Dems Tout 2nd Amendment, Voting Records Show Hostility

[Superfly]

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A year before the 2004 presidential election, major Democrat candidates have moderated their rhetoric on firearms, trying not to alienate voters who own guns, while also carefully reassuring liberal voters of their continued support for gun control.

However, CNSNews.com's extensive review of the candidates' votes and statements on firearms policy shows that those with congressional experience have anything but a moderate voting record.

In the 2000 race, former Vice President Al Gore lost three battleground states - Arkansas, his home state of Tennessee and West Virginia, each by 6 or fewer percentage points - in part because he was unable to shed the anti-gun image he developed during the Democrats' primary contest.

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[CO Liberal]

1. CNS is a Wacko Right-Wing News Site

They make the Moonie Times look liberal. Notice how the story says "major Democrat candidates" and not "major Democratic candidates"?

Personally, I wouldn't trust anything on CNS.

[Superfly]

3. Is there anything in the article that is not true?

If so, address that, instead of trying to poo-poo the entire piece.

[CO Liberal]

4. When They Can't Even Get the Party Name Right......

...how can you believe anything else in the article?

[Superfly]

5. Are you talking about my subject line?

If so, that's me. I had to cut it down because it was too long.

[CO Liberal]

7. No. I'm Talking About The Text of the Story

Referring to us as the "Democrat Party" is something Limbaugh started, and it's spread across the right wing. It shows how biased your source is.

[Name removed]

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[Superfly]

24. And your response only goes to show

that you have no substance to argue. You are focusing on the omission of 2 letters, and that is your basis for building your (tenuous) position.

B

[MrBenchley]

15. Fly, it's NEWSMAX

"1. This is a message board for Democrats and other progressives."
Newsmax is a source for right wing loonies and dittoheads.

[MrBenchley]

11. Some other lowlights from this "source"

No wonder fly had to hide the site behind "link"...

Here's the lead: "We were skeptical Saturday night when New York Sen. Hillary Clinton told Iowa Democrats gathered at the Jefferson-Jackson Day Dinner that she'd spent Veteran's Day night at Washington, D.C.'s Walter Reed Army hospital comforting wounded soldiers just back from Iraq.
After all, there wasn't a single media report on the former first lady's Florence Nightingale moment. And even Walter Reed's in-house newspaper, which covered other visits by prominent congresspersons last week, made no mention of Mrs. Clinton's ministering to the troops."
Buried at the bottom:
"But after some checking, she returned to the line to confirm that the New York senator had indeed made the pilgrimage, but did so on her own, without any entourage and without notifying the public affairs office.
When asked if Walter Reed was in the habit of admitting non-relatives, who hadn't cleared their visit with hospital authorities, to barge in and wander through the sick wards at will, the spokeswoman replied, "When you're the wife of the ex-president, yes.""

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/11/17/191723.shtml

By jinkies, there's some swell "journalism" all right.

By the way, funniest paragraph in the entire piece:

""Revisionist history might work with politicians, but it certainly doesn't work with NRA members," said Chris Cox, the NRA's chief lobbyist."

Hey, if Revisionist history didn't work on those poor deluded yokels, there'd be no NRA.

[MrBenchley]

2. In other news...

Right wing screwlooses continue to lie publicly.....

[Withergyld]

6. flamebait

:argh:

[MrBenchley]

8. Accurate appraisal

CNS is a right wing pack of lies masquerading as news.

[pnorman]

9. The topic is well worth discussing,

but it's always wise to know the source. Like Newsmax where the link leads, CNSNews.com is consistently WELL to the Right, although trying to project a "moderate, common sense conservative" image.

On my union BBS, an EXTREME right wing member was constantly citing those two websites as "gospel". I typed "right to work" into the CNSNews search engine, and got 120+ "hits". Aside from the few accidental hits such search engines yield, all the rest were strongly PRO Right to Work, with many sourced directly from the National Right to Work Committee. That didn't seem to embarass him, although he got furious whenever I appended "Right to Work" to his name. Needless to say, that same clown got downright hysterical, whenever I cited a pro-union article from The Nation.

[MrBenchley]

13. It's worth noting

that despite a slew of articles saying "Democrats lost this or that state due to gun control" the people quoted in the article saying that always seem to be either Republicans or NRA asswipes.

Whenever there's a Democrat quoted that person always ascribes it to some other more plausible reason.

[jody]

10. Like others, Kerry says "'I Don't Want to Be the Candidate of the NRA'

but that's not the issue. The issue is whether a political candidate supports RKBA and Kerry is now saying he's for "gun safety" which is the new code phrase for "gun control" which many view as a code phrase for "gun bans".

Poor Kerry, he would make an outstanding president but he's already compromised by consistently voting with the gun-grabbers. That position obviously gets votes in MA but it will not win the presidency.

[papau]

14. "gun safety" = "gun control" = "gun bans"?

"gun safety" = "gun control" = "gun bans"?

Even the NRA claims to be in favor of gun safety.

[Superfly]

16. That's the perception among some voters

including me. I view any attempt to restrict my right to RKBA, whether it be cloaked in the veil of "gun safety" or "doing it for the children", as one more step to the eventual ban of new firearms and the confiscation of old.

[MrBenchley]

18. Those pretending Newsmax is real news

Who also pretend that everything this unelected drunk screws up is somehow Bill Clinton's fault.

[MrBenchley]

17. RKBA "logic" or whatever it is....

In that world, Dianne Feinstein is a wild-eyed extremist, while David Duke and John AshKKKroft support common sense gun rights.

[beevul]

19. In which world did....

"If I had 51 votes..."

take place?

What happened after assault weapon registration in california?

"I view any attempt to restrict my right to RKBA, whether it be cloaked in the veil of "gun safety" or "doing it for the children", as one more step to the eventual ban of new firearms and the confiscation of old."-Superfly

You took the words right out of my mouth.

[MrBenchley]

20. Too too funny...

"I view any attempt to restrict my right to RKBA, whether it be cloaked in the veil of "gun safety" or "doing it for the children", as one more step to the eventual ban of new firearms and the confiscation of old."-Superfly

Of course he also views Newsmax as a real news outlet.

[a2birdcage]

25. What's too funny is.........

when you can't ever answer anyone's questions when they ask. You dance around legit questions with insults, spins, and just plain ignorance. That's how we all know you've been defeated. You're so damn predictable. Hahaahahahahahahah!

[Superfly]

22. Thank you...I aim (pun intended) to please!

Brian

[jody]

21. Understand, however the gun-grabber community has adopted the

gun-safety phrase to replace gun-control. What the pro-RKBA group means by "gun safety" is not the same thing as used by gun-grabbers.

In the article cited in DU thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=22775&mesg_id=22775
QUOTE
Argument # 5
"I don't support gun control. I support gun safety."

It's time to scrap the term "gun control" altogether. The interest groups have quietly banned the term; so should Democrats. "Gun safety" is a more accurate term to describe measures like mandatory safety locks, closing the gun-show loophole, and better enforcement of existing gun laws.
UNQUOTE

I'm sorry but that dog won't hunt and the effort to conceal a "gun control/ban agenda" by changing the title will be understood by many pro-RKBA supporters as just another devious attempt by gun-grabbers to push their agenda.

Handguns are clearly a major problem and no one has ever proposed laws that would reduce the number of handguns in the hands of unauthorized persons without infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens to use handguns when exercising their inalienable right of self defense.

[MrBenchley]

23. Courtesy of the main board....

http://newsmaxsucks.com/

[Spoonman]

26. Superfly.....

If all they want to do is argue source credibility, give them one they can't bitch about!

"Democrats need a new way to frame the gun debate, because the old approaches to gun issues are proven losers.

Conventional wisdom now offers two basic choices: The first counsels Democrats to avoid mentioning gun issues altogether. Al Gore applied this "hope" strategy in the 2000 general election -- hoping the National Rifle Association and George W. Bush wouldn't define him as anti-gun -- and it failed miserably, with Gore carrying only 35 percent of gun owners."

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=119&subid=157&contentid=251918

[MrBenchley]

27. No matter how you slice it

it's the same old baloney...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=22775&mesg_id=22775

[Superfly]

28. I take it from the response

that I have on ignore, that somebody (hmmmm....let me guess) HAS found a way to bitch about it. What a surprise!