Cops: Highly Intoxicated Man Caught Driving With Loaded Gun (permit holder)

[jpak]

http://middletown-ct.patch.com/articles/cops-highly-intoxicated-man-caught-driving-with-loaded-gun

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CARRYING FIREARM WHILE UNDER INFLUENCE OF ALCOHOL OR DRUG, POSSESSION UNDER 4 OZ MARIJUANA — On April 30, Andrew J. Sansevero, 24, of Bella Drive was a passenger in a routine motor vehicle stop and allowed police to search his car. He failed to disclose he had a loaded .40 caliber Glock 23 pistol and had a strong scent of alcohol on his breath. His speech was slurred and eyes glossy. He had a valid pistol permit and the gun was registered. Eleven grams of marijuana was found on the passenger seat floor. His blood alcohol level was .265. He was given a May 11 court date.

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nuff said

yup

[ileus]

1. DUI with Illegal drugs, good job officer.

[Hoyt]

38. Should get him for a gun charge, and throw the book at him.

[Euromutt]

40. Note: not DUI, he wasn't driving the car (n/t)

[villager]

2. reliably unrecc'd by the "to have a permit is to be an infallible god!" crowd

n/t

[Common Sense Party]

17. How does one unrec a reply to a thread? n/t

[spin]

24. Would you consider it a major problem if 1000 out of 10,000,000 people

were arrested for drunk driving? That happens everyday.

But one person gets arrested while he was a passenger in a car, NOT EVEN DRIVING, because he was intoxicated while carrying a firearm. Marijuana was also found on the passengers side of the car. OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!

Then you call people like me, the "to have a permit is to be an infallible god!" crowd and say that we unrecommended the OP.

First, I rarely push the "unrec" button and I didn't on this post.

Second I like other posters have posted statistics showing that those with concealed carry permits are good citizens and very responsible with their firearms. I often use the Florida statistics to show that concealed carry is not a major problem.

For example in Florida since Oct 1, 1987, 1,976,774 concealed weapons permits have been issued and 813,127 licenses are currently valid. Over that 23 plus period of time a total of 6,210 license have been revoked. 5,491 were revoked for a crime committed after the license was issued and only 168 for a crime committed using a firearm after the license was issued.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/stats/cw_monthly.html

Where in this did I say that having a concealed weapons permit makes the carrier "infallible" or a "god"?

If this man lived in Florida his license would be pulled if convicted and might it be pulled before trial. My daughter had a problem with a stalker and a mistake at the courthouse after a hearing resulted in her being asked by the state to turn her carry permit in as it was revoked. She contacted the judge and immediately got the problem straightened out.

[RSillsbee]

42. Relieably unrecc'd by the unrecc'd because it's JPak crowd you mean NT

[ileus]

3. They also got pedro on failure to appear

[ileus]

4. Victor also turned himself in on a warrant

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. He was a passenger and he allowed a search?

Confusing story.

[ManiacJoe]

25. His car but he was not driving.

[ileus]

6. Daniel was also arrested for a fist fight with his wife over a remote

[ileus]

7. Tianna didn't have her operators.

[ileus]

8. Mr. Snipes was upset and arrested on SECOND-DEGREE CRIMINAL MISCHIEF

[ileus]

9. Amina threw a GPS in the sink

[wellst0nev0ter]

13. With All Those Criminals Roaming Around

We would be stupid NOT to arm ourselves with peace guns.


















:sarcasm:

[hlthe2b]

10. Can't be...

I've been told with great authority that that NEVER happens with a CCW holder. Never an accidental discharge, either.... Great authority, I tell ya.


















:sarcasm:

[GreenStormCloud]

14. You haven't been told that by any of the RKBA crowd here.

We have claimed that our track record is far better that either the police or the general public. In 2009 out of over 400,000 CHL holders in Texas there were just over 100 convictions. You focus on the 100 and try to pretend that it is the entire 400,000.

[hlthe2b]

16. Right.... Umm hummm...

You betcha...... Look, I'm not doubting the record is good, but give any ass who wants it a gun and this crap will happen. And, yes, plenty of the crowd here have excoriated those expressing concern about guns ending up in bars or accidental discharge in casual restaurant/coffee house settings. We are uniformly told we have no rights and to basically STFU.






WRONG

[spin]

31. The reason that licensed concealed carry works so well is that ...

you don't give "any ass who wants it" a license to carry a firearm. There is something called a background check that eliminates the overwhelming majority of those "asses".

Yes there are a few accidents that occur in restaurants but your chances of being in a restaurant when someone drops their firearm and it fires is far less than your chances of winning the lotto. Your chances of getting injured by a bullet from that gun are even less.

You have rights. You can vote people into office who will repeal concealed carry in your state. If it is such a problem, you should have less trouble getting it repealed than those you got the law passed in the first place.

Good luck.

[hlthe2b]

32. Pray tell...

how it is you can claim a criminal background check has anything to do with identifying those who would be negligent or would pull the gun while drunk?

When training and comprehensive safety education is an absolute requirement, as it is to get a driver's license, then you might have a case. Arguably many "criminals" are stupid, but unfortunately so too are many non-criminals (or those who simply haven't been caught).

[spin]

35. Simple ...

most people who are have anger management problems, are criminals or seriously abuse alcohol have a record that pops up when the background check is run.

A few slip through the cracks which explains why licenses are sometimes revoked after they are issued.

Does this defy logic? Even I have to admit that concealed carry is far more successful than I anticipated in 1987 when Florida passed "shall issue" concealed carry.

Something about the problem works. Could it be the training? Possibly. Could it be the fact that you have to get fingerprinted and get a passport photo? Probably not. Could be be the cost. Hardly, the cost of the license if very reasonable. What's left to consider but the background check.

[GreenStormCloud]

36. Most states DO have a requirement for training in law and in safety.

I had to take such a class for my Texas CHL. But the main thing that help permit holders to have such a good record is the background check screens out the jerks. Most assholes start getting in trouble with the law early in their lives and aquire a record. If someone lives for years, usually decades, (Most first time permits are to people in their fifties.) with a clean record it is extremely unlikely that they have the personality problems that will cause them to abuse their permit.

[Euromutt]

41. You've been told that with great authority?

Then I'm sure you can provide a reference or two of instances of your being told that.

Personally, I think your recollections of being told to STFU were almost certainly in a context of "provide some evidence that a pro-RKBAer ever said that on this forum or STFU" because it's not the first time you've made such claims without being able to back them up. "Rarely" is not the same as "never."

Besides, what really happened here? Possession of marijuana, big fucking deal (though admittedly 11 grams strikes me as a sizable amount, but then, I'm used to Dutch hothouse-grown stuff which is fairly high-octane). The guy was drunk, but he had the good sense not to be driving himself. And there was a loaded handgun somewhere in the car; yes, the blotter says "carrying" but you need a CCW permit to legally transport a loaded handgun in a motor vehicle in Connecticut, so even if he had the Glock in his glove box or somewhere else not on his person, the charge might still be "carrying" for all I know.

No negligent discharges, nobody hurt; I don't see a malum in se here, and based on the little information we have, it's entirely speculative that the potential for one existed.

[GreenStormCloud]

11. Out of about 10 million of us there will be a few jerks.

That you can find a few jerks does NOT make the entire 10 million all jerks.

[jpak]

19. A few jerks with deadly weapons

what could go wrong?

[spin]

28. If there was a serious problem with concealed carry ...

this map would look very different.

[spin]

12. There may be as many as 10 million people with carry permits ...

in the United States.

One story about one individual who was irresponsible and got drunk is interesting but proves little.

[Atypical Liberal]

15. Unrecommended for no policy commentary.

[Common Sense Party]

18. Why does it say he was "driving" when he was a passenger?

He's an idiot and deserves to lose his permit forthwith.

[oneshooter]

33. Because jpak don't care if it's accurate. As long as it fits his/hers/its agenda. n/t

[Common Sense Party]

37. In this (rare) case, that's the headline from the original article.

jpakman didn't change it to fit his preconceived schtick.

[rl6214]

20. Charged does not mean guilty

When there is a conviction then you can post that, until then he is innocent until proven guilty.

[guardian]

21. So what is the point of the OP?

Are you trying to say that because one person does something stupid that all people should be punished? Using your same 'reasoning' then because one person drove drunk we should ban all automobiles.

YUP

YUP

YUP

[iverglas]

23. uh oh, what did I miss?

Are you trying to say that because one person does something stupid that all people should be punished?

Is somebody here advocating that the ENTIRE population of the US, and not just the present significant percentage of it, be put behind bars??

[spin]

26. No, but close. (n/t)

[spin]

29. I suspect the point is ...

if one single person with a concealed carry permit does something stupid like getting drunk while carrying, 10,000,000 Americans should immediately have their concealed carry licenses pulled and we should consider replacing the Second Amendment.

[petronius]

22. I wonder if a case has ever tested whether it's possible to consent legally

to a search by police while highly intoxicated? :shrug: I'm not a lawyer, but I think it could be interesting...

[one-eyed fat man]

27. It appears, once again,

you have posted something which is factually incorrect.

You say, "Highly Intoxicated Man Caught Driving With Loaded Gun

On April 30, Andrew J. Sansevero, 24, of Bella Drive was a passenger in a routine motor vehicle stop and allowed police to search his car.

Did you misspeak, prevaricate, dissemble, fabricate, or deliberate distort the facts?

again or still?

[spin]

30. If you can't win a discussion with the facts - exaggerate. (n/t)

[oneshooter]

34. If the truth doesn't fit your agenda, then lie. n/t

[Euromutt]

39. In fairness to jpak, that is the headline from the Middletown Patch

Of course, jpak being jpak, he didn't see fit to note the discrepancy in the original article...