Money to Democrats, NRA vs. Brady Campaign

[virginia mountainman]

WOW, the NRA gives considerably more money to Democrats than the vile, Brady Campaign does...

By the numbers....

In 2008, the NRA gave $236,580 to Democrats.

In 2008, the vile Brady Campaign gave only $32,750 to all candidates.

LOL, looks like they only took in about $15,000 from individual doner...That information is not listed for the NRA....

http://www.opensecrets.org/

[hendo]

1. beware the anti-gun crowd.

heck, I am pro-gun and as much as I hate to admit it, I can see problems with that data.

[FLAprogressive]

2. "Here's the story...of a lovely lady....whose husband was a Reagan PR guy...."

[hendo]

4. and that is the opposite of what i expected

not that i expected an actual discussion from you anti-gun people.. I guess I over estimated people.

[FLAprogressive]

7. You misunderstand me. I am pro-RKBA and anti-gun control. (and anti Brady Bunch)

[hendo]

27. oh yeah, sorry. I forgot about Brady's past. NT

[proud2BlibKansan]

3. Of the two organizations, you call Brady "vile" ?

And the organization that defends that lunatic cop killer's RTBA is receiving praise from you?

Wow.

[hendo]

5. yay for off topic responses. NT

[proud2BlibKansan]

23. Brady promotes gun control

NRA wants no gun control. So they support the right of cop killers to own guns. Now how is that off topic? Or do you just get uncomfortable when it is pointed out that working to guarantee the lunatics' RKBA is having disastrous results?

[X_Digger]

24. That's a rather black and white position..

..not backed up by facts. The NRA helped draft the 1934 NFA regulations that made machineguns almost unattainable to your everage person, as well as the 1986 ban on armor piercing handgun ammunition, and the 1994 law that established the instant background check.

Please link to something that says the NRA wants no gun control, or wants cop killers to have guns.

[friendly_iconoclast]

31. Stop polluting a beautiful stereotype with grubby facts, you big meanyhead!

Once again:

"It's not what you don't know, it's what you *think* you know that ain't so."

[proud2BlibKansan]

41. Actually I am interested in you proving the NRA supports ANY gun control

Other than the machine gun. That was quite some time ago. What has the NRA done recently to support keeping guns out of the hands of lunatics who murder cops?

[X_Digger]

42. 94 not recent enough? How about '97? '03?

Or the '07 expansion of NICS in Virginia?

on edit: I refuse to go on the defensive- you are the one who made an assertion contrary to the stated goals of the organization. It's up to you prove your assertion.

[S_B_Jackson]

54. NRA was also a driving force in the adoption of

the Gun Control Act of 1968 which made established the FFL system, made it illegal for felons or those with adjudicated mental disabilities from purchasing firearms.

[pipoman]

57. The Google machine on my internets machine works...

With the NRA on board, the bill, which fixes flaws in the national gun background check system that allowed the Virginia Tech shooter to buy guns despite his mental health problems, has a good chance of becoming the first major gun control law in more than a decade.

"We’ll work with anyone, if you protect the rights of law-abiding people under the second amendment and you target people that shouldn't have guns," NRA chief Wayne LaPierre told CBS News Correspondent Sharyl Atkisson

"As the Virginia Tech shooting reminded us, there is an urgent national need to improve the background check system" to keep guns out of the hands of those barred from buying them, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/13/politics/main2923101.shtml


To sign on to the deal, the powerful gun lobby won significant concessions from Democratic negotiators in weeks of painstaking talks. Individuals with minor infractions in their pasts could petition their states to have their names removed from the federal database, and about 83,000 military veterans, put into the system by the Department of Veterans Affairs in 2000 for alleged mental health reasons, would have a chance to clean their records. The federal government would be permanently barred from charging gun buyers or sellers a fee for their background checks. In addition, faulty records such as duplicative names or expunged convictions would have to be scrubbed from the database. (Seem like reasonable and Progressive conditions to me)

-snip-

Chris W. Cox, the NRA's chief lobbyist, said yesterday that the organization will strongly support the legislation as written. "We've been on record for decades for keeping firearms out of the hands of the mentally adjudicated. It's not only good policy, it's good politics," he said. But Cox warned that if the legislation becomes a "gun-control wish list" as it moves through Congress, the NRA will withdraw its support and work against the bill.

The NRA reacted furiously to the last major federal gun-control legislation, a 1994 ban on assault weapons, and that reaction helped sweep Democrats from control of Congress later that year. Vice President Al Gore's embrace of gun-control proposals helped secure his defeat in the presidential election of 2000, and Democratic leaders have been leery of touching the issue ever since.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/09/AR2007060901080_pf.html

There's more but this is all I have time for now, which is more than enough (combined with other links already posted) to discredit your absolute, erroneous statements. Google is your friend.

[hendo]

26. yay for extremist positions posited by someone who doesn't understand!! NT

[yay]

34. Funny you should say that

Because IIRC the NRA supported the bill that gave us the NCIS background check. But you're right of course they want to regulation what so ever.

[Hangingon]

39. I have never seen the NRA advocate gun violence against

police. The staunchly advocate enforcing the gun laws presently in effect. As usual you are either terribly misinformed or spouting disinformation.

[DonP]

40. I don't suppose you have any real examples, do you?

"NRA wants no gun control. So they support the right of cop killers to own guns. "

Got an example to share with the class?

Come on, that should be easy all of their material is public record stuff and available online. Just show us one example of the NRA supporting the right of cop killers to own guns, even one tiny example?

I didn't think so. We call that spreading a lie where I come from, what do they call it where you come from?

You know you really have to get out more and read something other than the Brady web site and Paul Helmke's blog site where he doesn't allow any postings. The NRA has over 4 million members and if you can find a single case of the NRA promoting the idea that criminals should own guns, or the mentally impaired or anything else that reeks of criminality a lot of us here would love to see it.

Otherwise you are spouting off about something you know crap about or that you heard from someone with an equal level of ignorance of fact.

Cripes you sound like my idiot Fundy Cousin ranting about abortion, he knows nothing about that either.

[proud2BlibKansan]

52. I went to the NRA website and I can't find anything to support what you are claiming

A lot of the links are broken. It's a flashy looking website but doesn't seem very functional.

Anyway, I see nothing to support any claim that the NRA supports any gun control at all. There is an editorial piece that complains about vets with PTSD are being denied gun ownership and I can't say I disagree with that.

So unless someone can PROVE the NRA is actively supporting limiting gun ownership, I remain unconvinced. It seems like they would want to put that piece of information on their website.

I was also disappointed to note no statement condemning the lunatics who own guns and kill cops. Again, I would think the NRA would want to condemn that. Yet they don't. :shrug:

[friendly_iconoclast]

55. Is this an example of your usual quality of research? (long)

proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-10-09 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #5
23. Brady promotes gun control
NRA wants no gun control. So they support the right of cop killers to own guns. Now how is that off topic? Or do you just get uncomfortable when it is pointed out that working to guarantee the lunatics' RKBA is having disastrous results?


proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-10-09 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #24
41. Actually I am interested in you proving the NRA supports ANY gun control
Other than the machine gun. That was quite some time ago. What has the NRA done recently to support keeping guns out of the hands of lunatics who murder cops?


proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-11-09 01:16 AM
Response to Reply #40
52. I went to the NRA website and I can't find anything to support what you are claiming
A lot of the links are broken. It's a flashy looking website but doesn't seem very functional.

Anyway, I see nothing to support any claim that the NRA supports any gun control at all. There is an editorial piece that complains about vets with PTSD are being denied gun ownership and I can't say I disagree with that.

So unless someone can PROVE the NRA is actively supporting limiting gun ownership, I remain unconvinced. It seems like they would want to put that piece of information on their website.

I was also disappointed to note no statement condemning the lunatics who own guns and kill cops. Again, I would think the NRA would want to condemn that. Yet they don't.

Your browser is messed up, so you just went ahead and posted things you "knew" were "true".

I'll resist the temptation to make a remark about education majors...

I ain't exactly Tim Berners-Lee, and it took me less than five minutes to find the following:

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FAQ/?s=21

What is NRA doing to address the problem of violent crime in America?

For more than a century, NRA has aggressively supported the strict enforcement of laws against violent criminals who misuse firearms and has worked to improve the criminal justice system. As just one example, NRA actively worked to insure that the Career Armed Criminal Act became federal law in 1984. During the 1990s, NRA worked with state legislatures and governors to increase prison sentences, reduce probation and parole for the most violent criminals and to impose mandatory sentencing guidelines for repeat offenders. Today, NRA continues to lead the call for expansion of “Project Exile,” a federal program that throws the book at felons who illegally possess firearms. Measures like these have been credited for violent crime decreasing for nine consecutive years.

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FAQ/?s=22

Does NRA feel that anybody should be allowed to own a firearm?

NRA believes the Second Amendment to the Constitution guarantees the right of the individual to keep and bear arms and that the government should not interfere with any law-abiding citizen’s private decision to own, or not to own, a firearm. Felons, particularly those convicted of violent offenses should, as a result of their own actions, have their right to own a firearm abridged. Please see:

http://www.nraila.org/media/misc/fables.html

FABLE III: NRA opposes all "reasonable" gun regulations.

Anti-gun activist groups claim that all of their proposals--including gun bans, prohibitive taxes, registration and licensing to name a few-- are "moderate and reasonable." Those who oppose such ideas, they say, are "unreasonable." And they claim that NRA opposes all gun laws. The truth is, NRA supports many gun laws, including federal and state laws that prohibit the possession of firearms by certain categories of people, such as convicted violent criminals, those prohibiting sales of firearms to juveniles, and those requiring instant criminal records checks on retail firearm purchasers.1

NRA has also assisted in writing gun laws. The 1986 federal law prohibiting the manufacture and importation of "armor piercing ammunition" adopted standards NRA helped write.2 When anti-gun groups accuse NRA of opposing the law, they lie. NRA, joined by the Justice Department and Treasury Department, opposed only earlier legislation because that legislation would have banned an enormous variety of hunting, target shooting and defensive ammunition.3 The sponsor of the earlier bill, Rep. Mario Biaggi (D-N.Y.), felt that his original goals were met by the NRA-backed bill that became law. "Our final legislative product was not some watered-down version of what we set out to do," Biaggi said on the floor of the House. "In the end, there was no compromise on the part of police safety."

Similarly, the anti-gun lobby also continues to falsely claim that NRA opposed all efforts to ban "plastic guns." In truth, no "plastic" firearms existed then or now. NRA only opposed a bill that would have banned millions of commonplace handguns, and instead supported an alternative, the Hughes-McCollum bill. That 1988 legislation prohibited the development and production of any firearm that would be undetectable by airport detectors, and enhanced airport security systems to counter terrorism. In the end, the NRA-backed legislation passed Congress with wide bipartisan support and was signed into law by President Reagan.

At the state level, NRA has worked with legislators to write laws requiring computerized "instant" criminal records checks on purchasers of firearms and those who carry firearms for protection in public. Because crime can be reduced by correcting deficiencies in criminal justice laws and policies, NRA has worked with legislators and citizens' groups in many states to increase the length of prison sentences for violent criminals, to sentence violent criminals to prison rather than probation, to prevent the parole of the most violent convicts, and to expand prison capacity.


1. In federal law, 18 U.S.C. 922(g), 922(x), and 922(t).

2. 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(B)(i) and (C). See also 922(a)(7) and (8) and (b)(5).

3. The bill was H.R. 2280, in the 97th Congress. Associate Attorney General Rudolph Giuliani and Deputy Assistant Secretary for Enforcement of the Treasury Robert Powis testified during hearings before the Subcommittee on Crime, Committee on the Judiciary, House of Representatives, on May 12 and March 30, 1982, respectively.

[paulsby]

62. false

NRA supports plenty of gun control.

convicted felons - no guns for instance.

please show me evidence where the NRA has ever supported the right of convicted felons to possess guns

fwiw, i am a police officer and i don't particularly care if convicted felons of NONviolent crimes like tax fraud etc. are prohibited, but regardless, the violent felons need to be prohibited. and they are

[FLAprogressive]

6. Any organizations that exists to take away rights is vile, whether it be the Brady

Bunch or the church.

[proud2BlibKansan]

22. Well I think murder by bullet is rather vile

Silly me.

[hendo]

28. no one here is pro-murder

yet you seem to think you have to be pro-murder to be pro-gun.

[proud2BlibKansan]

36. If you support the right of insane lunatics to own guns and they use them to kill people

that's as close to pro-murder as I can imagine.

You all need to agree to a plan that keeps guns out of the lunatics' hands. Cause what we have now is not working.

[yay]

37. And if you even bothered to notice

The NRA is working with other to help update/fix the NCIS system.

[proud2BlibKansan]

49. Nevada Career Information System?

http://www.google.com/search?q=NCIS%20system&sourceid=mozilla2&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

[yay]

60. You fail

No really, you're just fucking retarded. ZOMG SORRY FOR ZEH TYPO MANG!

[friendly_iconoclast]

38. Do you think the ACLU has to help plan a way to prevent child pornography?

That's what you are asking.

[proud2BlibKansan]

50. How does the ACLU promote child pornography?

The NRA does however promote gun ownership, does it not?

[X_Digger]

58. Dang, are you being thick, or just disingenuous?

Compare these two statements

The ACLU is an advocacy group that supports the lawful exercise of the first amendment.

However, it's not the ACLU's responsibility to 'fix' problems associated with folks abusing their first amendment rights by posting child pornography.

vs.

The NRA is an advocacy group that supports the lawful exercise of the second amendment.

However it's not the NRA's responsibility to 'fix' problems associated with folks abusing their second amendment rights by killing people.



Does that make it clear?

[Caliman73]

47. Ok, we can agree to a plan...can you?

We will agree to that, as most of the pro-firearms people on this forum have advocated more strict enforcement of current laws AND have all advocated for better background checks AS WELL as increased funding for mental health services to prevent these crimes at the source...the individual.

Can you agree to stop using hyperbole and erroneous simplistic one line general attacks and actually understand what you are talking about?

Guns are designed to fire projectiles which can kill people and destroy objects. All responsible owners understand and respect that. They are also used defensively to protect lives and property against those who would do not respect the laws. The problem is not the object. The problem is the person who would use the object to victimize others. My firearms do not victimize anyone. They are locked away or under my immediate control at all times. I take my responsibilities to keep myself, my loved ones, and the community at large as safe as I can, very seriously. If you cannot respect that, then there are many other potentially deadly objects that we should get rid of to keep ourselves safe from each other.

[friendly_iconoclast]

48. You have figured out the obvious "typecasting"

Pointing out some supposed moral failing, then implying it's the other persons job
to prove them wrong.

[proud2BlibKansan]

51. And those other potentially deadly objects have specific purposes, do they not?

Purposes that don't involve killing people?

Cars are deadly yet they are used for transportation.

Water can be deadly in the case of a drowning yet we need water to sustain life.

Even knives. They are deadly yet they are also used as a tool without a deadly purpose.

But guns have no other purpose but to kill or seriously injure. And not everyone who owns a gun is responsible.

At the very least, better background checks are in order. So is mental health funding. Whatever it takes to keep guns away from the lunatics who kill cops. Can we do that? I honestly don't know. So far, we are not doing a very good job.

[virginia mountainman]

59. WOW...what density...

I think we now know what Sara Brady's DU handle is.

Now, Excuse me, I promised the kids that we would go target shooting today..... The most common use of firearms....

[virginia mountainman]

10. I call them Vile...

Because I hate organizations, that are founded by Republicans, that are designed to mislead, good democrats, into taking stands, that are politically radioactive..

I firmly believe, that the Brady Campaign #1 reason for existing, is to keep the "pot stirred" in Republicans favor. That is UNDENIABLY the end result of their activism.

MANY, MANY Democrats, have lost elections, by following their "advice"...

[jody]

33. Anti-RKBA groups want to disarm victims and pro-RKBA groups want to disarm criminals. n/t

[Junkdrawer]

8. The Brady Campaign gave ONLY to Democrats,....NRA gave 80% to Republicans....

http://www.opensecrets.org/usearch/searchresults.php?drill=Brady+Campaign+to+Prevent+Gun+Violence&type=O

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000082

Are you SURE you want to go there?

[virginia mountainman]

11. Too bad it is such a puny amount..

Glad to see that YOU have no problem, with Democrats, giving money, and a group of elitist Republicans, DECIDING which Democrat gets the funds...

[Junkdrawer]

15. I guess the funny part is that you think you're helping your cause...

Oh, please keep it up....

[hendo]

29. I find it even funnier that you think you are helping your own case. NT

[tridim]

14. I'm sure the OP didn't want YOU to go there

But thanks for going there.

[Junkdrawer]

19. I don't know. Perhaps the mountainman is a secret Brady guy...

I mean even I could hit that softball out of the park...

Skinner: I swear that "virginia mountainman" is not my sockpuppet, honest...;)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. Democratic candidates who accept money from the vile NRA don't get my vote.

[virginia mountainman]

13. Give some money to Brady...You can add a few to the $15,000 they got last year

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. I have.

[yay]

35. So you give to an organzation that pumps out logical falcities and lies?

[Abq_Sarah]

53. Do you feel the same way about the ACLU?

The right to keep and bear arms is an individual right protected by the Constitution. It is enshrined in the Bill of Rights which, contrary to some warped interpretations, places limits on government, not the people. The BOR grants no privileges or rights to the government. It was written to protect the rights of citizens.

[onehandle]

12. Which organization has more money to donate?

I would say it's not the "vile" one.

I only gave Democrats about $300 last year. What does that make me?

How much did you give?

Try again.

[dsc]

16. and they gave 928,483 to the GOP

which means that it was a net 691,997 to the GOP.

[Junkdrawer]

17. Just to clarify...It's the NRA that gave $928,483 to the GOP...

Given the upside down nature of this thread that had to be said... :hi:

[hendo]

30. So, you are saying that they are not allowed to give money

to politicians that are pro-gun?

I guess we should outlaw Brady from giving money to the anti-gun politicians. Heck, how about we just outlaw the anti-gun democrats?

[yay]

61. How about we outlaw "donations" period?

Just an idea.

[kctim]

20. The real question is

Why do DEMOCRATS give more money to the NRA than they give to the brady bunch?

[Junkdrawer]

21. Alex, I'll take "Which group represents a lucrative industry? for $500"...n/t

[kctim]

25. So you fear the answer

and decide to answer a question with a question?
Niiiiice.

[friendly_iconoclast]

32. What is The National Shooting Sports Foundation?

Contact me by PM for details on how you will be sending me the $500

[virginia mountainman]

44. $500?? That is 1/30th All the monies taken in by Brady..

Republicans Sara Brady, Paul Hemike, Mike Bloomberg, and ex Rethug Caroline McCarthy thank them for THEIR contribution to their own downfall.....

[depakid]

43. The Brady campaign's so vile- you have to say it twice!

:rofl:

[virginia mountainman]

45. LOL Heads must be Exploding....

Cause all some of the Anti Bill of Rights people, can talk about is what the NRA gives Rethugs....

Not a single one is worried about the Republican's in the Brady Campaign calling their shots, or even acknowledge the massive disparity in amount to giving by the two groups. to Democrats..

My OP was all about that, and yet, you anti's can't get it together...

Nothing changes the fact that...

A...NRA gave Democrats $236,580

B.. The Vile Brady Campaign for all their nasty posturing, only gave $32,750.

I guess Gun Control just is not that important to them......

EDIT: you would think that as much as they are on TV, sprouting their bullshit, they would have more contributors..... LOL... O Well....

[friendly_iconoclast]

46. "Follow the Money" Any group besides the BC donating to Dems who support gun control?

I know it's a crass metric, but I would say it's a valid one:

If gun control was all that popular, there should be waaay more money being given to
Democrats who support gun control. From any source, not just the Bradys.

Hmm, I might just start poking around the link given and see who gets what from who.

Certainly, there's the Second Amendment Foundation, GOA, the NSSF. But who's on the other side
of the issue along with the BC?

[pipoman]

56. Frankly there are a fair number of gun control thugs,

why don't they receive a share of the Brady's massive war chest? Could it be that there is an ulterior motive on the part of the Brady's to push this agenda onto Dems in an attempt to get Dems booted as we were in 1994, 'it worked once, let's try it again'.