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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:18 PM
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The Black Commentator: Two Civilized Men Among the Barbarians (DK&AS)
Dennis Kucinich and Al Sharpton

The character of much of what passes for debate in the United States signals that the nation has become the moral equivalent of Tobacco Road, a backwater of civilization.

Humankind has traveled a long journey since the time when some folks walked out of Africa, and others decided to stay. Yet at the American center of the Earths material wealth and military power, human progress has been short-circuited smothered by a ruling group bent on dragging the rest of the species down a social and moral dead end.

This hyper-aggressive group maintains an iron grip on both the mechanisms and the terms of civil discussion, retarding the rest of the citizenrys ability to think and speak like other humans privileged to live in the developed countries. American political conversation is becoming nonsensical, divorced from the very purposes of life.

Measured by the most minimal standards of the modern, industrial world, only two of ten Democratic candidates for President passed civilized muster at the September 25 debate in New York City: Rep. Dennis Kucinich and Rev. Al Sharpton. The rest of the field, to varying degrees, fail to even comprehend modern assumptions of what it is to be human, living among other humans.

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This is a powerful commentary -- read the whole piece!

I LOVE the Black Commentator, one of the best progressive voices on the web.

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undergroundrailroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:23 PM
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1. "I LOVE the Black Commentator, one of the best progressive voices
on the web"


Thanks for the post.

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Duder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:30 PM
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2. Good stuff...
Sharpton and Kucinich bring social justice to the national political conversation, for which they deserve our deepest gratitude. The Black activist preacher and the white leftist congressman speak to civilized values, without which the United States will become a failed nation.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:31 PM
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3. Damn good piece! Thanks for posting it

And may all those who read it, comprehend it and disregard it take a minute and look at their children, and grandchildren, then look in the mirror, then look at their children again.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:50 PM
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5. Thanks, all three of you, for responding!
I try to do my part to get folks to read the Black Commentator, it's such a special site, imho.

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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:48 PM
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4. This is unbelievably good...
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 09:50 PM by kenzee13
...I cannot remember when I last read anything so powerfull and so true. Many thanks for posting it.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 09:52 PM
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6. Thank you too!
So glad you found it powerful -- my reaction exactly!

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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:58 PM
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7. great site
thanks for posting this
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:42 PM
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8. So much more eloquent than I in explaining why I support DK
and admire Rev. Al. Thank you...But now I am discouraged. When 8 out of 10 don't see a social contract...?!

Gonna bust my b*** even more. Reprinting this at the cheap copy store, because MORE people need to see it.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:51 PM
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9. And yeah neither of them is going to come close to the
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 12:54 AM
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10. How nice.
And you just felt compelled to show up on this thread -- why? Not to discuss or analyze anything in the article, not to contribute to a dialogue, not to even so much as offer a supporting argument for your position.

No, you just drop your little scat of negativity and blithely go on your way. Why bother?

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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 01:37 AM
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11. Anatomy of a hit piece
Black commentator speaks of civilized language, of social justice, and a wide moral compass. So, what exactly is their problem with Carol Moseley Braun? Well, they didn't even try to misrepresent her positions on social security and trade. On the issue of health care they noted (paranthetically):
(Candidate Carol Moseley-Braun favors single-payer national health care, but reveals her barbaric side in other matters casting doubt on the moral grounding of all her positions, as we will explain, below.)

Leaving aside for the moment the logical fallacy--for one could well argue conversely that her position on health care reveals her civilized side, casting doubt on the immoral grounding of her other positions(s)-- leaving that aside, what does bc mean?

The issue they raise against Braun is funding for the troops in Iraq. But to make their points, they resort to mischaracterizing her actual positions, to the crassest kind of isogesis, and ad hominem attack. Let's set the record straight. Braun's statement in full:
I stand with the mothers of the young men and women who are in the desert in Iraq and who, right now, are in a shooting gallery without even sufficient supplies to sustain themselves. And so it is absolutely, I think, critical that we not cut and run, that we provide our troops with what they need and that we not just blow up that country and leave it blown up. We have a responsibility. Following in on that responsibility means we will have to vote some money. The estimates vary as to what that is. Almost a year ago, I called on this president not to go into Iraq, and I calledI called on the Congress not to give him the authority to go into Iraq. And at the same time, asked the question, "Mr. President, how much is this going to cost?" He didn't answer the question then. He's not answering the question now. But I believe it's going to be important for us to come up with the money to make certain that our young men and women and our reputation as leaders in the world is not permanently destroyed by the folly of preemptive war.

Contrary to bc's assertions, Braun is not arguing anything like "Manifest Destiny," or the Bush doctrine. Nor is she saying that "demonstrations of U.S. resolve are more important than other peoples national sovereignty." bc is putting up a strawman here. Read Braun's words yourselves. She's talking about responsibility, about taking care of the troops that are suffering now from inadequate supplies, and about not leaving Iraq all blown up. That says nothing about issues of soveriegnty, and certainly not Manifest Destiny. Carol does mention our reputation in the world, but Carol has never confused that concern with demonstrations of resolve, and all that that phrase is meant to imply. On the contrary, it has been her clearly stated view that our reputation depends upon our ability to work well with others, to be trusted not just to keep our word, but to be a force for peace and justice, to bring nations together, and not have our place in the world be defined by the letting loose of wanton destruction and greed, as is happening under the current administration.

The next paragraph in this hit piece is so offensive, so offensive to reason, I hardly know what to say. BC takes a grammatical error of Ms. Braun's and spins it into a demonstration of the logic of barbarism. Hello? Who here wants to stand by that argument?

This line of argument is truly unworthy of Sharpton and Kucinich and all that they stand for. It rests on a heap of logical fallacies. To review.

What's going on here? The truth is that BC has been hostile to Braun since day one. They encouraged the conspiracy theory that Braun is a DNC stooge meant to derail Sharpton and silence Black voters. They met challenges of that assertion with scorn and stubbornness. And yet the fact of the matter is Braun has been exploring the possibility of running for over a year now, and even Sharpton, realizing the legitimacy of her aspirations, even Sharpton has disavowed such speculations. But not Cedric Mohammed of Black Commentator. He won't let it die. I'm not one to comment on all of his biases, but from the topics he chooses to discuss, it does appear that justice for women is not one of his priorities, while injustice for Braun most definitely is.

Kucitizens, Sharptonites, I appeal to you. This is not the kind of praise your candidates deserve. I can think of a dozen reasons to vote for Al Sharpton, and a dozen more to vote for Dennis Kucinich. They are both fine candidates who are bringing important progressive issues into the spotlight, and who offer valuable perspectives on the concerns of our time. They are forces of social justice.

Their rivals, however, are not barbarians. If we're going to debate issues like funding for the soldiers in Iraq, let's get beyond sound bites and statements taken out of context and twisted to mean everything but what they say. Let's be civilized about it, please.

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acerbic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 01:52 AM
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12. Don't be so harsh... "The Black Commentator" has actually improved
This time they acknowledged that there's one white American who is not an evil warmongering racist. :eyes:
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 04:52 PM
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13. Excellent article... Right in line with the word on the street
Edited on Wed Oct-08-03 04:53 PM by Tinoire
(you know the street where the DLC shills fear to go) and other articles and postings on Black web-sites.

This year, you're not ignoring Blacks (or Liberals or Progressives) because if you do, there will be no dance.

"We help take you to the dance, and you leave with right-wingers, people who are antithetical to our history and antithetical to our interests. I say, in 2004, you're going home with us, or we're not taking you to the party!!!! "

Reverend Al Sharpton at the Presidential Debates
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 11:55 AM
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14. HELL YES says this straight white male
and a :kick: for good measure.

I've never heard of this site before, but it's now in my bookmarks :)
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