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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 01:08 PM Original message |
A challenge for the nuclear "environmentalists" frequenting DU EE |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
1. Imagine that, crickets... |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 06:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
105. Why should anyone answer your questions when you'll never accept the answers? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
2. I will answer your three questions... |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. The challenge is there, reply or not. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Right back at you |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 06:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. Don't be silly. He debates only straw men. N/t |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Although I haven't seen your questions... |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
6. An interesting thread of straw running through these... |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. It is the NUCLEAR INDUSTRY making the claim, ask them why they are promoting the lie. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Yet you refuse to look at world prices, only US ones. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Please don't ask Kristopher any questions |
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DrGregory (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 10:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
61. That's how lie detectors work. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. I asked about turnkey plants; any examples anywhere are acceptable for discussion. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Exactly |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Are you saying that turnkey projects are a *bad* way to build a nuke plant? |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Kris, I gave an answer in post 6 |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 04:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. The question was specific and you haven't addressed it at all. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. That's not using your big boy words, Kris. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I'll make the question easier... |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 06:34 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Another transparent attempt to divert from the question |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 09:01 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Hmm. Since you are not actually answering... |
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DrGregory (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 11:00 PM Response to Reply #16 |
62. It's no guarantee. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 06:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. Have you noticed all the bullshit you've gotten so far |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 09:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Hey, I did |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 10:08 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Why are you so afraid of basic facts related to making an informed energy choice? |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 10:18 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. On the contrary, I like facts |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 10:53 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Why are nuclear power plants unable to be built under turnkey contracts? |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 11:02 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I'll repeat the answer for the third time: |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 11:39 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. That is an evasion, not an answer. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 12:35 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. It's just not an answer you like. |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 08:36 AM Response to Reply #11 |
48. The "Big Dig" in Boston was Turn Key |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 10:22 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Would you like to attempt to actually answer the questions... |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Fishing for a particular answer? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 08:55 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Paticular only in that I'm asking specifically about nuclear power and the problems unique to it... |
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DrGregory (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 12:45 AM Response to Reply #58 |
79. Market Forces would be nice. |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
10. Why do you think that people who are educated about nuclear science owe anti-nukes anything. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. "you have no shame" |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 06:45 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Answer me this, |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. my bad wrong place |
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DrGregory (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 10:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. Because.. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 08:15 PM Response to Reply #34 |
57. So far I haven't read an explanation you've given that was coherent yet |
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DrGregory (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 12:11 AM Response to Reply #57 |
75. Same explanation as Professor Muller. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 12:22 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. The only thing obvious is your intent to misdirect attention and misinform the discussion. |
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DrGregory (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 01:10 AM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Just because you don't understand them... |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. Let's let readers form their own conclusion |
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DrGregory (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:41 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. Gee - I thought you would have learned something by now. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 10:09 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Thank you, I couldn't have asked for a better sample... |
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DrGregory (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 11:12 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. BALONEY! |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 08:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. In whose universe have I "no shame." I simply read the Vestas report. You obviously didn't. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 08:31 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Your wrote what you wrote, no one is spinning your words. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 07:58 PM Response to Reply #10 |
25. All knowing one how is it that we're supposed to learn |
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DrGregory (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 11:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
63. The UNWILLING to learn.. |
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DrGregory (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 10:41 PM Response to Reply #10 |
33. AMEN!!! Brother AMEN!!! |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
19. I'll play |
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DrGregory (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
32. "Shoreham Effect" has yet to be addressed... |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 11:03 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Nowhere in the world are nuclear plants built under turnkey contracts. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 11:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Why are turnkey contracts so important to you? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 11:42 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Turnkey contracts are merely the vehicle that exposes the economic failure of nuclear power. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 11:49 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Really? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 12:05 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. There you go again taking an A and claiming it is a J. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 12:12 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. I'm sorry |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 01:46 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Statement 2 is entirely your creation and it is not possible to attribute it to anything I wrote |
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caraher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 07:05 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Then correct the logic |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 08:35 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. If you *are* sincere, then provide a sincere response to the OP. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. The answer has already been in Post #32 |
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caraher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #47 |
67. I wasn't being addressed in the OP |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Patience is a virtue. |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:01 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. And, strangely enough, you're still not being addressed, just dismissed ... |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Yes it is my creation |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. An accurate description of why nuclear is not suitable for turnkey projects... |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. No it does not |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 06:22 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Then why are you still afraid to engage on the questions asked? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 06:43 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Stop. |
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DrGregory (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 10:24 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. I know... |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 01:05 AM Response to Reply #55 |
64. I'm not afraid, it's just pointless |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 08:34 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Deleted message |
kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 01:35 AM Response to Reply #64 |
69. You are most definitely very afraid to engage on wubstance. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 02:04 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Right back at you |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 02:36 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. No, it isn't "right back at you"; it is an evasion. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 09:49 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Right back at you |
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DrGregory (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 12:38 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. puppy dog? |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 02:12 AM Response to Reply #41 |
82. Only nuclear power |
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DrGregory (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #37 |
59. What reality distortion field are you living in? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 08:31 AM Response to Reply #59 |
65. False Bullshit Sourced Directly to the Nuclear Power Tentacle of the MIC |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:09 AM Response to Reply #65 |
73. Woohoo ... bonus points for the Hentai reference! (n/t) |
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DrGregory (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 12:30 AM Response to Reply #65 |
77. Tommy "One Note" strikes again. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 02:16 AM Response to Reply #77 |
83. CTRL-V for VICTORY! nt |
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DrGregory (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 01:04 AM Response to Reply #65 |
80. Tommy "One Note" strikes again. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 03:05 AM Response to Reply #37 |
100. The anti-nukes explained |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 07:28 AM Response to Original message |
84. In the last 45 years |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. In the future the use of nuclear power is counterproductive... |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Could be, could be. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. You are going to wring your own neck twisting around like that... |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. ??? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Which is exactly what I said. |
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DrGregory (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 11:25 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. Figures never lie...but... |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 09:02 PM Response to Reply #91 |
113. Wrong. Nuclear provides 6% |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 09:35 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. You must start checking your facts. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 03:08 AM Response to Reply #115 |
117. Only to you. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #117 |
122. Are you denying heat losses in thermal systems or lack of same for renewables? |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. No, you misunderstand, as usual |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-31-10 01:32 AM Response to Reply #124 |
126. Short and sweet, here are the numbers |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-31-10 02:07 AM Response to Reply #126 |
128. would you happen to have a link backing up your assertion? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-31-10 02:33 AM Response to Reply #128 |
129. I used the numbers from YOUR links - the difference was I know knew to interpret them |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-31-10 03:10 AM Response to Reply #129 |
130. My points are |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-31-10 03:16 AM Response to Reply #129 |
131. One other point |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-31-10 03:51 AM Response to Reply #129 |
132. Another point |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
89. The 3 questions are answered and implications are discusssed here |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
96. Kick. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
97. Come on, the challenge is still out here waiting for you. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 12:39 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Right back at you |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 01:32 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. You ran from the questions, then you ran from the answers. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 11:33 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. I don't want to run home, I want to engage you |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Then engage. No one is stoping you but you. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Cool |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
104. First, let's address the words you put in our mouths as ABSOLUTES. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 03:28 AM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Wow! It is difficult to imagine how you arrived at most of those conclusions... |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. I stick by my opinion. Backups to backups, which themselves are... |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. So that is the view through the rose colored glasses of the nuclear industry... |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Really? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 05:51 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Really? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 06:14 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. Here you go |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 08:25 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. pwned |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 09:14 PM Response to Reply #111 |
114. That is an outstanding example. |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 01:54 AM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Chernobyl demonstrated that it takes a fully uncontained reactor... |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 09:40 AM Response to Reply #114 |
119. Nice try Kristopher, but every knows you just got pwned |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. The difference between legitimate discussion and harassment. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. "Harassment"? Really???? |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 04:16 AM Response to Reply #108 |
118. All pretty much explainable by mutiple agencies and lobbies working at... |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #118 |
121. That begs the question of why it isn't being done anywhere, doesn't it? |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-30-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #121 |
125. And the US actively interfering at every turn. |
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