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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 07:25 PM
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Should we be planning for the end of cheap coal?
The recent IEA report on global energy use trends contained a bit of a surprise. If oil prices remain high and governments make progress on their emissions goals, there's a possibility that the world has already hit peak oil, and that the next few years will see its use plateau for a while before dropping again. Using these same assumptions, the report also said that we could hit peak coal somewhere within the next 20 years. In today's edition of Nature, a commentary suggests that, even skipping those same assumptions, we may hit peak coal before too long, simply because the best and cheapest sources are vanishing fast.

The authors of the comment unquestionably have an agenda; they come from the Post-Carbon Institute, which clearly has an interest in promoting consideration of a world that doesn't run on fossil fuels. And that agenda is obvious in the article summary, which concludes, "Energy policies relying on cheap coal have no future."

That appears to be in sharp contrast to various estimates that suggest the world's coal supply is enough to keep us going for up to several hundred years. But the key word in the sentence is "cheap." The authors don't deny that there's a lot of coal left out there—although they say it's less than most people think—but they argue that actually using it will get progressively more expensive, a trend that will ultimately make relying on cheap coal a losing proposition.

The authors provide some pretty simple evidence: for the past couple of decades, the projected global supply has been dropping at a rate faster than consumption, which suggests that there's something off with the projections. They blame advances in geology, which have led a number of nations to decide that some reserves that were once thought to be economically recoverable really aren't. For example, South Africa and Germany, which between them have just under 10 percent of the global reserves, have recently seen their estimated recoverable reserves drop more than a third over a five-year span. There could also be some ugly surprises in this area as well. The US, which has over a quarter of the estimated global reserves, hasn't updated its estimate since the 1970s.

http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/11/should-we-be-planning-for-the-end-of-cheap-coal.ars

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 07:37 PM
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1. Or
They might be setting us up for a Peak Coal scare like they did with Peak Oil.

Yes, they used scare tactics to raise the price of oil.
They will do anything they can to raise the price of oil.

Cheap coal is a total lie anyway.
And if they were truth tellers the whole world would believe that truth.
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Terry in Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 03:49 PM
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8. Bastards!
>> They might be setting us up for a Peak Coal scare like they did with Peak Oil.

"They" really get around, don't they?

Boo!

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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 07:42 PM
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2. End of coal. End of oil
End of a lot of things.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 07:48 PM
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3. End of species. End of toilet paper.
Whee!
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 09:25 AM
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7. End of strawman please
We will witness the end of the age of oil as we know in the coming decade. Coal production will fall also.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 07:51 PM
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4. Sometimes it is fun to say...
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 08:00 PM
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5. Coal has NEVER been cheap. The external cost has ALWAYS been paid, but not by the direct
consumers.

If the coal industry were required to meet nuclear standards for safety, reliability, return on investment, subsidies, etc, it, and the rest of the dangerous fossil fuel industries would collapse in 30 seconds.

These are standards set by anti-nukes for nuclear energy.

1) No accidents, ever. Coal, gas, and oil and the dopey renewable industries those industries support fail on this score. The worst energy disaster ever was a renewable energy disaster.

2) Containment of by products forever, with no risk whatsoever of leakage. Coal, gas, and oil and the dopey renewable industries those industries support fail on this score.

3) No risk associated with constructing the infrastructure to maintain them. Coal, gas, and oil and the dopey renewable industries those industries support fail on this score.

4) Too cheap to meter. Coal, gas, and oil and the dopey renewable industries those industries support fail on this score, but the stupid, failed so called "renewable energy" industry is particularly egregrious on this score, since it is entirely funded by a regressive tax that 1) funds rich (but stupid) people and 2) disproportionately affects the poor.

5) No publicly funded support in the form of subsidies. See number 4. The so called renewable industry would disappear in a New York second without subsidies.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 08:05 PM
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6. True enough.
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Terry in Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 04:10 PM
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9. Yes, if we were smart.
Big if, of course.

Coal discovery has apparently peaked, with the production peak to follow soon. The research cited estimates 1990 levels of coal production by 2037, 50% of peak production a decade later.

Notice they're tearing the tops off mountains to get the stuff? It's not because that's the most convenient way to get it.

Meanwhile, there's still talk about coal reserves in terms of "years." I'd say that any discussion that uses "years" to measure a quantity of material -- instead of tons, for example -- has some serious BS to it.

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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 04:15 PM
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10. Actually it is precisely because it is the most convenient way to get it.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 08:21 PM
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11. Obviously.
Edited on Sat Nov-20-10 08:21 PM by Radical Activist
They're going after coal in places like Alaska because the cheaper supplies are running out.
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 10:25 PM
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12. do they use oil-based fuels in the machines that extract coal?
If so, a double uh oh.
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