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guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:12 PM
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2 SHOT DEAD AT VIRGINIA TECH
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/virginia-tech

Another shooting at Virginia Tech today. Good thing that "gun free safe zone" is protecting the innocent.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:16 PM
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1. Virginia is the state that lets any idiot buy a gun.
Kinda dumb to pretend you can have a gun free zone when you make so much money selling them to gun happy assholes.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:20 PM
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3. Virginia has much tighter gun sale laws than most US states.
And uses the same background check you get in California or New York. Try again.
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Fair Witness Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:21 PM
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4. What, if I may be so bold as to ask, is a "gun happy asshole"?
?
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 07:02 PM
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17. They aren't hard to find. Go to a TBag rally where participants are encouraged to pack.
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Fair Witness Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 08:46 PM
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20. What about progressive Democrats who don't go to TBag rallies but legally carry guns?
Are they "gun happy assholes" too? I'm just trying to figure out how broad your brush is.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 11:37 PM
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22. To hoyt, those people are a myth.
Or liars.
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We_Have_A_Problem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:23 PM
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5. You say that like...
Edited on Thu Dec-08-11 04:24 PM by We_Have_A_Problem
VA doesnt do the same thing every other state does.

You still get a NICS check run. You still have to pass it. You still have to meet all the same requirements you do anywhere else.

Do you have a clue what you're talking about, or are you just spewing random accusations in the hopes that something might be true?

PS - its also kinda dumb to pretend a gun free zone can even exist when you're essentially expecting the bad guy to operate on the honor system.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:25 PM
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7. He's just "spewing random accusations" and doesn't care about the truth. nt
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:28 PM
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9. Does the state make money selling guns? Have I missed our FAC stores?
Mission

To control the distribution of Firearms; operate efficient, conveniently located retail outlets; enforce the laws of the Commonwealth pertaining to Firearms and youth access to Ammo products; and provide excellent customer service, a reliable source of revenue, and effective public safety.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:17 PM
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2.  (Your vote: -1) because you can't go two sentences without baiting
:puke: :nuke: :rant:
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:25 PM
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6. Person just happened to be pulled over by a cop at VT...
Nothing to do with being on Campus or college kids being intended victims.
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matt819 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:27 PM
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8. And how, prey tell, would guns on campus have changed things?
This is the only information available at that link:

Law enforcement officials tell NBC News they believe the second shooting victim at Virginia Tech University was the man who shot and killed the campus policeman.
NBC's Pete Williams reports that authorities say they're awaiting final confirmation but that they believe the campuswide alert for a gunman at large will soon be canceled.

So how would students, etc. having guns have changed the situation. A campus policeman was shot and killed, and the shooter was in turn shot and killed. We don't know who killed the gunman, and it is certainly inappropriate to suggest that more guns on campus would have changed anything. If anything, it looks like a criminal violation of the gun-free policy caused this tragedy.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:42 PM
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We_Have_A_Problem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:47 PM
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12. Nobody said they would
The guy shot a cop over a traffic stop. What caused this tragedy was not a violation of the "gun free" policy (which only applies to people actively attending the school or working there IIRC), but the criminal actions of one man.

Anyone who believes the policy would have been followed by this type of individual is a damned fool.
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discntnt_irny_srcsm Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 05:09 PM
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13. I have to disagree....
...the gun-free laws restrict anyone (with a few exceptions) from carrying within 1000 feet of a school, private property excepted. The gun was recovered on campus.

But I agree, expecting the criminals to follow the law is worse than foolish.
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We_Have_A_Problem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 05:35 PM
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14. The Gun Free School Zone Act
Was overturned by the USSC - US v. Lopez....It never did apply to university level environments anyway.

VA Tech's "gun free policy" is not law - but a school policy. Nothing more. All the school can do if you violate it is request that you leave as it does not carry the force of law.
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discntnt_irny_srcsm Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 05:42 PM
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15. Well then...
...shame on anyone who violates that policy. ;)
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 07:04 PM
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18. Are you encouraging people to tote on campus?
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 11:38 PM
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23. I encourage peaceful, polite exercise of all Civil Rights in any public setting. n/t
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We_Have_A_Problem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 09:23 AM
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24. I firmly believe...
...and actively encourage people to carry a firearm anywhere they are legally able to do so - if they wish to of course.

I also actively work to change laws which restrict carrying for arbitrary reasons.


You have a problem with that? It is my right after all - or does free speech only apply to those things with which you agree?
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discntnt_irny_srcsm Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 09:36 PM
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32. +1 n/t
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 05:44 PM
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16. who knows?
Unless you know all of the specifics of the case, there is no way of knowing. Did he even come in contact with any students? Did he even enter any of the buildings? If the answer is not to my questions, that is also the answer to your question.
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 09:47 AM
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25. As with all police officer deaths...
I'm going to anxiously await the facts of the case. It's quite relevant to my interests.

My heart goes out to the family of the fallen officer. It's just a job, until it becomes something much more serious.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 04:35 PM
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ManiacJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 07:39 PM
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19. Second man shot was the shooter.
CNN and Msnbc are both reporting that the second person shot was the shooter.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 08:53 PM
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21. and that's the only good news...
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 10:40 AM
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26. Did they find out what kind of cool gun the shooter used?
:shrug:
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 10:46 AM
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27. I think it was tactical 45 with a can and a reddot loaded with a killer clip.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 10:50 AM
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28. I knew it was cool!!!111
:thumbsdown:
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 12:56 PM
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29. No shoulder thing that goes up?
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 01:23 PM
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30. FN doesn't offer that as an accessory...maybe aftermarket?
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 04:10 PM
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31. Why? You want to go out and buy one?
The man murdered a police officer. There's nothing cool or funny about that.

Some people just can't resist dipping their hands in a dead cops' blood.
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