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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 11:19 AM Original message |
It's Time To Kill The Electric Car, Drive A Stake Through Its Heart And Burn The Corpse |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
1. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing -- hopefully we're working |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I skipped this Edison quote from earlier in the article |
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PoliticAverse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. There are some promising batteries coming from nanotech research |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
24. Please name me one thing we use in everyday life |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Nanosized silver particles are used as disinfectant |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Nano particles are different then manufacturing nanotubes |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-26-11 08:34 AM Response to Reply #33 |
43. How about TV’s? |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-26-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Yea, that looks like it |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-26-11 04:19 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Wait! |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-26-11 05:16 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I know the TV is now |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-26-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #33 |
54. Oh, and about manufacturing nanotubes… |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-26-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. There's a little more involved then just the nanotubes |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-27-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #56 |
70. I see, I guess I misread you |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-27-11 07:37 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. I guess I should clarify again |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-29-11 09:12 AM Response to Reply #71 |
76. So, then tablesaw blades don’t count? |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-29-11 11:21 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. They're just embedding rocks in their materials |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-29-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. No, actually, they aren’t “just embedding rocks in their materials” |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-29-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. The scalpel is just a cut diamond |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-29-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Surgery is not grinding rocks |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-29-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. No, it's not |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-29-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Nothing new |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-29-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. They were doing that 10 years ago |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-29-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Then this statement is no longer operative |
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PoliticAverse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Good question. The most likely place is in some electronics you use.. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 05:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. I thought someone might say computer chips |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 11:19 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. You asked to name one thing we use in everyday life that uses nanotechnology |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-26-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Sorry I'm not perfect like you |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
2. It is necessary for us to re-engineer our civilization... |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. We will. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. On macro scales, I don't think species or cultures make radical changes voluntarily... |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-28-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
74. More likely, civilization will be re-engineered for us |
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qb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
4. Can we not have an electric car that also recovers braking energy? |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. They already do |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Okay, but you missed the point |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. No I didn't miss the point |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. 18% |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. The efficiency of a coal fueled EV is about 22% |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 03:25 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Where's the gas-powered vehicle that dominates the industry currently? nt |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Different efficiency calculation |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Tank to wheels is only part of the picture |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 04:30 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. That will lower auto efficiency |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. According to the chart |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. It does because of the path |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-26-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #37 |
44. As I wrote in the OP |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-26-11 11:12 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. It is being produced |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-26-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Things aren’t changing that quickly |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-26-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. That touches on the fundamental flaw in the OP |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-27-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #4 |
69. Been there done that |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
7. Calculating the advantages in terms of carbon emissions saved would show the true benefits |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
9. Some issues |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Its an anti-EV article |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Of course its an anti-EV article |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Propoganda |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 02:39 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. With a title like that? |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. Its a bullshit article |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-26-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
52. Any books you'd like to burn while you're blacklisting this article? nt |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-26-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. I don't buy bullshit and this is bullshit, so is your reply to me |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-26-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. No bullshit sir, if someone posts something |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-26-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. I don't care to discuss bullshit stories. Whats to be gained from discussing a pack of lie |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-26-11 09:46 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. How do you know they are lies? Did you run down the numbers? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-26-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. It isn't worth deep analysis |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-27-11 03:05 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Not much deep thinking required in repeating the words of others |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-27-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Economic interest? Yes, absolutely |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 04:19 PM Response to Reply #9 |
25. The batteries use massive amounts of metal |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 09:44 PM Response to Reply #25 |
40. So do engines - more so. The alternative to EV is ICE, no? Steel and aluminum are metals too. nt |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-26-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. Yes, but iron is fairly common, no? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-26-11 06:10 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. Nothing the author says can be accepted without independent verification |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-26-11 06:21 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Sure, the made up bias you see |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-27-11 02:24 AM Response to Reply #51 |
65. Are you a person who only thinks there can be one solution? |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-27-11 03:03 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. context? |
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Kennah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 01:14 AM Response to Reply #51 |
88. Lithium worries are nothing to, well, worry about |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-28-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #40 |
75. The alternatives to EV and ICE |
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RickFromMN (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 07:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
87. How much Lithium is used in a Nissan Leaf? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
16. Yikes!! I just took a look at the article itself, and one thing hit me immediately |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. I think he was just trying to put quantities in perspective |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
31. Disclosure: it's by former director and major stockholder in lead-acid battery company |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. If he holds an interest in batteries |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Lead acid batteries are going the way of the dodo with intro of EVs. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Well, lead acid is not used in electric cars |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. :crazy: |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 09:08 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Well, if that is what you think you are |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #38 |
86. Rule #3 |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-25-11 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
42. I found one outright lie |
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SpoonFed (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-26-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. Uh... wrong. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-27-11 12:33 AM Response to Reply #50 |
64. Not wrong |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-27-11 02:59 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. yea, sure put those in your Prius. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-28-11 02:49 AM Response to Reply #66 |
73. Your ignorance is showing |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
85. A few points: |
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