Dick Cheney calls for tighter gun restrictions

[cowcommander]

Former Vice President Dick Cheney, a staunch gun advocate, says tighter weapons regulations might be "appropriate" to prevent another tragedy like the Arizona mass shootings that left six people dead and a congresswoman seriously wounded.

Cheney, an avid hunter, said he is "willing to listen to ideas" on how to better control the purchase and use of firearms.

"Whether or not there's some measure there in terms of limiting the size of the magazine that you can buy to go with a semiautomatic weapon — we’ve had that in place before. Maybe it’s appropriate to re-establish that kind of thing, but I think you do have to be careful obviously," Cheney told NBC's Jamie Gangel, national correspondent for "TODAY."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41154929/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

[eleny]

1. Have they thrown him under the bus yet?

[Mist]

2. Oh dear--have surveyors been seen in Darth's neighborhood? nt

[Lint Head]

3. We need tighter war criminal prosecutions.

[Atypical Liberal]

10. Exactly.

This guy is nothing but a warmonger and a criminal.

[maxsolomon]

4. Canadian-style interviews with the Police

"why do you want a 33-round extended clip?"

"i'm scared of zombies"

"thank you for coming in. we'll let you know."

[spin]

44. Interviews with police lead to racism ...

if your skin color is not pasty white and you aren't wearing a suit and a tie, you don't pass.

Gun control has racists roots.

[maxsolomon]

53. Interviews with elderly, ethnically diverse widows, then.

The friggin' CONSTITUTION has racist roots.

How is it that nothing that works in any other developed nation on the planet can ever work in America? British single-payer healthcare, Portugese drug legalization, Canadian gun control, Switzerland's organized militias, Spanish siestas.

Because we're just so different? They all put their pants on 1 leg at a time, too.

[Wickerman]

5. Cheney is living proof of the need for gun control

If not gun control, perhaps trigger control. Shooting lawyers is bad, Dick.

[Kennah]

25. When are lawyers in season?

[driver8]

6. STFU...

Crawl back into your hole and stay there.

He is "willing to listen to ideas"??

I didn't realize Cheney was in charge of regulating gun sales.

[RSillsbee]

7. Another Republican gun banner (why am I not surprised?)

Former Vice President Dick Cheney, a staunch authoritarian gun control advocate, says tighter weapons regulations might be "appropriate" to prevent another tragedy like the Arizona mass shootings that left six people dead and a congresswoman seriously wounded

I think this is what you meant to say right?

[HankyDubs]

21. Psst

Scalia is on your side. You've got nothing to say.

[RSillsbee]

22. Scalia is on your side

But Helmke (R) , Bloomberg (R) , Cheny (R) , Brady (R) , Reagan (R) and Bush (R) are all on your side.

Kinda makes you wonder

[HankyDubs]

30. Wonder?

Bloomberg is an independent, Reagan is dead, Bush allowed the assault weapons ban to expire...

But as long as you are suggesting gun control must be bad becase a few republicans support it, lets take a closer look.

Scalia isn't the only R on your side. Lets pick some of the doozies, shall we? Louie Gohmert--your side. Virginia Fox--your side. Trent Franks--your side.

You have nothing to say.

[Euromutt]

31. I think you need a remedial civics class

Bush allowed the assault weapons ban to expire...

Pop quiz:

1) What are three branches of the U.S. government?
2) Which of those three branches has the power to make law?

[RSillsbee]

33. And for extra credit

Which sitting President promised to sign legislation to extend and make the AWB permanent , provided congrees put it on his desk, in 2004?

[friendly_iconoclast]

38. You've brought up an inconvenient truth, which will be conspicuously ignored. n/t

[HankyDubs]

45. I think you need

to understand that if a republican president announces to a republican congress that he wants to renew a piece of expiring legislation, it normally is pursued or at least considered by that republican congress.

But Bush didn't do that. He allowed it to expire without doing or saying anything.

[Euromutt]

57. That's exactly what Bush did, isn't it?

I'm pretty certain he said something to the effect that if Congress saw fit to put a renewed "Assault Weapons" Ban on his desk, he'd sign it into law. I rather suspect Congress remembered all too vividly the mid-terms of 1994.

Feel free to bitch about the Republican-dominated Congress at the time who let the AWB lapse, because that'd be accurate, but get your facts straight.

[X_Digger]

34. Association fallacy..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

[HankyDubs]

46. the post i was responding to

implied that gun control was a bad idea because Cheney recently supported limiting the sale of extra large magazines for pistols.

I merely responded by pointing out that Louie Gohmert and Michelle Bachmann agree with xdigger and the gun pusher I was responding to.

You didn't point out the association fallacy to the author of this thread, nor did you point it out to the person I was responding to. You pointed it out to me, because you disagree with my point of view.

Dishonesty? Yep!

[X_Digger]

47. I'm under no obligation to do your job for you.

Feel free to call it where you see it.

[HankyDubs]

48. You're not obligated

to be honest..I'll grant you that.

But your reading ability should make it possible for you to recognize that I was merely eviscerating this poster's argument by showing how many of the truly insane right wing republicans have exactly the same position that you do.

[X_Digger]

49. ... which has no bearing on the argument itself.. you compounded your fallacy! Nice! n/t

[HankyDubs]

50. i did no such thing

I merely highlighted your dishonesty.

[X_Digger]

51. It's dishonest to not do your job for you? How's that one work?

If you don't have the knowledge to identify a logical fallacy in another's argument, well..

Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.
-Sun Tzu

[HankyDubs]

54. i don't need to identify a logical fallacy

in order to destroy this ridiculous argument.

I merely need to point out that more republicans are associated with your position than are associated with mine. That short circuits the "Cheney supports a gun control measure, therefore gun control is evil" argument nicely. That's what I did. Then you butted in with your logical fallacies a day late and a dollar short.

You were dishonest in that you attempted to accuse me of committing the fallacy, when in fact one of your honchos is the one who actually did so.

"Whatchu talkin 'bout Willis?"
-Gary Coleman

[X_Digger]

55. Lol, you even use the word 'associated with' in your continued association fallacy.. priceless!! n/t

[HankyDubs]

56. again, you fail

If the association is good for the goose, then it's good for the gander. If the gun fanatic makes the association, I'm free to respond with my own association.

But thanks for conceding that this entire thread is based on a ridiculous fallacy. I agree.

[beevul]

41. Theres 2 (R) Helmkes on his side.

Mark Helmke is another R gun banner.

[The Backlash Cometh]

8. He must be getting a lot of death threats.

[slackmaster]

9. As if I needed another reason to dislike him.

So he's a Fudd.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

11. oh, the irony.

:rofl:

[intheflow]

13. No shit!

Of course I'm sure he only advocates this for hand guns. Hunting rifles - suitable for shooting close friends at close range - should still be granted free and unfettered use.

[TheWraith]

18. Come on, that's hardly fair to Cheney.

He used a shotgun, not a rifle. :D

(Which is actually way more deadly at close range.)

[Ian David]

12. Dick Cheney wants to GRAB YOUR GUNS *AND* take the HEART from your CHEST! n/t

[krispos42]

36. Before or after he chokes you with his mind? n/t

[jeepnstein]

14. Gee, that's a surprise.

He can afford anything he wants, or his benefactors will provide it. Somehow he doesn't trust ordinary citizens with firearms they handle every day. That speaks volumes about the heart of this issue.

And hunting has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment. Guys like Cheney have a lot to do with it, though.

[Statistical]

15. Cheney even a ban on 2+ round magazines wouldn't have prevented you from SHOOTING A GUY IN THE FACE!

We do need more "gun control".
We need idiots like Cheney to properly control their firearms (like not pointing them in lawyers faces) so they don't make the other 99.99999% of the responsible gun owners look bad.

[SteveM]

17. HA! But an assault weapons ban would do the trick! Or as pistol ban...nt

[SteveM]

16. So, Dick Cheney is a "staunch gun advocate?" Uh...

this question was asked recently by the Rifles editor of Field & Stream, David Petzal: "What has Dick Cheney ever done ?" People assume he's a "staunch gun advocate" (whatever that is), but would you trust Dick Cheney when he was "advocating?" Does anyone trust him now?

[benEzra]

19. So the man who thinks that torture and summary execution are OK (the Bill of Rights be damned),

who thinks the right of habeus corpus can be suspended at will, that American citizens can be arrested and hauled off in the middle of the night and held for years without trial, who thinks that any level of surveillance of innocent citizens is OK as long as a good reason is given for it...

...might also support banning guns and magazines that have been in lawful common use for many decades.

Well, you can't say he's inconsistent. He believes all of the Bill of Rights can be suspended/violated at will.

[Glassunion]

20. He he... You said Dick and Tighter in the same sentence.

Go Jets!

[X_Digger]

24. Dictator.. dick tighter.. same diff ;) n/t

[X_Digger]

23. Cheney is a FUD, among other things..

Only 20% of gun owners hunt.

[Kennah]

26. This really should come as NO SURPRISE

Country club, chicken hawk, Republican, Neocons do not give one fat rat's ass about rights, including the rights of gunowners. Why so many gunowners think these types are the guardians of gun rights is beyond me.

[friendly_iconoclast]

28. It's not that (most) gunowners do, it's that they are portrayed as such.

Ironically, by two very different groups:

1. Gun control advocates, who like to point to them as 'responsible' and 'typical' gun owners, and


2. Neocons, who can snow enough of the dimmer right wingers to get elected.

[Pancho Sanza]

27. Well, that's good enough for me. Who could argue with Saint Dick?

:scared: :grr:

[Paladin]

29. My, My. DU Gun Enthusiasts Disagreeing With Shriveled Dick Over Gun Policy.

Guess there's a first time for everything......

[Euromutt]

32. What's that supposed to mean?

[friendly_iconoclast]

35. You *do* realize he's ruining the genetic fallacy for you gun Prohis, right?

I sincerely thank him for that.


I'll be sure to make a point of mentioning the Vice-Prince of Darkness's stand on the subject, along with his support for same-sex

marriage when one of them starts gassing about "NRA statistics" or some similar nonsense...

[friendly_iconoclast]

37. Erm, make that the associational fallacy. Either way, expect some of *this*...

...when people start realizing who their new 'ally' is:

[Union Scribe]

39. Odd, I was thinking about the flipside of that

and the strange bedfellows authoritarianism makes.

[beevul]

42. And gun control advocates agree with him. N/T

[Pancho Sanza]

43. Anyone who either agrees or disagrees with somebody as a matter of principle

and ignores the fact that no human is 100% right or 100% wrong all the time, is an intellectual midget.

[sabrina 1]

40. How about tighter WMD control in other people's countries

to prevent other tragedies like the 'genocide in Iraq and Afghanistan'??

He's worried about a loss of life somewhere?? Dick Cheney, who once answered 'NO!' to the question before the first Gulf War 'does it bother you that people might die'?

And who cares if he's 'willing to listen to ideas'? Is he in charge of something? Does he realize he's no longer the president?

This is one sick excuse for a human being.

[hack89]

52. What do you expect from an authoritarian? nt

[AtheistCrusader]

58. Of course he does, he's a facist piece of shit.

Water is wet. Night is dark.

[lawodevolution]

59. power hungry members of the ruling class are jealous of the power held by regular people and

of our ability to own firearms. If you plan to violate someone's rights you will also be afraid of their guns, so you might try to take them away before you start to violate their rights. Many people here would love to give the federal government total control of firearms and when Cheney is president he can have control of all the firearms in the country.