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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 08:13 PM
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Guns and the Heathcare Bill ...

Score one for the Gun Owners of America, a lobby group positioned well to the right of the National Rifle Association. Last month I described how this fringe group zeroed in on a health reform provision encouraging insurers to reward healthy habits and, by implication, to punish unhealthy ones like smoking and obesity. GOA got it into its head that if health reform were passed, the health and human services secretary would compel insurers to punish gun ownership as an unhealthy lifestyle. Although an adverse health impact (or threat of same) on man or beast is pretty much the whole point of owning a gun, nothing in the bill remotely suggested Congress wanted to wade into these politically treacherous shoals.

Nonetheless, to pacify GOA, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (who represents the gun-loving state of Nevada) has inserted into his "manager's amendment" a section titled "Protecting 2nd Amendment Gun Rights." It states that no wellness program implemented under health reform may require disclosure or collection of any information relating to gun ownership. Since collecting information about gun ownership was the last thing health reformers wanted to do, this concession represents no particular sacrifice on the government's part.

But gun owners also won another provision forbidding private insurers participating in the bill's exchanges from charging higher premiums, or denying coverage, or denying wellness discounts on the basis of gun ownership. Unlike the previous section, this one doesn't place a restriction on what government may do. It places a restriction on what the private sector may choose to do on its own. It inhibits that most holy of right-wing sacred cows: free enteprise.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 08:39 PM
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 08:43 PM
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2. Well
I have car insurance. Am I paranoid I'm going to have an accident?
I have homeowners insurance. Am I paranoid I'm going to have to use it?
I carry a fire extinguisher in my truck. Am I paranoid my truck will catch on fire?

NO

It's called BEING PREPARED just in case

I carry a gun because I'm PREPARED to defend my life or the life of my loved ones OR a stranger whose life is being threatened. That could be your life.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 08:48 PM
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 08:51 PM
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5. Once they were disarmed
I'd imagine they weren't paranoid because that's imagining, to the point of reality (In their mind), someone is after you. They KNEW what was coming and were unable to defend themselves. That's not paranoid.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 09:15 PM
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7. At least now when they get shot real bad
they can go to a hospital without bankrupting their families.
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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 12:39 AM
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8. You got me
I sit around at night stroking my "gun" and worshipping it, I even shoot it off every now and then and when I'm done, I give it a good bath:rofl:
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jazzhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 09:07 PM
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6. Nobody as paranoid and selfish as gun worshippers?!
Edited on Thu Mar-25-10 09:14 PM by jazzhound
Try nobody as dishonest, hypocritical, childish, intellectually lazy and arrogant as gun/gun owner haters.

Spewing the same ridiculous bile over and over again ad nauseum, despite large amounts of credible data that contradicts them. Misrepresenting calm preparation as paranoia. Refusal to check their egos at the door while doing the required homework on the subject.
Preaching that hate and prejudice aren't family values while displaying prejudice and hate toward gun owners. Claiming to be lovers of science -- until criminologic science contradicts their shallow arguments. Failing to admit that since criminals don't know with any real degree of certainty which citizens are armed, the armed citizens are in fact making their homes safer. And on.......and on..........and on.......
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Callisto32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 07:49 AM
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9. This happens all the time.
"These provisions shall not be construed to....." is in a lot of different legislation, precisely because of these kinds of worries. Just like Title VII of the CRA has a section saying that the title shall not be construed to require affirmative action. People worry that things will become requirements, an the legislature adds a little disclaimer-type-thing.


P.S. It's really boring to come into a one sided conversation.
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