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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:49 AM
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Pope's Hope
Why does Carl Pope, President of the Sierra Club, put all his hopes for a green revolution in T. Boone Pickens's plan? I have plenty of opinions about big oil as well as about Pickens, but
few cohesive answers and MANY questions. And I'm not sure I can even form the right questions to ask at this point.

What I know:

** I wouldn't trust Pickens as far as I could throw him, so why is he considered the savior of the world? Are we really THAT desperate? Does it simply come down to Pickens's very deep pockets?
Or is there something unique in his plan that no one else can deliver?

** I don't want any more privatization of these life sustaining utilities and especially entrusted to the control of the likes of T. Boone Pickens where there is no mechanism for accounability...only profits and the bottom line. Nor do I believe he's our only hope for change. He's just the only one willing to pay for it (in the short term), though we'll all be paying for it in spades soon enough.

** Water is NOT the new oil, unless I can drink oil. It is NOT a commodity.

** We MUST MUST MUST break our dependencies on oil for any number of reasons for which we're all familiar.

How does Pickens's plan compare to what we might get from a Dem or GOP ticket? I hate to say it, but despite the rhetoric, I foresee our foreign policy and investments in oil/gas will continue on
the same course for quite some time yet, regardless of who is steering the tanker. So do we follow that money or do we follow Pickens's green?

Perhaps Pope knows more than he's sharing, but he's not publicly exploring all the nuances of how it would all shake out in the long run or who might get behind it in government. Pope is sending out appeals to members to get behind the Pickens plan, write OPed pieces, call our representatives, etc. I wonder if Pope himself has ever laid out a comprehensive plan for change over to alternative. If so I'd like to hear it. Who knows, maybe we could support that instead. It sure seems like we hear a lot about 'plans' but lack any details or nuts and bolts for assembling it.

My concerns about growing corporatism in general is that the big money will rush in on their black horse to 'save us' or slide themselves into positions of power where there is a vacuum of it in our weakened government.
We are constantly left juggling the lesser of evils. Dependency on oil vs. dependency on Pickens, or
those of his ilk. Or maybe the real change is happening on the grassroots level, every time someone installs a solar panel on their home or collects rainwater, installs geothermal, etc. I'd like to think so. Maybe that can be the driving force, economicaly and ideologically, to get us on the right path without all the big 'plans' and bureacracy.

For now it seems we must trust in chaos theory.


Carl Pope: T. Boone And Me

...T. Boone Pickens is out to save America.
But how can wind power, which generates electricity, help us out of our imported oil dilemma? Long-term, it will be through plug-in hybrid cars. But Pickens doesn't think we can afford to wait for the long term, so he's offering an audacious alternative vision -- generate enough wind so that America no longer needs to use natural gas to generate electricity, and then use that gas instead to power up to one-third of our vehicle fleet with compressed natural gas (CNG).

The conversion is clearly feasible. CNG cars are already normal in countries like Argentina, where they cost no more than conventional models. The barriers in the U.S. have been the resistance of the major oil companies and that we would need to install CNG pumps at service stations. But many fleets already burn the fuel, which is much cleaner, and emits about one-third less carbon than gasoline. And CNG now has another advantage: It costs about half as much as gasoline does. If we were to convert any significant part of the U.S. fleet, the resulting decline in world oil demand would actually reduce oil prices, potentially sharply. It's probably the only short-term (2-3 year) strategy that might...cont'd

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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:16 PM
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1. Pickens...dismisses the current calls for opening up the coast to drilling,
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 01:17 PM by TheBorealAvenger
Interesting material.

quote Carl Hope: Pickens just doesn't believe that America's energy future is in oil any more. He dismisses the current calls for opening up the coast to drilling, saying that the government's official estimates of oil and gas reserves are wildly inflated -- "the geology just isn't there." /quote
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