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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 12:47 PM
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Virginia Tech Shootings: Gun Nuts Yet Again Politicize A Tragedy
http://themoderatevoice.com/131301/virginia-tech-shooti... /

The gunshot-riddled body of a Virginia Tech police officer making a traffic stop was not even cold yesterday afternoon before the gun nut lobby rushed in to politicize the tragedy on the campus where a student shot and killed 32 people in 2007. A second person who may be the gunman was found dead in a parking lot about a quarter mile away.

First up to the plate was Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, a group that advocates allowing university students to pack heat.

In a statement long on depravity and short on common sense, SCC said that:

sadly recognizes this incident proves yet again that nothing has changed at Virginia Tech. The college still entertain delusional beliefs that signs and stickers will prevent illegal weapons on campus, even as they protest paying fines for their failing to notify students of the initial murders preceding the worst shooting spree in history three (sic) years ago.

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mikeysnot Donating Member (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 01:13 PM
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1. Irony is lost on them that the Cop was armed.
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DWC Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 01:21 PM
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2. The irony seems lost on you...
Edited on Sat Dec-10-11 01:27 PM by DWC
that the gun used to kill the LEO on campus was taken on campus illegally. If a bad guy or crazy decides to take a gun on campus to shot people Laws, Signs, and Rules are not going to stop them. Never have. Never will.

In any ambush or suprise attack, the first person targeted by the attacker(s) generally dies whether they are armed or not. How many others die is almost entirely dependent on the good guys state of readiness.

Semper Fi,
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discntnt_irny_srcsm Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 01:39 PM
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3. I also wonder...
...about those resisting civilian arms and relying on law enforcement when it is civilians who shoot friendlies much less often than LEOs.
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mikeysnot Donating Member (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-11 08:25 AM
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10. good luck with that....
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-11 04:14 PM
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12. You did read #2?
Hard facts:
(1) The cop was armed, and he could do nothing to prevent the attack on him, or potentially on anyone else
(2) The VT campus was "gun-free" according to signage and university regulation, but not so according to reality.

The carrying of firearms is designed primarily as a means of self-defense. It is not social policy, it is not guaranteed to stop school yard spectaculars, mall shootings, or gangster drive-bys. It is a method by which an individual can defend him/her self, and there is no guarantee that would work either.

But I have a right to carry (if I choose to exercise it) in order to better defend myself.
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 01:41 PM
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4. when your side politicizes a tragedy,
are you equally appalled?

sadly recognizes this incident proves yet again that nothing has changed at Virginia Tech. The college still entertain delusional beliefs that signs and stickers will prevent illegal weapons on campus, even as they protest paying fines for their failing to notify students of the initial murders preceding the worst shooting spree in history three (sic) years ago.

I fail to see how it is depraved or absurd. It basically describes what happened.
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RayTy Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 02:32 PM
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5. dont know if this was posted or not
http://blog.bradycampaign.org/?p=3530

that puts it in perspective how stupid and dangerous the right wing is in this nation.
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 03:49 PM
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7. what does this have to do with the right wing?
Edited on Sat Dec-10-11 04:00 PM by gejohnston
To be perfectly honest, there is nothing the Bradys put out that puts anything in perspective. They are incredibly intellectually dishonest, and have yet to come up with a valid argument.
Propaganda laced with appeals to emotion and other logical fallacies (and outright lies) are not legitimate arguments.
Most of the people at Brady is far to the right of me, and probably to you too on other issues. This is only a right/left issue only because someone in the 1960s decided to put it in the Dem's platform. If you look at the origin of these century old laws that are being repealed were written by the right wing plutocrats for their purposes. Unfortunately, too many people in the middle, or who would vote Democratically in general, buy in to the whole thing.
Dennis Henigan is a token progressive that replaced a moderate Republican.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 05:14 PM
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9. Pretty juvenile piece of commentary
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-11 04:18 PM
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13. As expected from GOP-founded, GOP-led Brady Center.
I believe it was Helmke on the eve of the 2008 election who said he was still in a quandary as to whom he would vote for in the Presidential race. Is that a "win-win" for him?
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 03:42 PM
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6. What's your beef? The Bradys did it first. Sauce for goose, meet gander:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Brady bunch to crash Virginia Tech's April 16 memorial. How compassionate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://www.bradycampaign.org/colin

"Watch our new video with Colin Goddard, Virginia Tech Survivor"
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-11 04:21 PM
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14. Ah, how soon they forget. nt
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-11 05:09 PM
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8. And you rushed here to post this...Pot/Kettle
dancing in the blood you are.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-11 04:08 PM
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11. He said righteously as he pumped his own gas. nt
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