Just had my Liberal life threatened/ what do you trust?

[shatoga]

KKK deep south rightwingers just informed my life isn't worth squat.

I reply that I'm a good marksman and my neighbors also are armed to the teeth.

Beside me right now is a KBI 9mm Brownining Hi Power clone,
with interchangeable parts.

Any klansman is welcome to judge the bullets from my 30 round clips
versus his cowardly clavern leader's arsenal.

I'll bet my courage and that of my neighbors (whom I 've also armed) is superior to the cowards of the Klan.

I've been under fire many times, so far.
(More times than while serving in the military during Vietnam)

Cowardly klansmen were often the agressors.

I still have their' guns in my collection.

[jefff]

1. Get out of there!

Where are you? What was going on? Just get out of there till things cool down (or at least the KKK gets overconfident and sloppy).

[Rowdyboy]

2. Shatoga, you're from around Hattiesburg, right...?

You'll be fine. You grew up dealing with more serious shit than this (I'm from Laurel, brother, I know). Screw these assholes...

[shatoga]

5. from the southwest and used to armed assholes

Just not used to armed assholes who are Deputy Sheriffs.

I was taken out west before my teens and dealt with Manson and such before coming back into America's sewer-
the deep south.

My KKK uncle was scum to me, but his kkk bros (if enough of them get togather) are able to kill of fdecent people.

One of them will always back down if confronted.
they are cowards.


If I fail to confront the local Alabama/Mississippi Klan...
and survive:
Let my every word online be taken as God's honest truth.

Klan idiots cannot comprehend the power of truth.

If they had to deal with the truth that we are all God's children...
they might have to deal with the fact that we are all cousins.

Each and every one of us related to each other.

[Rowdyboy]

8. I'm also worried about you...

The people you hate are evil and pretty much have no moral base. Please don't let them define your life. You and your family deserve better.

[madmax]

3. I'm worried for you - keep the phone close by too

[bluestateguy]

4. Nothing scares a Freeper more than an armed Leftist

Hope all you gun grabbers are paying attention from the relative comfort of your suburban hamlets and yuppie apartment complexes.

[Romulus]

14. that 's a good one

"from the relative comfort of your suburban hamlets and yuppie apartment complexes."

That sums it up.

I was talking to this guy from work who was stalked by some nut job 15 blocks at night straight into his yuppie apartment building in the "nice" part of DC. When I told him why I wouldn't move to DC - because their stupid handgun ban gives residents no choice but to endure crap like he did - he thought I was nuts. This from the guy who is too scared to go home during "normal" commuting hours because he is afraid the wacko guy who followed him home might be waiting to ambush him.

[Rocinante]

6. I've had some

experience with these assholes and how. I finally called the FBI and they took care of the pissants real quicklike. 'Course that was way before Ashcroft.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

7. Check your inbox n/t

[shatoga]

9. I don't trust the cops- some of them are klan

I trust only my own firepower
and my neighbors who also hate the klan are watching my house.
(with fingers on the trigger)

I've been up front with the local klan.

My neighbors respect my videocams but respect even more the guns I've helped them buy.


My attitude:
Decent people should be armed to resist the rightwing police state.

The deep south has become a rightwing police state.

Those few like me, who resist, die off.

Don't let my words die off too.

search terms:
"Web of Deceit"
"the N word"
"Delusional George Walter Mitty Bush"

Please don't let the truth die alongside my corpse!


That's how the klan has held back the south for one hundred fifty years.

Truth is the best arguement against bush lies.

[Set]

10. Give'em hell...

or send them there in a legally justifiable manner.

Good luck.

[shatoga]

11. Canadian surplus FMJ 9mm

Neighbor across the street is loaded with Russian Wolf 9mm.

I stood by him when a truckload of klan tried to keep hin out of our
neighborhood.

He tells me he will not sleep while klan threatens me.

We stand together/ black and white, against the klan.

Cops will never protect us real people.

They only protect their own.


An armed citizen is likely to survive...
an unarmed citizen is a crime statistic.


Klan has murdered many citizens who were unable to fight back.

Citizens must protect themselves or die!

America is not now nor has ever been a free country!

The police state is "free" only to those armed and able to resist!

Same as it ever was!

[leftyandproud]

12. thank you thank you thank you

:)

[The Backlash Cometh]

13. Have you thought about contacting the media outside of your locale?

Certainly someone who works for a paper can contact you through Inbox and get an interview?

It's no surprise that the KKK has infiltrated the police force. That was already reported in a Georgia paper. The only thing yet to report is how it's affecting members of the public, such as yourself, and what Ashcroft plans to do about these domestic terrorists.

[jody]

15. Shatoga, you run with the Big Dogs, not a pack of Chihuahuas. Those

who fail to understand your situation shiver and shake at their own shadows. Your actions defend not only you and yours, but other citizens in the commnity.

If Chihuahuas had led America, our country would be a minor footnote in history.


AND DAMM PROUD OF IT!

[shatoga]

17. thanks Jody

Friends used to say
"Most peoples' dogs get like their owners.
you became like one of your wolves."

I always took it as a complement.
As I took your kind remarks.

And those of the other supportive posters here.

My button making machine will soon turn out dozens of new buttons thanks to your sharing of those wonderful designs.

Grateful for the inspiration!

Probably going to make up a few T-shirt transfers also.

Re the 'big dogs' comment.
Thanks, but I raised and trained wolves in my younger days.

They never fought dogs.
Wolves eat dogs that annoy them.

[shatoga]

16. thanks folks/ today a self described Klansman visited me

He told me he would be back tonight.


During our 'friendly' discussion,

He mentioned a couple of his buddies in the local PD could run my plate and list any other residence I might have.
("Fraternity brothers" Like in Kappa Kappa Kappa)

Next door neighbor came over and avowed "We in this neighborhood stand together."

"Friendly visit" ended.

Maybe my visitor's buddies ran my neighbor's plate.

About an hour later, loud sound of someone beating on my neighbor's door, followed by yelling from my neighbor's house.
Then two squad cars pulled up.
One drove off with him in handcuffs.

Local PD removed the guy who'd vowed to stand by me!


Not likely to sleep tonight.

Mr. Browning & I will sit nearby and watch the house.

If only these 30rd reload clips didn't poke me at every step.

BTW:
Thanks to CCW, I can legally walk around carrying the only defense available. (when cops are among the bad guys)

Watching security cams as I type this.

Don't expect any visit until the bars close.
They got to drink lots of liquid courage before ganging up on someone.

Was it poet Robert Browning who wrote about not going quietly into that good night?

Thanks for online support y'all.

If today's visitor was right;
and I lose the confrontation he promised me.
Remember my words.

You must protect yourself!
The cops only show up to draw chalklines around the bodies.

Of course if they ran my plate,
They may decide to just leave me alone.

Regulars to the gun dungeon will understand.

[Set]

18. Let us know...

why they took your neighbor away. He may be able to sue them if it was a false arrest.

Also, I hope you've got more goodies there with you than just a browning handgun. Never, EVER underestimate the value of a nice semi-auto rifle with a stack of loaded high-capacity magazines... And remember....FRONT SIGHT!!!!

[shatoga]

19. we discussed the merits

Actually we had enough guns to invade Cuba.

My friend and (black) neighbor and myself discussed the merits of our 12gauge pumps vs/ my AKs and SKSs.

All within ready reach.

We both choose mainstay 9mm Brownings, as we sat and watched a car and truck cruise slowly into the street,
(those 30 round clips are reassuringly fast reliable reloads
Armor piercing FMJ and hollowpoints mixed in magazines)

The squeal of tires as they drove away fast, after he stood up in plain sight.
(and called attention to our neighborhood watch)

Maybe they'll come back.
But this time/ despite "I'll be back tonight." warning or threat by self described klansman:

No cross burning.

No confrontation.

complaints/questions:

Why don't the 30 and 40 round magazines of my AKs and SKSs interchange?

Why did my neighbor choose to stand/sit by me?
We are both Americans and neighbors is why.
Same reason I stood by him when he first moved into my neighborhood.



That we both hate the Klan is secondary.

Why did a total stranger stand in my yard and claim to be a local klansman?
Why was my neighbor hauled away?

Don't know yet.

Plan to wait awhile before disarming though.

Maybe until the last surviving klansman is either dead or in prison.

Including those with badges.

Whom will police protect?
In the deep south, we must protect ourselves, cause cops are sometimes the bad guys.

[The Backlash Cometh]

20. Keep posting.

We want to make sure you make it through the weekend. I have to believe that if the FBI are worth a damn, someone would be looking into you police district by now.

[jody]

21. My retired FBI friend says for under 25 yds, a 12 Ga with OO buck

is the absolutely best. The Mossberg 590 with 8 shot magazine is outstanding for home defense.

The situation you descibe is one where if you turn away, they will just intimidate those who are less prepared than you and your friend. Your stedfast resolve benefits the entire community.

I don't see how gun-grabbers can ignore that fact which has played out time and time again over history. Unless one stands for what they believe is right, and in this case the basic freedoms protected by our Constitution, that person will eventually become a slave to those who intimidate with force.

[Name removed]

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[Set]

23. great advice...

"just kill all of them, even if your life is not in immediate danger."

If he did that, he's guaranteed to go to jail. Obey the law...it'll let you do what you want, if you're careful.

[SyracuseDemocrat]

24. can't you tell a joke?

jesus

[Hielo]

25. Try another way.

People, this is not the way!

Put down those totems of distilled violence. There is no need for them anymore. You say you want to do harm to a fellow person, instead love that person. Feel their needs as if they were your own. Find the compromise where that person is completed as a human, and you to will be completed.

Imagine if you did, happiness and love would follow. Free yourself form the fear of happiness. Free yourself from the fear of love. THe most powerful force in the universe is love and it will support you through the dark moments of fear.

Rage not against your fellow person, rage agains tthat persons lack of love. Feel the pain that drove the person to this time. Obliviate that pain with your love.

You can do no better thing in this world.

Visualize it and love that person.

[Name removed]

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[Muddleoftheroad]

36. WTF

What world do YOU live in?

[Name removed]

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[acerbic]

28. What a "pro-RKBA" love fest...

...complete with "gun grabbers", "jody"'s personal totem animal chihuahua etc., celebrating their hero who is holed up in his house attacked by KKK and their allies the police, with nothing but his guns for protection, not trying to contact anyone but the gun nuts on this board, not any media, not any outside law enforcement (did Dumbya really replace them ALL on ALL levels with AssKKKrofts?), not the Southern Poverty Law Center, NOBODY. Just the Man and his Guns... :eyes:
Something in this story could make one :think:...

[Set]

29. a friend of mine...

lives in an area recently hit by a tornado (in the past 48 hours). They have no regular power, and there's a fair bit of looting going on. He's had people try to steal his generator and a couple of his vehicles. Would you care to wager a guess as to why the thieves were unsucessful?

BTW, I just got back from making an "ammo run" to him...2k rounds in various calibers...and I hope he uses it well.

[jody]

30. Interesting, a friend of mine told me recently his church has been robbed

so often, that the members had to set up a nightly voluntary partrol to protect church property. Law enforcement did not have the personnel to provide adequate coverage. Members of the patrol carried guns as a precaution.

The patrol worked.

[Hielo]

31. The shame!

Why hurt people who are not as fortunate as your friend? Shouldn't he be trying to help all those people who need what he have, instead of trying to murder them?

If he shared what he has, they would leave peaceably, and he would not have to use his murdering guns.

[Set]

32. He has enough...

for himself, and his immediate neighbors. He's sharing with them. The goblins coming around aren't his immediate neighbors. If he shared with the folks trying to steal his stuff, not only would he be without, but his neighbors would be, too. He hasn't had to kill anybody, they flee when he fires warning shots.

If the goblins came to him and asked for help in the daylight, I'm sure he'd do whatever he could. Trying to steal his stuff in the middle of the night is the WRONG way to go about asking for help.

Theft is theft. It's pretty damned simple.

[acerbic]

33. What exactly has that to do with this?

"Shatoga" sees these Klan member cops take away his neighbor and does nothing but sits there with his guns. Can you spot anything wrong with the picture in any sense? Anything at all...?

[Set]

34. what would you suggest he do...

open fire on the cops???

[acerbic]

35. GOTO post #28 and read it again for a list of what he could do

...but is not doing.

[Set]

37. uh huh....

and doing ANY of those things would do what, exactly, to protect him from immediate physical harm? Certain actions you describe would likely escalate the threat of violence against shatoga, wouldn't they?

[acerbic]

38. Aha, an exercise in obtuseness, I see...

and doing ANY of those things would do what, exactly, to protect him from immediate physical harm?

...but you were asking what he could do as reply to my question:

"Shatoga" sees these Klan member cops take away his neighbor and does nothing but sits there with his guns. Can you spot anything wrong with the picture in any sense? Anything at all...?

Instead of spinning and obfuscating furiously, you could answer that after thinking about it for a while. One possible answer would be "no, there's nothing wrong with it"...

[shatoga]

41. Never resist arrest- even bad cops can SWAT you down

It only makes things worse.

Even a false arrest should be resisted by hiring a good lawyer.

That big street gang called "the law" will just call in more and more buddies until they win.

Too many Americans "commit suicide" when captured by police.

I face reality.

A cousin who is a deputy, related how a suspect had "shot hisself three times in the head with a double-barrel shotgun."
I was five years old when I witnessed that conversation at a family gathering.

That cops kill people is shown on the evening news almost every day.

My goal any time people start getting upset is to get them all disarmed before cops arrive.

A man in New Orleans was shot by cops who were close enough to see he was carrying a cell-phone. They all swore it looked like a gun.
when I lived in Houston, a deaf mute was shot for pulling out a pocket Bible when cops demanded he identify himsself.
He had his ID card in the Bible as a bookmark.
The cop in front who saw him reach, maybe;
but the cop behind saw it was a pocket Bible and still shot the man dead.

The only thing different about Rodney King was that someone videotaped the beating cops often administer to unarmed citizens.

Rookie cops are told to get a "throwaway" and how to use it:
"Push the suspect's fingers against the trigger and grip;
then toss the gun into the pool of blood.

Acerbic has yet to make a less rational argument than advocating armed resistance to cops.

Hey acerbic!
go to Iraq.
Put on a burnoose and a turban, hold an AK and flip a bird to a Marine.


You might survive that,
but you will not survive waving guns at cops in Amerika!

[shatoga]

40. Different tale from here

>"a friend of mine..."
Posted by Set
lives in an area recently hit by a tornado (in the past 48 hours). They have no regular power, and there's a fair bit of looting going on. He's had people try to steal his generator and a couple of his vehicles. Would you care to wager a guess as to why the thieves were unsucessful?<

During last fall's back to back floods after TS Isadore,
I abondoned my ground floor and sat on the front upstairs porch watching the normally 150' wide river engulf houses for a quarter mile on my side.


I used a videocam to record anyone entering or leaving the area.
I'd rather be a good witness for the prosecution than a vigalante.

Just my own beliefs that lives are more important than property.
My 'companion' 'Mr. Browning' was never displayed nor used, because no life was threatened.
(property can be replaced/ video often makes for a quick conviction)


Of course, local news shows that others' feel differently;
The last two homeowners who shot and killed fleeing burglars hereabouts, were not charged.

[shatoga]

42. which of acerbic's ideas will keep someone alive till help arrives?

Answer:

>not any media, not any outside law enforcement ...not the Southern Poverty Law Center,<

Not a single one!

I'm one of those people who called Jesse Jackson to Mississippi,
after a young black teen was found hanging from a tree in his parents' front yard.
He had last been seen with a white teen-age girl, whose uncle was a local Deputy.

No footprints in the flowerbed around that tree.
(He must have flown there without ever touching the ground.)

No reason to hang himself.
He was excited about being accepted to a good college.

so happy he wanted to share the good news with his girlfriend.
(The white girl whose uncle was a local deputy)

Sheriff's Department decided it was a 'suicide'
(any black boy dating a white girl in the deep south is committing suicide)


Only Jesse Jackson pushed for an investigation;
>not any media, not any outside law enforcement<


Anyone unfamiliar with the deep south should learn to look at pictures of southerners cith both eyes open:

The "gang sign"
Every picture of my southern cop relatives shows that
'southern' stance:
thumbs hooked in (pants, vest or bib overalls) pockets,
3 fingers outstretched (small finger folded)
Stands for KKK (as in Council of Concervative Citizens)

Try it.
It's not a natural position.



Who're you gonna call?
When Bush appointments from the south
(US Attorneys, Judges, etc)
are also members of Kappa Kappa Kappa?
And the Senators frequent CCC meetings?

[op6203]

44. Thumbs hooked in pants?

I've never heard of that. I put my thumbs in my jeans pockets sometimes - because jean pockets are sometimes too tight to cram my whole hand in. I hope nobody thinks I'm flashing a Klan sign.

"Cops will never protect us real people. They only protect their own."
Please don't lump ALL cops into that category.

"Rookie cops are told to get a 'throwaway' and how to use it: "Push the suspect's fingers against the trigger and grip; then toss the gun into the pool of blood."
Are you for real? Been watching too much of "The Shield"? Where exactly did you hear this? Are you just referring to your county/town or are you referring to rookies at all departments?

I started reading this thread thinking - oh man, this guy is in a tough spot - but after reading on, I'm wondering if you're working out a movie script or book idea (if not, I apologize). I'm also thinking acerbic is making sense (I think hell just froze over).

Just so y'all know - I'm from the South and am very PRO-gun.
OP

[acerbic]

46. Tee-hee...

I'm also thinking acerbic is making sense (I think hell just froze over).

Thanks. :evilgrin:

[shatoga]

47. specific replies to specific comments

Posted by op6203
>"Rookie cops are told to get a 'throwaway' and how to use it:
Where exactly did you hear this?<
My reply:
No personal information given over the net.
I was then an Academy trained Police Reserve riding along with a veteran cop in a two man unit.
Early 1970's.


Posted by op6203
>"Cops will never protect us real people. They only protect their own."
Please don't lump ALL cops into that category.<
My reply:
Of course you are correct.
Even LA's worse scandel involved only a few dozen criminals with badges among thousands of honest cops.


Columbine gave me an attitude.
SWAT in body armor hiding behind cars in the parking lot while shots rang inside the building.

Regards thumbs hooked in "pockets":
folding the little finger under, totally out of sight makes it a
"gang sign" 3 fingers for CCC or KKK
Hook your thumbs;
stnad in front of a mirror;
fold that little finger out of sight;
modify grip until those 3 fingers outstretched are prominently displayed.

Like a Mason's handshake.
Looks ordinary until you're aware of and notice the specifics.
That's what makes it a good gang sign.


Posted by op6203
>thinking acerbic is making sense (I think hell just froze over).<
My reply:
If ever I think acerbic is making sense,
I'll make an appointment with a shrink.

Posted by op6203
>I'm wondering if you're working out a movie script or book idea<
Point of information: Movie "Mississippi burning" was based on a true story.

My reply:
That would be grounds for congratulation to acerbic
for successfully sowing the seeds of doubt.

He & I've never yet agreed on any topic.
Nothing personal intended, and no insult towards anyone.
For some reason (not connected to this topic)
I keep thinking of that line from Terminator:
"It's what he does. It's all he does."
Nothing personal intended, and no insult towards anyone.

[happyslug]

39. See a lawyer

My first piece of Advice is to see a lawyer and have him explain to you your states rules on Self Defense. AND MAKE SURE HE LOOKS INTO ANY SPECIAL RULES AS TO POLICE.

For example my home state of Pennsylvania is a “Retreat to the Wall” Doctrine Self Defense state. What that means in Pennsylvania YOU must back off from any attack (if possible). You can NOT stand your ground, you MUST leave rather than fight. Again I do not know what your state rule on that part of Self Defense, check with your local lawyer he will inform you. How the doctrine is used also differs from state to state, for example Pennsylvania says you have NOT duty to retreat form your home, but some other states have ruled that if you can leave your home you must do so if threatened. Please note one of the “Special Rules” for Police in Pennsylvania is that Police have NO duty to Retreat. Any body the police act against MUST retreat but NOT Police Officers.

Another rule in Pennsylvania is that you MUST obey any police officer even if he tells you to break the law UNLESS the order will cause death or serious bodily injury. The Rules defer from state to state so have your local lawyer tell you what is the law.

Second get yourself some video cameras (and later Still Cameras to back up the Video Cameras). In most states YOU have to prove what you did is Self defense. It is a POSITIVE Defense NOT a negative defense. What I mean by "Positive Defense" is that YOU must admit you killed someone and than PROVE it was Self Defense. If the jury or Judge does not believe you, you are guilty of Murder.

Thus you have to SHOW self defense. A Video Camera will help you in that by showing WHAT the police were doing just before you shot them. Your neighbor should also have one. I would suggest at least two, one aimed at your front door, the second on your rifle (Or what ever weapon you decide to defend yourself with, it is just easier to mount a small video camera on a rifle or shotgun than a handgun).

Also check your state's wire tape law. For example in Pennsylvania to AUDIO tape ANYONE without that person's knowledge is a violation of the Wire Tap act. i.e. If you AUDIO tape someone (without that person's knowledge) you might be subject to arrest just for the taping (You do NOT want to give the Officers involve any justification to arrest you and than once you under arrest to bait you).

NOTE the Pennsylvania law only address AUDIO taping, video taping has been ruled NOT to come under it, but check with your local attorney to see WHAT is the local rule in your area (For example in Pennsylvania if you have VERY VISIBLE signs that you are taping and tell the officer you are taping You are PROBABLY covered by the implied consent law of the Wire Tape Act that says you can tape if you have everyone's permission. Since the Police would be on your property and signs exist that you are taping you should be covered for any audio taping, but check with your local attorney for your local law). One advantage of putting up signs that you are taping (and do the taping) is the police officers may just back down. Remember these officers you are dealing with are bullies, and like any bully they do NOT want to be caught. Bullies can dish out meanness, but they can NOT withstand the thought of meanness being dished out to them and fear that the law may be used against THEM

Now, some states have law forbidding the video taping of Police Officers (These have increased since 9-11). I question the constitutionality of such laws but it is something else you have to discuss with your local attorney.

Now if there is a shooting, make a duplicate of the taping and turn over the original to the police authority that will investigate the shooting. This way you have a copy of what happened as while as the police (Digital camera do this better than filmed cameras which I why I recommend digital cameras, but if you own a video camera use it).

Even if you use video and/or film base cameras MAKE a duplicate (if possible) before turning it over to the Police. Now if the Police asks for the tape you must give it to them BUT YOUR ATTORNEY AT TRIAL WILL BE ABLE TO ASK FOR IT AND IF THE POLICE SAID IT AS DESTROYED OR MISSING YOUR ATTORNEY CAN ASKED WHY? Even with that having a duplicate will be better than asking a jury to decide that the tape was DESTROYED deliberately by the Police (Your local Attorney will give you how local juries act on such facts better than I can).

Some comments on Cameras if you go for a Video Digital Camera go for one with a Zoom Lens. The best way to get a good picture at a distance is with a Zoom Lens NOT by expanding the picture. Also make sure the Camera has a wide enough field of view to catch all of the action (which is more a product of lens than Digital technology). If you can, also have some one take Still picture of what is happening. Still pictures tend to show more details than video. Combined together you have a very good visual picture to show what you did was self defense.

PLEASE DO NOT USE A FLASH ON ANY CAMERA YOU USE (Still or Video). Flashes tend NOT to be effective beyond 6 feet and the officers involve may later claim that he “thought” the flash was a Muzzle flash NOT a Camera Flash. Just avoid the whole issue by NOT using a flash (But make sure the area being taped in well lighted for better pictures). Motion detection lights can be installed (and any still video camera activated whenever the light come on).

Ideally for every shooting I would like to have one person shooting a video camera at the scene of the shooting. A second video camera covering the area in question (i.e. NOT being operated by anyone just recording from a pre-set mounting aimed at a pre-set area. As stated above it may be best to place this fixed camera with any motion light you have). I would like a third video camera from another angle (i.e. your neighbor’s house, or you covering your neighbor’s house). Finally I would like a fourth video camera from the side of the Gun that did the shooting (This can be just turned on when the weapon is loaded or fired).

Now all of these Video Cameras (Except the one on the weapon and the fixed camera) should be backed up by still cameras shots. These still camera should be digital cameras based on Single Lens Reflex {SLR} Cameras OR a SLR camera with a Digital Camera Back. This way you have various angles and pictures of the incident to back up your story that you acted in self defense.

Yes, the above is EXPENSIVE. Cheaper solution can also work but with decrease visual effect. Like the weapons you MUST decide what you think you will need at trial. Hopefully you will NEVER have to use your weapons or the film, but if you do use your Weapon you want as much evidence to support self defense as you can get.

Now ideally the Police would also video record the incident but most Police Departments do not require such recordings (through the technology is relatively cheap). I have said that every police officer should have a camera mounted on the front dash of his police cruiser so that it records whatever happens to the front of the Officer’s cruiser (And the officer should be trained to park his car so that the Camera is aimed where the officer plans to be). Such a Camera in all Police Cruisers would be ideal, but until the Courts force the police to have such cameras (I do not see Congress or the state legislatures making such cameras mandatary) I do NOT see the police taping their actions. The courts could force the Police to tape all and any of their actions by simply ruling that police WITHOUT such cameras must be assumed to have something to hide and place the burden on the Police to show WHY such film does not exist. I see the Courts doing this sometime in the distant future but NOT today and not in the foreseeable future, but in my opinion it will be the only way to force the Police to tape their actions.

I hope this advice helps you plan your actions in the future. Please remember stay within the law. Remember just because the KKK and your local police do NOT want to stay within the law does NOT give you the right to go outside the law. Check with a local attorney to see what the law REQUIRES of you and what you must show you are complying with the law.

[shatoga]

43. Great advice happyslug! thanks!

My personal choice is motion detectors, which turn on VCR's locked to "record".
The camera's have built in microphones and will show a twilight image in total darkness.

(I first began using these in Allentown/Reading PA- BTW)


I DO NOT ADVOCATE RESISTANCE TO UNIFORMED POLICE


Mississippi leads the nation in "jailhouse suicides" BTW


Yessir and Nosir and the best lawyer you can hire is my advice.



A visit to a library and copies of state laws is among my move-in chores, in any state.
In NY state, you must retreat to a closet before fighting back.
In Arizona, you must attempt to break off the conflict.


That's against civilian attackers.
Even Texas no longers allows resisting a false arrest.

I will not advocate any illegal acts on DU.
(nor elsewhere)

America is a nation of laws.

Even when the system is in the hands of corrupt groups or individuals;
our system is worth saving.

Any good cop will obey the US Constitution.

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