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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:58 AM
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(Debt Collector Woes) What Debt Collectors Can't Do
One business is going strong in this flagging economy: debt collection.

And with a growing number of collectors chasing down debtors, complaints are also rising about how debts are being collected.

The Better Business Bureau expects the number of complaints to rise once 2007 figures are calculated. The trend has been upward in the past few years. In 2006, complaints about debt collectors were up 21 percent from the previous year, according to Edward Johnson, president and chief executive of the Better Business Bureau in the District.

"With the current state of the U.S. economy, we are forecasting an all-time high in the number of complaints against the industry," Johnson said.

After reviewing some recent consumer complaints, Johnson said people have been upset that collectors were contacting neighbors, friends and employers, and making disparaging remarks in an effort to shame the debtors into paying up. "Consumers should accept responsibility for their debts," Johnson said. "However, they do not have to accept abusive collection tactics. They need to know their rights."

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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:02 AM
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1. We have received collection calls for three of my husband's relatives
And we aren't even in touch with them. I don't like getting collection calls for a debt I don't owe.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:20 AM
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4. Did you get in touch with your State's Attorney General?
In Pennsylvania the Attorney General will go after abusive debt collectors who violate the Federal Debt Collection Law (One such violation is contacting other people about and telling them of that person's debts). Get in contact with your relative and tell them of the calls, and tell them to file a complaint with their state's Attorney General (And if you live in another state file with your Attorney General).

One last comment, in my experience if a debt collector is violating the Federal Debt Collection law, they have no intention of ever filing in court. The reason is simple, in court a debtor can counter-claim for violation of the Federal Debt Collection Act even in State Court.
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:08 AM
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2. Debt collectors called me repeatedly (5or6 times)
About the people who live behind me. I was so pissed and demanded that they tell me how they got my phone #, they said they did a reverse lookup of the addresses around them. anyway, I finally got them to stop after I called the charge cards main office.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:10 AM
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3. I was getting collections calls
when we moved to a new State because I had the same last name as someone in the city that they were looking for.

I tried to explain to them that we just moved there and had no idea who they were looking for, but after the fifth or sixth call I started to get pissed off. Then they phoned me early one Saturday morning and tried to claim that they "knew" that I was holding out on them. I don't think that prick has yet recovered from the profane streak of shit I piled on him. I called the company and sent a letter to their President and my Congresscritter, hoping at the very least to get the dirtbag fired. I don't know how it shook out but they haven't called back.
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:27 AM
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5. More info ...
A federal court recently entered a final order against a Florida debt collection agency that used misleading dunning letters and abusive telephone calls to falsely suggest that consumers would be sued, their property seized and their wages garnished if they did not pay what the company said they owed. The collectors were accused of shouting and using abusive language.


Florida Debt Collector Hit With 3.4 Million Dollar Fine by FTC

Court Enters Final Order in FTC Action Against Florida Debt Collectors

A federal court has entered a final order against a Florida debt collection agency, its principals, and its attorney, settling a Federal Trade Commission action that alleged that the defendants violated the FTC Act and the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (FDCPA) while collecting consumers’ debts.

The FTC’s complaint alleged that the enterprise used misleading dunning letters and abusive telephone calls to falsely threaten that consumers would be sued, their property seized, and their wages garnished if they did not pay the money that the defendants said they owed. The complaint alleged that the collectors often shouted and used profanity and other abusive language to carry out their collections.

The stipulated final order, among other things, permanently bars the defendants from falsely representing the character, amount, or legal status of a consumer’s debt, that their collector is an attorney or represents an attorney, or that if the consumer does not pay, the defendants can or will file a lawsuit against the consumer. It also prohibits them from violating the FDCPA in any way, including by disclosing a consumer’s debts to any third parties, using profanity or other abusive language in collection calls, or by continuing to attempt to collect a debt before providing verification of the debt to consumers who properly request such verification. The settlement also requires the defendants to provide consumers with a toll-free number and mailing address to file complaints, promptly investigate each such complaint, and take steps to cease, resolve, and cure any violations of the court order or the FDCPA.


Federal Times
IRS rehires controversial private debt collectors

The IRS announced Monday that it will renew contracts for two controversial private debt collectors.

The contracts were awarded to Pioneer Credit Recovery and CBE Group; both companies started doing collection work in 2006. The IRS was long prohibited from using private companies to collect unpaid taxes. But the 2004 American Jobs Act allowed the agency to hire outside contractors.

The private collectors have been criticized by privacy advocates — who worry about the disclosure of sensitive tax information — and unions, who see contractors as taking away an inherently governmental function.

And the companies have struggled to prove their worth financially. The IRS estimated private collectors would bring in $65 million in revenues in 2007. They earned just $31 million. The IRS only received two-thirds of that money; the rest paid commissions for the debt collectors.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:31 AM
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6. No comment that when debt collectors violate the law, they will generally not sue you?
In my experience, if a debt collector is violating the Federal Debt Collection Law, they have no intention of ever filing a lawsuit against the debtor. The reason for this is that the Federal Debt Collection Law permits the Debtor to counter sue for any violation of the Federal Debt Collection Law. Given that situation, debtors who violation the law almost never sue, they just harass.

Most state's Attorney General will enforce the Federal Debt Collection Law AND similar state laws, so if you believe someone has violated the law contact your state's Attorney General. In Pennsylvania this is done by the Bureau of Consumer Affairs of the Pennsylvania Attorney General's Office (The toll free Number is 1-800-441-2555).
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:54 AM
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7. Many times, only individuals with a clear understanding of the law and their rights
know how to fight back or feel empowered to fight back.

In the courts in my area, nearly every day, Capital One files lawsuits in the thousands for a few hundred dollars in debt on credit cards against a workforce demographics with chronic slave-wages. Their actions are so robust that when Capital One cases are done, the courtroom is empty.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:09 AM
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8. Capital One is a bad creditor, but rarely, if ever Violates the Debt Collection Laws.
The thrust of this thread is violation of the law by Calls from Debt Collectors, not debt collections who follow the law. Capital One follow the law, they rarely if ever violate the Federal Debt Collection Law, which applies to the time BEFORE they file in Court. Capital One does sue almost all of its debtors, they get valid Judgments for Capital One almost never violates the law. 24% interest is excessive and Usury, but Congress has legalized Usury so that is NOT a Crime. The Law permits Creditors to include in the Credit Card Application that the Debtor will pay for the Attorney fees of Capital one (Which is what pushes up the judgments from the few hundred dollars given as Creditor to the thousands entered as Judgments). Between the 24% interest rates and the Attorney fees the amounts entered by the Courts a Judgments is excessive but legal. unlike the activities of Debt Collectors who violate the Federal Debt Collection Law.
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:30 AM
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9. Locals have complaints about Capital One collectors similar to FTC suit
These individuals recount abusive experiences outlined earlier in FTC suit. They were simply unaware they had legal recourse and if they are aware, they are without resources to take legal action. These are probably the reasons why there is under reporting of violations in this cottage industry.
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