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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 02:23 AM
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ANOTHER, "we win, by losing" article... and some commentary on where we should go now.
Edited on Sun Feb-28-10 02:24 AM by virginia mountainman
WASHINGTON Gun control advocates think, if not pray, they can win by losing when the Supreme Court decides whether the constitutional right to possess guns serves as a check on state and local regulation of firearms


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iz6Qns7uUfAAvvLl1R6dY5oGQcOgD9E4VH5G2

IMHO, once a activist group takes such a stance, at such a critical juncture, they have already admitted defeat. They know their on the wrong side of this issue, and their stand is abhorrent to the Bill of Rights. They are just so blinded by their "faith" in Gun Control, that they cannot drop this issue. They have seen over a decade of losses, in the vast majority of this nation. They have watched public opinion turn against them, they have watched their war chests dry up, they have watched their supporters in office, replaced by those who won't even answer their calls....

And while this was happening to them, the Pro Civil rights side, has dramatically expanded it's power and influence. Even with MSM helping the "gun control advocates" at every turn, the public is still turning away from them in ever increasing numbers.

We will never grind hate groups like the Brady Campaign into oblivion, and like the KKK, their will always be people willing to flock to their republican lead ranks. But our focus should turn on the MSM, and their "trumpeting" the "Brady" line. They should be called out, publicly on their lies and distortions. Like the whopper told on CNN yesterday about the .223 being an excellent round for hunting elephants...When in truth, it is so weak, it is illegal to use for Deer hunting.

We should have melted their phone lines people....Just like we do congress and the senate....

MSM is the main provers of this BS now, Brady for all practical purposes is truly insignificant anymore.

We finally got most of the Congress and the Senate to ignore them, now it is time to get the media to (at least until they get the facts straight) Let MSNBC, CNN, ABC, and the others KNOW, that if they bring a "Brady expert" on, and give them air time....HE BETTER NOT TELL ANY LIES...

Cause when they do, we will see that YOU, apologize for it.....
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 02:36 AM
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1. I predict the Brady Bunch will be canceled in a few years
They have no grass roots base. They are basically just the Bradys, Paul Helmke, a few anti-gun Hollywood celebrities and some big city mayors. They have not won a legislative victory in years. I have never, ever seen a Brady Campaign decal on someone's car, but I have seen hundreds of NRA decals on cars.

I predict they will dissolve in 3-5 years, especially as Obama is governing as a pro-gun president (though the NRA will never admit this).
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 03:07 AM
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3. I think....
That they will reorganize like "Handgun Control Inc/HCI" became "The Brady Campaign" and how the "Million Mom March" and a few other Gun Control groups, collapsed, and where folded under the "Brady" umbrella of BS.

The same thing will happen to Brady. The strong supporters of Gun Control, will never go away, they will never "see the light", they are in effect like anti-abortion protesters. It is a matter of "faith" to them. They will just move down the hall into a new groups office, and start over, with a slightly changed message.

As the Republican led, and founded, Brady Campaign continues to loose "marketability" in today's world, I fully expect them to come under say, Republican Micheal Bloomberg's anti-civil rights "Mayor's against Illegal guns" group.

They seem to be the only "upwardly mobile" (if you could call it that from having ZERO members a few years ago) Anti-civil rights group as of late.

It is like you said, there movement has absolutely no grass roots (a tuft of grass here and their, does not make a nice lush green yard), it is full of "elitists" that can afford to hire bodyguards, and such. The public hates such hypocrisy. If it was not for "star power" of the few headliners, they would have been non-existent long ago.
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 10:56 AM
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12. VPC, aka Brady, aka HCI, and Joyce Foundation
Edited on Mon Mar-01-10 10:58 AM by one-eyed fat man
As long as the Joyce Foundation keeps funneling money to Helmke they will stay afloat.

One way to determine if an organization has true public support is to see if they garner a certain amount of membership dues. For example, if an organizations total annual revenues is $1 million and $750,000 of that came from membership dues, then one can reasonably conclude that since dues represent 75% of revenue,the organization represents part of the public. Further, if annual dues are $25, then the organization has about 30,000 members. Such organizations exist to enable groups of like-minded individuals of average wealth to pool their resources, in order to create greater influence with policy makers; a democratic aspect of our First Amendment rights.

Philanthropic Research has a web site named GuideStar, which contains tax returns for many non-profit organizations.A basic (free) member of GuideStar can access the 2003-2005 tax returns of Violence Policy Center. Examining these tax one can see a couple of interesting trends.

Allowing that public support could be partly defined by evidence of membership dues being paid to an organization that claims to promote beneficial public policies. It is telling to note Violence Policy Centers tax returns as far back as the year 2000 have reported $0 in membership dues.The bulk of their money has ALWAYS come from the Joyce Foundation.

In 2003, VPC reported $1,671,595 in total revenues. The seven top employees, including Executive Director Josh Sugarman and Legislative Director Kristen Rand, earned $654,514, or 39.2% of total revenue.

Joyce Foundation 2010 VPC Grant

Looks like the recession is going to affect the Brady bunch too.

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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 02:59 AM
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2. Um, no. They are just honest about how the law stands post-Heller.
You are reading WAY too much into this.
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 03:10 AM
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4. I have been very active in the gun right debate..
For nearly two decades...

I was only putting my thoughts down in this fine forum. It was just my honest OPINIONS and thoughts on how we should move forward.

Honestly I am coming to the point that "Brady/VPC and their ilk" have already been marginalized "in the halls of power" about as much as we can. Now we need to apply pressure to THEIR cheerleaders in the MSM.

To simply, call out their lies.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 05:03 AM
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6. I suggest you take some aspirin...
and get some counciling.
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 02:33 PM
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8. LOL, Pave, what did I miss?? ROFLMAO!! NT
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 11:19 PM
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9. Argh, I don't even remember what they said now. Sorry.
I really need to start taking screen-shots...
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Indy Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 07:54 AM
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7. The MSM likes a close contest
It makes for better ratings.

If that means moving some of the goal posts, so be it.

Hearing about how relatively weak a .223 is does not sell ad revenue.




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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 02:11 AM
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10. I heard that comment about the .223 being an excellent elephant gun...
and it was the stupidest comment I heard all day.

Dan Austin is a supposed forensic expert and I'm sure others would get a kick out of his knowledge and expertise. So here's a link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKiihNCECcU&feature=player_embedded

Enjoy.

I can only hope that no one ended up in jail because a jury thought he was knowledgeable.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 03:08 AM
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11. Not to mention his odd ideas on the speed of sound...
Edited on Mon Mar-01-10 03:15 AM by PavePusher
I literally lost count of all the fail in that clip. If it was a drinking game, one shot for each inaccuracy, I'd be in hospitol with his level of dain bramage.

Edit: I lived in Africa for three years as a youth. If I was going to hunt Tembo (I wouldn't, except under the direst circumstances), I wouldn't use any calibre that started with a number smaller then .4xx, followed shortly by express, magnum, nitro or area denial. Karamojo Bell may be famous for hunting them with a 7mm rifle (http://www.chuckhawks.com/bell_elephants.htm) but I will freely admit that he probably had a lot more brass in his organic makeup than I do.
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