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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:12 AM
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Arnie Gundersen Update 4/6 on what NRC, TEPCO, + the Nuke industry are hiding

Arnie Gundersen discusses inconstancies between what the NRC, TEPCo, and the Nuclear Industry are saying privately and publicly. Documents from the french nuclear firm, Areva, and the NRC reveal what the industry knows about the Fukushima disaster.

It appears that what is happening at TEPCo is not being told to the public. Including the fact that mud is building up inside the containers as well as several other issues including plutonium likely ejected from the fuel pools in the explosions up to several miles from the plant. Areeva and New York Times are reporting these concerns and others that Arnie Gundersen addresses.

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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:22 AM
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1. A Slow Agonizing Death - Fukushima, Nearly a Month In - Counterpunch

via Ensho


According to physicist Dr. Michio Kaku -- one of the good guys -- three reactors are either already melting down or in eminent danger of doing so, and a spent fuel pool may be, as well. He doesn't seem to think anything can stop it now: Molten fuel, dripping from broken reactor pressure vessels, spewing radioactive smoke and steam for years to come...

But it could still get even worse than that: There could be a violent steam explosion. Or two, three, four... or six. And then Daini will be unapproachable, just a few miles way. So there will go four more. In preparation, are they emptying the spent fuel pools at Daini at this time? No. They are happy to have achieved cold shutdown of those four reactors, and just keep riding out the aftershocks and the radiation wafting over from Fukushima Daiichi, waiting until somebody says they can turn the reactors on again. That's their new plan. Go back to being stupid as soon as possible.

Meanwhile, it's a slow, agonizing death of the reactors at Daiichi, and for those trying to stop it, many, perhaps all, of them will go through their own slow, agonizing death because of their efforts, as well. For the sake of others.

-snip of how the birds will spread the radiation poisons far and wide-

You see, they called their colleagues and coworkers offsite and told them they the plant was going to melt down if they didn't get help quickly. Big help. Generators, pumps, and people. They called the government. They even asked for the U.S. military to come help them protect the public because the reactors are going to melt down if you don't come help!!!

People at the other ends of the lines -- people who should be on trial today for, at the very least, negligent mass murder -- told the plant operators they were "on their own" and would have to solve their problems themselves.

Undoubtedly, the plant operators said the plant would melt down if you don't listen to us! Again came the response, for we all know the result.


If there is one "lesson to be learned" that we can all take away already, it's that the nuclear power plant operators will stop at nothing short of meltdown. Consider that dozens of exactly-similar nuclear reactors to the ones in Fukushima, in at least as dangerous and as populated areas, are still operating 24/7 all around the world, it's obvious that the next reactor to be shut down permanently will probably do so of its own accord, on its own schedule, whenever it pleases.
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Fledermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:34 PM
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3. Perfect! So, if the second explosion wasn't a steam explosion, the big one is yet to come.
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 07:46 PM by Fledermaus
I predict a nuclear geyser. Like old faithful.

Explanation: The remnants of nuclear reactors nearly two billion years old were found in the 1970s in Africa. These reactors are thought to have occurred naturally. No natural reactors exist today, as the relative density of fissile uranium has now decayed below that needed for a sustainable reaction. Pictured above is Fossil Reactor 15, located in Oklo, Gabon. Uranium oxide remains are visible as the yellowish rock. Oklo by-products are being used today to probe the stability of the fundamental constants over cosmological time-scales and to develop more effective means for disposing of human-manufactured nuclear waste.

Record of Cycling Operation of the Natural Nuclear Reactor in the Oklo/Okelobondo Area in Gabon
Using selective laser extraction technique combined with sensitive ion-counting mass spectrometry, we have analyzed the isotopic structure of fission noble gases in U-free La-Ce-Sr-Ca aluminous hydroxy phosphate associated with the 2 billion yr old Oklo natural nuclear reactor. In addition to elevated abundances of fission-produced Zr, Ce, and Sr, we discovered high (up to 0.03  cm3   STP/g) concentrations of fission Xe and Kr, the largest ever observed in any natural material. The specific isotopic structure of xenon in this mineral defines a cycling operation for the reactor with 30-min active pulses separated by 2.5 h dormant periods. Thus, nature not only created conditions for self-sustained nuclear chain reactions, but also provided clues on how to retain nuclear wastes, including fission Xe and Kr, and prevent uncontrolled runaway chain reaction
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:32 PM
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4. That's a definate find, like they'll find this weird buried plant in Fukushima in year 3012
and wonder what the 'ell.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:22 PM
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