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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 09:03 AM
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National Rifle Association boss: 'Big gun' states will toss Barack Obama
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53925.html

Ahead of the NRA convention that kicks off today, the leader of the group predicts President Barack Obama will be defeated in 2012 – and the “big gun and hunting” states are going to deliver the fatal blow.

“The truth is this election is going to be decided in all the big gun and hunting states,” Wayne LaPierre, the National Rifle Association’s executive vice president and (edit: moran) CEO, told POLITICO.

LaPierre, speaking on the eve of the NRA’s annual two-day convention in Pittsburgh, believes the 2012 race is shaping up to be a lot like the 2000 presidential election, in which President Bush’s victory over Al Gore was attributed in part to the perception that the Democrat was “anti-gun.”

“You’re looking at a parallel-type election coming along where it sure looks like the Republican nominee is good on the issue – though we don’t know yet who that’s going to be,” he said.

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Fuck the NRA

yup
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 09:05 AM
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 09:07 AM
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2. I hope the admins read this and treat the NRA as what they are. A GOP front.
The NRA should be banned from being promoted at DU, once and for all.

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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 09:10 AM
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3. +1, the NRA is a radical RW lobbying group.
It has no place on a progressive Democratic forum.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 01:14 PM
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11. The NRA is a one issue organization ...
Edited on Fri Apr-29-11 01:16 PM by spin
The National Rifle Association of America, or NRA, is an American non-profit (501(c)(4)) organization which advocates for the protection of the Second Amendment of the United States Bill of Rights and the promotion of firearm ownership rights as well as marksmanship, firearm safety, and the protection of hunting and self-defense in the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association


Many liberal Democrats believe in the Second Amendment and feel that allowing the citizens of a nation to own firearms is a very progressive idea.

edited for HTML error
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 01:29 PM
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12. The NRA are an organized radical far-right lobbyist group. Period.
Edited on Fri Apr-29-11 01:31 PM by tridim
They market themselves as something else, which all radical RW groups do.

Why are you ignoring what they just said?

BTW, I support the Second Ammendement.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 01:51 PM
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15. Then why do they donate to and support Democrats?

Pro-gun Democrats win endorsements from NRA
By Ben Pershing
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, October 7, 2010


Not a lot of things have gone the Democrats' way this year, but dozens of their House candidates are getting a late boost from an unusual source: the National Rifle Association.

So far this year, the NRA has endorsed 58 incumbent House Democrats, including more than a dozen in seats that both parties view as critical to winning a majority.

The endorsements aren't the result of a sudden love for a party with which the NRA is often at odds. Rather, the powerful group adheres to what it calls "an incumbent-friendly" policy, which holds that if two candidates are equally supportive of gun rights, the incumbent gets the nod.

***snip***

The policy is frustrating Republicans who think the group is hurting its own cause and the party's chances next month.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/06/AR2010100606329.html



Friendly Fire: Republicans Fume at NRA's Endorsement of Democrats
October 28, 2010 5:45 PM

National Republicans are furious with the National Rifle Association, their natural ally, for endorsing 58 incumbent Democrats who support gun rights. And with Republicans aiming to win control of the House, some are promising retribution for the NRA next year.

“In about a week, the NRA will find themselves on the bad sides of a few dozen new Republican members of congress. They have put their credibility – and also that of their members – on the line for the sake of ingratiating themselves with a bunch of liberal Democrats who are about to lose, and lose badly,” said one senior GOP operative who requested anonymity to speak freely.

***snip***

The NRA has already gotten a fair amount of flak from conservatives this year. First, the organization worked with Democrats to carve out an exclusion in campaign finance legislation Democrats were pushing. The legislation ultimately died in the Senate, but the NRA’s endorsement made Republican’s party line against it more difficult in the House.

***snip***

An NRA endorsement is still extremely important in much if not most of the country. It might be the single most important endorsement a candidate can get. But the NRA’s willingness to endorse outside the Republican party might be why its endorsement still carries so much weight. It is not a strictly partisan organization. emphasis added
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2010/10/democrats-with-nra-endorsements-have-republicans-fuming-getting-creative.html


And just how frustrated were Republicans at the NRA? Here's an example.


The NRA is Helping Preserve the Anti Gun Democrat Majority

Believe it or not, the only ones who might help Nancy Pelosi save her House majority are those who run legislative affairs at the NRA. So called Blue Dog Democrats across the nation are campaigning as red meat conservatives in their home districts, while running deceptive ads about their Republican opponents. They campaign as if they have nothing to do with the Democrat Party that they propelled to power and which passed all of the nefarious legislation that they purport to oppose. The sick irony is that the more successful these liars are in distancing themselves from Pelosi, the more likely it will be that Pelosi will remain Speaker. Here is my previous report on the need to expose the blue dogs. Also, check out the Club for Growth’s excellent report on the lie of the conservative Democrat.

Fortunately, as long as the conservative rhetoric is coming from the Democrat candidates themselves, the voters aren’t buying it. However, when the NRA parachutes in and endorses that Democrat for reelection over their 2nd amendment champion Republican opponents, people might give credence to their claims of being born again conservatives. The sad thing is that the NRA is endorsing Democrats in the very districts that we must win in order to obtain 39 seats.

***snip***

The NRA political hacks keep repeating ad nauseum that they endorse pro second amendment candidates, not conservative ones. But here is the problem. They are endorsing those who belong to a party that is anti gun at its core, and who are only pandering to the gun lobby to get elected in their right leaning districts. Worse yet, they are endorsing these frauds over staunch pro gun legislators like Andy Harris (MD-1) and Kristi Noem (SD-At Large). They make it seem as if they are endorsing pro gun Democrats over anti gun Republicans!

Do they not see through the election year pandering of the blue dogs? Are they unaware of their Republican challengers, many of them having stellar pro gun records in state legislatures? Can they really say with a straight face that dingy Harry is just as pro gun as Sharon Angle? Do they understand that even if the blue dog is sincerely pro gun, it is totally worthless because he will be preserving the anti gun majority who control the leadership positions, chairmanships, and Rules Committee? Surely, these veteran politicos are aware of the political dynamic of the 2010 elections and the legislative process. They simply care about their own self preservation and political clout on the Hill, even at the expense of the second amendment.
http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2010/10/05/the-nra-is-helping-preserve-the-anti-gun-democrat-majority/
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:06 PM
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21. It's good to see you engaging in topics and sharing your thoughts for a change.
Much better than your usual drive-by current events spam postings without any commentary.

I agree with you that the NRA has some serious right-wing bias, which has always been a show-stopper for me.

As much as I agree with many of their positions and actions, their decisions to host conservative speakers really turns me off and has caused me to refrain from joining.

I yearn for the day when the ACLU finally recognizes the Second Amendment as fundamental and important as the rest. I remind them every time I renew.

We really need to separate the right to keep and bear arms from the right-wing grand-standing. I'd be more than happy to dismiss the NRA altogether if a more politically left (or at least politically neutral) civil liberties group stepped up to the plate and represented on this issue, instead of letting the NRA take all the credit.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 09:10 AM
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4. Yeah, yeah. And in 2000 we were told the NRA would have an office in the White House.
These guys lack nothing in their concepts of self importance.
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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 09:11 AM
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5. Maybe the only thing I agree with you about is "Fuck the NRA". n-t
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 09:13 AM
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6. Yup!
:hi:
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VWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:24 AM
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7. Ok, so what's the NRA's beef with Obama, really?
It's not like he's trying to pry away everyone's guns from their undead hands.
I don't recall hm pushing any substantial gun-control legislation.

Oh yeah, he's black. That's it.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:03 AM
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8. No beef - they can channel all the racist GOP/Teabaggers into their camp for manipulation
yup
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:41 AM
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9. The NRA, Teabaggers, GOP... All closely connected and allied to...
...defeat the uppity black man.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 07:42 PM
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19. Wow, that's amazingly facile
Obama may not have actively pushed for "any substantial gun control legislation," but he's expressed vocal support for some restrictions and not explicitly distanced himself from that support subsequently.

Moreover, his Attorney-General, Eric Holder, uttered out loud the administration's intention to push for a renewed ban on so-called "assault weapons," and while that went nowhere, it was Nancy Pelosi who told him in so many words to shut up and not jeopardize the mid-terms, not Obama.

His secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, and he himself have repeated the falsehood about 90% of guns recovered from Mexican cartel members being traced to U.S. sources (a falsehood commonly referred to as "the 90% canard" because in actual fact, 90% of guns that the Mexican government and asked the ATF to trace, and which the ATF actually managed to trace, were traced to U.S. sources, but such guns were only about a quarter of guns recovered from narcotraficantes).

The State Department also tried to block the re-importation of M1 Garand rifles and M1 carbines from South Korea for sale to private citizens. Sixty year-old copies of seventy year-old designs, used in the Korean War. We're talking historical artifacts, not "the weapon of choice for drug dealers" (or whatever the scary description du jour is).

And arguably most importantly, there's Obama's nomination of Andrew Traver as head of the ATF. The ATF has a constitutionally questionable mount of discretion to decide how it chooses to interpret and enforce federal firearms laws, in particular the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Gun Control Act of 1968, and placing a guy like Andrew Traver (with a history of favoring restrictions on private firearms ownership) in charge of it would probably go much further in imposing restrictions on the private firearms market and private firearms possession than any new legislation could ever achieve.

The NRA, essentially, has a beef with any politician or public official who isn't an enthusiastic supporter of the RKBA, and Obama certainly has not been that. You can dispute whether that's a reasonable stance, but it's not kosher to simply ignore that and attribute the NRA's attitude toward Obama to racism.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:50 AM
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10. Unrec for the racism. Cite to evidence or withdraw the accusations. n/t
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 01:39 PM
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13. unrec your idiotic garbage of a thread.
only a moron edits a news story and puts "moran" in it like a child.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 01:44 PM
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14. I think republics are morans - if you do not, please tell us
I include those edits to make perfectly clear that republic morans are sponsoring these stupid gun bills nationwide

yup
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 06:07 PM
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17. Hey, if it's funny the first time...
...it's funny the next thousand times, surely?
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 03:12 PM
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16. Won't happen....2012 is in the bag for us.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 07:54 PM
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20. The economy, not gun control, will determine if Obama gets reelected ...
I personally expect the economy will improve by the time of the election.

If the economy improves and the Democratic Party does not push for more foolish "feel good" gun control laws such as another assault weapons ban there is a chance we will maintain control of the Senate. While I hesitate to predict that we will regain control of the House, it is possible.

We could gain far more votes if our party denounced draconian gun laws and instead worked on actually improving and enforcing existing law. We have shot ourselves in the foot many times over the gun control issue and while the Republicans also would love to disarm Americans (possibly as much or more than liberal Democrats) they are smart enough to realize that alienating 40 million gun owners is stupid.

I've talked to a large number of gun owners over the years and many agree with me on issues but refuse to vote for any Democrat because they have a considerable amount of money and time invested in their hobby. They are single issue voters and they show up at the polls and vote. Many people dislike firearms and would like to see strong regulations passed but they have NO money or time invested and ARE NOT single issue voters. If they get discouraged with the way the country is going, they don't necessarily vote for Republicans, they merely don't show up to vote.

We have to generate enthusiasm among our voters while the Republicans know they have millions and millions of voters who will vote because they fear Democrats will ban or confiscate their guns. In close elections, this kills us.

But if we ever change our views on gun control, it will be years before we pick up votes from many gun owners. We have really managed to alienate them and it will take time to gain their trust. We should start now.
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LibertyFox Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:11 PM
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22. +1
Edited on Fri Apr-29-11 11:13 PM by LibertyFox
I firmly believe that if the Democrats got on the right side of RKBA it would be a death knell for the GOP in many rural areas.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:28 PM
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23. Wish i could rec a post. nt
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 07:04 PM
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18. Basic rules for their endorsement
If you support the Second Amendment more than your opposition, you get their endorsement.

If you and your opposition have the same support, the incumbent gets the endorsement.

This is applied consistently regardless of party.

Evidence, all the Republicans crying about the NRA endorsing Democrats in the last election.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 07:26 PM
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24. kick
n/t
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