How many people here believe that some of the school shootings have been government false flag

[ogsbee]

attacks (for example, Virginia Tech and Columbine)? The theoretical purpose would be to whip up gun paranoia leading to tighter gun controls and possible confiscation. Or is such thinking considered paranoid ramblings?

[MichiganVote]

1. The men in the white coats are coming for ya'...just hang in there a little longer.

[Buzz Clik]

2. .

:tinfoilhat:

[Dr.Phool]

3. Probably nobody with a lick of sense.

[CoffeeCat]

4. I would never make fun of someone...

...for coming up with a theory like this.

Although it sounds outlandish, this administration is pure evil. They're capable
of anything.

They lied us into a war, and they have no problem watching our soldiers being
slaughtered and returned home to a lifetime of suffering. They know this war
was a lie--but they'll use those soldiers as cannon fodder--and stand by
as hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis die.

They have no respect for life.

After reading about what they did during Katrina...I could not be surprised by any
ploy, plot or sick plan. They "staged" Katrina clean-ups--while Bush was in town--and
then moved out the heavy equipment when Bush flew back to DC. They denied food, water
and rescue to our very own citizens.

These are sick, sick people who have made all of us very wary of our surroundings.

You're not paranoid, a tin-foil hatter or ludicrous for thinking this way. I've never
thought of the particular scenario described in the OP--but it's not so outlandish to
wonder about these things and to ask these questions.

[MichiganVote]

6. Make that a double ambulance....

[Sadie4629]

9. Please refresh my memory . . .

Who was president when Columbine happened??

:eyes:

[ogsbee]

10. Does the president control the powers behind the curtain?

Or is it the other way around?

For my view of our managed democracy: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3398134#3402203

[CoffeeCat]

13. Maybe you should read...

...what you are responding to--if, in fact, you were responding to me.

I said I didn't necessarily subscribe to what the OP was saying.

[maryf]

24. totally serious and shields up

I you really wouldn't be surprised by anything the government would do, you should take a serious look at the 9/11 truth movement, seriously. In regards to the shootings, it wouldn't surprise me at all either...however, I would doubt that all of them would be; as a teacher I see the bullying and isolation some kids are put through, so that could be cause enough in itself for the shootings (hhhmmm, also an easy rationalization the gov't could use, hhmmm).

[iverglas]

5. I was wondering just the other day

How come nobody is wondering how much the Brady Campaign pays people to post on internet forums and make gunheads look insane?

[SteveM]

29. I was wondering how much the NRA pays anti-gun cartoon editorialists (nt)

[aquart]

7. Way past paranoid.

All the way to downright dumb.

[RaleighNCDUer]

8. I might buy the theory, but not for the reason stated.

With this government of the corporation, by the corporation and for the corporation it is easier to believe, and the actual results support, that the increased fear caused MORE people to buy guns, pushed for MORE concealed carry laws and elimination of "gun free zones" - all to benefit the gun manufacturers.

[krispos42]

18. Yeah, except that gun manufacturing...

like most any manufacturing in the country now (because all the lucrative electronics stuff is in Asia) is dependable but low-profit. Sturm, Ruger & Co. only make a little over a million dollars last year in profit, and I believe the year before that they had a slight operational loss.

And according to Wikipedia, in 2006 Smith & Wesson made $12 million in profit on $190 million in revenues, a return of 6.3% if I'm doing my math right. And that included licenced apparal, handcuffs, and various and sundry other non-firearm items, including a specialized police bicycle.

:shrug:

The manufacturing place I work at seems to make about 6% profit. A little less last year, but we were just bought so we're still shaking things out.



The big money to be make is probably from government contracts for big, advanced weapons. Probably small-arms ammunition as well. And I heard that whoever is making those M-4 carbines for the military is getting a pretty penny for each one made.

[ogsbee]

11. It was pretty incredible shooting by Cho, I must say

Many people say that when the chosen perp is simply incapable of the accused act, that that is the time to start thinking patsy and government op.

Virginia Tech anomalies: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22virginia+tech%22+anomalies&btnG=Search

[benEzra]

14. Not really. Most of Cho's shooting was at near-contact distance,

and he was shooting quite slowly, like the Luby's shooter, and most of his targets were stationary.

No, I don't believe any of these are false-flag operations of any sort.

[ogsbee]

12. Delete, dupe

[pipoman]

15. Well let's see now,

how many people would have to be involved in such a scheme? Hmmm...

You're kidding right?

[ogsbee]

23. I've never understood how the question of the number involved speaks to the evidence

I mean evidence speaks loudest of all. You argument is backwards -- it claims that there is no reason to even try to ascertain the accurate facts. It's an illogical shortcut to closing down any investigation.

[pipoman]

28. Have you ever told

a secret? If so you know that that the only way to keep a secret is if you don't tell anyone. Now employ hundreds of people into your secret scheme. Impossible...really...

I have yet to see any evidence of such a scheme. The accurate facts came out with the interviews of everyone within a mile of the incident and everyone who has ever known the perp.

You came up with the OP and you're calling me illogical? :rofl:

[AtheistCrusader]

16. What prompted this question?

Seriously?

[krispos42]

17. Hmmm... somehow I just knew it was going to be a newcomer posting this...

The money the right-wing wants to make is on big things, like invading oil-rich Arab states. The right does not make any money from strict gun controls.

I suppose it might be there long-term project to disarm Americans as a prelude to tolatarianism, but more likely what we are currently undergoing is a generational shift. Starting about ten years ago or so, it became vogue to deal with crushing emotional problems by grabbing a gun and going out in a blaze of "glory", and now we're getting copycats. With so many anniversaries in April of many events (Hitler's birthday and a couple of school shootings that I can think of off the top of my head) it's now become part of the culture and is not going to go away for years, sadly.

However, the right in this country is more than happy to let the left take the heat for stricter gun-control laws. Whether or not the left actually passes them, the right often gets more political power and can do wonderful things like globalization, deregulation, subsidites, privatization, tax cuts, etc. And if the left actually suceeded in passing the laws, well, that just means that the country in general or at least the residents of blue states in particular have fewer guns, which may also serve their long-term goals.

But the right gets far more political power and money from large-scale things like the 9/11 attacks because those involve foreign powers and foreign military action, both of which they can use far more to pass their agendas than the latest MySpace page of three misfits busted for planning to shoot their principal.

In short, if there are false-flag operations, it probably not a murder-suicide at the local middle school. It's something with international reprocussions that is done is such a manner as to be graphically and expliciantly violent and does not entail the suicide of one of the operatives, especially when the suicide leaves a body to autopsy.

[ogsbee]

22. What's the name of this forum?

DemocraticUnderground, as in democracy with a small d. I feel I should be free to post what I want (within forum guidelines) and if I get shouted down, that's fine too.

By the way, I've been following this show for a while. Remember, Ewing2001 whose sig line pushed all other comments off the screen?

All that said, the body of your post seems to show that you're halfway there, keep following your instincts.

[krispos42]

25. Hey, nobody alerted on you and the mods didn't kill it

Nonetheless, new posters generally have a certain "style" to them. A regular of the Gungeon would not have made such a post.

Regardless I did answer your post. False-flag operations must always be looked for because of the risks of some kind of federal response.

Now if a bunch of people dressed as Arab Muslims shoot up a schoolyard in a rich white suburb, give me a call.

[Wickerman]

27. No, that is Democratic with a BIG D and an "atic" not an "ocracy"

Yes, I recall Ewing2001, and I recall there is a reason why he isn't here any longer. Welcome to DU.

[Redneck Socialist]

19. Are you fucking kidding me?

You win the "dumbest thing posted on DU today" award. And believe you me that's no easy task.

[ogsbee]

21. No, I'm not kidding at all.

Sorry you feel the need to be rude.

[ogsbee]

20. Wow, such anxious, frightened and angry responses

Well, the facts will remain what they are. Anytime anyone is ready, just start pulling loose threads here and there, see where they lead. Of course you'll have to step out of the mainstream corporate press (sic).

[pipoman]

31. You keep referencing "facts" and "evidence"

yet have offered neither. There are some here who think they are clairvoyant, I'm not one of them. Time for you to reveal the punchline or answers.

[SteveM]

32. Yeah, I missed the "facts" and "evidence" as well. (nt)

[Indy Lurker]

26. Reminds me of a quote

Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.

Surly the law enforcement folks at Virgina Tech would have acted differently, had they had any suspicion that they didn't have the shooter captured at the first incident.

[SteveM]

30. Incompetency is the graveyard of conspiracy...

And there is a mighty graveyard within the Beltway. I see nothing to indicate so-called "false flag" activity (I assume you believe the government(s) had some role in the planning/carrying out of these school shootings).

I don't know if your ramblings are paranoid, but I do believe that conspiracy-theorists have developed their own culture and community which almost demands all phenomena that disrupts society be passed through the conspiracy strainer. I don't buy it.