April 5, 2008 America's Shooting Gallery.

[zanne]

FL: A 13-year-old boy, Bryce Williams, was home with six other family members when Terry Joan Wilson-Poulk, 45, who the teen called his stepmom, picked up a handgun from under the chair where the boy was sitting; the .22-caliber semi-automatic pistol went off, striking Williams in the left side of the head.
CT: Joseph P. Simonelli, 60, of East Hampton was arrested after a 9-year-old was shot in the neck when the boy got access to the weapon at a local home.
OK: Domestic problems between a man and a recently estranged girlfriend led Arlondoe Carl Jones, 36, to shoot and kill Doris Jean Potts, 40, with a .12 gauge shotgun before ending his own life.
IN: Stephen J. Johnson calmly reported in a 911 call a murder-suicide had taken place and then he killed himself. Johnson, 58, killed his wife, Renee G. Johnson, 49, and his daughter, Rebecca J. Johnson, 14.
MA: Sobbing mother is arraigned in 8-year-old boy's accidental shooting death.
NE: The autopsy on Nicholas Marshalek, 16, said the cause of death was an accidental gunshot wound to the chest. Deputies believe that the rifle. owned by his grandfather, had accidentally been stored loaded. Three children were engaged in horseplay with the rifle when it discharged.
CO: Aurora police are looking for a second suspect in the robbery of a Party City store, after an officer shot another suspect. Officers surprised the suspects as they were coming out of the business, and that one suspect had taken a hostage and appeared to have a gun.
PA: Jason McMurren, now 17, was charged as an adult with rape in the Nov. 29, 2006, robbery in which three men ended up in a different apartment from one they initially targeted. McMurren, then 15, and two adults barged into the apartment with the intent to commit a robbery. The woman, who was home alone, said McMurren held her down and raped her at gunpoint.
CA: Officer Shot in Chest During Glendale Shooting Recovering.
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AND THE GUN CULTURE LIVES ON>

[xchrom]

1. recommend

[Retired AF Dem]

2. recommend

For what? Approx 5000 people a day die in the USA, idiots with guns contribute a very small percentage of that number.

[zanne]

4. It isn't a small number.

[bossy22]

5. remember

a murder by gun is so much worse than murder by knife

:eyes:

[virginia mountainman]

6. Now that is an OUTRIGHT lie...

I have seen allot of things in my life, but I HAVE NEVER, EVER, seen a "gun murder" anyone..

I have heard of criminals USING guns, to murder, but NEVER have I heard of a gun murdering anything.

EDIT, I just noticed, That poster is from Sara Brady's republican group...Zanne, why are you posting posters from that repuke ran organization??

In case you did not notice, this is DU, this is for DEMOCRATS, not Republicans, you can take that poster over to "Freak Republic" or something...Keep that crap out of here.

[Tejas]

19. Whole lot less than those evil cans of beer murdered

In your target year of 2004, there were just over 16,600 alcohol-related traffic deaths in this country.

Hmm, that's ONLY the traffic fatalities.



Sorry, no cartoons here:

http://www.alcoholalert.com/drunk-driving-statistics-2004.html

[zanne]

22. For the love of God, look up the word "analogy"...

The right-wingers didn't when they compared the number of American fatalities in Iraq to the number of automobile accidents in this country. Y'know what? That made them sound ignorant; like people who obviously never took the analogy-laden SAT's.

If you don't understand the basic concept of analogy, don't use it. It makes you sound the same way the right-wingers did.

It also just shows how sorry your excuses are for gun deaths in this country. You'll never be able to minimalize the tragedies caused by gun deaths by accident, domestic violence, rage, insanity or illegal activities. It's sad that you keep trying.

[zanne]

23. Okay, I looked it up for you.

a·nal·o·gy < ə nálləjee > (plural a·nal·o·gies)


noun

Definition:

1. comparison: a comparison between two things that are similar in some way, often used to help explain something or make it easier to understand


2. similarity: a similarity in some respects


3. biology equivalence between independent parts: equivalence in biological function between body parts or organs that have appeared independently in different plants and animals


4. logic form of reasoning: a form of logical inference, reasoning that if two things are taken to be alike in one way, they are alike in other ways


Do you UNDERSTAND now?

[bossy22]

25. i think he uses an anology fine

you consider guns having no benefit to society

tejas uses alcohol (which many believe have no benefit to society)

you just don't like it- and that is fine because you are entitled to not like it

[Tejas]

30. You use the word "sad"

Yes, sad indeed to revolve your life around blaming an inanimate object for everything that's ever gone wrong in the course of a day.

Sad that you use a cartoon from the very people that gleefully wipe their A** with the Bill of Rights at every opportunity.

Excuse? I made no such effort, sad to see that is the only "out" you can come up with but lately is to be expected. You need to wake up and quit towing the line for those folks.

[RSstoppingby]

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[gorfle]

34. Compared to 80 million gun owners, it is small.

11,344 firearm homicides compared to 80,000,000 firearm owners works out to .014% of firearm owners being involved in murder.

It is a small number, and a small price to pay for preserving the most fundamental of rights.

[Sanctified]

3. Thats it???? You mean we are supposed to ban something because of this?

How many people died due to alcohol on April 5th?

[zanne]

7. Nobody used the word "ban", but you know that.

Also, your analogy to alcohol is false. Alcohol and guns have completely different uses. So do cars. I suggest you get your dictionary and look up "analogy".

[bossy22]

10. true

but if you want to put 2 things into a category that you can claim have no benefit to society- you could put guns AND alcohol (though i disagree with putting guns there- you could logically do it though).

Cars serve a useful purpose- transport
Alcohol serves no useful purpose- unless you claim blurring judgment is a good purpose

[iverglas]

14. if ...

but if you want to put 2 things into a category that you can claim have no benefit to society

If wishes were horses ... well, I assume there are a few people who'd be wishing that someone actually wanted to put 2 things into a category that they could claim had no benefit to society ... or that anyone had put even 1 thing into that category ...

You must have been reading some other discussion board in some other universe, I'm afraid. The one where everything is made of straw.

[bossy22]

24. as usual

another post by you that serves no useful purpose to the discussion

[Spoonman]

33. No useful purpose

Pretty much sums it up.

I think finger exercise might qualify as a purpose, but as far as useful goes, you are dead on.

[iverglas]

8. "How many people died due to alcohol on April 5th?"

Hmm, dunno. But I do see possible evidence of excessive consumption on this date ...

You mean we are supposed to ban something because of this?

... although certainly there are myriad other possible explanations for someone saying something so bizarrely divorced from any reality in the vicinity.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

9. Thoughts and Prayers to the families of the lost.

I hope the criminals who committed some of these acts are prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

David

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[bossy22]

12. again stupidity

NE: The autopsy on Nicholas Marshalek, 16, said the cause of death was an accidental gunshot wound to the chest. Deputies believe that the rifle. owned by his grandfather, had accidentally been stored loaded. Three children were engaged in horseplay with the rifle when it discharged.

at 16 you should know better

[iverglas]

13. well he does now!

at 16 you should know better

I can think of a number of things I should have known better than to do when I was 16, and some that I did even though I should have known better.

Interestingly, none of them resulted in me having a large hole in my chest and being dead.

What exactly was your point?

This kid deserves to be dead? Because he did something he should have known better than to do?

Nice to know we have such experts in child psychology and neurology hereabouts. We already knew what caring, compassionate human beings were here.

Hahahah hah.

[bossy22]

15. Whats my point

my point is that it takes away some of the sympathy i have for the individual- at 16 you are almost an adult- hell in most states (and we are talking about the US) he can legally drive a car...to horse around with a gun is just still and stupid- especially for a 16 year old.

I don't have to be an expert in child psychology to have an idea on how a 16 year old should think

Sometime the victim shares some of the blame- and this time he does...the grandfather should have not stored his firearm loaded but horsing around with it is just plain stupid- its like playing chicken with cars on the interstate (something like this actually happened in my town- kids were playing chicken with cars on the Long Island Expressway and ended up getting slammed by an 18 wheeler)

If this young man had used 1/10th of his brain he probably would have been alive

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[iverglas]

18. well, I suppose one could say

which is the only thing you are really useful for

that at least I'm useful for something. Even if it's just a straw effigy of me built up out of all the things you folks really, really wish the people you hate were, but aren't.

[bossy22]

20. I don't think anyone hates you on this board

hate would require way too much energy, its never worth it to hate someone for disagreeing with you

[Tejas]

21. Nope, the cries for attention do get

kind of old though. Going to the extent of spinning poster's statements such as Bossy's just to get a rise is old.

[gorfle]

36. Lots of stupid things lead to death, Iverglas.

I'm not sure what your point is. That people can do other stupid things besides play with guns and not die? Well there are lots of stupid things that kids do and die. My friend's 18 year old son decided it would be fun to try the terminal cancer patient's pain medication (heroin?) at a friend's house. He never woke up. Some kids think it's fun to go drag-racing or drunk driving.

Life's tough. It's tougher when you're stupid.

[benEzra]

26. ...and in benEzra's house, several guns sat peacefully in a safe for another week

and didn't kill anyone, didn't threaten to kill anyone, didn't go off by accident, and didn't make anyone except Paul Helmke cry.



In other news, several hundred thousand people once again went shooting this week and didn't harm anybody, and ~80 million gun owners, 35 to 40 percent of U.S. households, and a quarter to a third of U.S. Dems and indies managed to survive another week with guns in the home. OMG.

[Callisto32]

27. Where to begin

Alright, Zanne. First, I disagree with your point of view and I intend to refute your assertions; implied or otherwise. Second, I have been raised around firearms and am proficient in their use, maintainence, and basic repair. Ready? Let us begin.

Basic Format
Incident: 1.FL: A 13-year-old boy, Bryce Williams, was home with six other family members when Terry Joan Wilson-Poulk, 45, who the teen called his stepmom, picked up a handgun from under the chair where the boy was sitting; the .22-caliber semi-automatic pistol went off, striking Williams in the left side of the head.

Response: No, the gun did not "go off," Ms. Wilson-Poulk had we we know as an "ND" Negligent Discharge. She failed to abide by the basic rules of safe firearms handling, and the consequences were horrendous. Those rules are redundant, and if any two are being followed, this kind of thing has an utterly minuscule chance of occurring. If you are not familiar with the rules of firearms safety, just search around the net. They are everywhere.

2.CT: Joseph P. Simonelli, 60, of East Hampton was arrested after a 9-year-old was shot in the neck when the boy got access to the weapon at a local home.

This is gross negligence, pure and simple, same as the above. However here an unsecured weapon was allowed to fall into the hands of an untrained person, who happens to be a child who apparently was never taught what to do when a firearm is encountered. So: In fact, this is the result of a string of episodes of gross negligence, and those involved should be prosecuted for whatever laws were violated. (This also applies to the first example.)

3.OK: Domestic problems between a man and a recently estranged girlfriend led Arlondoe Carl Jones, 36, to shoot and kill Doris Jean Potts, 40, with a .12 gauge shotgun before ending his own life.

Where I come from we call this murder, it is already illegal, no matter how it is perpetrated.

4.IN: Stephen J. Johnson calmly reported in a 911 call a murder-suicide had taken place and then he killed himself. Johnson, 58, killed his wife, Renee G. Johnson, 49, and his daughter, Rebecca J. Johnson, 14.

See immediately preceding response.

5.MA: Sobbing mother is arraigned in 8-year-old boy's accidental shooting death.

I presume she is the one who was responsible for the death. If not, there is far too little information upon which to draw a conclusion. In the event that my assumption is correct, please see response to 1.

6.NE: The autopsy on Nicholas Marshalek, 16, said the cause of death was an accidental gunshot wound to the chest. Deputies believe that the rifle. owned by his grandfather, had accidentally been stored loaded. Three children were engaged in horseplay with the rifle when it discharged.

HOLY COW. I don't even know where to begin with this one. Allowing people who are obviously not mature/responsible enough to be handling firearms (horseplay!? with a weapon??!!) access to it, again the problem is negligence. All in the chain of custody of that rifle should have racked the action, visually and tactilely verified that the chamber was/is clear....and then done it again.

7.CO: Aurora police are looking for a second suspect in the robbery of a Party City store, after an officer shot another suspect. Officers surprised the suspects as they were coming out of the business, and that one suspect had taken a hostage and appeared to have a gun.

Criminals engaging in criminal activity...I'm not sure what citing this is intended to accomplish.

8.PA: Jason McMurren, now 17, was charged as an adult with rape in the Nov. 29, 2006, robbery in which three men ended up in a different apartment from one they initially targeted. McMurren, then 15, and two adults barged into the apartment with the intent to commit a robbery. The woman, who was home alone, said McMurren held her down and raped her at gunpoint.

See comment immediately above

9.CA: Officer Shot in Chest During Glendale Shooting Recovering.

See 7,8

10. AND THE GUN CULTURE LIVES ON>

Many of these are thug culture, not gun culture. The others are examples of gross negligence, which (it would seem) is not a hallmark of the gun culture. If it were, many MANY ND's with horrible consequences would occur.

11.In case you did not notice, this is DU, this is for DEMOCRATS, not Republicans, you can take that poster over to "Freak Republic" or something...Keep that crap out of here.

Whoops. Sorry, didn't realize this was a capital D democratic site...I'm a Libertarian, but I hope you will welcome me and my comments. I just found out about this place today. :D

12.33. For the love of God, look up the word "analogy"...
The right-wingers didn't when they compared the number of American fatalities in Iraq to the number of automobile accidents in this country. Y'know what? That made them sound ignorant; like people who obviously never took the analogy-laden SAT's.
If you don't understand the basic concept of analogy, don't use it. It makes you sound the same way the right-wingers did.
It also just shows how sorry your excuses are for gun deaths in this country. You'll never be able to minimalize the tragedies caused by gun deaths by accident, domestic violence, rage, insanity or illegal activities. It's sad that you keep trying.

From the outset, this appears to be an ad hominem attack upon somebody else's argument. As such, it is not a logically acceptable argument, and may make it difficult for you to have future credibility in debates/discussions of this nature. This is not meant to be an attack on you, personally, but rather a request that you keep your arguments logically sound in future as it will benefit all involved; especially you.

13.Do you UNDERSTAND now?

See above

14.Also, your analogy to alcohol is false. Alcohol and guns have completely different uses. So do cars. I suggest you get your dictionary and look up "analogy".

I take this to mean you find firearms to have no legitimate, socially acceptable uses. I suggest you consider the vast array of sports and games (which have VERY low rates of accident/injury involved in them, because of HEAVY emphasis on safety due to the use of live weapons) which are played using firearms. These range from pure bullseye shooting, to things such as trap/skeet and informal plinking with your friends/family out in the old field.
Also, please note that sports are combat made civilized, at their cores. Suggesting that one such sport is illegitimate because it uses the ACTUAL weapons of war as opposed the watered down ones (as in fencing or lacrosse) seems to be to be a tenuous string upon which to stand.

15.iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Apr-06-08 12:54 AM
Response to Reply #10
if ...
but if you want to put 2 things into a category that you can claim have no benefit to society
If wishes were horses ... well, I assume there are a few people who'd be wishing that someone actually wanted to put 2 things into a category that they could claim had no benefit to society ... or that anyone had put even 1 thing into that category ...
You must have been reading some other discussion board in some other universe, I'm afraid. The one where everything is made of straw.

iverglas, I have been on this forum for about 30 minutes now, and I have already seen you involved in MANY ad hominem attacks. As such, I feel that it would best benefit all (regardless of your true intentions) to regard you as "trolling" until you begin making real arguments, as opposed to simply looking for clever ways to insinuate that others are stupid. In the event that you respond to this I will show you that this is based upon deductive reasoning.

1. iverglas often likes to paint people he disagrees with as stupid or ignorant
2. This is an ad hominem attack
3. Ad Hominem attacks are not logically relevent
Therefore: iverglas's arguments often carry no logical weight and can therefore be disregarded when engaging in legitimate argument.

The conclusion necessarily follows from the premises, just in case you were wondering. Because of this, I will disregard any further comments by iverglas

16.Thoughts and Prayers to the families of the lost.
I hope the criminals who committed some of these acts are prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
David

David, I concur wholeheartedly

17.iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Apr-06-08 01:07 AM
Response to Reply #24
26. I am drowning in crocodile tears
I'm sorry for whatever has you so worked up
And I am fed to the fucking nose with your obnoxious, stupid commentary about my psyche.
But hey, I'm sorry for whatever prompts you to make obnoxious, stupid comments about people you know nothing about. And I do know what it is that prompts you to do that.

I lied, and I apologize. But this, just wow. iverglas, perhaps some of us are capable of actually feeling compassion at the hearing of some else's loss and hardship. If you cannot, that is okay, but don't suggest that others cannot. As for your psyche, you seem to enjoy getting people worked up a great deal and that my be a sign of serious, underlying problems. It may be best for you to consult a professional on the matter.

18. Okay I'm done.

[bossy22]

28. welcome to DU

good first post

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[iverglas]

41. that's really about enough

Just for reference, Iverglas, is a female from Canada

A female anything in particular?

Something about the word WOMAN just seems to bother you, does it?

who has been a victim of a horrific crime. Not that any of that excuses her behavior most of the time.

Okey dokey. Next time I'm wanting you to excuse my behaviour, I'll see whether I can come up with a good reason. Not that I'll ever want you to excuse my behaviour, and not that I or anyone has ever suggested that any behaviour of mine has anything to do with having been a victim of crime.

So what should I imagine excuses, or doesn't excuse, yours?

[SteveM]

32. From a computer illiterate, I thank you for debunking the usual "gunguy" agitprop.

[zanne]

38. I have to interrupt your lecture to ask you something, Callisto...

Why can't you provide a profile? What are you hiding?

[iverglas]

40. oh dear, you seem to have been talking to me

Best way to do that is to reply to a post I have written.

Response: No, the gun did not "go off," Ms. Wilson-Poulk had we we know as an "ND" Negligent Discharge. She failed to abide by the basic rules of safe firearms handling, and the consequences were horrendous.

Uh Huh. So if a child is killed by an "ND", does s/he get to come back to life if someone wags a finger at the person guilty of the "ND"? No? So the child cares about this fine distinction ... why? And the child's other family and friends care about this fine distinction ... why?

What penalties are there for failing to abide by these rules? Is Ms. Wilson-Poulk being brought up on charges under them? In what forum? What penalty is she likely to receive?

What?? There are no penalties? You mean, these rules are kind of like "thou shalt not slurp when thou eatest thy soup"? Huh! Right-thinking people everywhere must tremble in their boots at the thought of being caught engaging in negligent handling of firearms. They will surely be shunned by polite society as a result, no less than if they had slurped their soup.

WHO THE FUCK CARES what the basic rules of safe firearms handling are, if they are broken with such regularity with the consequence that children and other things end up DEAD or wounded?

However here an unsecured weapon was allowed to fall into the hands of an untrained person, who happens to be a child who apparently was never taught what to do when a firearm is encountered. So: In fact, this is the result of a string of episodes of gross negligence, and those involved should be prosecuted for whatever laws were violated.

So, what laws would they be?

You may need to go back to the top and repeat.

3.OK: Domestic problems between a man and a recently estranged girlfriend led Arlondoe Carl Jones, 36, to shoot and kill Doris Jean Potts, 40, with a .12 gauge shotgun before ending his own life.
Where I come from we call this murder, it is already illegal, no matter how it is perpetrated.

Ah! So when you say that magic word, does the dead person come back to life? I didn't think so.

When I see slugs eating my lilies, I don't say "where I come from we call those slugs". I think of ways to prevent the slugs from eating my lilies next year. I might even have done something to prevent the slugs from eating my lilies this year. Dead lilies aren't much use to me, no matter how accurately I can point the finger at the authors of their demise.


You can assume I've said much the same thing about the rest of the drivel in that element of your post.


Whoops. Sorry, didn't realize this was a capital D democratic site...I'm a Libertarian, but I hope you will welcome me and my comments. I just found out about this place today.

Gee, I wonder where. Mention Oleg Volk here, and the fan club flocks.

I take this to mean you find firearms to have no legitimate, socially acceptable uses.

I take you to be someone who will fit right in around here. Why take something to mean what it obviously means, when you can pretend to take it for something else?

iverglas, I have been on this forum for about 30 minutes now, and I have already seen you involved in MANY ad hominem attacks.

Okay, once you've figured out what an analogy is, you could try looking up "ad hominem argument". (Myself, I refer to it as ad locutorem argument, since it is argument against the speaker, and the speaker's sex is generally irrelevant .. unless that's the nature of the particular ad locutorem argument ...) It doesn't mean "insult". Not that anything you quoted me saying even fell into that category.

As such, I feel that it would best benefit all (regardless of your true intentions) to regard you as "trolling" until you begin making real arguments, as opposed to simply looking for clever ways to insinuate that others are stupid.

My dear fellow, I don't actually have to look at all. They're generally staring me in the face: the clever way to demonstrate that someone else is stupid being to repeat his/her words.

You regard me as anything you like. How anyone who wanders on over here from roadrage.volk regards me really doesn't concern me.

1. iverglas often likes to paint people he disagrees with as stupid or ignorant
<*> 2. This is an ad hominem attack
3. Ad Hominem attacks are not logically relevent
Therefore: iverglas's arguments often carry no logical weight and can therefore be disregarded when engaging in legitimate argument.

<* Ha HA! Were truer words ever spoken??!>

1. People who say astoundingly stupid things are often astoundingly stupid.
2. On the other hand, they are often marvellously evil, and choosing merely to pretend to be astoundingly stupid.
3. It is generally difficult to respond to something astoundingly stupid without making it plain that the thing being responded to is astoundingly stupid.
4. But hey, smart people can say astoundingly stupid things, and astoundingly stupid people can say things that make sense, and marvellously evil people can too. It usually takes a few observations to decide just what we're looking at. And if one doesn't want to waste one's time responding to the loony stuff flung around by astoundingly stupid people, or the vicious stuff flung around by marvellously evil people, well really, one owes them an explanation.
Therefore: who gives a fuck?

I'm having a déjà vu moment. I just know this conversation has been had before.

Because of this, I will disregard any further comments by iverglas

Oh DAMN! If I'd bothered to read through your post first, just look at the time I would have saved myself! But I need the finger exercise.

Oh damn damn. You lied. You say.

But this, just wow. iverglas, perhaps some of us are capable of actually feeling compassion at the hearing of some else's loss and hardship. If you cannot, that is okay, but don't suggest that others cannot.

Hahahahaha! You're going to be good fun. So here you're saying that someone who says to me:

I'm sorry for whatever has you so worked up

is demonstrating compassion, and not indulging in a little ignorant, obnoxious personal commentary. Have I got that right?

Okay now, which category does that one fall into ...?

But hmm, that is not actually what you seem to be saying:

As for your psyche, you seem to enjoy getting people worked up a great deal and that my be a sign of serious, underlying problems.

My it? Oh dear. Do you take Ontario Health Insurance Plan cards? Otherwise, you know, I'm just so underemployed that I'll never be able to pay you for your valuable, expert evaluation, and the plan of treatment you would hopefully be prescribing for my serious, underlying problems.

It may be best for you to consult a professional on the matter.

No, no, I want you. Your insight is unparalleled. You leave me gasping ... with your insight, of course. Pretend I'm not rolling around on the floor.

18. Okay I'm done.

Well, you may have spoken a little soon, but I'm willing to believe you can predict the future.

[Spoonman]

35. GUNGUYS?

What a bunch of jack-offs!

They have to fill there shit trough with stories from 2006, just to fluff it up.

They fail to look at ANY stories where a firearm SAVED or PROTECTED a life. (Oh that never happens :sarcasm:)

They proclaim to be sympathetic toward the death of people (firearms related), but yet have ZERO respect for anyones else's death.

I don't care who the person was (excluding rapists, child molesters and murderers), if you take pleasure or opportunity from anyones passing, you are a complete piece of shit!

I don't EVER take pleasure from anyones passing (excluding rapists, child molesters and murderers), even those I adamantly disagree with or dislike.

I have seen it quite often here on DU when a person dies, people revel in their passing. Of course everyone wants to be a part of a political party that does that! (Fucking idiots!)

Your buddies over at gunguys.com are a real source of inspiration for all humanity when they publish shit like this;

"Gun Guys doesn’t speak ill of the dead."

Really? I think not.

"Heston stepped down as the chief shill for the NRA a few years back"

"while Heston served the NRA, our country was not served well."


http://www.gunguys.com/?p=2937


Yea they are a real class act and a role model for your cause. (If your cause is to look like dipshits!)


AND THE IGNORANCE OF THE ANTI-GUN CULTURE LIVES ON> (thanks for showing us)

[zanne]

37. And what are your gun websites, pray tell?

I'm sure you go to more than one. If there's anything crazier than "endtime" websites, it's gun websites. Some of those people never use words longer than two syllables. I'm just so surprised you don't like gunguys.com. DUH.

[iverglas]

39. I love it when somebody tells me what the rules are

I don't care who the person was (excluding rapists, child molesters and murderers), if you take pleasure or opportunity from anyones passing, you are a complete piece of shit!

Especially when we get to think about rape again. That's always a bonus.

So as long as we're only dancing on the graves of people YOU happen to hate, we're cool.

Good to know.