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mikeb302000 Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 03:29 AM
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Crazed Bus Shooter in Queens NY Kills Two
Edited on Mon Dec-05-11 03:31 AM by mikeb302000
The NY Daily News reports

Damel Burton carried a 9-mm. Ruger pistol with four rounds in it, and was carrying another nine rounds

The crazed ex-con who killed his girlfriend's son then opened fire inside a Queens bus packed with commuters, killing another man, was hoping for a bloodbath, prosecutors charge.

"The defendant stated that he would have shot more people but the gun jammed," prosecutor Suzanne O'Hare said in Queens Criminal Court during Damel Burton's arraignment.


Recently, when I mentioned that Ruger was a crap gun, no one seemed to agree. I suppose Damel Burton would.

Another thing the pro-gun crowd keep denying is that gun availability plays a part in these situations. Can you imagine that in New York City, where there are extremely strict gun control laws, a guy as crazy and paranoid as Damel, with a long felony record to boot, was able to get his hands on a gun. It's unbelievable and it's unacceptable. But the explanation is simple, and so is the solution.

What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
(cross posted at Mikeb302000)
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 08:10 AM
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1. What would you know about Rugers?
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 08:22 AM
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2. Plenty of our gun carrying friends here would have shot him before he got off his first shot.

The minute the perp stood up to fire, they would have pulled their weapon(s) and squeezed off a perfect shot to the head without endangering other passengers. Yea, right.

In fact, if our gun friends here had their way -- ten riders would have pulled their weapon(s) and squeezed off a shot without one other passenger being hit.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 08:29 AM
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3. The bus driver, on the other hand, would have been capped by one of the heroes' misses.
Welcome to the new normal in Armed America.

But don't you dare blame it on trivially-easy access
to guns!

Tesha
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 09:31 AM
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6. define hero
Edited on Mon Dec-05-11 09:35 AM by gejohnston
The bus driver, on the other hand, would have been capped by one of the heroes' misses.

That is more likely by a cop, partly because the typical CCW person knows something about guns, cops often do the bare minimum training and practice.

Welcome to the new normal in Armed America.

It is less common now than before, we just didn't have cable it-bleeds-it-leads "news"

But don't you dare blame it on trivially-easy access to guns!

A felon in New York City? He would have equally easy access in Rome, Toronto, London

Here is a question: If one of the VT victims while hiding and evading the lunatic that was shooting up the place (while the cops stood around outside with their fingers up their asses listening to the shots) happen to have a pistol and shot Cho, would that student be vilified by your side as a vigilante "hero"?
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 10:28 AM
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8. Surely you can cite to numerous such instances, amIrite? n/t
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 04:59 PM
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17. I blame your "new normal" on "crazed ex-cons"...
"The defendant stated that he would have shot more people but the gun jammed,"

No, I blame this crime on a "crazed ex-con," not the gun. He is an obvious example of the HyperPunk -- one who desires to commit mayhem and death. Maybe the real issue is why this HyperPunk was outside of his warehouse.

(hypothetically) Do you smoke pot? (hypothetically) Can you get hold of it easily?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 09:22 AM
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 01:27 PM
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14. Not in NY....we'd have watched like all legal owners are requried to do.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 04:53 PM
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16. I seriously doubt you have any "gun carrying friends", here or otherwise
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 04:45 PM
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27. Or "friends" of any kind...
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Remmah2 Donating Member (971 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 09:29 AM
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5. I'm sure the perp was a law abiding CCW.
Go figure, the rest of the law abiding citizens on the bus were just simply abiding the draconian NYC firearms laws.

The problem is simple: NYC gun laws are wrong.

The solution: restore full civil rights to NYC citizens.
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 12:57 PM
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9. He would not be the first, or last, law abiding gun owner who opened fire on innocents.
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We_Have_A_Problem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 01:04 PM
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10. Got many examples of that do you?
I mean actual factual examples...not made up ones.
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 01:15 PM
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11. I'm sure you skip examples regularly posted on this forum. So try Loughner and Cho for starters.

Then tell us how they were not "lawful gun owners" under your gun preserving definition.
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 01:20 PM
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12. These guys are rare compared
to the reverse.
What did VT campus police do while students were being murdered? Oh yeah, sit outside and listen to the shots.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 05:06 PM
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18. Actually, Cho wasn't a "lawful gun owner," but the paperwork wasn't...
passed up the food chain. Government bureaucracy trying to keep up with gun-control laws, many unfunded.

And I believe Virginia was "second best" in the most paperwork shoved upstream when compared with the other states. (California may have been first at the time.)

Loughner was a nut case, but nut cases have a way of flummoxing the bureaucracies: Too afraid and/or institutionally sympathetic to a spittle-flying bully, too underfunded to put him through adjudication.

Those are the real problems.
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We_Have_A_Problem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 05:34 PM
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20. For starters...
Edited on Mon Dec-05-11 05:36 PM by We_Have_A_Problem
Loughner was a nutball. The local constabulary failed in their job to do the proper reporting.

In Cho's case, he was also severely mentally flawed, and his parents obviously never got him the help he needed.

Yes, both were technically legal to own firearms, but in both cases, obviously someone had dropped the ball.

You want perfection? Forget it. Isn't going to happen.

If those are the sole examples you have though, they are hardly enough to support your claim.
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 07:35 PM
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21. Loughner was an unlawful user of controlled substances.
And thereby a prohibited person, according to federal law.

Got any other examples?
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 08:16 PM
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22. He passed and got his gun. If laws can't control who buys, maybe we need to cut back on gun sales.

I will listen for the whining from those who'll never have enough guns or places to carry them.
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 08:25 PM
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23. places to carry them?
unless there are metal detectors, don't see how he would be prevented by that. He could have just as easily got one from his drug connection.
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We_Have_A_Problem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 09:37 AM
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25. Laws control NOTHING.
Time for you to get that through your skull. What laws do is apply penalties for certain behavior after the fact.
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 04:53 PM
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29. Hahahahahahaha.
Edited on Tue Dec-06-11 04:54 PM by beevul
"If laws can't control who buys, maybe we need to cut back on gun sales."

If you can't control purchases through law, what makes you think you could control sales through law?


In the meantime, I'll be listening for the sound of the giant explosion sure to happen, when - like antimatter meeting matter - your fundamental disconnect, finally connects.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 01:23 PM
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13. Gun free zone or target rich zone?
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 04:50 PM
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15. I just can't believe that in a city like New York, that it's legal for a
crazed ex-con to be carrying around a pistol. Wait, is this a trick? It's not legal. So in spite of it's draconian gun laws in New York, it still happened. Criminals doing criminal things, eh.

"Recently, when I mentioned that Ruger was a crap gun, no one seemed to agree."

I would love to see why you think Ruger is a crap gun, but I'm not gonna read your piece of crap blog to find out why. I own two Rugers, a 9mm and a .40 cal and both are fine pistols. I am more partial to the .40, it fits my hand better and has a better recoil.

No one is gonna click on your blind links so if you want us to read your shit, post it here.

Unrec for the usual reasons.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 05:08 PM
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19. "Crazed ex-cons" are known for their pristinely-kept firearms. nt
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 10:19 PM
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24. And ex-gun criminals have been known to blame anyone save themselves for their crimes.
Edited on Mon Dec-05-11 10:19 PM by friendly_iconoclast
Some sort of half-assed attempt at expiation? Who knows, but thankfully they have little chance of success.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 04:46 PM
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28. Is it true that DU3 doesn't work in Italy? n/t
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montanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 03:08 PM
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30. Murder is bad. There should be a law against that.
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