A gun control advocate rants...

[virginia mountainman]

As I was perusing Youtube, I stumbled over this... I had such a good time watching it, I decided it was wayyyyy to good to not share..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc9QwwsSjTk

[RandomThoughts]

1. The concept behind gun ownership is for citizens to be able to have the same weapons as a government

Although weapons are really just tools, unfortunately the gunpowder guns usually hurt people.


But guns have nothing to do with the concept.


The concept is for the citizens to be able to form groups with the same tools that government has, it is a concept of decentralized power, so that if power were to consolidate in a totalitarian way, there would be a push back.


So if government can spy on your communications, civilian oversight should do the same to government. Or if government pushes some PR, then citizens should have the same right.


And note, government includes private sector groups, since the private sector is a form of government also.


So if government uses anti protester weapons that can disperse a thousand with a couple of people, then civilians get the same thing.

The idea is not about guns at all, but about concepts of decentralization, during a time when guns were the common use of power control. Although some might think it about guns, and from that concept an armed citizenry makes sense.

I think it is about right to bear arms. Which is a form of requirement for justice from wounds from any battles fought, although the form in that Shakespeare speech was rewards of people knowing who was on the line and who was not.


Henry V - Speech.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAvmLDkAgAM


Note that herald wanted to buy something, and did not give as a gift, I like the way it is said in Braveheart as said by Wallace, take your gold and disperse it to all the people that have been wronged, and ask for there forgiveness, and as a simple citizen, that includes me, but not as a price for something, but as a gift.

[divideandconquer]

4. Building a neutron bomb in the basement, bio weapons in the kitchen, tank in the garage?

:crazy:

[jazzhound]

18. This guy is no more delusional than you are!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x336040#336136

[SteveM]

34. Wind up the ol' Victrola; hear the funny broken record skip. nt

[virginia mountainman]

5. Great post! nt

[cleanhippie]

36. Very interesting. And I got it this time.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

2. Totally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiwN9Ucy2lk

[Pullo]

3. satire

"We need a total ban all guns in all 57 states ..."

I would have at least laughed if the kid were serious

[virginia mountainman]

6. could be...BUT..

From our experiences with the "other side" down here, watching them make fools of themselves on TV, and listening to their blithering in the Virginia State House, and at gun control "events" held at Virginia Tech. It is hard to tell if it is satire, or if he really is that stupid.

For example..

Heat seeking Bullets...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRQqieimwLQ

[ManiacJoe]

12. .

wrong place

[safeinOhio]

17. Gets pretty damn funny

for zealots on both sides.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTw86hRXeSE&feature=search

note the only white people in the gun porn flick.

[virginia mountainman]

19. LOL at least they are not legislators..

Like, Caroline "things that go up" McCarthy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U

ROFLMAO

[Pullo]

27. America! .....

..... Fuck yeah!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI

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[oneshooter]

8. Is that a self descripition?

"birkenstock-wearing advocate of Marx with a goatee sipping a double latte chai."

[Chulanowa]

9. Except for the chai part, no. Loves me some chai

[X_Digger]

16. I thought so too, but check out the other videos. n/t

[Chulanowa]

22. Why watch someone act like Chris Crocker when I can just watch Chris Crocker?

[X_Digger]

23. No, really. Check out the kid's other videos. n/t

[Chulanowa]

24. Alright. Just had a look...

It's still satire.

Or perhaps it's the pro-gun version of that chick who assaulted herself and scratched a backwards "B" into her cheek

[X_Digger]

29. Or maybe this is what gun control + nyquil looks like. n/t

[ManiacJoe]

13. It is going to be lost on WAY too many folks.

It took me a few minutes into it to realize he was not being serious.

[DissedByBush]

20. It's a dig on Obama's 57 states comment n/t

[SteveM]

35. Theory of federal government, according to Heinz. nt

[spin]

10. The truly sad part is that this individual is typical of many Brady Campaign members ...

He is VERY emotional and VERY uninformed.

He does show why it is so important to research both sides of an issue and learn a little about the subject before you make a decision to support one side. Still you have to be open minded enough to reconsider your position, if someone presents a good argument against it.

The video is well worth watching for members of both sides of the RKBA issue. Obviously, the pro-RKBA will find this video humorous. Those who oppose RKBA might watch the video and see why their movement has failed. Logic, facts and emotion can form the foundation for a powerful movement that can sweep a country (such as "shall issue" concealed carry). A movement based on emotion alone, unsupported by either facts or logic but supported only by lies and untruth and tears will eventually fail.

The poster of this video stated that he had done some research on the Brady Campaign and the VPC web sites. Those who support the views of these web sites might be advised to contact those sites and politely explain that they need to educate their members on some basic facts about firearms and gun control, so as to avoid making them look like total fools. They can use the video as an example of why this should be done.

At about a minute into the rant the posters says,

"If you are a hunter, there is no need to use a machine gun sniper rifle to hunt deer. Give me a break, give me a break! Don't you think shooting 320 rounds on average a second is a little excessive when your are hunting deer?"

Any research at all would have shown this outstanding product of our failing educational system that it's illegal to hunt deer with fully automatic rifles and that the rate of fire is nowhere near 320 rounds a second on a typical machine gun.

I'm glad to have had the chance to watch the video and I plan to forward to all my shooting friends for their laugh of the day.

[DissedByBush]

21. 320 rounds a second, wow!

Even our fastest gatling guns don't do that. You need one of those Metal Storm things to get that rate of fire.

I also LOVE the sniper rifle comment. It is regular entertainment from these people.

The difference between a sniper rifle and a hunting rifle is what you're shooting at.

[spin]

31. I would hate to have a 320 round per second auto rifle in my hands ...

If the weapon had even a minor caliber, the recoil would knock you off your feet and you might lose control and kill yourself or any bystanders within range, front, right left or behind.

[Chulanowa]

25. Actually, he's very typical of what you wish they were like

"Gosh, he fits my preconceived notions of what 'those people' must be like! SURELY he must be totally authentic!"

Scuse me while I get my birkenstocks on, so I can go have some chicken and watermelon with my black neighbor, mmm mmmm good.

[spin]

30. I base my views on several things...

One, of course, is his video rant. Two is the list of the other videos he has posted. Three is the fact that many of same misconceptions that I have read in the Gungeon are by people who oppose RKBA.

Many posters here have expressed the view that the "assault weapons ban" banned fully automatic rifles rather than semi-auto rifles. They also have often wondered why hunters wanted to hunt with machine guns. Many posters here have confused those who legally carry concealed with those who illegally carry concealed and attempted to accuse people with concealed carry permits as being criminals or individuals with a desire to kill someone for kicks and grins. More than just a few have claimed that the only purpose of a firearm is to kill.

I personally don't believe that all anti-RKBA supporters are as misinformed as this poster. If I did so, you would be correct in accusing me of stereotyping. Those who oppose gun ownership or who wish to impose draconian regulations on firearms often present coherent well thought out arguments. You will note that the title of my reply was "The truly sad part is that this individual is typical of many Brady Campaign members" emphasis added Nowhere did I say All Brady Campaign members or All who oppose RKBA are uneducated in the basics of the subject.

Unfortunately those who do research on the Brady Campaign and VPC websites often come away with serious misconceptions that the pro-PKBA posters in the Gungeon have to refute over and over. It frustrates anyone who is looking for a good challenging debate when your opponent lacks ANY serious basic knowledge of the topic. It also does little to advance any good ideas that the gun control advocates might have. Perhaps both sides of the issue could actually work together if both sides respected each other, but it's difficult when only one side appears to understand the basic terminology.

I could compare attempting to have a good discussion on the issue of gun control with many supporters or members of the Brady Campaign with a scientist attempting to have a discussion on the history of our planet with a individual who had been convinced by a religion that the earth was only 6000 years old and mankind co-existed with dinosaurs.

Just in passing, I am not a racist which your following comment insinuated.

"Scuse me while I get my birkenstocks on, so I can go have some chicken and watermelon with my black neighbor, mmm mmmm good." .

I support firearm ownership for qualified members of all races, genders and religions. I have posted many times in the Gungeon about the importance of firearms in the civil rights movement and the racist history of gun control.

edited to add further comment.

[X_Digger]

11. Oh that's too funny.. has to be satire.

Nobody over five years old could seriously hold these positions.

[spin]

14. I'm not so sure ... watch some of his other posted videos....

mostly uploads from other sources but definitely anti-RKBA,

[X_Digger]

15. Yeah, I'm having to re-evaluate this moron's posting..

.. I wonder if this is the kid of one of the scaremongers in VA responsible for the 'starbucks protests'.

[Chulanowa]

26. It appears to be a multi-user channel

Because unless the high school kid suddenly gained 200 lbs and a rockin' Grizzly Adams beard and learned to quote the Book of Enoch (Seriously? Book of Enoch? Weirdo) these videos aren't all by the same person.

[X_Digger]

28. He doesn't claim to be the 200lb guy..

"THIS MAN IS RIGHT AGAIN!!! NRA gun nuts talk BULLSHIT!!! " (title of one of them)

My guess? Beardo is junior's dad.

eta: two different users- KillAllGuns, KillAllGunz.. Looks like junior uploads for Beardo.

[rrneck]

32. LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE! nt

[Callisto32]

33. I couldn't get past the first 40 seconds.

I was embarrassed FOR him....

This can't be serious.

[slackmaster]

37. Sniveling whiney-ass idiot

:nuke: