31,000 Scientists Rejecting Global Warming Theory to be Named Monday

[jpak]

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/05/18/31-000-scientists-rejecting-global-warming-theory-be-named-monday

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Why: the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) will announce that more than 31,000 scientists have signed a petition rejecting claims of human-caused global warming. The purpose of OISM's Petition Project is to demonstrate that the claim of "settled science" and an overwhelming "consensus" in favor of the hypothesis of human-caused global warming and consequent climate damage is wrong. No such consensus or settled science exists. As indicated by the petition text and signatory list, a very large number of American scientists reject this hypothesis.

It is evident that 31,072 Americans with university degrees in science - including 9,021 PhDs, are not "a few." Moreover, from the clear and strong petition statement that they have signed, it is evident that these 31,072 American scientists are not "skeptics."

Folks should recall that this petition was first circulated in 1999 garnering more than 19,000 signatures. The alarmists discounted its significance because there were some duplicate names, and some of the signatories apparently weren't scientists -- or so the story goes.

With over 31,000 now on the list, all with degrees in science -- including 9,000 PhDs! -- what might this do to the nonsensical premise of there being a consensus concerning this issue?

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[rosesaylavee]

1. What a silly man

I would like to see that petition. Who are these 31,000 and bet there are plenty of duplicates as there were with the original petition. Ha.

[Gato Moteado]

2. newsbusters!

now there's a credible source!

[ixion]

3. My dad is a scientist with a Ph.D, and a global warming denier

as expected, he uses all GOP-approved talking points when we debate the topic.

[hobbit709]

4. Having a degree in science

doesn't necessarily make you a "scientist". And we all know what PHD stands for in a lot of cases. I've known people with Masters degrees in Electronics that I wouldn't let get within 10 feet of the working innards of any electronic device-even a doorbell. I worked for one guy that every time he touched a power supply, someone would stand near the fire extinguisher.

[Buzz Clik]

5. Same petition as the one released nearly ten years ago.

Same signatories but vetted for duplicates and phonies.

[BrklynLib at work]

6. OSIM has been pulling this crap for years, if not decades.....

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/10/oregon-institute-of-science-and-malarkey/

10 October 2007<<<note the date onn this
Oregon Institute of Science and Malarkey

A large number of US scientists (to our direct knowledge: engineers, biologists, computer scientists and geologists) received a package in the mail this week. The package consists of a colour preprint of a 'new' article by Robinson, Robinson and Soon and an exhortation to sign a petition demanding that the US not sign the Kyoto Protocol. If you get a feeling of deja vu, it is because this comes from our old friends, the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine and is an attempt to re-invigorate the highly criticised 1999 "Oregon Petition".

The article itself is just an update of the original article, minus an author (Baliunas), with a switch of Robinson children (Zachary's out, Noah is in), but with a large number of similar errors and language. As in previous case, this paper too, is not peer reviewed.

Since this is a rehash of the previous paper plus a few more cherry-picked statistics of dubious relevance, instead of tediously going through the whole thing ourselves, we are going to try something new - an open source debunking.
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here is the Wiki page set up by the above author.....shows lots and lots of errors.
http://www.realclimate.org/wiki/index.php?title=OISM


http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=oregon_institute_of_science_and_medicine_1

Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) was a participant or observer in the following events:
1998: Petition Calling on US to Reject Kyoto Protocol Employs Misleading Tactics ]Frederick Seitz, a former tobacco company scientist and former National Academy of Sciences president, writes and circulates a letter asking scientists to sign a petition calling upon the US government to reject the Kyoto Protocol. The petition was authored by an obscure group by the name of “Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine.” Seitz includes in his letter a report arguing that carbon dioxide emissions do not pose a threat to the global climate. The report—which is not peer reviewed—is formatted to look like an article from the esteemed Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS). The organizers of the petition will claim that some 17,000 scientists signed the petition. But it is subsequently discovered that few credentialed climate scientists added their signature to the list. Moreover, the petition contains the names of several fictional characters. The magazine Scientific American analyzes a random sampling of the signers and concludes that only about one percent of the petition signatories claiming to have a Ph.D. in a climate-related field actually do. And in a highly unusual move, the National Academy of Sciences issues a statement disavowing Seitz’s petition and disassociating the academy from the PNAS-formatted paper.

Google "Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine" and you will find tons of articles indicating what a bogus organization this is.....

[xchrom]

7. i'm guessing there are 31,000 stupid ''scientists''. why not? nt

[DrRang]

8. The Oregon Institute is a bunch of whacks.

They show up every once in a while with rather hysterical denial efforts. Just a question--Does "with a university degree in science" simply mean that someone has a B.S.?

[depakid]

19. Whacks way out in the boondocks near Cave Junction

From Real Climate:

Oregon Institute of Science and Malarkey

A large number of US scientists (to our direct knowledge: engineers, biologists, computer scientists and geologists) received a package in the mail this week. The package consists of a colour preprint of a 'new' article by Robinson, Robinson and Soon and an exhortation to sign a petition demanding that the US not sign the Kyoto Protocol. If you get a feeling of deja vu, it is because this comes from our old friends, the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine and is an attempt to re-invigorate the highly criticised 1999 "Oregon Petition".

The article itself is just an update of the original article, minus an author (Baliunas), with a switch of Robinson children (Zachary's out, Noah is in), but with a large number of similar errors and language. As in previous case, this paper too, is not peer reviewed.

Since this is a rehash of the previous paper plus a few more cherry-picked statistics of dubious relevance, instead of tediously going through the whole thing ourselves, we are going to try something new - an open source debunking.

As we've mentioned previously, we've set up a Wiki to provide a one stop shop for articles debunking some of the worst climate contrarian pseudo-science. So, we've therefore set up a page for the new OISM paper, and what we'd like to do here is to start collecting material on this paper.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/10/oregon-institute-of-science-and-malarkey

[Gman]

9. How many Proctologists will be on the list?

Yeah, they've really got some reasoned opinions I'm sure.

[hatrack]

10. I just hope that Dr. Geri Halliwell is on the list once more!!!

:evilgrin:

[Barrett808]

21. Also, the characters from M*A*S*H...

...and Posh Spice!

[Juche]

11. Degrees in what

Wasn't the first list full of dentists and other fields that have nothing to do with climatology? What do orgs that actually study the climate have to say?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

[DemReadingDU]

12. Scientist Shifts View on Global Warming

5/18/08 Scientist Shifts View on Global Warming

Global warming isn't to blame for the recent jump in hurricanes in the Atlantic, concludes a study by a prominent federal scientist whose position has shifted on the subject.

Not only that, warmer temperatures will actually reduce the number of hurricanes in the Atlantic and those making landfall, research meteorologist Tom Knutson reported in a study released Sunday.

more...
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/scientist-shifts-view-on-global-warming/20080518143309990001?icid=1615988631x1202539822x1200305793

[endarkenment]

13. Oddly enough I was at my son's college graduation ceremony

from Tuft's school of engineering yesterday, and they have moved far past 'debating' catastrophic climate change to integrating sustainability into all of their engineering disciplines. The know-nothings can proceed with their idiocy. We are getting to work at doing what we can to avoid systemic collapse.

The obstructionists are going to be pushed aside, either gently through the democratic process, or forcefully by their having taken us into outright disaster.

[Dogtown]

14. 31,000

fundies with "science" degrees; longing for "ID" forced into the curriculum of all public schools.

[Viking12]

15. I received a copy of the petition. I am a PhD but not in a science field.

The petition arrived along with this phony "peer-reviewed" article from the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons. This summary packs in every debunked denier claim in a short 12-pages.

The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons? WTF is a supposed climate science article doing in a medical journal, you ask? Wikipedia has a nice summary:

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative association of physicians, medical professionals and students, patients and others,<1> founded in 1943.<2> According to the AAPS's website, the organization is "dedicated to the highest ethical standards of the Oath of Hippocrates and to preserving the sanctity of the patient-physician relationship and the practice of private medicine",<3> and to "supporting the principles of the free market in medical practice."<1> The motto of the AAPS is omnia pro aegroto which means "all for the patient."

The group had approximately 4,000 members in 2005.<4> Notable members include Ron Paul and John Cooksey.<5> The executive director is Jane Orient, professor of clinical medicine at the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine.

A 1966 article in the New York Times accurately described the organization as an "ultra-right-wing... political-economic rather than medical" group, and asserted that historically some of its leaders had been members of the John Birch Society.

Some past articles and commentaries published in the journal have argued:

that the Food and Drug Administration and Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services are unconstitutional,<27>
that "humanists" have conspired to replace the "creation religion of Jehovah" with evolution,<28>
that increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has not caused global warming,<29>
that HIV does not cause AIDS,<30><31>
that the "gay male lifestyle" shortens life expectancy by 20 years.<32>
A series of articles by pro-life authors published in the journal argued for the existence of a link between abortion and breast cancer;<33><34> such a link was rejected by a National Cancer Institute workshop<35> and is not recognized by major medical organizations such as the American Cancer Society<36> or World Health Organization.<37>

[One_Life_To_Give]

16. 31K out of how many?

How many tiimes that number graduate annually with what they claim are "degrees in science"?

So this is what 1%

[kristopher]

17. Smoke, Mirrors, and Hot Air - Union of Concerned Scientists

If you have never read this paper, read it. If you have read it, send the link to 5 people you know.

The kind of stuff in the OP is nothing to sneer at; it is deadly serious and effective propaganda that must be actively countered at the grass roots level. If you have someone you know that has toed the GOP line, but is suffering near terminal disillusionment about the ability of unfettered corporate interests to serve our cultural needs, they need to read this - carefully.

It details, with original documents, the strategy pursued by the automobile and petroleum industries to deliberately confuse the public. The narrative is about 30 pages with another 30 pages of documentation.

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/exxonmobil-smoke-mirrors-hot.html

[stuntcat]

18. so let's wait some more before we change

I mean I'm sure that's what we'll do anyway :cry:

[seasat]

20. Fredrick Seitz, the leader of that group, was a shill for the tobacco Cos

I was not surprised when I found that out. That scam NAS paper and petition has been out for a decade. I wonder if they finally deleted all the phony signatures like Micheal J. Fox, John Grisham, and Perry Mason. When Scientific American tried to verify the signatories on that stated they had degrees in a field remotely related to the study of climate change. They found that only 1 in 7 were real or actually backed it and this was back around 1999 before even more research came out supporting Anthropogenic Greenhouse Gas Climate Change.

[Mabus]

22. Are they all still alive?

:rofl:

[rosesaylavee]

27. The ones that remain will each be given an ice flow

... if there are any left this summer.

:hi:

[Dover]

23. Are they denying warming altogether or suggesting there is another cause beyond manmade?

It's one thing to question the cause of warming and quite another to deny it's happening.

[kestrel91316]

24. How many of them are PhD climatologists?

[elifino]

25. Link to the list

http://www.petitionproject.org/gwdatabase/Signers_By_Last_Name.php

elifino

[seasat]

26. When at 22000 signatures 1400 were qualified only 200 actually supported

Scientific American tried to verify the "signatures" since it's an internet petition and anyone can log on to sign it. They checked only those that might possibly work in a field that would research climate change. They limited themselves to climatologist, oceanographers and similar earth sciences. They only found that 1 out of 7 supported the petition. Now this petition came out in 1997 so a lot of those have changed their minds. Also earth scientists includes geologists that work in the petroleum industry. It's a pretty weak petition.

[kristopher]

28. It isn't weak unnless you are a member of the reality based community.

Those fools living in fantasy land have a vote, and that's who this is aimed at. This kind of stuff is crafted for a specific purpose - it relieves the cognitive dissonance that occurs when someone wants to believe their lying eyes instead of Hannity or Limbaugh. They don't give a hoot if it is shown to be a fraud or not; their purpose is fulfilled by being able to insert it into their bought and paid for echo chamber again, and again and again....

[seasat]

29. I agree with it's purpose for the right wing echo chamber

Fortunately though, it is ignored by the rest of corporate media. Only the hard righties will mention it. With McSame acknowledging anthropogenic climate change the fossil fuel industry and their shills are on their last leg and are doing a major push.

The propaganda does have an effect on people, though. Most are looking for a reason not to change their comfortable life style and a change will be necessary to address climate change. IMHO, some people cling to the shills because of that.

It may be just me, but I've noticed a large increase in TV advertising from coal, oil, and gas companies touting their environmental creds. The same companies that fund these clowns are also the same ones that are now trying to paint a greener image for themselves and their products.

[kristopher]

30. Have you read Union of Concerned Scientists report on Exxon/Mobile's campaign?

If not, the link is at post 17 above. It is 30 pages of narrative and 30 pages of primary documents (memos & emails) detailing the degree of influence and how they use it. It is very hrd to ignore. If you know someone that uses the right wing talking points, it helps to show them where those talking points originated.