Gun Goes Off During Accident, Hits Driver

[onehandle]

The Pitt County Sheriff's Office says the victim of an accident where a gun was fired from inside his car Monday night faces charges in the incident.

The sheriff's office identifies the driver as 36-year-old Jonathan Stephen Kremkau of Grimesland. They say after crashing his car north of the Grimesland Bridge he fired a handgun at least five times, shooting himself in the leg.

Kremkau is at PCMH recovering from his wounds, but authorities say he's charged with assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill because he also fired the handgun at a motorist who stopped to help him and was walking towards his car.

http://www.witn.com/news/headlines/BREAKING_NEWS__Accident_Pins_In_Driver_114984849.html

[Recursion]

1. How does a gun accidentally go off 5 times?

And did it go off, or did he fire it? Or both?

[CTyankee]

2. If he is convicted on the drug charge would that prohibit him from buying a gun

in the future.

Of course, the damage is already done, as he was a criminal before he was a criminal in the eyes of the law...cold comfort, that...

[Euromutt]

5. That's presumption of innocence for you

Would you prefer it if the government treated everyone as if they were guilty of something without having to provide proof "beyond a reasonable doubt" first? If you choose to get behind the wheel while sozzled, there's a very good likelihood the first signal that you've already broken the law is when you compound it by plowing your car into someone else's. Should we prohibit you from driving a car entirely, just on the off-chance that you'd do such a thing?

[CTyankee]

8. Nope. I didn't say that.

What I am saying is that he is a "law abiding" citizen before he isn't and he causes injury with a gun. And he is only one example. Had this happen in my own experience...two "law abiding" citizens but with booze or rage plus a gun at the ready equalled murder. I've seen it. I've lived it.

[shadowrider]

9. So it's ok to confiscate your drivers license because, after all,

You were a law-abiding driver before you weren't (drunk, speeding, etc.) and killed someone with the vehicle.

Same thing.

[CTyankee]

11. you know this is a circular argument of course.

that being the purpose of the auto vs. the purpose of the gun. We prolly won't get past that here...

[shadowrider]

12. Original purpose isn't at issue here. It's mis-use of said item.

I carry every day and all I've shot at is paper targets. When I was younger I drove drunk. Thankfully I've grown up and don't drink/drive at all, period.

Which of those two is more dangerous in the hands of EVERYDAY people? I say cars, just about everyone has one and is capable of being distracted by cell phone, texting, talking etc. They are equally capable of killing as a gun, which, in the hands of CCW holders, isn't a threat at all.

[CTyankee]

13. I'm sure that you feel that access to guns and access to cars is not an issue.

It is with me. I need my car. I don't need a gun. We could go into lots of reasons why I believe this, but we're not gonna get anywhere. I view the two very differently and you don't. So that's that.

[shadowrider]

15. No one is forced to buy/carry a gun. Many people ARE forced into

buying a car whether they're the best driver in the world, or the worst.

The "original intent" according to you, for a gun, is to shoot and kill. If it isn't mis-used, it's perfectly harmless. IF it's misused, it kills.

The "original intent" of a car is to transport from point A to point B. If it isn't mis-used, it's perfectly harmless. IF it's misused (drunk, speeding etc.), it kills (in far greater numbers daily than a gun).

Which is more dangerous?

[benEzra]

19. It is very doubtful that he possessed that gun legally.

According to reports, he is a drug dealer, and NC not only requires a carry license to have a gun under the seat (or in the glove compartment, for that matter), it also requires written permission from your sheriff in order to purchase any handgun from any source. So if he didn't obtain a purchase permit, he committed a crime, and if he didn't have a carry license, he committed a second crime.

Of course, such laws only serve to harass the people conscientious enough to try to follow them. For this guy, they may result in a few extra charges tacked on to the "possession by a prohibited person" and "assault with a deadly weapon" felonies, but that's about it.

[HankyDubs]

23. well we need to strike down some laws

So this dumb fucking clown's freedumbs can be protected.

[shadowrider]

3. Unrec for (once again) misleading OP title n/t

[shadowrider]

4. ACTUAL article title: "UPDATE: Accident Victim Faces Charges After Gun Is Fired "

[Glassunion]

6. Implied article title: Read a story about an ass hole and his "accident"

[HankyDubs]

22. obviously he is an asshole

an asshole with a gun.

[rl6214]

24. Obviously he is an asshole

an asshole that deals and does drugs and drives his car dangerously.

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[onehandle]

16. That was the article title in the RSS feed where I got the article.

Note the word 'UPDATE.' The other title seems to be the original title.

And it's too late to edit the post.

[polmaven]

7. I wonder if Ann Coulter

thinks that all this guy and the other motorist need now is another gun and a bible, 'cause health insurance is totally unnecessary!

[KansasVoter]

14. Paranoid! Scared of his shadow. Typical!

[benEzra]

18. Typical of whom? You do realize this guy is apparently a drug dealer, yes?

This happened near me, in eastern North Carolina. For those who don't know, NC has the 13th-strictest gun laws in the nation, according to the Brady Campaign state rankings, and (among other things) requires you to obtain written permission from your sheriff before purchasing a handgun from a dealer OR private individual. NC also absolutely prohibits firearms in the passenger area of a motor vehicle without a carry license, unless the firearm is in plain sight; if he didn't have a carry license, he committed a crime by having it under the seat.

I suspect that subsequent stories will show a prior criminal record, that the gun was illegally possessed, that he didn't have a carry license, and that the erratic behavior was caused by drugs or alcohol, but we'll see.

[cleanhippie]

17. Wow, onehandle, way to totally distort the ACTUAL news story.

Well done. :applause:

[Glassunion]

20. See post 16... I would absolutely give him the benefit of the doubt that the original

headline was what he posted.

[cleanhippie]

21. Fair enough....I will let it go.

But the track record does not support that this was distorted on purpose.

[AtheistCrusader]

25. If he doesn't have a valid concealed pistol license, he was carrying illegally

per NC law.