Brady/Million Mom March/VPC finally marginalized

[virginia mountainman]

Boy, It is so good to finally see this day.. I have been fighting this war since the early 1990's. And early on, it was a grim fight, but now, it seems that over the past decade and a half, the steady gains by the pro-civil rights forces in both houses of Congress, has finally pushed the Republican ran, and controlled Brady Campaign, and their ilk, to the dust bin, like the garbage they spew forth.

There near constant misleading of the issues, and steady drum beat about "blood running in the streets", finally caught up with them... Here are a few LOWLIGHTS

1st Cop Killer Bullets..... That was a non-starter when the politicians realized that they would be banning practically ALL, rifle ammunition, and they would have to explain themselves to the voters.

2nd Plastic Guns.... LOL!! The import of the Glock Pistol, started this, but the Glock has a HUGE hunk of steel, for the barrel, slide and several other "fire control" parts. No one has yet to make a plastic gun, but back in the early 1990's you could not toss a cat, around Sara Brady's office, without hitting a memo about Plastic Guns. And to top it off, the Glock quickly became on of the most popular sidearms in the US, for both Police and Civilian users

3rd Assault Weapon Ban, BOY, this one really pissed allot of voters off, and caused many politicians to loose their jobs, and rightly so. To pass a ban, on how a gun looks, is so numb brained, only a Republican could come up with it, This ban proved so unpopular that even mentioning bringing it back, causes uproars, and politicians to tremble in fear, unless your ex-repuke Caroline McCarthy or Di Fi, this is how they get their jollies.

4th Screaming about CCW laws.... They fought this non-stop, and still do, using the tiered mantra.." Blood will run in the streets" and "wild west". They have been proven wrong in EVERY CASE, but yet they still trot it out, all the while ignoring the lowering crime rates of those states that pass it.

5th The "State Report Cards" LOL!!! The one report card, where an "F" is a great grade, because most of the "A" rated states are violent hell holes...

We must remain vigilant, these republican assholes, and their misguided minions will do anything, to thrust themselves back into some semblance of seriousness.
Truth is on our side, and we will win the day..

[villager]

1. How happy for you, that you get to marginalize a million women...

n/t

[virginia mountainman]

2. You do realize, they never where anywhere near a million.....LOL!

Just a bit more "padding of the numbers" by the gun control crowd

And evidently, they don't vote.....

[Abq_Sarah]

3. They marginalize themselves

When they take a stand against self defense. you don't "empower" yourself by turning over the ability to protect your life and the lives of your family members to others.

[villager]

4. There is, of course, no legitmate case mothers can make against gun violence

n/t

[virginia mountainman]

5. Yes, of course...BUT...

So far, it seems that all they want to do, about the gun violence, is attack those that did not do it.

So, they FAIL....And in some cases, fail SPECTACULARLY!!

Someone needs to tell the MMM that their ship, has come in!!

[villager]

7. enjoy your third grade taunts!

n/t

[virginia mountainman]

9. Its not a taunt..its Schadenfreude !!!!!

ROFLMAO!! :rofl: :rofl:

[villager]

10. Pitiable, really...

n/t

[Hoopla Phil]

15. Gun violence IS acceptable when it is used to stop unlawful deadly force.

[villager]

16. "In the USA, two out of three women killed by their husbands are shot"

http://www.iansa.org/women/vaw/index.htm

[Hoopla Phil]

17. That does not correlate to the fact that gun violence IS acceptable when used to

stop unlawful deadly force.

[Euromutt]

23. And everywhere, 3 out of 3 women who are murdered by their husbands...

... are murdered by their husbands. So clearly, what is really needed is spouse control!

Typical gun prohibitionist statistic, that. They make out like it's very significant, but if you think about it for a few seconds, you realize it's utterly meaningless, or a tautology.

[Callisto32]

38. Like "mothers" against drunk driving?

Groups that use names like this to evoke an emotional response..."but, everybody loves mom." EEch, always seemed like they should feel a little dirty to me.

[spin]

6. Estimates of female gun owners are between 11 to 18 million...

In the most recent Gallop Poll conducted on gun ownership for the U.S. Department of Justice, 27 percent of women surveyed said they had a gun in the home, which means 37.6 million women have access to guns. There is no single source of statistics on American gun owners, male or female, though estimates of women gun owners usually range from 11 to 18 million. Though everyone who buys a gun legally fills out a federal form indicating gender and other demographic indicators, the federal government does not "count" gun owners.
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/Information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=1267

My daughter has a concealed carry permit and carries. Several of her female friends carry firearms in their car and after talking to her have decided to get a concealed carry permit.

She's a Democrat who strongly supports Obama and the Democratic Party. She supports a woman's right to chose and holds very liberal viewpoints.

She absolutely amazes me with her ability to comfortably carry a S&W Model 4" .38 special revolver concealed in a inside the waistband holster in the front of her pants. (She is only five foot two and weighs just over 100 pounds. She tells me that she can do this because she is thin and has boobs.)



So while one million moms may feel marginalized, many times more may feel enabled.

[virginia mountainman]

8. My wife, who is an RN..

Carries a Kimber 1911 .45 in her purse, or a in Small of the back holster....



She likes the slimness of it, easy to hide.

She sayz, Rosie, and her armed gaurds can go to hell......

[spin]

11. Hell of a nice weapon...

I've fired them on the range many times since they are a very popular firearm. (I own three older Colt 1911s.)

My daughter is fond of "wheel guns" or revolvers because of their simplicity and reliability. She also often carries a .22 mag sub nosed S&W revolver the Model 351 PD in her purse.



She had a job for a while which required her to travel in some remote and isolated areas of Florida and possibly encounter some people who might be running a moonshine still or a meth lab. After one or two tense encounters, she moved up the the 4" 38 special.

[Statistical]

19. My wife doesn't carry (yet) but she is a converted "million mom" woman

My wife bought all the anti-gun crap hook line and sinker. She believed they should simply ban them all. She initially tolerated my firearms mainly because while were dating I showed her I was responsible.

She however never wanted to fire them, or learn how to load it (for an emergency). Once she held a pistol that I emptied and showed her was empty at least 3 times and she cried. She said it "felt aweful like it was death".

A year later when we had a blackout for 4 days due to hurricane and we heard sirens in the dark each night she commented that it made her feel safer than if someone broke in I could stop them (still all on me).

I tried to get her to take that next step. Go to the range, buy her own firarm, learn how to defend herself but she wasn't interested and I didn't want to push.

The final conversion is when I got orders for Iraq. She wanted me to leave a loaded pistol in nightstand for her. I said no way. Training or nothing. She wanted to not feel defenseless more than she wanted to no learn about guns.

Went to range and tried guns (she almost left before she fired because of the noise). Found a firearm she was comfortable with. Learned as well as I could in 2 weekends how to shoot, how to load, how to unload, how to lube & clean it.

Her choice (not mine) was Springfield XD 9mm


That was 2 years ago. Since then she has done a 180. She called the govenor (he gave her a phone # to call when he met with spouses of our unit while we were deployed) and told him he was wrong on right to carry laws in VA. Often when people start out with "crazy gun owners" she will cut them off with "I am one of those crazy gun owners. Self Defense is a human right. Should women be forced to depend on men for protection. Is this the dark ages?" or something like that.

She still doesn't carry but she does say that having the weapon in the house for self defense is empowering. I bought her a gunvault for rapid but secure access and it is our primary quick access home defense weapon. The "old standard" Remington 12 gauge is the other.

We will never reach the hardcore antis. The one to whom anti-gun is a faith or religion but we can reach those on the fence or slightly anti one voter at a time.

[Jackson1999]

35. Going down that same track here

When we were first married, my wife didn't even want the shotties in the house. Fortunately, I won that battle. She didn't even like looking at them when I had them out. Then, she became comfortable with them-understanding that they were just inanimate objects. I took her out sporting clay shooting with me. She didn't want to shoot, but just throw the clays. Of course I used the lightest 9 shot I had. Towards the end she took a shot or two.

When I returned from one particular business trip, she casually asked if they made any lighter shotguns.....;-).

I tell you, getting an anti-gunner to the range is half the battle.

[Statistical]

37. Agreed on that.

My neighbor never owned firearms.

He talked about wanting to get a firearm for home defense.
Well antis never use terms like that, its more like "man lots of breakins lately. its scary".

He knew nothing of firearms and I offered to take him shooting.
I had offered in the past and he always said no. He accepted. I guess the fear of breakins was greater than the unknown fear of firearms.

He loved shooting.
Was amazed at how difficult accurately shooting really is.
Instantly understood it is a sport requiring skill.
Made a comment "much harder than it looks on TV".

Now a firearm owner.

1 vote at a time. If every gun owner can bring one person who is on the fence over the Dems would stop this stupid war on guns for good.

The hardcore antis..... don't waste your time. They will never change.

[Hoopla Phil]

14. I believe that CHL's have been a real boon that has empowered women.

[Tejas]

22. 999,999 - I think one of them is still in prison for Attempted Murder

Barbara Graham, or whichever one of her aliases you care to use.

[Tim01]

12. Americans are getting educated about how they have been misled.And they are not happy.

I know some of these people. I am meeting more and more democrats all the time now who are sick of lies coming from the gun control folks. The people I know are not buying it anymore, they know what is going on. These are people who did at one time believe the gun-control lies.
I am meeting women all the time now who want a gun. They want to be able to protect themselves. And they are no longer just giving up and hoping for the best. I think this is going to pick up steam ,too.

[Hoopla Phil]

13. Thank you for that positive orientated post. It is a struggle to stay positive

with the constant assaults on our 2A rights but we are winning. I'd really like that stupid "sporting purpose" clause to be removed though. Why is it the governments position that for a firearm to be "sporting" some animal has to die?

[Statistical]

18. Why is sporting in there at all?

I founding fathers could give a flying crap about how sporting a rifle is. They ensured civilians had access to the latest and greatest military hardware (which was also useful for hunting and defending their homes).

With Heller v DC I think a lot opened up. Not directly.

Multiple incorporation battles

Alan Gura is fighting the incorporation battle v. the gun battle in Chicago. The 7th circuit just punted so the Supremes will pick that up. Likely too late to hear it this year but they should here it after the recces.

If Gura wins that one it will result in a flood of lawsuits:
restrictive registration in certain states
AWB in CA
may issue v. shall issue

[virginia mountainman]

24. Could you imagine the howls of protest..

If someone tried to apply the "sporting clause" to the importation of books??

Damn George Bush....

[Statistical]

25. Or if the first said something like

A well educated citizenry being necessary for free elections; the right of the people to read and own books shall not be infringed.

Then some groups trying to say it is a collective right. Or that only books that are directly related to civics are protected or that the govt can outlaw dangerous books or books that look dangerous or put a limit on the number of books one can own or require you to register a book or prohibit you from loaning or selling a book to a friend.

The ACLU would be all over that but somehow because it is the second and not the first infringement is fun!

[Pullo]

20. LOL, the Sun Sentinel must have taken notes!

From the high priests of the http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/opinion/sfl-assault-weapons-m053109pnmay31,0,7886421.story">South FL Sun Sentinel

One can only hope Congress and the Obama administration find some guts and reinstate the assault weapons ban. And when they do that, they should go further and regulate some of the ammunition that makes assault weapons so deadly, and so hated by police departments in South Florida.

In Coral Springs last weekend, Officer Paul Kempinski was shot with a Norinco assault rifle, and hit several times with 7.62-mm bullets that were able to pierce his body armor. That type of ammunition is readily available, which can't be comforting to police or regular citizens.

Officer Kempinski is recovering, but the incident begs the question: Who needs ammunition that can pierce the protective armor of a police officer? Do you need this kind of ammunition for hunting? Perhaps if you are hunting rhinos wearing protective vests.

Not only are too many assault-style weapons on the street, but so are the types of ammo that can do nothing but create havoc out there. You can readily access ammo for AR-15s, AK-47s, you name it.

The regulations and definitions of some of the ammunition can get so mind-boggling, even some police agencies are confused. For example, you have some ammunition that will penetrate soft body armor, and it is not classified as armor-piercing by federal law.

So, it's understood this is a complex matter. Nonetheless, this Congress and President Obama haven't shown much willingness to take on the gun lobby. They have given the OK for weapons in national parks, and haven't shown any inclination to reinstate the assault weapons ban, which expired in 2004.

But how much more carnage does there have to be, how many more police officers and innocent citizens have to be victimized, before action is taken to get these dangerous weapons and the deadly ammunition off the streets?

There is no reason for the stuff, other than to do drastic harm to regular people and police. Our lawmakers need to get it off the streets.

.....and some wonder why the newspaper biz is in the crapper.....

[virginia mountainman]

21. WOW...

The Dumassery in that article redefines the word, dumassery..

[Statistical]

26. Rifle ammo actually PEIRCED a vest designed to stop handgun rounds.

Someone call the physics police!

The 7.62x39mm is a rather anemic round. If you banned anything with that much power or more you essentially would ban ALL rifle cartridges and shotgun slugs.

I wonder if the "reporter" knew that and didn't care or simply didn't know and didn't want to know.

[Hoopla Phil]

27. Yep. body armor failed to do a job it was not designed nor tested to do. WOW?!

[Statistical]

28. You mean a class I body armor won't stop a tank round? what about a 500lbs bomb? what about a nuke?

[Callisto32]

39. Why do research, or check your facts

when you have all those helpful press releases to plagiarize!

[benEzra]

40. OMG, the top 3 civilian rifle calibers in the USA can be bought in STORES!!!

The sky is falling! Be very afraid!

[AtheistCrusader]

41. This kind of bullshit actually engenders violence.

Yeah, lets build up these weapons into some kind of mythological destructive force. Great idea. I mean, this is basically a half page advertisement, encouraging scumbags to do bad things with firearms. BUY AN AK 47, IT'S THE WRATH OF GOD INCARNATE! YOU CAN KILL ANYTHING WITH IT, MOW PEOPLE DOWN BY THE THOUSANDS yadda yadda yadda.

It's a launcher, that puts a piece of lead downrange. It is not a death ray. There is not a single fact in that article.

[Deadric Damodred]

29. Do you think they got that "plastic" idea from Die Hard 2?

Didn't Die Hard 2 talk about the mythical "Glock 7" which "costs more than the head of the police department at the Airport makes in a month, and doesn't show up on any Airport screeners"? Do you think that's where the Brady's conjured up that line of shit?

[Statistical]

30. 90% of antis "facts" come from hollywood/media

pistol grips for spraying from hip
plastic guns
"heat seaking" 0.50 cal ammo
cop killer bullets
black talons
gang bangers buying automatic weapons retail
women can't defend themselves the mugger/rapist just takes the gun

have you ever noticed on TV shows/ movies there are only 3 categories of people who us guns
1) badguys
2) cops
3) heroes (24, alias, etc)

NEVER EVER do they EVERY have a script where a normal guy uses a gun in a responsible manner.

Think of all of the TV shows you have ever seen. As far back as the A-team, to X files, to Law & Order, ER, even new Southland.
Always badguys, cops, heroes. It is not possible for normal people to use guns. Just take them away they likely will just hurt themselves anyways.

It is all part of that conditioning to make people think only heroes, cops, and badguys use guns.

[Deadric Damodred]

31. I don't think it would be possible...

...to make a gun that was completely plastic and functional. The first part that comes to mind would be the firing pin. Exactly what in the world could you possibly substitute for it and still keep it functional? Diamond? Would that even be plausible? Then of course the ammo would be another problem. A gun with no metal in it whatsoever and ammo with no metal in, all funtioning properly and reliably? I don't think so. I wish the antis would sit down and think about it when they say "plastic guns", because I don't think they completely understand what they are talking about.

[Taitertots]

42. Plastic guns would be illegal and have been for decades

I believe it was the Reagan era when guns designed to be able to get through airplane security became illegal.

You could make a gun that would get through metal detectors. Using a variety of ceramics and expensive metals a totally non-magnetic gun could be made. It would cost more than a house and require special equipment.

[Euromutt]

33. You forgot category 4...

... idiots. Any time the character of Denny Crane (played by William Shatner) on Boston Legal so much as puts his hand on a gun, he suffers three negligent discharges.

Oh, come to think of it, though, there were quite a few instances of regular citizens using firearms in defense of the community in Jericho. Admittedly, they did rather operate in the shadow of the show's heroes, but they were there. At least one of the regular citizens even had an AR (in the scene where they set up a roadblock at the bridge to stop the Blackwater, excuse me, Ravenwood goons from entering town).

[Euromutt]

32. The fictional "Glock 7" was ceramic, not plastic

But it certainly contributed to the idea that Glock makes guns that don't show up on metal detectors.

[Deadric Damodred]

43. Oh yes, you are right.

It was ceramic in the movie. I still have to wonder....when talking about the "guts" of the gun.....exactly what could you make a reliable firing pin out of if no metals are an option? Or how about the ammo? It's scientifically impossible as far as the resources that are availible to us here on Earth. I guess you'd need space exploration to solve that problem.

[Euromutt]

44. The firing pin's no probem, but...

Trying to make durable springs without using metal, that's a challenge!

[virginia mountainman]

34. Lethal Weapon 3's storyline

Seemed to be centered around "cop killer" bullets.

LOL it even showed them, being fired from a submachine gun, going right thru a bucket loaders steel bucket, in the movies grand finale!

[Statistical]

36. I never watched it.... Help us all "bucket loader defense act of 2010" is likely coming.

Any bullet capable of piercing a bucket loader (as tested by DHS and paid for by bullet manufacturers) shall be prohibited for sale to civilians.

Any submachine gun is prohibited from being advertised shooting through a bucket loader.

Its for the children people!