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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:33 PM
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Weapons bill off to Assembly (update and new info)
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 02:38 PM by beevul
"Area lawmakers help override Doyle's veto"

By SUSAN KAMPMEIER
Journal staff



"The state Assembly will get the final say next week whether state residents can apply to carry concealed weapons, and the political arm twisting already is under way."


"State Rep. Amy Sue Vruwink, D-Milladore, is one of seven Assembly Democrats who voted for the measure this fall, but she said her ballot is not yet cast in stone."

""I'm leaning toward supporting it, but I have not made 100 percent of my mind up," Vruwink said. "I'm still listening to the people and how they feel. I've been getting a number of phone calls and e-mails and handwritten postcards from people who are in favor of it.""

""So far, Vruwink said she hasn't felt pressure from fellow Democrats to toe the party line and back the governor. "But I have members of the opposing party calling to talk to me and make sure that I sustain the way I voted," she said."

"Strong-arm tactics designed to force lawmakers to vote a certain way or suffer political consequences are out there, Vruwink said. "But those threats don't weigh anything with me," Vruwink said. "I say, 'I don't represent people in Madison; I represent the people at home.'""

http://www.wisinfo.com/journal/spjlocal/292020876587979...



Interesting article. Good to see some pro protectional choice Democrats in the news. :thumbsup:

Edited to add link.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:36 PM
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1. Have you a link?
Pretty please.
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:38 PM
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2. Done. My apologies. I forgot...lol N/T
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:42 PM
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3. I especially liked ...
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 02:43 PM by beevul
what Julie Lassa had to say.(from the article)

"State Sen. Julie Lassa, D-Stevens Point, disagrees. She was one of five Senate Democrats, including fellow central Wisconsin Sens. Roger Breske, D-Eland, and Russell Decker, D-Weston, to vote Thursday to overturn Doyle's veto. Wisconsin law already permits people to carry guns as long as they are visible, and that law doesn't require those people to complete background checks or training, as the new measure would, Lassa said."

""I think that people should be allowed to protect themselves and that the state Supreme Court has already said that it is OK to carry concealed weapons in certain instances, so concealed carry is already out there," Lassa said. "It just depends on how it is regulated.""


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Dolomite Donating Member (689 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 04:29 PM
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4. Ya know this kinda makes me mad...
"If the Assembly overrides Doyle's veto, she plans to work with lawmakers and law enforcement officials to address concerns, such as fulfilling law enforcement officials' desire for a database to allow police to know who has permits to carry concealed weapons"

Governor Doyle's been using State Troopers to parrot this crap for the last week solid.

There's already a provision for this database in the version of SB214 that Doyle vetoed!

As per Section 21 of the engrossed Senate Bill 214; Statute Chapter 175.50(11)(c) is created. This clearly provides that data for every concealed carry permit holder shall be instantly available to any authorized law enforcement personnel by one of their most commonly used tools, the Transaction Information for Management of Enforcement (TIME) System.

That's the same thing they use to run your plates at traffic stops, to issue "Be On the Look Out" alerts, APB's, etc.

Furthermore, is the general voting public so stupid as to actually believe that officers are so poorly trained that they will simply toss all caution to the wind while questioning an individual during a routine stop simply based on the fact that a computer check of their name turned up zero information? And what about the individual that has recently and voluntarily paid for a WI DOJ background check to be performed on themselves (as all permit holders will be required to do)? Do these folks fit into the description of cop killer?


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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:00 PM
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5. Says it all...
"If the Assembly overrides the governor's veto, Portage County's Public Safety/Emergency Management Committee will take up whether to participate in issuing concealed carry permits, said Portage County Sheriff John Charewicz. Its next meeting is tentatively set for Feb. 11. He is still holding out hope the Assembly will uphold Doyle's veto.
"I understand there is all sorts of wheeling and dealing already going on, stuff that has nothing to do with this bill," Charewicz said. "I didn't think this was going to pass in the Senate, but it did. We'll deal with it if it becomes a law."
Right now, Charewicz is on the fence about whether the county should take part in issuing permits. Other area sheriffs have indicated that they plan to opt out of issuing permits, which would put increased pressure on departments that do issue them to complete the process within the bill's mandated 30-day turnaround time, he said.
"I still think it boils down to a safety. I don't think personal safety has ever been a major concern in most of Wisconsin, and I don't feel there were that many people in this area that supported this," Charewicz said. "I just think that a concealed weapon is something some people are going to think of as an equalizer in an argument, and whenever a firearm is introduced into a bad situation, it just makes it worse.""

http://www.wisinfo.com/journal/spjlocal/292020876587979...

Wonder if he knew there were enthusiasts from out of state putting phony pressure on.
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Dolomite Donating Member (689 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:34 PM
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6. I'm sure there are plenty of people from other States chiming in.
They were sick of their elected decision makers telling them what they did and did not need.

Since the chances of them of having CCW in their home state is 9 out of 10, and since they'd never had to put on a pair of waders to keep the "blood in the streets" off of their work boots since their law was passed, MAYBE they'd like the people of Wisconsin have a permit system in place too.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:48 PM
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8. I know there were...
Dishonesty and "gun rights" go hand in hand.

Hell, in Missouri the voters REJECTED concealed carry and got pasted with it anyway.
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:56 PM
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9. Anti gun people...
...are disgusting excuses for humanity, they only want good and decent people crushed under the jack boot of oppression.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:03 PM
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10. Dishonest gun-grabbing monkeys always weigh in on CA gun control issues
Whenever the California legislature is presented with gun control legislation the busy-bodies from all over the USA cream their jeans in anticipation. You think they don't write to Cali assembly members and senators to express their opinions? And I think they should. Political decisions made by a state often have consequences in other states or for the country as a whole.

Pot, meet kettle!
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:24 PM
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11. Poor bastards...
...forced to have the right to be able to protect themselves.
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:46 PM
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7. I'm sure that they are..
..that naive.
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