Hypocrisy, Chicago style

[TPaine7]

King Richard II a.k.a. Mayor Richard Daley and his band of 50 Aldermen are allowed to carry concealed weapons! The Chicago City Council, with its' history of shameless characters, have never come off as law-abiding or honest citizens. How many have been indicted and/or jailed over the years? Enough!

A few examples of the shameless hypocrisy in Mayor Daley's Gun Ban arguments:

Michael Scott, King Richard II's former right hand man, and some say closest confidant, committed suicide earlier this year with an "illegal unregistered handgun". Michael Scott bailed out on life when the heat got too hot about questionable expenditures while Chicago School Board president. Questions also arose about other financial deals. Of course King Richard II couldn't believe it was a suicide and had to publically humiliate his coroner. Hypocrisy? You Betcha!

Ricky Hendon in 1994 had an "unregistered" handgun stolen from his home during a burglary. Why unregistered if aldermen are permitted to carry a concealed weapon? Who knows. The arrogant ass wasn't even contrite. "I have a right to protect myself" he declared at the time. Of course, Chicago's Finest (CPD) didn't bother to file charges.
Hypocrisy? You betcha!

U.S. Senator Roland 'Snake Belly" Burris, while running for Governor in 1994, admitted he owned a handgun but a year earlier endorsed a nationwide ban on handguns.
Hypocrisy? You Betcha!

Source: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-political-commentary/2010/03/chicago-hypocrisy-alderman-allowed-to-carry-concealed-weapons-citizens-no.html

Why is gun control not good enough for its proponents? And why is that ok with the foot soldiers?

[TPaine7]

1. I see some of the foot soldiers took offense.

I wish they had the courage to explain themselves. I really would like to understand.

[X_Digger]

2. Can't have that.. those rules are for thee, not me. n/t

[TPaine7]

4. I really would like to read a justification of this.

I would even forgo sarcasm and mockery. I just want to understand.

[oneshooter]

3. Gun Control is not about GUNS, it's about CONTROL

And His Majesty King Daley is about to lose his.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[proteus_lives]

5. It's deep-dish.

And it doesn't taste good.

[TPaine7]

6. When people post examples of gun owners behaving badly, or criminally

gun rights proponents condemn the bad behavior. They don't lurk in the shadows and unrec the OP.

Show some spine! Support this or renounce it. Or do you support cowardice as well as hypocricy?

[sharesunited]

7. Because guns are brought in from Indiana. Hoosiers love guns and fireworks.

It's the same problem D.C. has with Virginia.

[Merchant Marine]

8. Why does a mayor who endorses gun control

purposely allow himself and his cronies to carry guns?

[sharesunited]

9. Because they know Americans love guns and hate politicians?

[PavePusher]

14. You can hardly blame them.... n/t

[TheWraith]

18. So you conceed that carrying personal firearms is sometimes needed for self defense.

Thank you for admitting you were wrong.

[Merchant Marine]

26. What the hell is that supposed to mean?

He should rely on the police to protect him. Guns are evil and kill babies and policemen.

[spin]

17. Becuase the mayor and his cronies are the ruling eite class ...

and they make the laws.

Can't allow the average serf to own guns, that not how Daley's feudal system works.

Daley is a throwback to the middle ages and Chicago is a City of Serfs Ruled By Oligarchs,

[cowman]

10. More thoughtful

insight from SU. It just pisses you off that the gun control debate is pretty much over and your side has lost big time and more states are trusting their citizens to legally carry guns for protection.

As I've said before, if you don't like the 2nd amend, try to get a constitutional amend abolishing the 2nd amend. Let me know when you have the votes. RKBA is at an all time high and more gun control is a dead issue. Not even Pres. Obama will touch gun control and he pretty much told Eric Holder to STFU about gun control

Gotta go for now, my pet female sparrow is demanding my attention and she is quite persistent

[sharesunited]

11. It is a disappointment that so many more innocent people will be killed and crippled by gun love.

What can I do besides lament?

The popular refrain goes like this:

Such A Tragedy, Now Carry On Dying Y'all.

[Name removed]

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[sharesunited]

13. It is touching that you love a little sparrow.

But your gun love worries me.

[cowman]

29. I really don't

understand why my ownership of guns should worry you? My guns are no threat to you or anyone else except those that would physically threaten my life. I am a law abiding citizen who has never been in legal trouble, I am duly licensed by the state of NV to carry a gun, I am very proficient with said gun, help me understand why I am a threat to you or the general public

[sharesunited]

31. Because you can kill conveniently and efficiently at your absolute whim.

And because you gloat about gun proliferation as though it is a good thing for society.

[TheWraith]

32. So you think that everyone is just barely repressed murderers at heart?

You sound like one of those people who believes that if everyone isn't monitored by a 24/7 police state civilization will collapse.

[sharesunited]

33. No. Just that the risk of guns in society far outweighs any claimed benefit.

And indulging it as a pretend right makes no sense.

[TheWraith]

35. You could claim the same thing about any "pretend right."

If you don't like how the founding fathers chose to include a person's right to self defense in the constitution, then amend it instead of trying to tear it up.

[sharesunited]

36. You don't need to repeal or amend. You simply need to interpret correctly for today.

Instead of trying to superimpose some obsolete interpretation onto the modern nation.

[TheWraith]

37. Thank you for again failing to understand the constitution.

Now turn over that not-constitutionally-protected computer for destruction and get back to your parchment and quills.

[X_Digger]

34. Yes, shares has said that all our sanity is..

'hanging by a thread' just waiting for one bad day.

(Personally, I think it's projection.)

eta: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=266273#266348

"Your sanity dangles by the same, thin psychic thread."

[krispos42]

38. And that is exactly the line of thinking that nonpolitical people extrapolate from...

...when the RW media says "democrats want Big Gubmint all in your life".


It completely bothers you that individuals can have that power and that you have to trust people to use it responsibly.

[cowman]

39. Yes I

can kill efficiently if I choose to do so , but the fallacy of your argument is that the only threat my gun is, is to a thug that would leave me absolutly no choice but to use lethal force and I don't take that awesome responsibility lightly. I don't advocate the proliferation of guns, only that law abiding citizens have the right to keep and bear arms, and you are wrong about the interpertation of the 2nd amend, the SCOTUS and the vast majority of americans and most state constitutions disagree with you and the groups like the Brady Bunch and the VPC

[TPaine7]

15. So let me get this straight,

Ricky Hendon didn't bother to keep his gun registered--the gun he had "special permission" to own and carry concealed. And the police didn't charge him. And it's Indiana's fault?!

Mr. Hendon believes he has a right to protect himself, but that you and I don't. And it's not his fault that he regards himself as endowed with full human rights and regards us as less than himself--less worthy of protection, less trustworthy, less human. It's Indiana's fault?

Senator Roland Burris admitted he owned a handgun but a year earlier endorsed a nationwide ban. He shares a low view of his bosses, the people whose taxes pay his salary. And it's Indiana's fault?!

D.C. has the same problem--easy access to handguns through a neighboring, gun rights friendly state? I have a hard time buying that. What am I to do with the fact that in the year after gun laws were liberalized (loosened by making handguns legal) homicide fell by 25%, to its lowest level since 1964.

You aren't lurking in the shadows. You are standing up for what you believe. You've staked out a very bold position. But I need you to elaborate, because I'm having a hard time seeing how Chicago's criminal and unconstitutional hypocrisy is Indiana's fault.

[Glassunion]

16. Pssssssst...

It's Indiana's Flintlocks...
:hide:
http://www.manta.com/c/mmnz1y9/flintlocks-inc
http://www.fcvcc.org/indiana_flintlock_team_2008.htm
http://www.ibluegrass.com/bg_bands2.cfm?b__i=1164

[spin]

19. Daley wants micro-stamping required for new firearms sold in Illinois...

This time, the mayor also is asking the General Assembly to make it a Class 1 felony to knowingly sell a gun to a known gang member, stiffen penalties for unlawfully using a weapon and require "micro-stamping" of guns that make it easier to match weapons used in crimes.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-daley-gun-bills-20100308,0,4581833.story

I did some quick research and I can't find a firearms manufacturer who currently sells a firearm that micro-stamps.

If this law passes, will the sale of new semi-auto handguns cease in Illinois or will major manufacturers produce a model designed to meet Illinois requirements.

[TheWraith]

20. Microstamping is effectively impossible with modern technology.

It's kind of like a law requiring you to provide a unicorn with every new gun purchase.

[spin]

21. Therefore, it looks like Daley wants to stop the sale of semi-auto firearms ...

in his state.

Manufacturers won't bother to manufacture a model of their firearms that meets the micro-stamping requirement.

Daley is one shrewd bastard.

[one-eyed fat man]

22. Good plan!!!!

Next time someone on the south side decides to off a rival on the north side, they can go to the police range first and pick up a five gallon bucket of empty brass.

Dump it at the crime scene and giggle as WGN reports the Chicago PD spending the next year and a half arresting each other based on the micro-stamping!

:rofl:

[spin]

23. At the indoor range in Tampa Bay where I used to shoot ...

if the expended brass flew beyond the firing line, you were not supposed to attempt to retrieve it (even with a broom). The range master would chew your ass if he caught you trying.

But he couldn't keep his eye on the range constantly, and often people who didn't reload wouldn't even bother to pick up their brass when it landed behind the firing line.

Obviously, there would be plenty of opportunities to pick up micro-stamped brass from another firearm owners weapon.

[Chota]

24. I'm not saying anything but a few strokes with

a file on the firing pin, extractor, and ejector will render micro-stamping useless or simply replace said parts not that I'm saying anything.
Did California finally give up on the micro-stamping??? I know my state stopped requiring the thumb prints when purchasing a firearm. In all the years it was required they requested prints one time and those weren't usuable. Of the states that maintain balistic data-bases how many have actually solved a crime using said data-bases???

[TPaine7]

25. I still think using, say, a 9 mm revolver and dropping your enemy's shell casings is better...

you know, two birds, one stone.

[-..__...]

30. From what I understand...

a file doesn't work so well... carbide emery cloth works much better and is easier to reach any numbers etched into the breech face.

I'd be a bit hesitant to file the firing pin anyways... removing too much could result in a failure to fire. Filing too much of a point
could result in punctured primers. Best method would be to simply purchase a new firing pin if feasible, if not, then go with the emery cloth (and not just the tip... there's a redundancy/check code etched along the outermost circumference of the pin that needs to be dealt with also).

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

28. de facto ban = unconstitutional.

If firearms manufactures (all of them) REFUSE to sell a microstamped product... wouldn't a microstampnig requirement be seen as a defacto ban? There would no legal way to arm yourself with the new regulations.

[TPaine7]

27. While sharesunited hasn't gotten back to us with a more detailed

explanation of his position, this should not keep anyone else from speaking up.

Isn't there anyone else out there who supports these champions of gun control? Or even anyone wishing to distance themselves and distinguish their own gun control principles from Chicago's?

Don't be shy.