boy in Sylmar was shot in the head above his right ear while jumping on a backyard trampoline with his brother. The boy was in critical but stable condition Wednesday with a bullet lodged in his brain."

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/8825273.htm

[TexasMexican]

62. What type of Assault Rifle...

I need my daily dose of gun porn to get my groove on. :eyes:

That being said too bad gangs like these arent like the mob of old, where if someone accidently killed a kid during a hit the mob would take care of him themselves.