Great Day here in Virginia!! Check out this Pro Gun Sign!!!

[virginia mountainman]

Check out this sign at the Gun Rights rally held today in Richmond..



Folks, we are clearly winning on this issue... ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION(so far) OF THE ANTI-GUN RALLY that was also held today. Their marginalization is nearing completion.

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/state_regional/state_regional_govtpolitics/article/LEGIGAT18_20100118-121003/318434/

[joeybee12]

1. You're right, ignorance apparently is winning..nt/

[eqfan592]

2. More like enlightenment.

And I have to say, it's been long coming, that's for sure!

[rd_kent]

3. You would know ignorance, right? Posts like yours with unsubstantiated crap IS ignorant.

[damntexdem]

8. Hear, hear! Stupidity is rampant.

Meanwhile police chiefs are trying to get attention to the increase of deaths of cops because of the 2004 end of the assault-weapon ban.

[rd_kent]

10. You are saying there is a correlation there? Can you provide evidence to back that up?

[eqfan592]

13. WTF?

According to the FBI, the number of officers killed right rifles (it doesn't even specify assault weapons, but we'll use rifles in general) was 13 in 04, 3 in 05, 8 in 06 and 07, and 6 in 08.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/2008/data/table_27.html

There hasn't even been a statistical increase in firearm related deaths in general for police officers since 2004. So where the hell are you getting your information from?

[SteveM]

17. Errors in need of correction...

"...the 2004 end of the assault-weapon ban" has not been related to "...the increase of deaths of cops..." Where is your supporting data? Has there been an increase in the deaths of cops by "assault weapons?" If so, what measures/time-frames are you using? The over all decrease in violent crime over the last 12+ years has come about even though the number of firearms in civilian hands has increased by well over 100,000,000. Have LEO deaths gone up as a counter-trend?

So-called "assault weapons" account for less than 3% of all gun homicides.

Incidentally, the "assault weapons ban" did not ban any semi-auto carbine if it did not have certain accoutrements, like muzzle flash suppressors, folding stocks, bayonet lugs, etc. If the firearm did not have these devices, it was not banned. In fact, during the "ban," millions of these semi-auto carbines were sold.

Tell me, did you make up your statement or read it elsewhere? I would like to see the link, if possible. Thanks.

[proteus_lives]

26. Actually our Rights are winning.

Real democrats, liberals and progressives aren't interested in throwing their rights away to be "safe".

[rd_kent]

4. I am very glad that the People are taking ALL of their Constitutional Rights seriously.

[damntexdem]

9. I do see one being used: freedom of speech.

That is also accorded to the lamebrained, disorganized rabble that fancy themselves the well-organized militia.

[rd_kent]

12. Who are they, this "disorganized rabble that fancy themselves the well-organized militia"?

I do not know who considers themselves a militia. Certainly not me..... Can you explain what you mean by that?

[eqfan592]

14. Look at the assertion you make about police deaths and the AWB.

Then look at the data available, then tell me who is being "lamebrained" around here.

[SteveM]

18. Another correction...

Freedom of speech is NOT "...accorded to the lamebrained, disorganized..." etc. The Constitution RECOGNIZES these rights and prevents the government from infringing on them. The government does not accord, allow, give or create these rights. This is fundamental to the understanding of how U.S. government works.

[taurus145]

65. Militia? Where?

We don' need no steenkin' militia.

Umm. 2A guarantees our right to own firearms.

What other rights do you dislike and would prefer to see tossed aside?

[X_Digger]

5. k&r! n/t

[aSpeckofDust]

6. Eep. Is no one smiling in that picture? n/t

[eqfan592]

7. The older guy who's head is blocking the lower left corner of the sign.

He appears to have a slight smile on his face. ;)

[damntexdem]

11. Well, of course: his head is blocking part of the sign.

So he's a block head. ;-)

[rd_kent]

15. So you have time to make a joke, but do you have time to respond to your post #8 and #9?

Some serious questions have been asked concerning your posts, are you going to reply?

[friendly_iconoclast]

22. Who needs pesky facts when you have *FAITH*!

The prophets Brady and Sugarman hath spoken unto them, so who are you to question the Word
of God with your 'facts' and 'accuracy'?

[TheWraith]

16. Reminds me of one of my favorite ways to describe myself...

"Heavily armed liberal."

[Tim01]

19. k&r nt

[autorank]

20. Ignorance is bliss and you're happy as can be

Your guy Deeds sure did a fine job didn't he. He marginalized the Democratic Party by
being the worst candidate in memory. Remember his marginalizing remark about rejecting
the health care bill as Governor of Virgnia. Also a big guy on unrestricted bun rights.

Remember Doug Wilder, the last Virginia Democrat with balls...he was for gun control and
he did fine, better than the crew that followed him.

[eqfan592]

23. I doubt he did fine because he was for gun control, though.

Sometimes even the best politicians are off their rocker on one issue or another.

And for the record, just about all of us here are for gun control, and are supportive of many of the measures we already have in place. It's the BS "feel good" crap that we can't stand.

[autorank]

48. I'm in a concealed carry permit area

There have not been any crazy shootings, not at all. Of course, this is probably the most highly educated, high income area in the world but the lack of incidents is encouraging. Down the road in DC the situation is out of control and they need their regulations. In fact, our lack of regulations feeds their problem.

How about this, I'm against the general distribution of armor piercing weapons and fully automatic weapons. Can I stay;)

(Deeds is a complete idiot, though, I won't give on that, unrelated to his position on gun control.)

[tridim]

21. It'd be fine with me if all CCW folks were required to wear that sign at all times while carrying

[eqfan592]

24. Because CCW folks have created such a huge problem, right?

Oh, wait a minute....

[tridim]

25. No, I just want to know who may feel compelled to pull a gun in public.

And take the law into his or her hands at the expense of the safety of innocent bystanders.

[eqfan592]

28. I doubt 99.999% of the CCW holders out there want to do any such things.

But if it comes to defending their own lives or the lives of others when there is no police presence (which is just about always because police can't possibly be everywhere at once), then that's a different story.

Sorry, but I don't think CCW permit holders are doing anything "at the expense of the safety of innocent bystanders." In fact, I'd say the opposite is more true.

[proteus_lives]

29. Or defend themselves?

Which is why most people (like moi) with CCW permits?

We're not stepping on your rights, please stop trying to take away ours.

[oneshooter]

30. And of course YOU will

wear a sign with a bullseye on it that says "I am unarmed".
After all it's only fair.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[tridim]

32. I'm proud that I'm unarmed.

[X_Digger]

34. So you'll wear the sign, right?

Otherwise you're taking advantage of the herd effect, where a criminal may think twice about attacking you because some percentage of the public is armed.. Heck, even if you did wear the sign, some criminals might think it ironic and you actually were armed.

[tridim]

35. No, I don't live my life in fear.

Try it some time.

[eqfan592]

38. Ahhh, I thought you were going here.

Be prepared and living in fear are not one in the same. If you think that people who choose to arm themselves are "living in fear" then you are really disconnected with reality. That is a situation that can easily be fixed if you are willing to maintain an open mind.

[tridim]

41. People who arm themselves are more likely to get shot by their own gun.

I assume that percentage goes up significantly if they're particularly fearful of everything and everyone.

[eqfan592]

44. Please provide evidence for your assertion?

And while you're doing that, here's evidence to show you're wrong.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgaga.html

You may be correct in your second statement (though I would still ask for evidence) but given that such people make up a very small percentage of the overall population (CCW and gun owners in general included) it doesn't appear to make a good argument against CCW or firearms ownership.

[SteveM]

62. Nah, he won't. He's just quoting from the gun-control bible; faith-based, y'know. nt

[rd_kent]

57. Now you REALLY are showing your ignorance.

Do you just make shit up as you go along?

[PavePusher]

60. "assume"

I see your problem.

[X_Digger]

40. *whoosh* that was the point flying overhead..

When you have some time, read up on the herd immunity / herd effect.

To a certain degree you are safer when you walk around because some percentage of people you pass on the street are carrying a concealed weapon. That knowledge acts as a deterrent to criminals.

Thank a local CCW for some measure of your safety the next time you walk around ;)

[friendly_iconoclast]

50. Ahh, but you *are* living your life in fear- a fear of CCW permit holders

Which is demonstrably irrational.

Tell me: Do you avoid travel to Vermont, since it does not require a permit to carry a concealed handgun?

For that matter, since most states allow some variety of concealed weapons carriage it seems you are doomed to a life
of anxiety...

[Euromutt]

51. Yes, you do

You've just said you want licensed concealed carriers to be forced to wear a sign because you're afraid one of them might at any time "take the law into his or her hands at the expense of the safety of innocent bystanders." Given that the chances of that happening are miniscule, and significantly smaller than the chance of becoming the victim of a violent crime or "hot" burglary, this would seem to constitute "living your life in fear" by your the standards you're quite happy to apply to others.

[rd_kent]

56. Apparently you do, since you are afraid of CCW holders.

[eqfan592]

37. Exactly where do you derive pride from in your choice? (nt)

[tridim]

42. I already posted why, because I don't live in constant fear.

Stress on that level kills.

[eqfan592]

46. Sorry, but that doesn't work.

Because the vast majority of gun owners and CCW permit holders also don't live in constant fear, unless you have proof to the contrary (and no, the act of carrying a gun is not proof of this, no more than the act of owning a fire extinguisher is proof of a person living in constant fear of a fire).

[SteveM]

63. You keep quoting this "constant fear" thing: who are you kidding? Yourself?...

I have a number of firearms, used for hunting AND self-defense. I do not live in constant fear; but some of you gun-controllers (quite comfortable at Biblical-chanting your prejudice against gun-owners), always bring it up first. Usually, when folks bring up these unsubstantiated remarks, it is because THEY are in fear and/or want to make an attack using sophomoric psychological terms.

So what do you fear, tridim? Concealed-carry folks? How could you fear them if you did not know they were carrying? Please, answer the question.

I bet I can out-sleep you! Grrr-r-r-r...snor-r-r-re....

"He who first smelt it, dealt it" -- Euripides

[rd_kent]

55. You certainly are unarmed when it comes to facts......

Don't look now, but your ignorance is showing.....

[east texas lib]

33. Well, just put on your I'm unarmed because...(insert your favorite reason here) sign...

Remember to wear it faithfully out in public as you go about your daily (or nightly) affairs, and most likely someone with a gun find you. But it probably won't be a CCW type with a legally owned weapon, if get my drift. But as long as your principles aren't compromised, that's the important thing. You can depart your mortal coil proudly knowing that you did it your way. ;)

[tridim]

36. I don't conceal tools of death, so no signs needed for me.

[eqfan592]

39. "Tools of death?"

Shesh, I think we have another sharesunited on our hands here. :P I'm curious if you feel the same about people who carry around swiss army knives with them?

[tridim]

43. Well, they're certainly not tools of life.

:eyes:

I know what a gun is for. Everybody does.

[oneshooter]

45. Do you have any idea what you are talking about? n/t

[eqfan592]

47. Tell that to the people who were able to fend off attacks on their person....

...with use of a firearm. A firearm is a tool. What purpose it will serve at any given time is up to the person who is holding it.

[rd_kent]

58. Really? You do? Your posts would prove otherwise....

[rd_kent]

54. Well, that just show how truly ignorant you are on this subject.

[PavePusher]

59. Self-defense is NOT "taking the law into your own hands".

But your manufactured hysteria is noted.

[proteus_lives]

27. Ha! You silly authoritarians.

Why should we when we're one of the safest groups in America?

[rd_kent]

53. Why? You are 5 times more likely to be shot by one of YOUR OWN than a CCW holder.

Perhaps YOU should wear a sign, since you are statistically MORE DANGEROUS than I am.

[proteus_lives]

31. That guy has his head on straight!

The gun grabbers are such a fringe group now. It makes me very happy to say that.

[jody]

49. We pro-RKBA Dems have won on the 2nd. The remaining question is how much damage anti-RKBA Dems can

do to our party before they are banished to the fringe of our party.

[rd_kent]

52. +1000000

I really do not think that the anti-RKBA understand the damage they are doing. What really pisses me off are the ones (many found right here) that are WILLFULLY IGNORANT and continue to spew the crap, hurting us all......

[era veteran]

61. ?????????????

So?

[OttavaKarhu]

64. That's a hilarious caption to the above photo...

...in the Times Dispatch. It says "several were seen carrying weapons." Um, no, that's a PICTURE of a weapon. :D