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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 01:29 PM
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Surprising Mock Election Results
Edited on Wed Jul-30-03 02:23 PM by gottaB
The mock election was held at the Johnson County Fair in Iowa. Full results can be found here.

Candidate................No.....% of Party

Howard Dean...........191....44
John Kerry................62....14
Dennis Kucinich.........38.....9
Uncommitted Dem......35.....8
Dick Gephardt...........33.....8
John Edwards............25.....6
Joe Lieberman...........18.....4
Carol Moseley Braun...14.....3
Bob Graham..............10.....2
Al Sharpton................6.....1

Now, here's the kicker:

George Bush 208 95
Uncommitted Repub. 12 5

Hey, let's look at that again. Dems 432, Repubs 220.

Whoop Whoop!

How do you like them apples?


On edit: Fixed link
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 01:36 PM
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1. So democrats may be interested in voting this time around
Ya think?
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 02:48 PM
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12. You betcha
At the moment I expect massive turnout from general outrage, Deanie Babies, and Rainbow/PUSH.

And who knows, maybe the indecisiveness you see in some polls is like when you walk into an ice cream shop and it all looks so good, it takes a spell to make up your mind--but once you do decide you don't regret your choice.

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mndemocrat_29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 08:48 AM
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23. Great Analogy
n/t
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Gringo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 01:42 PM
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2. Link don't work.
Some PO'd GOPers in Johnson County pull it down?
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 01:45 PM
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4. Correct link
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 02:26 PM
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9. thanks
:hi:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 01:44 PM
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3. This is why
I still maintain that the 04 election will be a landslide of epic proportions for Dean (or another Dem candidate), but only if every Diebold machine is thrown into an incinerator before the election.
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 01:56 PM
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5. no, save a few for evidence
... just don't use them to count votes.
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mike6640 Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 01:57 PM
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6. I have always felt
That moderates and "liberals" have always been in the majority. However, Republicans do a much better job of showing up at the polls.

I feel that if all eligible voters actually exercized their right to vote, we would have only moderate Republicans (in minority) with a majority of Democrats holing the riegns of power.
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ThorsteinVeblen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 02:01 PM
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7. Looks about right.
Although I am surprised that Kerry actually got 14%. I would have put him under 10%.
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 11:39 AM
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24. very surprising
what numbers!
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 02:09 PM
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8. In reading the article it said they allowed children to vote
I don't know, it might not be and accurate perception, but I hope so.
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 02:56 PM
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13. that'd explain the votes for Bush
har har.

Actually, I think it's a good sign for Dems if they're generating enthusiasm among young parents (kind of assuming that children's politics reflects their parents' views.) Don't know about parents per se, but the married vote leaned heavily Republican in 2000 and 2002.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 02:30 PM
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10. Probably at a booth run by the Dean people
That problem has been discussed in the california groups. There is a concern that the Dean people are volunteering to take charge of booths to the exclusion of people for other candidates and then using the Party-funded booth as a Dean promotional. This may be an illegal soft money contribution.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 04:52 PM
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14. THEy do state that people from outside the are were allowed to vote
Edited on Wed Jul-30-03 04:59 PM by Nicholas_J
ANd did not indicate whether they doing so as well here. For a while the site was taken down.

Yup, Dean himself and hundred of pro his supporters were present in the County during this "MOCK ELECTION"

n this reporter's judgment, Ross Wilburn -- a 38-year-old Iowa City Council member and African-American, who is executive director of the Johnson County (Iowa City) crisis center that provides personal counseling, food and emergency assistance to those in trouble -- could very well be a major kingmaker in the 2004 selection of the next Democratic presidential nominee.

It's not because Ross Wilburn backs former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, the consensus "Rookie of the Year 2003," which he does. But because what Ross Wilburn and the Dean campaign volunteers are now doing could be a secret weapon in increasing dramatically the voter turnout in the Iowa caucuses, which ordinarily draw about 10 percent of the number who vote in the state's general elections.

In the last three years, the crisis center has been working overtime. Since 2000, the number of those needing emergency food assistance has gone up by 65 percent. This year's budget to buy food was entirely spent by April, three months before the end of the fiscal year. The staff has scrambled.

Johnson County people have responded with their time and their treasure. The number of regular volunteers has more than doubled. Those living at the margins have found encouragement and shelter from the sometimes-unforgiving world.

On a Thursday morning in July -- before heading to meet undecided voters in Keokuk County, Oskaloosa and Ottumwa -- Howard Dean joined his volunteers filling bags of groceries at the Johnson County Food Bank.

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/28/column.shields.opinion.dean/

Another stuff the ballot box scenario,like the Wisconsin Straw Polls.
That thursday morning in July, Thursday July 24th the date of the mock election.
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:09 PM
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15. Shame Shame
shame on Howard Dean and his supporters for having a food drive and helping out at a food shelf. What an awful thing to do. The article EVEN goes on to say that his supporters have committed to return evey week... not just when the cameras are there. HOW COULD THEY!!!!
/sarcasm
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:13 PM
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16. lol
How the fuck COULD THEY!?!
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:59 PM
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19. I thought the point
was winning elections in a way that George Bush didnt....


To present this as some sort of Dean voctory is where ther LOL's should come into place.

Dean arranges to be in a place where a mock election is going to be held amd 190 of his own supporters from outside of the county vote for him. I would have liked to see the results if you dedeucted Deans outside saupporterd from the mix. Sort of reminds me of the old thing that happened pre civil war when they started shipping PR-SLAVERY voters into Kansas to throw the election...

Deception is deception, and as I have noted often, frequently, Deans campaign and his supporters thrive on dishonesty and deception.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 06:22 PM
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20. Why do you hate Dean so much, Nic?
I understand your support for Kerry. Go to it.

Do you really believe Dean is the Devil? Being for Dean doesn't mean you won't vote for Kerry. Voting for the IWR, Patriot Act and a portion of Chimps tax cuts gives people pause. Can you not understand that?

Yes, Dean supporters support Dean. Likewise, Kerry supporters. Dishonesty and deception? C'mon, now. Words and VOTES. Questions:

1. Did Kerry vote for the IWR?

2. The Patriot Act?

3. The $350 billion dollar tax cut?


STOP!


If you honestly agree with those bills and resolutions, I'll never give you shit again.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:25 PM
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18. And?
Dude, get a grip.

Just because Dean's campaign is effective ...
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:22 PM
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17. "The winner was probably cheating,"
said the loser.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 02:34 PM
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11. Looks Like it Swings a Little Democratic
but not too much. Similar results from the 2000 election:


Al Gore (Democratic Party) 302

George W. Bush (Republican Party) 282

Ralph Nader (Green Party) 56

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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 07:06 PM
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21. look at the results of the 2000 mock election
at the Johnson co. Fair--it was startlingly close just as the 2000 election in Iowa was.
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 07:35 AM
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22. curious
I found a report on Iowa 2000 (small pdf). Gore squeaked a win out of Iowa, but Johnson County was 31,174 to 17,899 for Gore. Registered voters were almost two to one Dems over Pubs.

And yet going back to 1999 the Pubs in the mock election outnumbered Dems 393 to 302.

Ain't that peculiar?
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