I know one of you will have a link to what I'm trying to find. CO2 vs. global temperature graph.

[Systematic Chaos]

I've seen such graphs here before around here, but can't locate any recently posted ones.

I'm trying to find a graph, going back to the start of the Industrial Revolution, which shows atmospheric CO2 and global average temperatures superimposed onto the same graph. I see the ones going back thousands of years all over the place, but more often than not they're being used to try and disprove climate change.

I want a graph I can shove in someone's face in another forum as a game, set, match sort of thing. Anyone? :)

[GliderGuider]

1. Try these

http://zfacts.com/p/226.html



http://gustofhotair.blogspot.com/2008/01/whilst-i-have-to-be-very-critical-of.html



http://www.globalwarmingawarenessblog.com/a-graph-of-the-last-30-years-shows-that-co2-and-global-temperature-correlate.html

[Systematic Chaos]

6. Thanks, G.G. These are all excellent!

Very handy, indeed. :)

[joshcryer]

11. zFacts is all around fun for any kind of conservative fact checking.

:thumbsup:

[Warren Stupidity]

2. Well for face shoving the hockey stick graph is always a good one

This should cause enormous upset, plus a flood of well funded bogus counter argument talking points.

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[NickB79]

7. Yeah, it's not like further research vindicated it or anything

:eyes:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5109188.stm

http://climateprogress.org/2010/07/01/michael-mann-hockey-stick-exonerated-penn-state/

[guardian]

9. So the IPCC is using it again?

Can you cite a current link?

[muriel_volestrangler]

10. Of course - because they never stopped using it

Fourth assessment Report, 2007:

McIntyre and McKitrick (2003) reported that they were unable to replicate the results of Mann et al. (1998). Wahl and Ammann (2007) showed that this was a consequence of differences in the way McIntyre and McKitrick (2003) had implemented the method of Mann et al. (1998) and that the original reconstruction could be closely duplicated using the original proxy data. McIntyre and McKitrick (2005a,b) raised further concerns about the details of the Mann et al. (1998) method, principally relating to the independent verification of the reconstruction against 19th-century instrumental temperature data and to the extraction of the dominant modes of variability present in a network of western North American tree ring chronologies, using Principal Components Analysis. The latter may have some theoretical foundation, but Wahl and Amman (2006) also show that the impact on the amplitude of the final reconstruction is very small (~0.05°C; for further discussion of these issues see also Huybers, 2005; McIntyre and McKitrick, 2005c,d; von Storch and Zorita, 2005).

http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch6s6-6.html

Note the IPCC graph goes back to 700, while the one in post #2 starts at 1000AD; but it's the same thing, basically - Northern Hemisphere temperature reconstruction - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record_of_the_past_1000_years

Maybe you should stop using YouTube as a reference.

[joshcryer]

14. IPCC uses all data, including data from "skeptics."

Everyone with a peer reviewed paper gets cited and their data is compiled appropriately to try to figure things out. It's called scientific review.

[joshcryer]

13. IPCC didn't "stop using the hockey stick."

[guardian]

4. For a little background on the hockey stick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfafW_3oJ3Q

[NickB79]

8. Looking at some of the other videos posted by that author

I found these gems:

"Governor Palin has more administrative experience then Obama "

"Obama lets religion influence his views more then Palin does."

And a ton of videos from Glen Beck's TV show.


Gee, what reputable sources you get your information from!

[joshcryer]

12. I'm actually surprised he's lasted as long as he has here.

[Warren Stupidity]

15. Ah, as I said, the reaction is so predictable. nt.