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KA Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:47 PM
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vote libermen in 2004
hi im new to this fourm

i just want to say every one should vote libermen next year

because he has the best chance of winning

and he will goveren from the center left like clinton
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audibledevil Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:47 PM
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1. your brave
but god bless you if you stand up for your candidate!
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KA Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:49 PM
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6. why
why am i brave for endorsing a canidate for the dem nomination on a fourm for democrats
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audibledevil Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:51 PM
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10. there are a lot of hard lefties here
who hate lieberman. I say brave in all seriousness though. Lieberman, outside of the war, is pretty much as strong a dem as any of them.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:51 PM
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:48 PM
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2. Lieberman can't win
He'll destroy Democratic GOTV, and half of the base will stay home or vote third party.

Also, you're the second Lieberman supporter I've seen at DU. Welcome...but you're likely to get flamed severely.
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jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:48 PM
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3. Thanks for the advice
and welcome to DU. :toast:
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:48 PM
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4. why would i vote for lieberman when i can vote for bush??
Edited on Mon Dec-15-03 11:50 PM by corporatewhore
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KA Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:51 PM
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9. u are off your rocker
if you think joe is as bad as bush
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:52 PM
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OhioStateProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 04:08 PM
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46. Joe ISN'T as bad as Bush
Edited on Tue Dec-16-03 04:08 PM by OhioStateProgressive
but he is very Right Wing, and far too right wing for me to ever vote for him

he is an honorable man, and I see nothing wrong with you publicly supporting him

welcome to DU :)
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:49 PM
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5. If you're goanna suggest who to vote for at least spell the candidate's
...name correctly. ;-)

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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:49 PM
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7. Thanks, but...
...I'm allergic to NeoCons, even one that claims to be a Democrat.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:50 PM
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:52 PM
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13. ding ding ding
let's see what Bush loves Jiang has won. . . a brand new Free Republic Frisbee!
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KA Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:55 PM
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16. ?
what are you talking about
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:19 AM
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30. We are talking about you being "oh, so obvious" eom
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:53 PM
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14. You've got to be kidding!
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:55 PM
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15. *Snicker*
Dude, you're funny. Keep it up :-)
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:57 PM
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17. Ok, lets....then we can go gargle with razor blades and...
Edited on Mon Dec-15-03 11:58 PM by liberal_veteran
...attack a hornet's nest while naked.


Oh, and welcome to DU!
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kixot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:58 PM
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18. No thank you.
Sorry, he's just not presidential material enough for me. He can keep his senate seat as far as I'm concerned.
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KA Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:59 PM
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19. ?
kixot

are you in sigma delta omega
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kixot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:01 AM
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20. no
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:05 AM
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21. Firstly, welcome to the boards.
Lieberman is more conservative than Bill Clinton.

Lieberman voted for the Securities Litigation Reform Act, which made it more difficult for misled investors to sue corporations.

Clinton vetoed the SLRA.

Lieberman and others overrode Clinton's veto.

Some believe that the SLRA made companies feel they could lie with impunity, and encouraged the Enron scandal.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:07 AM
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22. Lieberman is an embarrassment to Dems everywhere.
If he won the nomination, I'd hold my nose and pull the lever, but I can't see myself walking the precinct for him.
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KA Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:11 AM
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23. fine
walk to beat bush
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JaySherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:13 AM
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25. We all want to defeat Bush.
But what good will it do if his replacement is only marginally better?
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:12 AM
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24. What the hell is Liberman going to say during debates?
Bush: I sent our troops over to Iraq to combat terrorism.
Liberman: I supported the president in that. Good call.

Bush: I will appoint more pro-life judges to federal courts including the Supreme Court so Roe V. Wade can be overturned.
Liberman: Couldn't agree more.

Bush: The cause for violence in society can be layed directly at the foot of Hollywood.
Liberman: Amen, brother!

Bush: Sometimes I like to wear nothing but chaps in the Oval Office then pretend to drop things around Condi Rice so that I have to bend over and pick them up in front of her.
Liberman: An admirable trait for a president to have.

TlalocW
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KA Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:15 AM
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26. come on
there is a difference between bean for choice witch i am

and for partial birth abortion
witch im not for
nor libermen
or dashale
or bayh
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:18 AM
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28. Come on, yourself
There is nothing of any import that Liberman can distinguish himself from Bush on. That's the whole point.

TlalocW
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:23 AM
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:39 AM
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34. spelling mistakes should be accepted
An inability to spell is a disability some people have. It's unrelated to intelligence. You wouldn't make fun of someone for stuttering, which is also unrelated to intelligence, and you shouldn't criticize someone over spelling.

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He loved Big Brother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:32 AM
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41. Not true, in my anal opinion.
;-)

If you spell that badly, my impression is that you don't read a lot. If you don't read a lot, you probably don't know much about the subject at hand that is being discussed. I think it's a mistake to dismiss bad grammar. I believe grammar is a relevent tool for insight into a person's level of knowledge. Or at least, it is for me.

Reasons such as dyslexia and the like being the exception, of course.
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 01:22 AM
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39. You are not a witch? n/t
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:17 AM
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27. No.
He'd lose in a landslide to Bush.
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KA Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:19 AM
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29. ?
if libermen cant beat bush

why would a more liberal dean beat him
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:45 AM
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36. do you have ANY recollection of the 02' election???
we NEED the base and the base ain't comin out for loserman.
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Cloud Donating Member (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 01:33 AM
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40. I actually respect Lieberman
I believe he has fought for core democratic ideals and is a good man. I don't believe he is electable. I don't mean to sound mean or anything but he is a Jew. I don't think America will elect a Jew any time soon. Hey, it was hard enough to get a Catholic president elected.
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lcordero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 01:39 AM
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59. I can't believe that
If Feingold were to declare right now, I would walk to pass out flyers until the bottom of my sneakers fell out.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 06:47 AM
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43. Lieberman can't because he is unappealing and unexciting.
Dean has the opposite traits. Also, Dean is not that much of a liberal. If opposition to the war in Iraq pushes you off into the lunatic fringe then maybe, but I don't believe it does.
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jadesfire Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 01:49 PM
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54. Dean isn't a liberal
The great misconception of this campaign...

We only need to look at how he held IBM's hand and expidited permits to allow them to dump pollutants into the air and water. We could also look at the the deal he made with the Govs of Maine and Texas (who happened to be George W. Bush...) to transport their low-level radioactive nuclear waste to Texas and dump it in a poor community.

For more info on this here are a few links, the first one is a press statement from the late Senator Paul Wellstone:

http://www.angelfire.com/tx/atomicveteran/page6.html
http://www.lulac.org/Issues/letters/SBlanca.html
http://www.nirs.org/newsreleases/tx4-98prsen.html
http://www.social-ecology.org/learn/library/tokar/nucle...
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/4745/LLRW/Te...
http://www.amarillonet.com/stories/033101/tex_proposed....



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KA Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:22 AM
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31. after all
libermen and bush can say
if dean were in power sadam would be in power
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:37 AM
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:42 AM
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35. Some people can't spell. Don't hold it against them.
Some people can't spell. Don't hold it against them.

We each have abilities and weaknesses.
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JaySherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 01:02 AM
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37. But there has yet to be any real justification for going in there:
Edited on Tue Dec-16-03 01:09 AM by JaySherman
When Saddam was in power he was, it has been said, "Effectively the Mayor of Baghdad." Even in power he represented no threat to U.S. interests anymore, unless you count the need for more oil to fuel our SUV's. No WMD's have been found, and it's highly unlikely any will be found. Meanwhile we've got troops being killed over there every day. Our military is streched way to thin, when other threats like N. Korea should merit much greater attention. In addition this war has been a major drain on our resources at home, forcing the diversion of funding from nearly every domestic program, including domestic counter terrorism. So, our sons and daughters are bogged down in a quagmire being killed, Al'Qaeda is running loose in Iraq where it wasn't before, our economy is in shambles, and the rest of the world hates us because of this war. Where would we be if Saddam was still the Mayor of Baghdad? Let's see: our country wouldn't be carry a national debt our grandchildren will be paying, the international goodwill from 911 wouldn't be squandered, our vulnerability to another major terrorist strike wouldn't be worse than it was before 911, and most importantly, 460+ young men and women would still be alive and 1000's more would still have arms, legs, and sanity.

So what's the problem?

Edited for typos
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 01:19 AM
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38. This is mostly an anti-war group here. So good luck.
BTW, if Lieberman gets the nomination, I'll vote for him.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:47 AM
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42. ROTFL MAO!!!
Thanks! I needed a laugh!


You were kidding , right?
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a_lil_wall_fly Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 02:00 PM
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44. I respect your views and values of supporting Sen. Lieberman..but
I don't think he will win against the talking house. He would be better as a Senator or senior cabinet appointee.
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KA Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 03:54 PM
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45. explain to me
why if liberman is unelectable how dean is. it seams mathmatical to me if liberman cant win a more liberal dean cant win also.
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Aloha_Texan Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 04:47 PM
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47. Welcome to DU KA.
Hey man, whats up. I gotta warn ya, I'm a serious Dean guy, but i gotta give you some mad respect for your reply "Do it to beat Bush". Leiberman is probably my least favorite candidate but you know I'd bust ass to get him elected over Bush.
I might be able to answer your question as to why the most conservative wont always win. You see there has to be a clear distinction between the candidates or the dems lose. This is what happened in 2002. Leiberman will inspire a lot of die hard liberals to give Nader another try. Also America seems more conservative then it really is. Alot of the time the media (namely Fox) paints a picture of a very conservative america but many americans are pro-choice (thank God for chicks), secular, tolerant, peaceful people, who just happen to get really freaked out everyonce and awhile.

- Aloha Texan
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Aloha_Texan Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 04:52 PM
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48. My bad
Your awesome reply was "walk to beat Bush". I like it !!
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 07:30 AM
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51. Moderate doesn't always mean more electable.
People have to like the candidate and the fact that Lieberman has 40% unfavorability ratings among Democrats while Dean has roughly 10% unfavorable ratings and 75% favorable in the early states speaks volumes. Lieberman would dramatically damage the party's base.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 07:21 AM
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49. Excuse me, but as far as your spelling goes
I believe at least one child was left behind...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 07:28 AM
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 08:14 AM
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52. If people want to vote for a Republican, they'll vote for Bush...
FYI
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SoFlaJets Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 01:04 PM
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53. NEVER
NEVER NEVER-I'd just as soon vote for Pat Paulsen or Ralph the spoiler B4 I waste my vote on this wolf in sheeps'clothing
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 05:34 PM
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55. Why I would never vote for Lieberman...
Edited on Wed Dec-17-03 05:35 PM by election_2004
1. He has teamed up with George W. Bush and Rick Santorum to rally for PUBLICLY-FUNDED faith-based initiatives. He has also sponsored his own legislation to give taxpayer-funded vouchers to parents who wish to send their children to parochial schools (Holy Joe, Corporate Joe, G.I. Joe: Will the real Senator Lieberman please stand up?, Doug Ireland, LA Weekly, 7/11-17/03).

2. He was a stronger supporter of Bushs 2002 Iraq resolution than Gephardt was.

3. In fact, Lieberman teamed up with Trent Lott in 1998 to push for the Iraqi Liberation Act, which made the goal of regime change in Iraq an official part of U.S. foreign policy (Man of Peace?, Dan Levine, The Valley Advocate, 2/27/03).

4. He has opposed letting patients sue HMOs for punitive damages (Does Joe Lieberman Really Hold the Moral High Ground?, David Morse, The San Francisco Chronicle, 8/23/00).

5. Lieberman supported a watered-down version of Star Wars promoted by Clinton/Gore, even when there were billions of dollars unallocated that could be spent on social improvements across the globe (Does Joe Lieberman Really Hold the Moral High Ground?, David Morse, The San Francisco Chronicle, 8/23/00).

6. He supports the death penalty for minors.

7. In 2000 on the campaign trail with Gore, Lieberman advocated tapping into the Strategic Oil Reserve.

8. He has voted for federal support of private school vouchers (after being picked as Gores running mate, Lieberman later claimed he would support Gores anti-voucher stance, but also said he would privately push for vouchers).

9. While Lieberman was Chairman of the Senate Government Affairs committee, did he ever bother to investigate Bushs role in the California energy crisis, as hed promised he would? No . . .

10. In fact, while chairing the Government Affairs committee, Lieberman failed to subpoena any Bush Administration officials, or conduct any degree of meaningful investigation into the White Houses involvement with Enron (The Tyranny of Triangulation: Can Joe Lieberman Lead?, Nicholas Confessore, The American Prospect, 5/20/02).

11. He voted for Fast Track.

12. Lieberman and former U.S. Senator Sam Nunn (D-GA) were two integral designers of the Dont Ask, Dont Tell policy (which offers no protections for closeted gay soldiers who are harassed due to other soldiers bigoted suspicions).

13. He teamed up with Hillary Clinton to push for the passage of the Media Marketing Accountability Act of 2001 (S.790; H.R. 2246), which could give the federal government greater power to regulate and dictate acceptability standards for entertainment content.

14. He was a top advocate of the Biomaterials Access Act, which gave large corporations such as Dow and DuPont immunity from lawsuits relating to their defective medical implants that they manufactured (Holy Joe, Corporate Joe, G.I. Joe: Will the real Senator Lieberman please stand up?, Doug Ireland, LA Weekly, 7/11-17/03).

15. He voted for several Republican balanced budgets.

16. Lieberman initially praised Proposition 209 (which banned affirmative action in California) in 1995, but then backed off of his support for the referendum after being publicly denounced by Jesse Jackson and other civil rights groups. So that means he either doesnt bother to do his research on some issues, or he only defends his convictions if its politically convenient for him? (Mildly Ambitious: Is Joe Lieberman Up for 2004?, James Traub, The New York Times, 6/10/01)

17. He supported the 1989 capital gains tax cut (Who is Joe Lieberman?, Dr. Manning Marable, Black Light Online, 9/21/00).

18. Joe Lieberman not only supported John Ashcrofts plan to privatize the TIPS (Terrorism Information and Prevention System) program (which allows citizens to phone a hotline to report suspicious signs of terrorism), but as Chairman of the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee, Lieberman blocked a Homeland Security bill amendment by Senator Pat Leahy (D-VT) that would have prohibited the federal funding of programs that encouraged citizens to spy on other citizens (New Life for Operation TIPS, Dave Lindorff, Salon, 8/30/02; Holy Joe, Corporate Joe, G.I. Joe: Will the real Senator Lieberman please stand up?, Doug Ireland, LA Weekly, 7/11-17/03).

19. He pushed for corporate stock options.

20. In a 1998 speech (documented by the Congressional Record on 7/10/98), Lieberman stated that not all people who condemn homosexuality should be accused of bigotry, because, according to Lieberman, some of these people with anti-gay religious beliefs have sincerely held morally based views (Defending Our Morality, Paul Varnell, Chicago Free Press, 8/16/00).

21. He voted to increase the governments power to wiretap cell phones.

22. Senator Lieberman referred to Iraqi National Congress leader Ahmed Chalabi as a person of strength, principle and real national commitment. Chalabi was convicted on more than 30 counts of embezzlement, fraud, and theft, and is a friend of Richard Perle. Speculation remains that the Bush Administration hopes to ultimately install Chalabi as Iraqi president in a puppet regime (Our man in Iraq, Joe Conason, The New York Observer, 4/09/03).

23. He has supported the privatization of Social Security.

24. Unapologetic about his support for the preemptive war in Iraq, Lieberman has accused John Kerry of being ambivalent regarding Kerrys support for the war, and Lieberman has also painted Howard Dean as an unelectable extremist for opposing the war (Lieberman Rejects Strategy of Running to the Left, Jim VandeHei, The Washington Post, 8/19/03). The fact is, Kerry still voted the exact same way Lieberman did to authorize the War in Iraq, plus Kerry has a strong defense background that Lieberman lacks. Dean, not being a U.S. Senator, was unable to cast a vote on preemptive war, but Dean had expressed support for military action in Iraq only if the U.N. supported such actions.

25. Lieberman has a recent ACLU voting record of only 25% (far lower than his opponents for the Democratic nomination).

26. Mere hours after his presidential candidacy announcement, Liebermans campaign began spamming web-users via a bulk-mailing service called Constant Contact (distributed by Roving Software), which sent unsolicited pro-Lieberman email spam to individuals whose names were involuntarily collected - - including the inbox of the Electronic Frontier Foundation founder John Gilmore. Lieberman has publicly condemned electronic spamming and claims to be anti-spam - - yet when Lieberman sponsored the CAN-SPAM legislation, he and its other sponsors created a loophole for themselves (and their political campaigns) in which anti-spam legislation would only apply to commercial outlets ("Perspective: Hail to the . . . spammer-in-chief?, Declan McCullagh, CNET News, 1/20/03).

27. He voted to reject the use of racial statistics in death penalty appeals.

28. He voted against a 1999 pay increase for servicemen and servicewomen (despite his supposed praise of the U.S. military under the Clinton Administration.

29. He supported Clintons military base closures in May of 1999 (even though Lieberman claimed to support maintenance of the U.S.s (supposedly) strong military when he ran for vice-president in 2000.

30. In July 2003, Lieberman skipped an appearance in front of the NAACP in order to fundraise for his presidential campaign in New York and tape an appearance on The OReilly Factor (Gephardt, Lieberman hit bumps on trail, Glen Johnson, The Boston Globe, 7/21/03)

31. He joined with Bill Bennett to sponsor the Silver Sewer Awards for immoral video games.

32. At a 1994 press conference that he jointly held with Bennett on television violence, Lieberman was asked by reporters to name a favorite entertainment television program as an example of what he would consider wholesome. After much hesitation, Lieberman finally named Touched By An Angel after hearing on of his aides whisper it. (Lieberman Versus Hollywood, Paul Farhi, The Washington Post, 12/7/03).

33. During a 2003 presidential campaign stop at a diner in Stamford, Connecticut, Liebermans bodyguards removed a young activist named Chris Sare from the diner after Sare - - cattily yet non-violently and non-agressively - - took a sarcastic verbal dig at Lieberman while shaking his hand (His Moment of Truth, Michael Leahy, The Washington Post, 6/29/03). So is this how the Lieberman campaign is going to handle dissent - - simply eliminate it from having a public voice?

34. He voted against a 1995 proposal to increase the ban on Congressional gifts from special interests.

35. In 1998, the NAACP gave Lieberman a grade of D on their annual report card (Holy Joe, Corporate Joe, G.I. Joe: Will the real Senator Lieberman please stand up?, Doug Ireland, LA Weekly, 7/11-17/03).

36. From 1994 to 1999, Lieberman served as co-chair for the Center for Jewish and Christian values, a project of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews (featuring the likes of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell) and a group that has been known to structure foreign policy based on biblical prophecy (What About Those End Times, Mr. President?, Edward Ericson, The Hartford Advocate, 1/16/03).

37. Lieberman and anti-gay Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA) are co-chairmen of The Empowerment Network, an organization that spearheads faith-based initiatives and culturally conservative solutions to social ills (Holy Joe, Corporate Joe, G.I. Joe: Will the real Senator Lieberman please stand up?, Doug Ireland, LA Weekly, 7/11-17/03).

38. He has supported the U.S. sales of F-15s to Israel and Saudi Arabia.

39. Citigroup, the top lender of Enron, is the Liebermans largest financial donor, having contributed $112,000 to Liebermans campaigns since 1997 FTC (Lieberman feels the sting of criticism over Enron, Don Von Natta, Jr., The New York Times, 1/21/02). How does Lieberman expect to credibly investigate Enron when his campaign has benefited from Enrons cash flow?

40. According to lobbyists and executives who work for Hollywood and the Entertainment Industry - - including Geraldo Rivera and Barbara Streisand - - Lieberman has gone after particular television shows and entertainment products during his crusades without really knowing a whole lot about the content that hes criticized. Joe Lieberman is apparently very good at finger-wagging, but sometimes fails to familiarize himself with the subject matter of what hes attacking (Lieberman Versus Hollywood, Paul Farhi, The Washington Post, 12/7/03).

41. He voted against cutting U.S. nuclear weapons below START treaty levels (like the U.S. doesnt already have enough nuclear weapons that could potentially obliterate the entire world with some to spare!).

42. Lieberman promoted Charles Murrays (author of The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life) idea to relocate children of single mothers on welfare into federally-run orphanages (Holy Joe, Corporate Joe, G.I. Joe: Will the real Senator Lieberman please stand up?, Doug Ireland, LA Weekly, 7/11-17/03).

43. He supported the 1994 amendment authored by Jesse Helms that cut off federal funding to any school district that utilized educational materials that supported homosexuality (Who is Joe Lieberman?, Dr. Manning Marable, Black Light Online, 9/21/00).

44. He has consistently sponsored and supported efforts, proposals, and legislation to induce censorship of the Entertainment Industry, which includes his 2001 proposal to fine the FTC (Bush Just Says No To Hollywood Probe, Pamela McClintock, Variety, 6/22/01).

45. He co-founded, along with Lynn Cheney, the American Council of Trustees and Alumni (an organization known for blackballing college professors who are too liberal) in 1995.

46. He was the only Democrat to oppose the nomination of Sheldon Hackney (former President at the University of Pennsylvania) to become president of the National Endowment for the Humanities (Who is Joe Lieberman?, Dr. Manning Marable, Black Light Online, 9/21/00).

47. Lieberman - - aided by William F. Buckley - - was endorsed by The National Review during his 1988 U.S. Senate race against Lowell Weicker . . . a liberal Republican who despised Nixon. In fact, Buckley started a PAC on Liebermans behalf for his U.S. Senate campaign (Ask the Angels Scorn - - Joe Lieberman: Yankee Tartuffe, Ross Vachon, CounterPunch, 2/25/03; Scoop Jackson Democrat: Senator Joseph Liebermans Case for Economic and Military Strength, Adam Meyerson, Policy Review, Summer 1990, No. 53; Holy Joe, Corporate Joe, G.I. Joe: Will the real Senator Lieberman please stand up?, Doug Ireland, LA Weekly, 7/11-17/03).
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rabz_blairite Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 06:56 PM
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56. 
Just because he isnt a bleeding heart liberal doesnt mean he hasnt got a message worth listening to. Im not a Lieberman supporter, but I think too many people here ignore what some of his policies really stand for, he wishes to cut the taxes for most of the middle classes and small business this is a policy that has worked and will work again.
He has stood out against Bushs special interests. His economic policies are sensible. Policies that create 10 million jobs, and doesnt cut on safety.
A lot of the other Dem candidates will take America in the wrong direction, we must all believe that we must go forward not backwards to the policies that got us Dems stuck.
What I like about Lieberman is that he will be fair on the American workers, but not revert to protectionism.
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dutihampi Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 07:26 PM
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57. I agree we must go forward...
not backwards. Leiberman is not a step in the right direction...
What happened in '02 was the fact that we have too many Dems
trying to sound like republicans. I'm somewhat moderate myself,
I'm pro-life, but I'm very much against the war in Iraq. I'm also
against Dems who vote with republicans, on regular basis, on
key issues that go against what the Democratic party stands for.
And Zell and Joe are prime examples of the cause that we lost in '02.

I think Ann Richards said it best, "When Democrats vote Democrats win."
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 01:13 AM
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58. "going forward"
Lieberman talks a good game about moving forward with "new ideas"...but most of his so-called "new ideas" are simply recycled Year 2000 remnants of the Gore/Lieberman platform.
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Rich Hunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:32 AM
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60. oh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
my sides are splitting. this is the funniest thread ever.
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