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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 04:03 AM
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Looking for a new CCW waistpouch
Well, my 11-12 year old concealed carry waistpouch popped the zipper seam.

I'm looking for a replacement to carry my Glock 23. Anyone have any suggestions?

So much of what I see is very tactical looking in black, camo, or OD green. Or worse, leather.

I'd rather have something that looks touristy and in a quiet, non-confrontational color. Mine is teal.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 04:09 AM
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1. isn't this the gun policy forum?
My recollection is that the outdoor life forum is the appropriate place for such questions.

There might not actually be an appropriate forum at DU for discussing the merits of various commercial products and this one in particular. I'm sure there are many websites on the net that do offer such forums.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 04:45 AM
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3. Outdoor Life is for sport shooting discussions
This forum is for discussions dealing with guns for protection.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 05:44 AM
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7. shoots and misses
Fires very wide, in fact.

This forum is for discussions dealing with guns for protection.

Where are you getting your misinformation?

It's right there in the top post in the forum list:
Discussion of gun-related public policy issues or the use of firearms for self-defense belong in the Guns Forum.

Personal-interest discussion about guns and weaponry should be posted in the Outdoor Life Group. By "personal interest" I mean, any discussion that is unrelated to public policy, such as: Posting pictures of guns or discussing the leisure activities of hunting or shooting.

Your gun purse styling is "personal interest". It sure ain't mine.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:37 PM
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22. iverglas never even loads one in the chamber
"The purpose of the DU Outdoor Life Group is to discuss and share all aspects of hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, rock climbing, mountain biking, skiing and other outdoor sports.

We understand that hunting provokes a strong emotional response in many people. To those non-hunters honestly interested in why we hunt, we welcome your questions. To those that dislike hunting, please no flaming."

Self defense and CCW clearly doesn't fit there.

Thanks for playing.

Enjoy your parting gift.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 02:04 PM
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 02:23 PM
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35. Well, your efforts do look like a wordy breach-burst. nt
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 02:04 AM
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68. 
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 12:04 PM
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15. Proper holsters
are always a big issue in self-defense. Holster choice is probably more important than choice of firearm. Our guns spend much more time riding in a holster than they ever will be in use.

A fanny pack is what I carry when I'm really not too terribly concerned if anyone knows I'm carrying concealed. Most often I use mine in the woods. They don't snag in the brush as hard as regular holster.
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 02:38 PM
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37. Why would you carry concealed in the woods?
Trying not to spook them bears?
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 02:41 PM
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39. remember, it's a fashion statemet!
Edited on Thu Jul-28-11 02:42 PM by iverglas
What if you were to sprain your ankle and have to be airlifted out, and you were wearing a tatty gun pouch?

Surely your mother told you: always wear clean underwear, and always make sure your gun pouch matches your outfit, even if you're just going out into the woods!

Always tote your gun along, that goes without saying, of course.

:rofl:



fix that typo ...
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. I think the whole thing is hilarious
Why does it remind me of Warhol classic "Lonesome Cowboys"?
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:08 PM
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42. oh dear
Never even heard of that one. I need to get the co-vivant to find and download it, do I? ;)
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #42
54. Don't know if you want to go that far
unless you're into really bad art films, but it definitely has it's funny moments
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #39
67. Maybe in your village...
Edited on Fri Jul-29-11 12:31 AM by ProgressiveProfessor
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #37
47. Reading is fundamental
"They (fanny packs) don't snag in the brush as hard as regular holster."
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #47
55. Why would anyone carry a handgun in the woods?
Of course, I don't understand why anyone would carry a handgun anywhere, but that's just me and about 250 million other people.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #55
59. Do you understand the need for the right to do so? nt
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 10:25 PM
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61. Of course. You know I do, but I'm not questioning their rights
Just curious as to why anyone would go hunting or hiking in the woods with a handgun, especially concealed. Seems pretty bizarre to me, but it takes all kinds, I guess.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 10:51 PM
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63. People get mugged, raped, and murdered im the woods too. nt
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 03:18 PM
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100. They do? Oh, yeah "Deliverance"
I'd love to see the stats on that and then compare them to how many get shot by inept hunters. Dick Cheney?!?
Is this really the stage we've got to? Pistol packin' fashionistas in the woods? That's some funny shit.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #100
103. now, that one
I've heard of.

;)
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #100
106. Hey, if I see Dick Cheney
or Sarah Palin in the woods, I'm heading in the opposite direction. Most ten year olds I know are more careful than those two.
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #106
111. Me too. LOL
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 05:07 PM
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115. When i lived in Nashville
Percy Warner Park (2000 acres) averaged one assault a year. I'm on a phone or I'd look it up for you, but game wardens and park rangers are assaulted as much or more than cops as I recall.

People backpack with very expensive gear on their backs. And they usually have car keys. What better way to mug somebody but in the middle of nowhere out of cell range.

It doesn't happen often. But if it happens to you it only takes one. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt and smarmy disapproval in the face if a real danger is unflattering.
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 05:59 PM
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172. To be honest, if I lived in Nashville, a city I have driven through numerous times
and spent the night in occasionally, I would probably carry a gun. It is, without a doubt, my least favorite place to drive through, especially with California or NY plates. Worst drivers in the country, IMO. Aggressive and discourteous and the cops that I encountered were assholes. So, yeah, I'd carry, same as if I were in Iraq.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #172
173. LOL
I can't argue but Memphis might be worse. Try it in a 26 foot truck sometime.

:rofl:
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #173
178. Yep, done Memphis too, but if I lived in either place I'd arm up and trade the Prius for a Hummer
Ain't gonna happen though
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tortoise1956 Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:25 AM
Response to Reply #61
66. I can think of several reasons
depending on which woods you're in.

Black bears - although most handguns are at the hairy edge of usefulness on a bear
Wild pigs - definitely a real threat in many areas of the south
rabid animals - not very likely, but it happens

I'm sure there are others, these immediately came to mind.
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #66
102. All valid reasons to carry a shotgun
I think a hefty walking stick would serve better than a handgun. But your best defense in the woods or anywhere is being aware and alert.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #102
126. A shotgun if you are expecting something. If not expecting trouble the handgun
is much more practical to carry.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:11 AM
Response to Reply #61
79. and lord only knows why someone would imply you were
If you said "why would anyone shave their head and spend their days riding a unicycle", I wonder how likely it is that someone would reply "Do you understand the need for the right to do so?"

Yee-eesh.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #61
82. Nice for you to ask for information, since you are not familiar with this topic.
Why Handguns:

1. Humans with various nefarious purposes, such as protecting grow ops, rape/murder, etc. Some scumbags consider people far out in the woods, with probably limited cell coverage, and distant police reponse, to be easy targets.
2. Predators. There are several types of animals that may predate upon humans, especially given human pressures on their natural habitat/food supply.
3. Some handguns are expressly designed for hunting purposes, for certain species.
4. Handguns are easier to carry than a rifle, both weight and lenght-wise (long guns are awkward for most people to carry casually)

Why Concealed:

1. All the same reasons people carry concealed in general public plus:
2. Keeps the firearm clean/dry, improving reliabilty.
3. Snag reduction (can also be a safety issue).
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 03:38 PM
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105. The only thing I'd be afraid of in the woods would be encountering
some guy with a concealed handgun suffering from a snag reduction issue who is afraid of any kind of confrontation. Which handgun is designed for hunting non humans that you would carry in a designer fanny pack/pouch?
What are you gonna' do about that big old grizzly after you've shot him with your pistol and he keeps on coming? Oops! Probably should've brought the trusty old 12 gauge. Ah well.
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #105
107. 44 mag, huge
but grizzlies are only in the west. I do know a guy that killed one with a .22. Of course, he had to put the barrel in the bear's mouth do it but he survived and made some plastic surgeon rich.
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #107
109. Yep. I'll stick with a 12 gauge in any outdoor situation where bears or wil boar roam
I did get chased by a small herd (about 20) of buffalo a few years ago when my dog interfered with their siesta. No gun would have helped. Fortunately, I managed to leg it to a copse of trees just in time.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #109
128. You know, I hear that Sara Palin prefers a 12 gauge while hiking too.
Probably much better if you are expecting griz, but I think I'll stick with a handgun as I don't hike in bear country.
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #128
137. Me neither. So I carry a GPS and cellphone if anything
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #137
141. Ain't life grand? Nobody telling you what you can and cannot choose to carry,
the way it should be.
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #141
143. Nobody has the right to tell you what, why or how to carry.
Of course when and where is a whole other discussion.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #143
144. Your right, walking around with a GPS in public is a distraction and dangerous. It should
be banned.
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #144
145. Why would you advocate banning a GPS in public? Defies logic
Everyone who has a cellphone has GPS built in. You want to ban cellphones too?
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 09:54 AM
Response to Reply #145
162. Hey, I'm just agreeing with you. We seem to have a
difference of opinion on WHAT should be banned in public. I wonder what the fundies will add to your list.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #105
112. As I said, you don't know much about this issue.
There are handguns quite useful for killing a bear, up to and including a Grizzly. I'd prefer a nuclear bomb, but they are harder to carry, and even harder to throw past the minimum blast radius.

Have people with concealed carry permits, carrying concealed in a lawful manner (ie: where not prohibited) a big problem for you?

I know I don't like confrontations, that's why I carry a gun. Do you start a lot of confrontations in which someone carrying a firearm might become alarmed for their safety? You might consider modifying your behavior.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #112
117. whoa, that's edging over toward the weird
Do you start a lot of confrontations in which someone carrying a firearm might become alarmed for their safety? You might consider modifying your behavior.

How the hell can someone be expected to predict what might "alarm" someone else, whether or not they are carrying a firearm?

What I want to know, myself, is that if someone chooses to get "alarmed" by something I say or do, I can count on the odds of them having a firearm on their person being very low. Which I can. I'm just lucky.

"An armed society is a polite society" ... getting one's way through intimidation.

I know I don't like confrontations, that's why I carry a gun.

Maybe you should just consider that behaviour-modification option.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #117
121. There is zero reason for someone to start a confrontation with me in the woods, period.
None at all.

If someone does, the bar for 'alarmed for my safety' is entirely up to my subjective interpretation, but I may have to explain that bar I selected to a judge/grand jury, sitting in a comfortable air-conditioned room, with no experience in such events, in cold blood, when they have better things to do.

Essentially, I stated nothing different than any other situation wherein I might fear for my safety and be justified in using lethal force in self defense. Please do not try to artificially read anything else into my statement.


My question stands unanswered: Is that poster starting a lot of confrontations in which someone carrying a firearm might become alarmed?
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #112
146. Which handgun would you recommend for killing grizzlies?
And how big would your "discreet pouch" have to be? I think we have to draw a line on the nuclear option.
Are people carrying concealed weapons a big problem for me? No, not even a small problem. Why would they be? I don't hang with those folk. I think they are a potential problem for themselves.
"I know I don't like confrontations, that's why I carry a gun." That's one of the most absurd statements I've seen yet. How do you use your gun to avoid confrontation without being confrontational?
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #105
127. Charter Arms has a great snub nosed .44 just for Grizzly defense.
Although I understand that modern pepper spray is very affective against griz, I still think that a handgun is much more practical. After all, it is still the preferred weapon of defense by law enforcement.
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #127
147. I'll go with the pepper spray
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #147
185. Carry both
Pepper spray is suppose to be more effective than a handgun. I believe they make a super-strength, high-volume pepper-spray "fogger" kind of thing, like a small fire extinguisher, really, for bear attacks.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #55
140. I carry mine as a close predator support firearm....never in the woods without my 45
hopefully I'll have a 357 later on this fall, but I never hit the woods without my 45. Doesn't matter if I'm there with my bow, muzzle loader, shotgun, or rifle. Never hurts to have a backup and 12 more rounds for four legged or two legged predators.
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Marengo Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #37
57. I CC in the woods...
I have no desire to alarm any hikers we may encounter. Seems sensible to me. :shrug:
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #57
62. Which part seems sensible?
The hiding of the gun?
Not wanting to alarm any hikers?
Carrying a handgun in the woods?
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 02:09 AM
Response to Reply #62
70. Carrying concealed and in the woods makes sense to me.
I tend to eschew confrontation, whether armed or not.
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #70
101. If you eschew confrontation I have 2 questions for you
1. Why are you on this forum? Because it is very confrontational here.
2. Why do you ever leave home? Because it is a confrontational world we live in.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #101
113. Easy.
1. If such confrontation is not enjoined, certain people will take away our rights.
2. Starving to death indoors sucks, and just because people don't like confrontation, doesn't mean they need to isolate themselves from the positive things the world has to offer. We simply take precautions.
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #113
135. That's you, not our friend Kennah who eschews confrontation
That's why I asked him the question. I trust you're getting a clear picture of what we're dealing with here.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #101
149. I should have been more specific
I eschew violent, physical confrontation.

1) I think the subject is important, and I'm not afraid of civil discourse.

2) Maybe you're afraid of life, but I'm not. I don't find that life in the U.S. to be particularly confrontational, and I'm speaking of the violent, physical type of confrontations. Most people don't try to harm others. It's one of the reasons I reject the Christian fundamentalist notion that we're all born to sin. Vast majority of the time, the vast majority of the people are trying to do the right thing.
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #149
169. Good. I eschew physical confrontations too and I abhor violence
I am not afraid of life and I agree that life in the US is not particularly confrontational, at least physically. That is why I find the very idea of toting a handgun around on a routine basis to be beyond absurd. And to defend that kind of behavior by quoting a so-called right, written by a bunch of guys over two centuries ago, when firearms were single shot pistols and muskets, is so beyond the realm of reason that it boggles the mind.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #169
179. You could argue over the 1A when the Internet didn't exist. Still a poor argument.
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Marengo Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 06:31 AM
Response to Reply #62
76. Well, all three points are sensible...
Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #76
163. Maybe it's just me, but none of it makes sense
If I were hiking or hunting and saw someone carrying a concealed handgun in the woods, I would think he was either hunting humans or irrationally insecure. As a hiker, I would expect to encounter hunters with bows, rifles and shotguns and possibly an additional large holstered handgun.
But if all he had was a concealed handgun in a fanny pack, that would be alarming.
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Marengo Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #163
164. Um, concealed means hidden, you can't see it.
My appearance is the same as any other unarmed hike, you would not notice that I am carrying a firearm. That is the point. The open display of weapons on the trail may not alarm you, but I can relay from experience is does many others. I consider CC in this circumstance to be an act of courtesy.
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #164
165. What you see as an act of courtesy I see as an act of deceipt
How fucking condescending can you be? Not to mention naive, thinking that your designer gun pouch would not be recognizable. And if your gun is so small that nobody can spot it then it's probably useless anyway. If someone is carrying a handgun, which btw, is designed primarily to shoot humans, I want to be able to see it. That way, I can give it and it's bearer a wide berth. That is courtesy.
I think you are being dishonest and carry concealed out of embarrassment, which makes a lot more sense.
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Marengo Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 06:37 AM
Response to Reply #165
186. What a facile, childish response...
For you to accuse another of condescension and deceit is comical at the very least. The foundation of your presence here is built on deceit with your disingenuous claim to be engaging in debate for the purpose of understanding. You have no interest in understanding, when someone with more knowledge on the subject attempts to educate you, you respond with moral condescension.

Secondly you really haven't sufficient knowledge to discuss this subject intelligently. Do you believe that every CWer carries their handguns in some type of easily recognizable container. The answer is no, the vast majority do not. If you passed me on the trail, you WOULD NOT notice any indication that I might be carrying.

A handgun is nothing more than a portable firearm designed to deliver a projectile to a target. It is no more "designed to shoot humans" than the shotgun you apparently so approve of. As for the model, my method of transportation ON THE TRAIL allows me to carry a handgun with sufficient power to neutralize nearly any threat I may encounter, human or animal.

Lastly, I am under no moral obligation to allow you to "see it". Your problem with CC is, well, your problem and doesn't influence me in the least.
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #163
167.  If he/she were carrying concealed, then how could you know? Magic? n/t
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #167
168. Hmm! Lemme think. Oh yeah, maybe that fashionista gun pouch he's wearing
with a big old bulge in it. Not to mention the aura of paranoia he is probably emitting as he strolls through the woods waiting to be mugged and raped. Do you seriously believe anyone carrying only a handgun in a designer pouch is not going to be rather obvious?
I'm sure you would never do that. You'd probably be armed to the teeth with enough weaponry to deal with any situation.
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #168
175.  No, I only carry one, a SIG 220. I have faith in my weapon, and my ability to use it. n/t
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #175
177. Which version? Combat, carry, compact?
All seem a little bulky to me for a fanny pack. And I guess you don't get too many grizzlies in Tejas
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #177
184.  The full size 220, 45cal.. I carry IWB strong side with a 30deg cant.
I also tend to wear a tucked in T shirt and a loose fitting sleeveless shirt. What you can't see won't disturb you, unless you are paranoid.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #62
85. All of the above.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #62
129. All of them.
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Marengo Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-19-13 06:13 AM
Response to Reply #57
188. Clarification: I do not under any circumstances...
carry a concealed firearm without the appropriate license issued in my state of residence. This purpose of this statement was argumentative and intended to elicit a response from the poster.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 02:06 AM
Response to Reply #37
69. I can carry openly in the woods here in WA, but I still carry concealed
Not bears I'm worried about spooking. In fact, I don't much worry about non-human wildlife at all when I'm in the woods.
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #69
97. Then why would you carry a handgun?
Are you afraid of being mugged or raped?
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #97
108. Why not?
When I was in high school and college, I open carried in Wyoming while hiking or hunting. Of course, at that time CCW was a strict may issue. To answer your question, no specific reason.
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #108
110. Why not? When I'm hiking I don't carry more than I need
and a handgun would not be on my list.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #110
114. That is, of course, your choice based upon your interpretation of risk assessment.
You also don't live where I do, two women were murdered on a popular hiking trail 2 miles from my porch not long ago. Problems happen. Tools help you solve problems.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #114
119. ah, just what I've been looking for, a case in point
two women were murdered on a popular hiking trail 2 miles from my porch not long ago

Now, do we know they were not packing? And what basis do we have for believing that if they had been, they would not have been killed?

Is it wise to have a pistol in one's hand as one hikes along? If not, is there a way of telling whether the person or persons overtaking or coming toward one on a hiking trail are going to lunge, upon reaching lunging distance? Are most assailants so stupid that they stand aside and give victims time to reach for and draw and aim their firearm?

Problems happen. Tools help you solve problems.

Not if the problem sees you first.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #119
122. They were not carrying a firearm.
It is entirely possible they would not have been able to defend themselves, even if they had been carrying. Since they live in this state, they had every legal opportunity to arm themselves and chose not to. It would be unfair for me to assume that they certainly would take a life in self defense. Some people choose not to, and that is their right. (two victims, beaten to death by what police believe was a single attacker)

There are certainly instances where people who had a gun actually pointed at them by an assailant, were still able to draw, aim, fire, and wound or kill their attacker, so no, there are no absolutes, in either direction. You may have a tool and be completely unable to use it. Circumstances vary too widely to allow for reliable prediction.

You've identified why concealed carry is important; you have initiative. If they see the gun on your hip, the attack may come (if it comes at all) in a form most disadvantageous, since the attacker knows what form your response will take.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #122
130. ah yes, as I've said
Edited on Fri Jul-29-11 06:30 PM by iverglas
If they see the gun on your hip, the attack may come (if it comes at all) in a form most disadvantageous, since the attacker knows what form your response will take.

The gun on the hip is of little use against the person who comes up from behind with a 2x4.



... little use, little use, not little sue ...
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #130
131. Side point
I wish we had better criminal activity reporting in this country. It should be much easier than it is to discuss legal defensive gun use in this country. Of course, we can never capture how many attacks might be prevented entirely, because the potential attacker was awed by the potential victim having a firearm, but actual DGU's have thin reporting.

60k per year is actually quite a lot, but I don't entirely even trust the DOJ numbers, and then there's the absurd Kleck studies..

Reporting isn't rocket science. It should be uniform and reliable across all states. It isn't. It really does hurt useful firearms policy discussion.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #131
133. absolutely
And then if only we had comparable comparables ...

For instance, I distrust comparisons of US robbery rates with any other country. Robberies in US more often end in homicides (or serious injury) than in countries like Canada and the UK, because firearms are present at multiply higher rates. The higher offence is what shows up in the stats.

England/Wales counts minor assaults as crimes of violence; the US doesn't.

Then there's my favourite: Canada no longer has an offence called "rape"; there are various degrees of sexual assault, depending on the level of violence/presence of a weapon, from mere touching on up. In internal statistics they are separated out. I've seen international comparisons (diligently quoted in this forum) where Canada's aggregate "sexual assault" rates are compared with the "rape" rates in the US, for example. The comparison is nonsense on its face and the numbers should never have been presented for comparison, but there's always somebody who will eat such things up.

Reporting practices are definitely a problem with any comparison as well. There are figures routinely presented in lists of international figures that are too obviously a result of misreporting by the domestic authority (like, such-and-such a country simply does not have a homicide rate that low).

And then, of course, when it comes to reporting re firearms, there's that whole congressional interference thang ...
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #110
116. Did come in handy
when I wanted fresh food for dinner. Late fall if you want rabbit.
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #116
138. Reminds me of my grandma
When I was a kid she'd take me out to find rabbit and pick mushrooms. She used a walking cane to catch and kill the rabbit. I only had a bow and arrows. She was always faster than me with that cane.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #97
150. It's not fear. It's preparedness. Like wearing a seatbelt.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 09:45 AM
Response to Reply #150
161. are there people where you're at who are prohibited from wearing seatbelts?
I wonder why ........ not.
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #150
171. No it isn't anything like wearing a seatbelt.
Seatbelts are designed specifically to save lives. Handguns are designed specifically to take lives. Can you honestly not see the absurdity of your reasoning.
Preparedness is taking an umbrella or first aid kit or spare tire or flashlight or a bottle opener.
Being prepared with a gun means being prepared to shoot. I take a shotgun when hunting and know I'm probably going to shoot something with it.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #171
180. Pretty poor design given how infrequently handguns kill
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #150
174. Exactly...a handgun is just another life saving device...a PSD if you will.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 04:46 AM
Response to Reply #1
4. And thank you for moderating where it's not needed
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 05:42 AM
Response to Reply #4
6. oh, but I want to thank you more
for posting your inane fashion statement woes in a forum dedicated to public policy.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #6
18. and things pertaining to self defense
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #6
21. You keep doing hit and run, and you're going to kill someone
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 04:14 AM
Response to Original message
2. Is a waist pouch like a fanny pack? I've got one in black leather for my 1911
that I really like from e-bay but I have not seen anything in Teal. Maybe this is one of those unfilled needs that could spawn a new home business. CCW accessories with a designer flair?

I'm serious.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #2
24. I think certainly a low key fashion sense should be part of a pouch
So many of them have too much of a tactical look.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 05:06 AM
Response to Original message
5. Why don't you hire a fashion consultant?
Edited on Thu Jul-28-11 05:07 AM by Kolesar
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 06:00 AM
Response to Reply #5
8. ...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :D
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 06:00 AM
Response to Original message
9. Crochet one.
That way you get to pick the colors that please you.
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 07:46 AM
Response to Reply #9
11. LOL
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 07:46 AM
Response to Original message
10. Nows a good time to quit carrying the dang things.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #10
17. And the WCTU (yes, they're still around) will tell you the same thing about drinking
What's your point?
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. First point is that DU is not the Gun Shoppers Network. Second, folks don't need to carry.

But in the spirit of cooperation, here's a link to holster any gunner would love::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfW0bBgnSFw&feature=rela...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:32 PM
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20. Deleted message
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #19
26. First, I missed your appointment as mod. Second, don't care about your thoughts on my needs.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #26
48. that just makes us all even, doesn't it?
I think I was really the first to say it, though.

I don't care about your fanny pack.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 02:10 AM
Response to Reply #48
71. Sounds like wind blowing, but less intelligent.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #19
142. OWB all the way I'll never IWB
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #142
151. I go with either IWB or waistpouch. OWB v. IWB, I don't get too emotional about one or the other.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #151
170. It's all personal choice...
Just as long az we carry and carry safely.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #19
176. This one is better.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:38 PM
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 08:23 AM
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12. G23 Excellent choice in a carry pistol...good taste, great firearm.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 08:58 AM
Response to Original message
13. Here's a good pouch candidate.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #13
25. Ya know, I really like it. Wonder if I could get a local seamstress to sew a velcro patch inside.
Edited on Thu Jul-28-11 01:46 PM by Kennah
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 11:04 AM
Response to Original message
14. This is the style that I use.
Edited on Thu Jul-28-11 12:03 PM by Hoopla Phil
http://www.gungear.com/ez-catalog/X300536/3

On edit: What I like about it is the ability to set my own angle that the pistol ride at and the way the pouches are laid out. There is room form my Surefire Z2, car keys etc in one pouch, another pouch is just perfect for my checkbook and a pen, and the last pouch is sized just right for an extra 1911 magazine.

Good luck in your search for a replacement.


On a side not, is it not interesting all the spam being posted by the anti's?
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #14
29. +1000!
Thank you very much. I believe you have just clued me into the maker of my pouch. The Cordura Fannypack looks exactly like mine, and I remember the company was in Oregon.

I had long since lost the contact info for the company because it's proven so damned durable and reliable.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #29
36. Glad to help. I bought my first one in 1995. Had to get a replacement two years ago.
They are well made.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #14
30. OOH! They have purple!
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 11:01 PM
Response to Reply #30
64. I'd personally get a pink one, just to mess with heads all across the political spectrum.
Edited on Thu Jul-28-11 11:12 PM by friendly_iconoclast
Hey, I'm secure, if others don't dig my fashion choices- Fuck 'em.


I think what's disturbing certain posters is that they "knew" (or thought they did) what CCW permitees look and act like.


Now those of a more, shall we say, excitable persuasion will be getting hinky whenever they see someone with a fanny pack.

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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 02:16 AM
Response to Reply #64
72. I'm secure enough to wear pink ...
... and I do like bright colors. I just wonder if it's too bright or flashy (pink, lime, day glo orange, etc) that it might draw attention leading some to think "gun".

I'm really leaning towards a two tone in purple and grey, then get pick up a UW Husky's patch and have it sewn on the bag.
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #72
123. don't worry about that
I just wonder if it's too bright or flashy (pink, lime, day glo orange, etc) that it might draw attention leading some to think "gun".

Gun would be the last thing that would come to mind. But then, blue and OD green are my favorite colors. I don't picture anyone putting gun and fanny pack together. Those who would, wouldn't care.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #64
81. hell yeah, why not exploit one MORE stereotyped group
and the historical disadavantages and abuse they have suffered, to advance yer own agenda?

Not that the exploitation of this particular group by gun militants is actually novel ...


I think what's disturbing certain posters is that they "knew" (or thought they did) what CCW permitees look and act like.

I think you need to go back to the institute to get your psychoanalytical certification upgraded.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #81
92. And what "stereotyped group" would that be? What do they "look and act like"?
Not that the exploitation of this particular group by gun militants is actually novel ...


They're incapable of agency? Wow, someone needs to organize a sit-down and explain their false consciousness to them!


I think you need to go back to the institute to get your psychoanalytical certification upgraded.



Ya know what? You're right- soon I might be pretending that I have the ability to discern for others where their true best interests

lie.

Gotta put a stop to that, amirite?








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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #81
152. What color is the sky in your world?
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #152
158. well I'll tell you one thing
I'm not going to say "pink" so I can try to ride the coattails of people who have suffered oppression that I'm a stranger to.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #158
181. That wasn't fair of me to ask
Given how foggy your thinking is on this issue, you might not be able to see the sky in your world.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #14
95. On a side note, is it not interesting all the spam being posted by the anti's?
Edited on Fri Jul-29-11 01:05 PM by Tuesday Afternoon
indeed. and, I see the Mods have been all over this thread still the insults and snark and outright stupidity in this thread abound.

I feel for the Mods.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #95
124. Yep. You'd think we were talking about a woman's right to choose rather than
what fanny pack to choose. Oh the irony!
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Lurks Often Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 12:19 PM
Response to Original message
16. Try Galco.com, they used to make them in different colors n/t
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:58 PM
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27. I often see discussions of commercial products in other DU forums. Like, don't like, etc.
Somehow the antigun loons in here don't like it when it comes to carrying.

Outdoor Life has discussions of this hunting rifle or that shotgun, but that didn't seem like the place for CCW related products.

If you don't like it, then alert away.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 02:10 PM
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #27
40. What do you mean by anti-gun loons?
Are you suggesting that those who are against toting guns around are crazy? You must be kidding.
And teal? LOL
Tell me, the OP is a joke, right?
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #40
44. oh, now, be careful
You have said "anti-gun loons". Not very nice. Your post may be deleted.

:rofl:
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #40
45. I thought is was plainly obvious. Is that a commentary on me. . .or on you???
:shrug:
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #45
50. well, I would say
that your use of the expression is definitely a commentary on you.

I'd further say that the query about it was a commentary on the person who made it: that the person is sufficiently courteous that they enquire about the meaning of bizarre-on-their-face statements to be sure they are not misapprehending them.

Not a skill or concern in large supply around here, I know, but there you go: a model.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 02:20 AM
Response to Reply #40
73. Going batshit crazy over asking if anyone has any ideas of a good waistpouch counts.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:04 AM
Response to Reply #73
77. fascinating
Finding it rude and obnoxious to occupy space in a POLICY discussion forum with one's personal hobby/fashion statement problems makes a person an "anti-gun loon" and "batshit crazy" to boot.

Sometimes the things people say end up saying way more about themselves than about anyone else.

This is one of those cases.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #77
83. If this thread offends you so much, why don't you just hide it?
I'm sure you alerted on it, the mods apparently think this is the place for this thread.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #83
86. because I'm not a scaredy-cat
I don't put people on "ignore" (let alone then follow them around announcing what I have done and spewing ugly verbiage at them).

I don't "hide" threads.

I also don't stick my head in the sand for long periods every day to avoid hearing the daily news.

This thread doesn't "offend" me. Objections to something based on a principle may not be dismissed as being based on someone taking "offence" to it. That's the right wing's game. Violent pornography "offends" feminists; racist stereotyping "offends" people of colour; ugly misrepresentations of their religion "offend" Muslims. Nope. And I'm not "offended" by this thread, ta.
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #73
99. Well, it's somewhat unusual to discuss fashion accessories in a political forum
But it did make me chuckle. But, to be honest, if I were afraid to go in the woods without a gun, the only apparel question I might have would be my choice of underwear.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #99
125. check out the Lounge some time -
or the entertainment forum.
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 06:39 PM
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132. I wouldn't call them political forums.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #132
134. wow, duh,eh?
:rofl:
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #99
153. Clearly appears to be a very politically charged fashion accessory
Edited on Fri Jul-29-11 10:28 PM by Kennah
Let's see, they have Navy Blue and Red. If I decorate the pouch with Obama 2012 pins ...

http://store.barackobama.com/barack-obama-2012-buttons....

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:10 PM
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43. Deleted message
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:58 PM
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28. You'll shoot yer junk off!
Edited on Thu Jul-28-11 01:58 PM by jpak
:evilgrin:
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #28
32. There are these things called rules
Rule #1: All guns are always loaded.
Rule #2: Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
Rule #3: Keep your finger off the trigger until the sights are aligned with the target and you are ready to shoot.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 02:14 PM
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:08 AM
Response to Reply #32
78. yes there are indeed
However, the things you have posted are not called "rules", except by people playing let's pretend.

Failing to "obey" these things you have posted will have no consequence other than the possibility of someone getting hurt.

If you want to propose that there be punishment for people who fail to obey the rule:

"Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy."

for example, do say so, and let us know what sentence would fit that crime.

Not sure how one would enforce the "rule":

"All guns are always loaded."

... which is a nonsense anyway ... but do feel free to tell us.

Maybe if you put some thought into the meaning of the term "rule" it would be beneficial all round.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 02:38 PM
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38. Deleted sub-thread
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:27 PM
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46. Well, seeing as how the mods have visited this thread now (note the deleted posts) and it remains
in the guns forum. I'd say, the mods have deemed it opened in the right place.

Apologies from the frustrated moderator want to be's may now begin.


:hide:

:grouphug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:49 PM
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49. Deleted message
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #46
52. The post is about a legit self defense subject.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #52
56. this post is about FANNY PACKS
and the best colour thereof.

Look in the mirror, folks.

See how ridiculous you look.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #56
58. Conceal carry methods come in all forms...still self defense.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 04:20 PM
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51. Sent you a PM
Tommy's Gun Packs do colors.
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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 06:14 PM
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53. *Giggles at the people thrown into paroxysms by a simple question*
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #53
65. I know, I know. They just get sooo upset that others don't care about *their* likes and dislikes.
Fanny packs aren't even weapons (well, not unless you put three rolls of quarters in one...).
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #65
84. really?
Hmmm ... hmmm ... who are these "they" you speak of in such vague and plausibly-deniable terms?

Me, the idea that I would even want someone here to "care about" my "likes and dislikes" ... ew.


Fanny packs aren't even weapons

Hey, we may be seeing a glimmer of grasp here ...

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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 09:10 PM
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60. Tommy's Gun Packs
Different sizes and colors.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 02:27 AM
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74. Well, I think now we all know ...
... if there's every a slow week on the Gungeon, just ask about CCW apparel or gear.

I sent an Email off to gungear.com asking about getting my bag repaired.

I think I'm also getting really set on a second bag in purple and grey with a UW Huskies patch sewn on. I think it would be pretty.

Please, please, please, someone turn me in to the authorities at the UW for gross neglect and misuse of the Huskies logo. Iverglas? Anyone?
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 02:31 AM
Response to Reply #74
75. And my thanks to all of the adults who responded.
Assembling a list of pack options is great in and of itself. Being able to share with others having the same question, "Oh, yeah, and I got this list assembled from DU" is priceless.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #75
88. oh, 'fess up
"Oh, yeah, and I got this list assembled from DU"

You're just hoping for a mention in The Guardian.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:13 AM
Response to Reply #74
80. Next week US palm body armor...
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #74
87. ah yes, the commercial endorsement
I believe I alluded to that element in a post.

Yup, the Guns forum is for touting products and promoting their manufacturer/distributors.

Hmm, I actually thought that was what it was not for.

You imagine I give a toss about these Huskies? Perhaps you imagine that I know what they are.

I find your repeated reference to sewing their patch on your fanny pack vaguely amusing. I'm not a person who has ever felt compelled to announce my allegiance to any brand name by wearing it on my person; in fact, I have never done so, and make a point of not doing so.

A professional sports team logo (that being what I assume it is) on a firearm holder. Seems quite appropriate to me.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:32 AM
Response to Reply #87
89. Huskies is probably a reference to the UConn Huskies
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=1040&bih=628&q=u...

Do you also object to threads in other forums on here discussing purchases? I mean I see them all the time "What _______ do you recommend?" Heck, I posted in the Lounge the other day asking people about scooters and Vespas versus other brands. That was clearly promoting a specific manufacturer. Or is it just that because this was gun related that you're upset?
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:04 PM
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90. The Lounge!
That's it! That's where this thread would have found its home!

I don't look at that forum once a year, so it had slipped my mind.

Is that where you wandered in from??

Thanks!


Or is it just that because this was gun related that you're upset?

I won't venture to guess what the reason is for your own emotional state.

And not just because I wouldn't be so pig-ignorant as to characterize you as being in any particular emotional state at all that I know not to be true and allege only for my own self-serving purposes ...
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #90
91. No, I didn't wander in from the Lounge
I rarely post in there. I usually stick to GD, but I do read the Gun forum and others frequently.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #91
93. I have to give you credit.
You are much more patient with self-appointed volunteer mods than I could ever be...
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #93
94. I do read in here often.
I guess I was just struck how an innocent question regarding a carrying case for a gun turned into this thread. :shrug:
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #94
96. It brought out a few traits in the wowser types: 1. ANYTIME is a teachable moment for them.
2. As the level of self-righteousness rises, the tone deafness rises along with it. The Phelps Klan is simply the most extreme

example. We tend to attract the lesser would-be moral dictators, as you have seen.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 03:03 PM
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98. gosh, my stars, heavens to betsy, what a conundrum
I guess I was just struck how someone would think the Guns forum, a forum for the discussion of public policy, would be regarded as the appropriate place for someone to seek advice about where to acquire an appropriately coloured clothing item.

Of course then I was struck by all the efforts to squelch any opinion expressed by anyone who wondered this.

Note that anyone's opinion about the appropriateness of a post in a forum is equally valid, at least where that opinion is based on and consistent with the applicable policies. Some opinions just happen to be authoritative while others aren't.

When the US Supreme Court approved the involuntary sterilization of certain classes of persons, its opinion was authoritative.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 03:29 PM
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104. Deleted message
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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #98
118. You need to learn to let go.
Being this hung up on such a small matter can't be good for you.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #118
120. snork
Small matter indeed. ;)

Funny what big guns were drawn to defend it though, eh?

:rofl:

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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #98
156. is this

When the US Supreme Court approved the involuntary sterilization of certain classes of persons, its opinion was authoritative.

the Godwin's Law loophole?
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #98
157. If it were just clothes and color, you never woulda played.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 09:43 AM
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159. eh?
If it were just clothes and colour, it would have been moved to the Lounge.

Oh look ... it IS just clothes and colour ...
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 08:08 PM
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182. Still getting a 404
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #94
148. Must be karma paying me back for a past life sin
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:46 PM
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155. I got a 404 when I clicked on iverglasisamodondu.com
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 09:44 AM
Response to Reply #155
160. what did you get
when you clicked on the rules for this forum?

Must 'a been wingdings to you.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 08:10 PM
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183. I read the rules of both Guns and Outdoor Life before posting
Do you have the 404 copy?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 07:13 PM
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136. Deleted message
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 07:32 PM
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139. please say "yea"
if you don't have me on ignore
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:31 PM
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154. I meant the other one. The UW Huskies.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #154
166. A surprisingly long thread
considering the simplicity of the question.
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 07:26 AM
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187. Wow, the crazies are out on this one.
The OP asked a simple question about a safe and secure holster system and the whole thing turns into another purse fight. This one is a classic, with appeals to ignorance, insults, and some of the silliest arguments I've seen in a long time. Well done, guys.
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