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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 09:46 PM
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The Nader suspense is killing me. Will he? Won't he? Huh? Huh?
Ah, yes. Time to spread them cheeks, Democrats. I can smell the vaseline from here.

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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 09:48 PM
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1. You go first......
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 09:50 PM
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2. Agghhhh
that doesn't sound good.
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Kurt Remarque Donating Member (709 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 10:03 PM
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3. He needs a good spanking
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 12:09 AM
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6. or a small plane ride
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 12:26 AM
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7. wishing for someone's death is a time-honored liberal thing
NOT :eyes:
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 01:22 AM
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8. and so is a sense of humor
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:18 PM
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17. joking about someone's death?
quite a sense of humor you got there mitchum.You must be a riot at parties.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:04 PM
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20. Actually, I am...
Forkboy.
Parties are great. You've heard about them (I'm pretty sure)

Uh, the "joke" was about the vitriol directed against Nader. I guess I should have posted a disclaimer for the tonedeaf.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 10:45 PM
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4. Once Kucinich is out
Nader is in! Nader still might endorse the dem, but if its not Dennis, expect a three (conservative~independence perhaps four) way race. Dumb ass Dems should have expected this and planned for it. Kucinich, Braun, and Sharpton still have some endorsing (or winning) to do. Perhaps they will help Nader get behind thee.
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a_lil_wall_fly Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 02:09 AM
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9. I thought I read somewhere
Nader would sit this one out if it is a DK-Sharpton ticket????
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:17 AM
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10. "if it is a DK-Sharpton ticket"
then Bush won't need Nader to run
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coralrf Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:40 PM
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19. Why?
Nader is a fucking ego maniac that just wants to fuck with the election. He will run no matter if its a Chomsky/Marx ticket.

Do not fool yourself. Nader is first an asshole. Second a has been and third an egocentric. There is nothing else to the man.
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Doomsayer13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 11:04 PM
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5. He might run as an Indie
eitherway, I don't care much for his candidacy.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 12:06 PM
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11. no mystery here
Edited on Wed Dec-03-03 12:07 PM by goodhue
Nader more or less telegraphed way back last summer that he would likely run if Kucinich does not get the nomination. This is why Kucinich's candidacy is the only sure way to beat Bush. Assuming DK does not get nomination, then Nader will certainly run throwing states like MN, WI, NM, OR and others into play for the repukes. Those who think Nader won't pull 3-5% in such states are deluding themselves.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 03:18 PM
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12. You make Nader's campaign sound like a hostage situation
"Back off from the center, coppers, or the electorate gets it."
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 07:33 PM
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16. not me, Nader
See, e.g, this excerpt from July MSNBC story . . .

Kucinich has the potential to give Dean headaches. If Dean doesn’t hew to the left, at least on some issues, he risks losing some left-wing voters to Kucinich. These voters who had abandoned the Democratic Party are the ones Dean claims to be bringing back into it. Many of them voted for Green Party candidate Ralph Nader in 2000, when he won nearly 3 million votes.
Where will those voters migrate next year? Will they vote for Dean in the primaries? Or will they choose the more ideologically compatible Kucinich?
Nader — while not foreclosing the possibility of running himself in 2004 — has been pointed in his criticism of Dean.
“If you look at his record as governor, it’s a pretty mediocre record,” Nader recently said. “Someone said in Vermont that he’s the originator of the triangulation — part Republican, part Democrat. Very, very obeisant to corporate power up there.”
Nader also said last week that if support for Kucinich grew, he would have “less reason to go into the election.”

http://www.msnbc.com/news/937252.asp?cp1=1

The point is that likely Nader run is not new news. Nader indicated in July that he would likely run unless Kucinich gets the nomination. His smoke signals were hardly a kidnapping but rather a wake up call. But most are still snoozing.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 03:21 PM
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13. Not if we run Kucinich. Definitely if we run Dean.
Nader is opposed to a lot of the stuff Dean stands for so he would probably jump in if Dean gets the nomination.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 03:32 PM
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14. Maybe
but Kucinich wouldn't stand a chance against bush. At least Dean is a viable candidate.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 07:20 PM
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15. How Kucinich Beats Bush

If any Democrat has a history of attracting swing voters and "Reagan Democrats" in winning elections against better-funded Republican opponents, it is Dennis Kucinich. He has repeatedly defeated entrenched incumbents. He beat a Republican incumbent for mayor in 1977, for state senator in 1994 (overcoming the national right-wing tide) and for Congress in 1996.

His Congressional district includes the suburb of Parma, Ohio, described as "one of the original homes of the Reagan Democrats." An Ohio daily calls it a "conservative Democratic district," which he carried by 74% in 2002. Being a success there may be a better predictor of national success than holding statewide office in a liberal stronghold like Vermont or Massachusetts.

Kucinich is a winner because he builds Wellstone-like grassroots campaigns against bigger-spending opponents. He is a winner because of his blue collar roots and populism, reflected in his battles for heartland voters against unfair, corporate-friendly trade deals.

He is an unabashed progressive who wins because swing voters who don't agree with him on every issue still see him as a fighter for their interests, as someone who will put the interests of workers and middle-class consumers ahead of big-money interests. No Democrat is better positioned in 2004 to attract 'Reagan Democrats' and swing voters with a frontal attack on how Bush policies hurt them and favor the rich.

Republicans use "wedge" issues to pry away traditionally-Democratic white working class voters -- a tactic that has not succeeded against Kucinich. In '96, for example, Republicans used his support of gay rights as a wedge, and he stood firm and triumphed.

On the other side of the spectrum, no other candidate can attract disaffected voters, 3rd party voters and Ralph Nader supporters to the Democratic column like Kucinich. Across the country, Nader 2000 voters and Green Party sympathizers are joining his campaign, as are other 3rd party supporters.

It's been a long while since progressives and the Democratic base have been so motivated, and so angry -- over manipulation and deceit that began in the 2000 election and continued through the Iraq war (now finally catching up with the Bush team). No candidate can better tap into and mobilize the anger of the Democratic base than Kucinich, who has never wavered in his opposition, who has courageously led the way in exposing war manipulation, and who speaks with passion to the big issues that animate Democratic and progressive activists.

Kucinich has been a winner in a swing district in the swing state of Ohio. And Ohio has 20 electoral votes. It is the state that is key to national victory; only two candidates in the 20th century won the presidency without carrying Ohio.

Al Gore lost Ohio in 2000 despite the Herculean efforts of Kucinich, as vividly described by journalist James Ridgeway in an article written days before the election: "Kucinich is a shoo-in, but hauling Gore along will be a daunting task. Shuttling back and forth from Washington, Kucinich has put together an old-fashioned canvassing operation throughout Cleveland and its suburbs that is one of the largest such efforts in the nation. By election day, 400 to 500 people will be on the streets...

"Day after day, members of the laborers, electricians, plumbers, and steelworkers unions crowd into Kucinich's tiny office on Lorain Avenue, piling signs into the backs of cars and pickups before hitting the neighborhoods. The general approach is for volunteers to use Kucinich's name to get a foot in the door, then ask for support for a Democratic judge before uttering the vice president's name."

Kucinich's best efforts couldn't win Ohio for Gore in 2000, but Kucinich can win Ohio himself if he is the 2004 Democratic presidential candidate. And in presidential politics, as Bush-strategist Karl Rove knows well: As Ohio goes, so goes the nation.

http://www.kucinich.us/electable.php
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coralrf Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 10:37 PM
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18. "How Kucinich Beats Bush"
in your dreams...that is the only way.
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a_lil_wall_fly Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 01:47 AM
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21. Enough said....
go DKer's go...get the issues out on the behalf of you candidate.
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