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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 03:07 PM
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DUers Katrina Research Thread: Organized by categories
I am starting this thread to organize information about hurricane Katrina. Please please please help keep this site organized. We need a place where people can find information fast. Here is the design. First I will establish categories as replies to the original post. Each of these will be like a folder. If you have links to articles please put them in the right folder-reply-post. The folder-reply-category-posts will have names such as the following:

Before K: Info about the likely consequences Scientific articles
Befork K: Info about likely consequences madia articles
Before K: What the Government knew
Just before K: Weather and news alerts
Just before K: Govt action..city, state, fed
Before K: FEMA
During K: FEMA
After K: FEMA

If you add any information to these categories, please format the information as follows:

subject line: date first, title of article

message area: link to the article(that has been refreshed), brief description of the article or post from it so that someone can immediately figure out what it is about.

Please use this thread only to organize material into categories. If you do not see your category already listed, please only add new categories if you use the format listed above: pre- K, during K, and after K. Tomorrow we will start a new category called after September 8.

Please also do not use this thread to post replies, comments, or request for information.

Thanks for your understanding and patience while I get this organized. If you want to help in this endeavor, I would love to have your support. I am no Lone Ranger and could use help getting this organized. If you can help, please PM me and I will get back to you as soon as possible.

Thanks so much : grouphug:
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 03:13 PM
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1. Pre K. Weather reports and damage predictions just before storm.
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 03:20 PM by mom cat
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 03:19 PM
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2. Aug 29: Expert: Katrina could unleash disaster...CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/28/katrina.doomsday/...

Expert: Katrina could unleash disaster

Monday, August 29, 2005; Posted: 11:54 a.m. EDT (15:54 GMT)


Levees, such as this one along Bayou Lafourche, are vulnerable because they're made of earth, an expert says.

-- Flooding from Hurricane Katrina's Monday landfall could wreak catastrophe on New Orleans, overwhelming the city's water and sewage systems and leaving survivors in a bowl of toxic soup, a top hurricane expert said.

more
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 03:28 PM
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3.  Aug 29: DU thread: New Orleans braces for monster hurricane
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 03:36 PM by mom cat


What DU knew on Aug 29th It is amazing! http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 07:46 AM
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249. Buses were used to PU people at 12 locations:
Buses were used to pick up people at 12 locations - Prior to storm
Edited on Fri Sep-09-05 04:59 AM by DoYouEverWonder

Sunday, August 28, 2005

Around 112,000 Orleanians do not own cars, according to census data. Nagin urged those people to seek rides with friends, family, neighbors and church members. Those who could not find rides were urged to get to the Superdome as quickly as possible.

Regional Transit Authority buses were scheduled to ferry people to the dome from 12 locations around the city beginning at noon today.

Meantime, to make sure word of the mandatory evacuation gets out, Nagin said that police and fire crews would be driving through neighborhoods Sunday with bullhorns, directing people to leave.

The evacuation order contained exemptions for certain people, including city, state and federal officials, inmates of the parish prison, those in hospitals, tourists staying in hotels and members of the media.

An emergency order Nagin announced Sunday in declaring the mandatory evacuation gives authorities the right to commandeer private buildings and vehicles including boats as they see fit.

The mayor did not say which buildings might be seized for public use. For the time being, the Superdome will be used as a shelter of last resort for those unable to evacuate the city. If the dome fills to capacity, other buildings could be appropriated, Nagin said.

Nagin said the domes availability to residents doesnt mean that going there is a good idea.


http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlo ...


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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 02:02 PM
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538. This link is dead...does anyone have a copy of it?
TIA
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 03:54 PM
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265. 9/9: Simulation Just Pre-K Predicted 61,290 Dead
Hurricane Simulation Predicted 61,290 Dead
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

By RON FOURNIER and TED BRIDIS

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050909/ap_on_re_us/katrina... ;_ylt=AotFRjeFf_Ee0quwpSe6Qums0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MjBwMWtkBHNlYwM3MTg

- As Katrina roared into the Gulf of Mexico, emergency planners pored over maps and charts of a hurricane simulation that projected 61,290 dead and 384,257 injured or sick in a catastrophic flood that would leave swaths of southeast Louisiana uninhabitable for more than a year.

These planners were not involved in the frantic preparations for Katrina. By coincidence, they were working on a yearlong project to prepare federal and state officials for a Category 3 hurricane striking New Orleans.

Their fictitious storm eerily foreshadowed the havoc wrought by Category 4 Katrina a few days later, raising questions about whether government leaders did everything possible as early as possible to protect New Orleans residents from a well-documented threat.

After watching many of their predictions prove grimly accurate, "Hurricane Pam" planners now hope they were wrong about one detail the death toll. The 61,290 estimate is six times what New Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin has warned people to expect.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 01:05 PM
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315. 2004, pre-election:
EXCLUSIVE!!! FEMA Chief Brown Paid Millions in False Claims to Help Bush W
http://jasonleopold.blogspot.com/2005/09/exclusive-fema ...

snip - Michael Brown, the embattled head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, approved payments in excess of $31 million in taxpayer money to thousands of Florida residents who were unaffected by Hurricane Frances and three other hurricanes last year in an effort to help President Bush win a majority of votes in that state during his reelection campaign, according to published reports.


Much more at the above link.

And now we know why George will never fire him.

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 08:12 PM
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348. Sept 10: Santorum slams pre K weather forecasting!
Santorum criticizes Weather Service
Has sponsored bill to prevent government weather notices, to benefit private companies, including donor

Saturday, September 10, 2005

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

By Maeve Reston, Post-Gazette National Bureau

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Rick Santorum, who has sponsored legislation to limit the information that the National Weather Service can provide to the public, told radio reporters this week that Congress should investigate whether the federal agency's initial warnings on the severity of Hurricane Katrina were adequate.

The Pennsylvania Republican's remarks drew fire from a union representing employees of the National Weather Service, which is a subsidiary of the U.S. Commerce Department's National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration. They also were closely scrutinized by Democrats, who have contended that his legislation is intended to benefit private weather companies, at least one of which has contributed to his campaign.

During a conference call that Santorum conducted with Pennsylvania radio reporters Thursday, a public radio correspondent asked him about the weather service's performance in preparing Gulf Coast residents for Hurricane Katrina and whether the rescue and recovery response could have been improved if his legislation had been law.

Santorum said he didn't think the weather service had given "sufficient warning" initially about the hurricane's path or what its impact would be when it hit Florida. He said he was "not going to suggest there were any major errors," but that the adequacy of the warnings should to be investigated along with other aspects of how government agencies have dealt with Katrina.



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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:36 AM
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390. 9/11 (orig post 9/5) Prior Knowledge Laundry List
Katrina 'Prior Knowledge' Laundry List:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 03:39 PM
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4. Post K: Aid to NOLA blocked
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 03:44 PM
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5. Sept 2: National guard not allowing aid into the city
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 03:49 PM by mom cat
http://neworleans.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/3941.php
National Guard not allowing aid into the city
by SB Friday, Sep. 02, 2005 at 1:11 AM

Also. minstrel Boy's thread on this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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preciousdove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 05:19 PM
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6. ongoing, Katrina Evacuee Relocation Thread
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 05:21 PM by preciousdove
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 02:45 AM
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151. Timeline of aid prevention and refusal:
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:17 AM
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202. Sept 3: Red Cross barred from NOLA
http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html#4...

Disaster FAQs (Red Cross web site)

Hurricane Katrina: Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans?
Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.

The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 06:47 PM
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280. Homeland Security
LA Homeland Security *confirms* ARC kept out!
by shock
Fri Sep 2nd, 2005 at 21:24:54 PDT
I just called the (Federal) Dept. of Homeland security (202-282-8000) and asked them the following question:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/3/02454/07418

LA Homeland Security *confirms* ARC kept out!


"Is it true what the American Red Cross has reported that they have not been allowed into the city of New Orleans by the DHS since Hurricane Katrina because their 'presence would keep people from evacuating'"?

First, they put me on hold. Then I heard 2 beeps and the click that I assume means they were recording me. Then they asked me my name. (I told them, but now I sort of regret it...) Then they transferred me to Chris at the "Law Enforcement Fusion Desk". I read my question again.

snip
Then I asked who at the DHS was responsible for the policy that kept the Red Cross out.

He said that would have to be Michael Chertoff.


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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 01:14 PM
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433. 9/13 E-mail from friend Re- a Cameraman's View
(He mentions that the Red Cross COULD easily get in if they wanted to, but that they and most of the media seemed to be afraid--but that it wasn't really that dangerous, because all the cameraman encountered while criss-crossing the city were exhausted pleas for help.)

Katrina: a cameraman's journal in NOLA <http://www.boingboing.net/2005/09/13/katrina_a_camerama... >
Xeni Jardin:

Excerpt from a personal diary written by a friend who's a news cameraman working in New Orleans. Name and affiliation withheld by request. This was written on Sunday, September 4th, six days after the storm hit.

New Orleans - The Real Story
Its September 4th in New Orleans, and unfortunately - no one is getting it right, not the Feds, the State, the Local folks or the media. Im sure that many people are trying, but for what ever reason- it is a rotting, deteriorating mess.
Im only writing this because of what I watched on tv last night. It was the first chance Ive had to see some of the coverage and what I watched was pathetic. I sensed it yesterday when, amongst the chaos of the unfolding disaster, you realized some of the differences between what is happening here compared to major calamities weve endured recently.
There are almost no news crews in the field trying to cover the story. Hundreds, if not thousands of media people are in the region - but I have driven back and forth through some of the worst neighborhoods in the city and you dont see them. You dont see the National Guard..you dont see ANYONE, except for the poor unfortunate souls wandering the streets looking for food or water. Many of them are on their last legs; they are literally not long for this world. It is surreal; its like a zombie scene from Dawn of the Dead. Its disgraceful that in our times, we are seeing the complete disintegration of our ability to care for our own.
This is a racist issue, theres no other way to look at it. These are the poorest of the poor. The people left behind in New Orleans are there for one reason only; they had no means to remove themselves from the city. Everyone who could get out, got out.
Whats missing from the rescue is apparent to anyone. A simple plan. Its like no one ever gave it a real thought. Simple things like storage of emergency rations, clothing, tents, etc. in strategic locations.communications that allow different entities to talk to one another, emergency plans and routing for moving large numbers of people (easily done with the hundreds of public and school transit buses available locally), and the list goes on. Everyone on the street that I have met is so grateful for anything that you can give them. You have to be careful or you could start a riot just giving away a bottle of water.
Driving or walking through the flood area, you see people in the shadows on every block. As you walk around - they come out and they are so dehydrated, carrying babies, or leading you to their father or their mother or a friend who needs help. They all say that they want to get out; they just dont have a way. And they uniformly complain about the police not stopping to help. Over and over you hear the same thing....They just drawin down on people, meaning they are pulling their guns.
I can only judge from what I saw, but in walking through the worst areas, every looter I saw was taking food and water. They could be shot for entering supermarkets, which by the way are mostly fully stocked with food, water, juices and soda. Its disgraceful, its been almost a week and yet there seems as though no one in Washington, or Baton Rouge who gets the enormity of what is unfolding.
There are dead bodies on the street. Yesterday, I watched as a man tried to flag down a cop. There was a middle aged woman who had been dead for days, and yet no authority seems concerned. We can see that there was no plan for the living, but you would think that there would be some respect for the dead. When he was finally able to get a cop to stop - not an easy thing to do since they drive through at such high speed. the cop said that they didnt care about removing bodies. Someones mother, or child, she was still there late last night as I drove out.
I have driven from one end of New Orleans to the other - a drive of over 7 miles, and repeatedly not seen one cop, guardsman, trooper. And where is the Red Cross? Not ONE. Everyone on the street says, Wheres the Red Cross? I gave them so much money after 9/11 and the tsunami - wheres the Red Cross. The cops Ive asked say they are not here because they are afraid. The Red Cross says that the authorities are not letting them in the city. I find that hard to believe. The police cant even secure a few blocks, let alone keep the Red Cross out. Helping victims in New Orleans is exactly why the Red Cross was created.
People are dying, Ive seen it personally, and the main organization we look to is no where to be seen. Just like the media who sit on a safe block, or hang around the Superdome or the convention center because it is safe, maybe they are shunning the poor because they are scared. If they are being truthful, then they should take a stand, and deploy their personnel. Otherwise, they are complicit in an ill conceived plot to starve survivors out.
What is particularly sad to me is that Im no hero. Im basically a coward, but I dont find anyone Ive met on the street to be threatening. They are suffering and desperate and no one has uttered a word other then help me or thank you.
I watched one of these news robots on the air last night standing at Camp and Canal Street - where it is safe - doing a national live shot saying that everything is in place now and food is being distributed, and the National Guard is deployed in force.on the street - it was pure fiction. This guy hasnt left the safety of his air conditioned trailer complete with Subway sandwiches (from Baton Rouge) and Gatorade. Its pathetic.
One can only hope that our Federal officials will get a handle on the Herculean task ahead and that the citizenry will hold them responsible for the unnecessary loss of life.
As for the media do a little fact checking, read more than one paper. Stay away from CNN, MSNBC and Fox. NPR and Nightline do a good job of looking beyond the headlines. By the way, The Salvation Army is here and they have been able to help in some places. This is a racist/socioeconomic situation.
We all know that if it were somewhere else, like an affluent resort town or a Bush county in Florida, things would be different. Yes, there was looting and gunfire, and there are criminals out there, but they were a small minority of the population. There were tens of thousands of poor, black folk who stayed out of it, and they are still waiting today for any kind of help.
Image <http://flickr.com/photos/ioerror/42603081/ > : Razorwire first, supplies second. Shot by Jacob Appelbaum.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 08:52 PM
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481. 9/14 Sequel: A Concentration of Horrific Pain, Lots o' Cops Doing Not Much
Katrina: a TV cameraman's diary, part two. <http://www.boingboing.net/2005/09/14/katrina_a_tv_camer... >
Xeni Jardin:

<http://www.flickr.com/photos/joeljohnson/42526114/ >

Part two of a diary written by a friend who's a television news cameraman working in New Orleans.

New Orleans - September 9th
Ive been here in New Orleans a week and on a daily basis Im witnessing the staggering expanse of Katrinas destruction. Ive driven over a thousand miles around the city and the individual tragedies stretch from block to block. Whether traveling by air boat (remember the tv show Flipper?) or Humvee or by foot, every single street contains the remnants of someones life. Endless debris fields - entire life savings. The wreckage crosses all economic lines.
A particularly tragic moment was walking through personal items left behind at the Louisiana Superdome. Most of the people who were evacuated there are dirt poor. They live on the street or in shacks or tenements in this city that has more than its share of poverty. Their lives could easily be stored in a shopping cart or suitcase. As the Bush administration was shamed into action, this sad cargo was loaded onto buses - but told to leave behind anything that couldnt fit on their laps. They were not even allowed to take their pets, which is one of the many reasons people have stayed behind in their homes. Cats and particularly dogs were roaming through the empty parking lot of the Superdome looking for their owners. National Guardsmen took some as pets and mascots on their deuce and a half cargo trucks.
There are still thousands of residents who remain in their homes. Some are doing ok, they have water and food, and are willing to do what it takes to stick it out. It seems as though they will eventually have to leave. The cops and army troops are now well deployed and some are handing out water and small amounts of food, mostly MREs. They dont want anyone to become too comfortable, and it seems as though they will soon start to remove people.
I witnessed an emotional scene yesterday as a Louisiana state senator traveled through his district talking to firemen and cops. He spoke to some of his constituents as they alighted from boats that had just plucked them from their flooded homes in St. Bernard Parish. As the senator was introducing himself to a woman holding a small dog, the tension was immediate. Why do we have to leave? This is all we have. I dont want to go, this is my home. My sister is dead, and now you want to send me somewhere but you dont know where, why are you doing this to me? The desperation and fear is so personal, I feel unworthy even witnessing such deep heartfelt pain. But it is everywhere and it is the same scene over and over - and there is nothing that anyone can say or do that will make it any better. Everyone here is suffering the loss of a relative or friend or home or a job. And it goes on for miles and miles and miles.
What is striking is the incredible toll Katrina has taken emotionally. We often tend to focus on the dollar amount, the material costs and time. Its as though all of the emotion and suffering is compounded by the shear enormity of the disaster. Its hard to put into words just how much pain is concentrated in this region. So many people have lost their homes, their possessions, and loved ones.
I keep returning to the scene last Thursday at an overpass on I-10 in Metarie, just outside New Orleans. Every minute or so, a helicopter would land with flood survivors stunned and confused, many in tears having been plucked from their roof after days without food or water. Some were angry, not knowing where their loved ones were, or whether they were even alive. Many would just suffer in silence sitting under the hot sun. If you were lucky - you had an umbrella or a piece of cardboard for shade. These are poor people and for some of them this disaster is another chapter in a life of poverty that they have come to accept.quietly.
For others, suffering quietly was not their choice, and they were drawn to me as if carrying a tv camera meant that I had the answers. Where are we going? What are we going to do? Where is my baby? Why are the cops aiming their guns at us? So much emotion packed into such a small area, it was as if the world was literally coming to an end in one spot. You cant imagine what it was like to see so much tragedy unfold in one small place. By 3pm there were close to 3,000 people, the lucky ones seeking shelter in the shade under an overpass. Elderly people, newborn babies, diabetics, amputees, heatstroke victims, and no more than 8 or 10 paramedics overwhelmed by hundreds victims, some of whom looked as though they were dying. Its an eerie feeling driving or boating through the empty city knowing that these are the souls that once inhabited these empty homes and streets. And so many that didnt make it out are left behind - some of them rotting on the sidewalk even today.
The lack of a plan is still the big story. Who is in charge? What is going to be done first? What are the goals? Evacuation? No evacuation? The New Orleans Police Department is trying to rebuild itself, and the National Guard seems to be the most organized. But there are way too many cops from as far away as Reno driving around with shotguns and M-16s.
This is like a giant summer camp for law enforcement. There are hundreds of black and whites, armored cars, assault vehicles, and lawmen carrying every type of firearm ever made. Its as though every police chief in the country put 20 officers in 5 cars and sent them to New Orleans - on overtime.
Of course, many are helping, but some have no orders or task to complete. So they drive around all day taking pictures, and then they go and sleep in their cars with the engine running and the air conditioning on. They are sightseers with guns taking happy snaps to show to all the folks at home. Complete with long tales of how they saved New Orleans.
Previously:
A cameraman's journal in NOLA <http://www.boingboing.net/2005/09/13/katrina_a_camerama... >

Image <http://www.flickr.com/photos/joeljohnson/42526114/ > : New Orleans, shot September 11 by Joel Johnson <http://joeljohnson.com/ > .
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:10 AM
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207. Sept 2: Daley 'shocked' at federal snub of offers to help
Daley 'shocked' at federal snub of offers to help

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050902dale...

Tribune staff reports
Published September 2, 2005, 10:24 PM CDT


Frustration about the federal response to Hurricane Katrina has reached Chicago City Hall, as Mayor Richard Daley today noted a tepid response by federal officials to the city's offers of disaster aid.

The city is willing to send hundreds of personnel, including firefighters and police, and dozens of vehicles to assist on the storm-battered Gulf Coast, but so far the Federal Emergency Management Agency has requested only a single tank truck, Daley said.

"I was shocked," he said.

"We are ready to provide considerably more help than they have requested," the mayor said, barely able to contain his anger during a City Hall news conference. "We are just waiting for the call."
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 06:28 PM
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279. Sept 3: New Mexico National Guard delayed
Edited on Fri Sep-09-05 06:29 PM by mom cat
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050903/ap_on_re_us/katrina...

Congress Likely to Probe Guard Response By SHARON THEIMER, Associated Press Writer
Sat Sep 3, 6:38 PM ET



WASHINGTON - Another 10,000 National Guard troops are being sent to the hurricane-ravaged Gulf Coast, raising their number to about 40,000, but questions linger about the speed with which troops were deployed.


Several states ready and willing to send National Guard troops to the rescue in New Orleans didn't get the go-ahead until days after the storm struck a delay nearly certain to be investigated by Congress.
Edit for sp.
New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson offered Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco help from his state's National Guard last Sunday, the day before Hurricane Katrina hit Louisiana. Blanco accepted, but paperwork needed to get the troops en route didn't come from Washington until late Thursday.

California troops just began arriving in Louisiana on Friday, three days after flood waters devastated New Orleans and chaos broke out.

In fact,
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 06:51 PM
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281. Sep 3: Fearing riots, Guard rejects food airdrops
http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=...

Fearing riots, Guard rejects food airdrops
Officials exploring other options for delivering supplies

By Jeff Schogol, Stars and Stripes
Mideast edition, Saturday, September 3, 2005



ARLINGTON, Va. Authorities are avoiding airdropping provisions into New Orleans the traditional way of supplying disaster victims out of fear of sparking riots, a state official said.

While the military has used helicopters to drop provisions to some stranded in New Orleans, authorities have not launched the massive supply airdrops seen in Afghanistan at the beginning of Operation Enduring Freedom.

Several C-130 Hercules aircraft are stationed at Little Rock Air Force Base, but authorities have not ordered them to drop supplies to flood victims, Arkansas Air National Guard officials said.

Airdropping supplies could actually worsen the situation, said Army National Guard Lt. Kevin Cowan, with the state Office of Emergency Preparedness.

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 06:58 PM
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282. Sep 2: Bush: had not requested foreign help and did not need it
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2... /

FOREIGN ASSISTANCE
US sends mixed signals on accepting aid from abroad
By Farah Stockman, Globe Staff | September 2, 2005

WASHINGTON -- The offers of foreign aid keep pouring in: helicopters from Canada, cash from Japan, tents and military aircraft from France -- even oil from Venezuela, a political foe. At least 25 countries have offered humanitarian assistance to the United States to recover from Hurricane Katrina, one of the worst natural disasters in US history.

But despite the increasingly desperate situation on the ground, the Bush administration has sent mixed signals about whether it will take these global well-wishers up on their offers.

President Bush indicated yesterday morning that the United States had not requested foreign help and didn't need it.

''I'm not expecting much from foreign nations because we haven't asked for it," Bush told ABC's ''Good Morning America." ''I do suspect a lot of sympathy, and perhaps some will send cash dollars. But this country is going to rise up and take care of it. You know, we love help, but we're going to take care of our own business, as well."

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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:58 AM
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400. 9/11 (orig post 9/5) FEMA's Rescue Team Cools Heels in Dallas
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Would-be rescuers cool their heels (FEMA urban search/rescue)
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/katrin...
They have been trimming one another's hair, lounging on hotel chairs, chatting on cellphones. They've been up at dawn, exercising in front of the hotel, trying to stay busy.

What they haven't been doing is dangling from helicopters over flooded neighborhoods or going into half-collapsed buildings searching for hurricane victims to rescue.

The 83 members of the Federal Emergency Management Agency's Urban Search and Rescue team from Orange County, Calif., have been told to stay downtown at the Hyatt Regency Dallas at Reunion.

The reason for the extended holdover? Team members were told that conditions were too chaotic in New Orleans, which has been plagued by violence and reports of gunfire aimed at rescuers, and the National Guard needed more time to restore order. In addition, problems getting supplies to the rescue crews already there, as well as victims, had not been worked out.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 06:47 PM
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452. quod erat demonstrandum: It Was Intentional
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 08:58 PM
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482. more examples of FEMA blocking evacuation and aid
FEMA Blocking Relief Efforts - Compilation of Mainstream and Alternative Press reports
FEMA Blocks Katrina Aid from Chicago
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/09/07/fema/index...
Homeland Security won't let Red Cross deliver food
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm

FEMA won't accept Amtrak's help in evacuations
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/84aa35cc-1da8-11da-b40b-00000e

FEMA turns away experienced firefighters
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/5/105538/7048

FEMA turns back Wal-Mart supply trucks http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspec...
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/ruthgroup/112613655425... /

FEMA prevents Coast Guard from delivering diesel fuel http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspec...


FEMA blocks 500-boat citizen flotilla from delivering aid
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/3/171718/0826

FEMA fails to utilize Navy ship with 600-bed hospital on board
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0509 ..

FEMA bars morticians from entering New Orleans
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15147862&BRD=

FEMA turns away generators
http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html

FEMA: "First Responders Urged Not To Respond"
http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18470
FEMA Blocks Journalists From Photographing Katrina's Victims
Journalist Groups Protest FEMA Ban on Photos of Dead

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_di...

FEMA blocks volunteer firefighters from helping Katrina victims Friday, Sep. 2, 2005
http://www.gazette.net/stories/090205/montcou165700_319...


FEMA blocks dead body examination in NOLA
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/012192.html



FEMA locks Mac users from hurricane relief http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=12557
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 09:00 PM
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483. snips from articles on FEMA blocking aid to N. O.
Aaron Broussard, President of Jefferson Parrish, appeared this Sunday on Meet the Press. He made some extremely serious charges that officials at FEMA had actively interfered in assistance efforts in his Parrish. Responding to host Tim Russerts questions on local and state-level accountability, he said:
Let me give you just three quick examples. We had Wal-Mart deliver three trucks of water, trailer trucks of water. FEMA turned them back. They said we didn't need them. This was a week ago. FEMA--we had 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel on a Coast Guard vessel docked in my parish. The Coast Guard said, "Come get the fuel right away." When we got there with our trucks, they got a word. "FEMA says don't give you the fuel." Yesterday--yesterday--FEMA comes in and cuts all of our emergency communication lines. They cut them without notice. Our sheriff, Harry Lee, goes back in, he reconnects the line. He posts armed guards on our line and says, "No one is getting near these lines." Sheriff Harry Lee said that if America--American government would have responded like Wal-Mart has responded, we wouldn't be in this crisis
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9179790 /
FEMA cut the communication lines in Jefferson Parish 1 day before the Hurricane hit and the sherriff had to reconnect them and put armed guards to prevent FEMA from trying to cut the lines again. Wal-Mart had food and water ready to take to the victims before the aftermath and FEMA stopped them before they reached Jefferson Parish. http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35819


WASHINGTON -- The government's disaster chief waited until hours after Hurricane Katrina already had struck the Gulf Coast before asking his boss to dispatch 1,000 Homeland Security employees to the region -- and gave them two days to arrive, according to internal documents.

Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, sought the approval from Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff roughly five hours after Katrina made landfall on the morning of Aug. 29. Brown said that among duties of these employees was to "convey a positive image" about the government's response for victims.

The same day he wrote Chertoff, Brown also urged local fire and rescue departments outside Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi not to send trucks or emergency workers into disaster areas without an explicit request for help from state or local governments. Brown said it was vital to coordinate fire and rescue efforts.

Meanwhile, the airline industry said the government's request for help evacuating storm victims didn't come until late Thursday afternoon. The president of the Air Transport Association, James May, said the Homeland Security Department called then to ask if the group could participate in an airlift for refugees. Wednesday, September 07, 2005 BY TED BRIDIS Associated Press




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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 06:39 PM
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7. I'll do what I can.
Recommend.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 06:56 PM
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8. After K: FEMA
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:16 PM
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9. Sept 5: Why FEMA turned awal help..daily Kos
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/5/105538/7048
Why FEMA turned away help
by Ducktape
Mon Sep 5th, 2005 at 07:55:38 PDT
For days after the disaster, help and volunteers of all sorts headed for New Orleans with relief supplies and expertise, only to be stopped and turned away by FEMA.


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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:30 PM
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11. Sept 5: Fema won't accept Amtrak's help in the evacuation
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/84aa35cc-1da8-11da-b40b-00000e...


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Federal agency 'slow' to accept business help
By FT Reporters in New York
Published: September 5 2005 03:00 | Last updated: September 5 2005 03:00

From Wal-Mart's satellite-based communications systems to FedEx's aircraft, US business has in some cases managed to provide a swifter response to the initial impact of hurricane Katrina than the federal and state authorities.


But critics of the handling of the crisis by government agencies said they were slow in accepting offers of help.

Mary Landrieu, the Democratic US senator from Louisiana, accused the Federal Emergency Management Agency of having "dragging its feet" when Amtrak offered trains to evacuate victims

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:23 PM
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10. Sept 5: FEMA turns back Walmart trucks etc...NYT
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspec...
The Fallout
After Failures, Government Officials Play Blame Game

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By SCOTT SHANE
Published: September 5, 2005
This article was reported by Scott Shane, Eric Lipton and Christopher Drew and written by Mr. Shane.

WASHINGTON, Sept. 4 - As the Bush administration tried to show a more forceful effort to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina, government officials on Sunday escalated their criticism and sniping over who was to blame for the problems plaguing the initial response.

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Storm and Crisis
Photographs from a devastated region.
Photographs From Last Week



Retracing the Storm
Faced with a massive disaster, everything fell apart in New Orleans. (Related Article)
Damage in New Orleans
Satellite Images


Interview With New Orleans Mayor
Mayor C. Ray Nagin's radio interview.
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THE SCENE Rescuers' frustrations mounted in New Orleans as people who remained in their homes refused to leave.
Roadblocks for Medical Aid

THE FALLOUT Officials escalated their criticism over who was to blame for the problems plaguing the initial response.
The Political Response

ECONOMIC DIVIDE The tales of two families displaced by the disaster expose a chasm between haves and have-nots.

THE POLICE After suicides and desertions, New Orleans is offering officers paid vacations.

NEWSPAPER'S ODYSSEY The Times-Picayune was forced to look for a new home while managing to publish.

HOW TO HELP A partial list of relief organizations and other information on the Web.

YOUR STORY Share your experiences via e-mail or in this forum.
While rescuers were still trying to reach people stranded by the floods, perhaps the only consensus among local, state and federal officials was that the system had failed.

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:34 PM
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12. FEMA-Homeland Sec block food from Red Cross
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm
Homeland Security won't let Red Cross deliver food
Saturday, September 03, 2005

By Ann Rodgers, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette



As the National Guard delivered food to the New Orleans convention center yesterday, American Red Cross officials said that federal emergency management authorities would not allow them to do the same.

Other relief agencies say the area is so damaged and dangerous that they doubted they could conduct mass feeding there now.

"The Homeland Security Department has requested and continues to request that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans," said Renita Hosler, spokeswoman for the Red Cross.

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:43 PM
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13. Sept 2: FEMA turns away morticians
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15147862&
Disaster touches area residents

By JILL ZAREND-KUBATKO, Valley Life Editor September 02, 2005


Tom Dudelston, a funeral director with J. Warren Funeral Services in Casa Grande, had hoped to use vacation to help those who could not escape the blighted area. "I'm trying to go," Dudelston said around 1 p.m. Thursday. "But I have hit some complications I had not expected. I was trying to offer my services with some of my skills. It is kind of pending. I was going to do it to help. I am still hoping I can get in there. I won't know until later today. I have talked with an organization here in Arizona that helps in situations like this. I was hoping I could circumvent that and take care of myself and get in there."

By 3:45 p.m. he had the news he didn't want to hear.

"I am not going anywhere, I spoke with D-MORT, a group of funeral directors and embalmers, and I cannot go," he said, his voice filled with disappointment.

The Associated Press displays daily images in newspapers and on Web sites featuring the dead lying on the ground or seated in chairs, with no one to tend to them. "USA Today talks about the body count and the things that are going on since it has been declared a national disaster area," he explained. "They won't let anyone in there. You have to be FEMA-certified and I am not," he said.

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:47 PM
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14. Sept3: FEMA blocks 500 boats
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/3/171718/0826
Just to give you a sense of just how badly FEMA has f*cked up.
by pelican
Sat Sep 3rd, 2005 at 14:17:18 PDT
This was posted by a Clarkie over at the Securing America:


Just to give you a sense of just how badly FEMA has f*cked up.
Posted by Clark Warner on September 3, 2005 - 2:23pm.
This is beyond my comprehension and after spending two frustrating days trying to just get someone to let us help we've FINNALLY been told we can conduct "renegade" boat rescues via the just concluded press conference that Gov. Blanco just held.

Why is this JUST NOW being allowed? Well let's start from the very beginning.

On Wednesday morning a group of approximately 1,000 citizens pulling 500 boats left the Acadiana Mall in Lafayette in the early morning and headed to New Orleans with a police escort from the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Department. The flotillia of trucks pulling boats stretched over FIVE miles. This citizen rescue group was organized by La. State Senator, Nick Gautreaux from Vermilion Parish. The group was comprised of experienced boaters, licensed fishermen and hunters, people who have spent their entire adult life and teenage years on the waterways of Louisiana.

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:53 PM
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15. Sep FEMA fails to utilize Navy ship with 600-bed hospital on board
FEMA fails to utilize Navy ship with 600-bed hospital on board
http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/site/premium/acc...
Chicago Tribune...requires registration
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:18 PM
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49. FEMA attempted to block planes evacuating hospitals
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 09:21 PM by snot
This story also shows how, with Gore's help, the rescuers ultimately prevailed despite unbelievable obstruction by both FEMA and the military.

http://www.algore.org/index.php?option=com_content&task... :

Gore at NOLA: The Fastercures Airlift From New Orleans
Wednesday, 07 September 2005
From TMP Cafe
by Greg Simon, President FasterCures

On September 3rd and 4th, FasterCures worked with a small dedicated group of people to airlift approximately 270 medical patients and evacuees from the New Orleans airport to hospitals and shelters in Knoxville and Chattanooga, Tennessee. This is the story of how it happened.

On Thursday, September 1st, my friend Jill Chozen of San Francisco called to ask if I could put someone in touch with Al Gore. Dr. David Kline, the father in law of Jills friend Denise Kline, was stranded in Charity hospital in New Orleans. The situation was dire and becoming worse by the minute food and water running out, no power, four feet of water surrounding the hospital and alligators eating corpses outside. David is a neurosurgeon and needed to take his patients out of the hospital as soon as possible. David asked Denise to find Al Gore for help because David knew Gore from operating on Gores son after a life threatening auto accident nearly 16 years ago.

I emailed Gore with Denise Klines number after speaking to Jill and got an answer immediately. Gore had phoned David in the hospital several times and ascertained that he was now on the way to an Apache Helicopter landing site with his patients. Things were looking up.

The next day, Friday September 2nd, I heard an NPR story that things were getting worse at Charity hospital they were actually taking in more patients because the other nearby hospital Tulanewas closed. When I arrived at work, I knew what we had to do we had to evacuate medical patients from Charity to safety. (Much more at link above . . . )
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:38 PM
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59. Thread with info re- FEMA refusing or delaying help (all time periods)
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:45 PM
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64. From FEMA's website: FEMA's claims process
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:55 PM
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91. Offer of help from foreign nations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

WP,pg1: Offers of Aid Immediate, but U.S. Approval Delayed for Days
Offers of Aid Immediate, but U.S. Approval Delayed for Days
By Elizabeth Williamson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 7, 2005; Page A01

Offers of foreign aid worth tens of millions of dollars -- including a Swedish water purification system, a German cellular telephone network and two Canadian rescue ships -- have been delayed for days awaiting review by backlogged federal agencies, according to European diplomats and information collected by the State Department.

Since Hurricane Katrina, more than 90 countries and international organizations offered to assist in recovery efforts for the flood-stricken region, but nearly all endeavors remained mired yesterday in bureaucratic entanglements, in most cases, at the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

In Germany, a massive telecommunication system and two technicians await the green light to fly to Louisiana, after its donors spent four days searching for someone willing to accept the gift.

"FEMA? That was a lost case," said Mirit Hemy, an executive with the Netherlands-based New Skies Satellite who made the phone calls. "We got zero help, and we lost one week trying to get hold of them."

In Sweden, a transport plane loaded with a water purification system and a cellular network has been ready to take off for four days, while Swedish officials wait for flight clearance. Nearly a week after they were offered, four Canadian rescue vessels and two helicopters have been accepted but probably won't arrive from Halifax, Nova Scotia, until Saturday. The Canadians' offer of search-and-rescue divers has so far gone begging....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20 ...
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 01:19 AM
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139. Glad that you captured this...it is now MIA
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 01:23 AM by mom cat

We are unable to locate the page you requested.
The page may have moved or may no longer be available

You may also want to try our search
to locate news and information on washingtonpost.com
Edited to add this link to the error message that shows up when you click the WAPO link in the parent post by snot:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/error.html
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 09:26 AM
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250. 09/09: more on swedish plane.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:13 PM
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93. Sept 6: Frustrated Firemen hand out flyers for FEMA
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:32 PM
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105. Report from a Psychologist treating evacuees
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
(EDITED--see original post for more)
Psychologist working with Katrina refugees tells sad story
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 06:13 PM by Elad

Here is the email I received from my professional organization etree detailing the experience of a psychologist working with the refugees and the horrible experiences they are having. This is the only way we can find out what is really going on.

The email reads --
The following comes from a friend of mine who is a licensed
psychologist. She donated her time and her talent working with Katrina refugees at first, Reunion Arena and then, the Civic Center. This is her first hand account and reaction to what she had to deal with.

Then to the helpers and what is happening there. Turf wars have already sprung up. In the name of "I know better than you do," chaos and wasted energy are multiplying. The Red Cross was initially in charge of certifying the credentials of the helping therapists. After Oklahoma City and the pretenders who arrived there, this seemed like a wonderful clearing house. Everyone who wanted to help had to go through a brief orientation and a thorough checking of credentials. Only licensed professionals were allowed. Driver's licenses were checked for criminal records. This seemed to be a common sense excellent approach to the question of rapists, pedophiles, and other thugs being denied access to a vulnerable population. Actually, things ran better than I expected at
the beginning. Then in came the physicians who I guess felt that their non-existent coursework in this area qualified them to better run things. Immediate chaos, disorganization, and all sorts of ersatz
"helpers" began running around. They grabbed our current Red Cross
badges and then stopped us from going back on the floor to finish seeing our patients without the new badges, which they just happened to be out of. We had an optometrist with prescriptive lenses but no glasses or readers and no idea when he'd ever see any. We had a deaf booth but no deaf helpers. In the midst of all this chaos, thousands and thousands of the walking wounded mixing with the powerless well-intentioned came the whispered word, pandemic. Lots of people are suddenly getting sick, and we have to have precautions. Don't eat or drink or touch the patients.
We only have one bottle of disinfectant in the mental health section, so come back here--the length of the Convention Center--after each patient.
"What of the people who are being cycled out of here?" "What are we
sending into the population?" If people are sick and contagious, where are the precautions to separate the vulnerable? What of precautions such as masks and gloves to keep the medical professionals and first responders safe? All the here and now is suspended in the hope that maybe tomorrow will take care of itself and the worst won't happen.

Those are the question we asked on the first day. NO ONE IS IN CHARGE!!!

Therefore, there is no consistent answer or approach or forethought. I am no infection guru but as soon as I heard on day one that people with no water were forced to drink water with bloated bodies, feces, and rats in it, the thought of cholera, typhoid, and delayed disease immediately occurred to me. What if the fears of disease are correct? People are fanning out throughout America. Where is the CDC?

In the age of computers, we are doing worse than the pencil squibs and the rolls of paper to log in the displaced after World War II. Literacy and computer access seems to be considered as a given for people who have lost it all. Accessing FEMA is through a website. People are in shelters waiting for FEMA to come "in a few days." "Be patient." The Lieutenant Governor of Louisiana pumped my hand and replied to my desperate queries about how to help people find their parents and babies, "Be patient--give us a few days."

I am sure that there is a special ring of hell for the media: The
survivor stories end-on-end for the titillation of the public. I heard Soledad O'Brien say something about the still unrecognized need to address the psychological trauma. I sent a response to the CNN tip-line that there were hordes of every manner of mental health professional working 24/7. CNN's response? Dr. Phil and the stories of the survivors" on Larry King. They went to the guy who lost his clinical license for serious professional infractions to tell the stories? I could see the "entertainer" down there gathering tales of the already exploited so that he and Larry could both pimp their ratings. The real unsung mental health heroes, the counselors, psychologists, social workers and psychiatrists dealing with un-medicated psychosis and severe traumatic responses were represented by Dr. "Keep-It-Real"? We don't need tabloid help from the media. Scream about accountability and point fingers for those who can't. Where is the real help from the media? Help us find those babies and parents and missing family. We have a man in one of the shelters who is caring for four kids. They call him uncle. He is actually the cousin of the fianc of the mother who is probably dead. The children are silent. They sit and play and weep with open mouths that can't scream. Where is the media to scream for them?

Finally, to hell with this "no blame game." The stories that I know to be true are enough to make me boil. The compassionate foreign doctors who can't find anyone to validate their credentials, the expensive mobile hospital still sitting parked waiting for federal paperwork to move into Louisiana, the five C130s sitting on the Tarmac in San Diego since the night of Katrina, still waiting for orders to move. Where the hell are the beds? We have some old people sleeping on hot plastic pool floats with no sheets. They are still no showers for people who have walked for hours through fetid waters. Their skin is breaking out in rashes. Still no showers. Where the hell are the DeCon showers bought with Homeland Security money that can shower 30 people at a time. The convention centers have no bathing facilities so the filth and skin reactions are getting worse. What of lice? There are no clothes for the really heavy and large. I was reduced to writing the women I knew who went to Weight Watchers to comb their attics for "before" outfits. When I arrived with the sack of my gatherings, I had to engage in a full scale battle and puff myself up to all my red-headed doctor fury to get them distributed to the women still sitting there in their stinking clothes.

The people that survived this tragedy and the people who help them all know one truth. The help and the love and the care that has been
extended to them have been on a citizen-to-citizen basis. The churches,doctors, therapists, and ordinary citizens who are giving all they can in time and resources are managing to band-aid at the most elementary level-neighbor to neighbor. The government has failed!!! We are more vulnerable now than before 9/11 because faith in the system is gone. No system can sustain itself as a viable entity when the citizenry are the walking wounded. Victims implode a system from within and expose its decay. This is the beginning of the end unless we can get a drastic change of philosophy and restore the government to a system "by the people for the people." Right now nobody down here believes we have that.

Anne Gervasi
Euless, TX 76039
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:35 PM
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107. Sept 6: Would-be rescuers cool their heels (FEMA's own rescuers)
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 12:01 AM by mom cat
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/katrin...

Would-be rescuers cool their heels

Chaos in New Orleans delays California team eager to enter fray


08:56 AM CDT on Tuesday, September 6, 2005


By JASON TRAHAN / The Dallas Morning News


They have been trimming one another's hair, lounging on hotel chairs, chatting on cellphones. They've been up at dawn, exercising in front of the hotel, trying to stay busy.

What they haven't been doing is dangling from helicopters over flooded neighborhoods or going into half-collapsed buildings searching for hurricane victims to rescue.

The 83 members of the Federal Emergency Management Agency's Urban Search and Rescue team from Orange County, Calif., have been told to stay downtown at the Hyatt Regency Dallas at Reunion.

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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:48 PM
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119. DU thread with multiple links re- FEMA's botched response
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Note, this post covers a lot of topics so you'll have to scroll down to get to this one.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:58 PM
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123. 1,000 firefighters to be used as community-relations officers for FEMA
http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_3004197
Frustrated: Fire crews to hand out fliers for FEMA
By Lisa Rosetta
The Salt Lake Tribune
Firefighters endure a day of FEMA training, which included a course on sexual harassment. Some firefighters say their skills are being wasted. (Leah Hogsten/The Salt Lake Tribune)

ATLANTA - Not long after some 1,000 firefighters sat down for eight hours of training, the whispering began: "What are we doing here?"
As New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin pleaded on national television for firefighters - his own are exhausted after working around the clock for a week - a battalion of highly trained men and women sat idle Sunday in a muggy Sheraton Hotel conference room in Atlanta.
Many of the firefighters, assembled from Utah and throughout the United States by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, thought they were going to be deployed as emergency workers.
Instead, they have learned they are going to be community-relations officers for FEMA, shuffled throughout the Gulf Coast region to disseminate fliers and a phone number: 1-800-621-FEMA. (MORE)
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:05 AM
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125. A compilation of help rejected by FEMA, mostly After
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Can FEMA do anything right?!! Look at this list!
Edited on Tue Sep-06-05 10:39 AM by peabody71

FEMA won't accept Amtrak's help in evacuations http://news.ft.com/cms/s/84aa35cc-1da8-11da-b40b-00000e ...

FEMA turns away experienced firefighters http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/5/105538/7048

FEMA turns back Wal-Mart supply trucks http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspec ... ;en=1d14ebfbd942a7d0&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

FEMA prevents Coast Guard from delivering diesel fuel http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspec ... ;en=1d14ebfbd942a7d0&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

FEMA won't let Red Cross deliver food http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm

FEMA bars morticians from entering New Orleans http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15147862& ;BRD=1817&PAG=461&dept_id=68561&rfi=6

FEMA blocks 500-boat citizen flotilla from delivering aid http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/3/171718/0826

FEMA fails to utilize Navy ship with 600-bed hospital on board http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0509 ... ;cset=true

FEMA to Chicago: Send just one truck http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050902dale ...

FEMA turns away generators http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html

FEMA: "First Responders Urged Not To Respond" http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18470
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:08 AM
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126. FEMA diverted copters w/ sandbags to pick up people at a church
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
FEMA sent Helicopters for LEVEE to Church instead
Edited on Tue Sep-06-05 05:41 PM by DoYouEverWonder
http://www.wdsu.com/weather/4917809/detail.html

Nagin reqeusted helicopters to drop sandbags on the 17th Street Levee when it started showing signs of trouble. NAGIN had the sandbags ready, all he needed was the helicopters.

HS/FEMA told him copters were on the way. They NEVER came. They went to a CHURCH instead.

So to pick up a 1000 people stranded at a CHURCH, 10,000's of peoples and their homes were doomed.

Nagin: Entire City Will Soon Be Underwater

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin is "very upset" that an attempt to fix the breach in the levee at the 17th Street canal has failed, and he said the challenges that the city is facing have "escalated to another level."

"The sandbagging that we had hoped would happen didn't materialize today, so the water continued to rise at that particular location," he said.

In an exclusive interview with WDSU anchor Norman Robinson, Nagin said the rising water has caused the generators to stop operating because the water got too high. Due to that, Nagin said he's been advised by the head technician at the sewage and water board that water in the east bank area of Orleans and Jefferson parishes will rise to levels equal to Lake Pontchartrain.

FEMA sent Helicopters for Levee to Church instead.

He said he was told that the helicopters may have been diverted to rescue about 1,000 people in a church, but he is still not sure who gave the order.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:28 AM
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133. ***After K: FEMA CHIEF: MICHAEL BROWN
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:34 AM
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135. Sept 6: FEMA Chief Waited Until After Storm Hit
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1102744&CMP...

FEMA Chief Waited After Storm to Act, Gave Volunteers 2 Days to Arrive, 'Convey Positive Image'

By TED BRIDIS Associated Press Writer
The Associated Press

WASHINGTON Sep 6, 2005 The government's disaster chief waited until hours after Hurricane Katrina had already struck the Gulf Coast before asking his boss to dispatch 1,000 Homeland Security employees to the region and gave them two days to arrive, according to internal documents.

Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, sought the approval from Homeland Security Secretary Mike Chertoff roughly five hours after Katrina made landfall on Aug. 29. Brown said that among duties of these employees was to "convey a positive image" about the government's response for victims.

Before then, FEMA had positioned smaller rescue and communications teams across the Gulf Coast. But officials acknowledged Tuesday the first department-wide appeal for help came only as the storm raged.


Dems Blast Bush Over Hurricane Response
Rehnquist Leaves Conservative Legacy
The Note: Red Versus Blue, Part XXXII

Brown's memo to Chertoff described Katrina as "this near catastrophic event" but otherwise lacked any urgent language. The memo politely ended, "Thank you for your consideration in helping us to meet our responsibilities."

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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 06:29 AM
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306. Sept 3: Brown didn't know about the convention center
Edited on Sat Sep-10-05 06:29 AM by DrDebug
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/03/national/nationalspec...

CNN's Paula Zahn was incredulous. "Sir," she said, "you aren't just telling me you just learned that the folks at the convention center didn't have food and water until today, are you? You had no idea they were completely cut off?"

"Paula," Mr. Brown replied unequivocally, "the federal government did not even know about the convention center people until today."

The comment symbolized what some have described as a deeply flawed federal response. President Bush praised Mr. Brown's performance on Friday
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 07:25 PM
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333. FEMA Chief Brown Paid Millions in False Claims to Help Bush Win Fla. Votes
http://jasonleopold.blogspot.com/2005/09/exclusive-fema...
Friday, September 09, 2005

EXCLUSIVE!!! FEMA Chief Brown Paid Millions in False Claims to Help Bush Win Fla. Votes in '04

By Jason Leopold

2005 Jason Leopold

Michael Brown, the embattled head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, approved payments in excess of $31 million in taxpayer money to thousands of Florida residents who were unaffected by Hurricane Frances and three other hurricanes last year in an effort to help President Bush win a majority of votes in that state during his reelection campaign, according to published reports.

Some Homeland Security sources said FEMA's efforts to distribute funds quickly after Frances and three other hurricanes that hit the key political battleground state of Florida in a six-week period last fall were undertaken with a keen awareness of the looming presidential elections, according to a May 19 Washington Post story.


Homeland Security sources told the Post that after the hurricanes that Brown and his allies him to succeed Tom Ridge as Homeland Security secretary because of their claim that he helped deliver Florida to President Bush by efficiently responding to the Florida hurricanes.


The South Florida Sun-Sentinel uncovered emails from Florida Gov. Jeb Bush that confirmed those allegations and directly implicated Brown as playing politics at the expense of hurricane victims.


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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 01:31 AM
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140. Sept 6: FEMA Turned Away Aid, Rescue Crews, Cut Emergency Communication
Lines.

http://dominionpaper.ca/international_news/2005/09/06/f...

FEMA Turned Away Aid, Rescue Crews, Cut Emergency Communication Lines: Witnesses
Agency draws ire of frustrated volunteers and donors

by Dru Oja Jay

In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, several witnesses have alleged that the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) turned away volunteers who were ready to help New Orleans residents people trapped in their flooded homes. Other witnesses have said that FEMA turned away offers of aid, prevented water and fuel from reaching people on the ground, and cut emergency communications lines.

The agency has cited security and safety concerns.

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 02:44 AM
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150. Sept 2: Loudoun deputies can't reach FEMA, Louisiana officials
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 02:46 AM by mom cat
http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/Web/2005/092005/0902...
Loudoun deputies can't reach FEMA, Louisiana officials

Loudoun County deputies headed for Louisiana told to turn around


Date published: 9/2/2005


LEESBURG, Va. (AP) - A group of Loudoun County sheriff's deputies heading to Louisiana to help maintain order among hurricane refugees had to turn around at the Virginia border when they couldn't get confirmation from emergency management officials, the Loudoun County sheriff said.

After attempting for 12 hours to reach officials at the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the Louisiana Emergency Operations Center, the deputies were told to head home. The group of 22 officers and six emergency medical technicians was expected to arrive back in Leesburg by 2 a.m. Friday, according to a statement from the sheriff's office.

"How many people have to die in the interim while they try to make this happen?" Sheriff Stephen O. Simpson told WRC-TV.

edited to add date
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:08 AM
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163. Minstrel' boy's post on this
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:05 AM
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161. CA firefighters (9/11 rescuers) barred from N.O. for a week
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:06 AM
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162. Who redirected helicopters leading to flooding of New Orleans?
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:30 AM
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170. Many cases of hampered rescue efforts
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:45 AM
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177. FEMA Deliberately Sabotaging Hurricane Relief Efforts
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:41 AM
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192. Sept 1: FEMA to rescue workers: Pay for your own gas!
http://dailykos.com/story/2005/9/1/211114/2959

BREAKING: FEMA to rescue workers: Pay for your own gas!
by MaximusNYC
Thu Sep 1st, 2005 at 18:11:14 PDT
I've previously diaried about how I'm receiving e-mail from CNN viewers because my three-year-old blog, The Situation Room, has the same name as Wolf Blitzer's new show.

This latest message -- addressed to Jack Cafferty -- is one of the most startling I've seen yet:

MaximusNYC's diary :: ::

In today's segment of The Situation Room, you gave a personal response to the federal government's handling (mis-handling) of the unprecedented tragedy in Louisiana. Of specific note is the absence of coordi .nation of the
government's response by means of FEMA.

For your information:

FEMA called in a company that owns and operates a fleet of air boats, to aide with the search and recovery of citizens trying to survive the disaster and who are still in their homes, etc. A friend of mine (from Arkansas) is one of the owner/operators of an air boat in that fleet. He responded to FEMA's request and went down to assist, all at his own expense. When there,
he reported to a FEMA manager or supervisor who told him, and I quote: "We need your assistance and can use your help every day, there's a lot of folks who have not been found. But, you will have to pay for your own gasoline for your air boat."

The cost of gasoline for that air boat, for each day, amounts to approximately $550.00 per day, minimum. With the current gasoline crisis, it could cost considerably more, up to $600 - $700 per day.

This young man volunteered his time AND his boat to help - and was then told by FEMA that he would have to pay, additionally, out of his own pocket, all of the costs for his gasoline - to find the people who were in flooded homes across the entire flooded area in the City of New Orleans, where FEMA is assigned.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:20 AM
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199. Sept 1:THE BOY SCOUTS!! THE FREAKING BOY SCOUTS!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

givemebackmycountry (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-01-05 09:05 PM
Original message
THE BOY SCOUTS!! THE FREAKING BOY SCOUTS!!
Did I just hear this hand job asshole from FEMA (with no experience) say the are mobilizing the BOY SCOUTS???

He actually said THE FREAKING BOY SCOUTS!!!

Good GOD who the hell is in charge here????

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X They don't even know how to camp in a rain storm LisaM Sep-01-05 09:07 PM #1
X Where exactly did you hear that? skooooo Sep-01-05 09:07 PM #2
X WTF???? KyndCulture Sep-01-05 09:08 PM #3
X On freaking CNN!! givemebackmycountry Sep-01-05 09:09 PM #4
X I heard that - Brown said that - if I could get thru the screen I would donsu Sep-01-05 09:09 PM #5
X "Platoon of Boy Scouts Gunned Down in N.O".... madeline_con Sep-01-05 09:10 PM #6
X Hey a troop of Boy Scouts LiveWire Sep-01-05 09:10 PM #7
X Well, it's more than the adults are doing ... madeline_con Sep-01-05 09:12 PM #10
X but why send in boys to do a mans job in this kind of danger? Sydnie Sep-01-05 09:12 PM #12
X I guess they won't be feeding gays and atheists then, or giving them water NNadir Sep-01-05 09:11 PM #8
X Funneee! madeline_con Sep-01-05 09:12 PM #11
X Not funny, LiveWire Sep-01-05 09:27 PM #28
X Brilliant. We'll send children to go where the cops fear to tread txindy Sep-01-05 09:11 PM #9
X wow just wow. socordsx Sep-01-05 09:13 PM #16
X i am getting boyscouts into it in my area seabeyond Sep-01-05 09:13 PM #13
X agreed justabob Sep-01-05 09:16 PM #23
X They ARE mobilizing scouts justabob Sep-01-05 09:13 PM #14
X after the summer the Boy Scouts had julialnyc Sep-01-05 09:13 PM #15
X My head hurts. Lindsay Sep-01-05 09:14 PM #17
X Well since the NG is in Iraq....... Jacobin Sep-01-05 09:14 PM #18
X I had the same thought MN ChimpH8R Sep-01-05 09:15 PM #20
X No...*This is the scope of *We're* facing? JaneGat Sep-01-05 09:15 PM #19
X They are going to "mobilize" Boy Scouts??? SillyGoose Sep-01-05 09:16 PM #21
X If this wasn't so heartbreaking Libby2 Sep-01-05 09:16 PM #22
X I'm sending my dog. growlypants Sep-01-05 09:17 PM #24
X Hell it least their moto is "BE PREPARED" if they had been in charge demo dutch Sep-01-05 09:18 PM #25
X Is the government so incompetent that NYC Sep-01-05 09:25 PM #26
X The Get Smart rescue team... Javaman Sep-01-05 09:27 PM #27
X The Boy Scouts are also a nickname for the NFL Saints KamaAina Sep-01-05 09:31 PM #29
X Uh, don't they have school they need to be in? Jose Diablo Sep-01-05 10:26 PM #30
X CNN just in: Mr_Jefferson_24 Sep-01-05 10:41 PM #31
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:01 PM
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213. Aug 29: FEMA: First Responders urged not to respond...unless..
( This request not to respond unless contacted by State officials came one day after Gov Blanco had sent her request to the president via the FEMA regional office! The request was already made!)

http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18470

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First Responders Urged Not To Respond To Hurricane Impact Areas Unless Dispatched By State, Local Authorities


Release Date: August 29, 2005
Release Number: HQ-05-174


More Information on Alabama Hurricane Katrina
More Information on Mississippi Hurricane Katrina
More Information on Louisiana Hurricane Katrina
More Information on Florida Hurricane Katrina


En Espaol

WASHINGTON D.C. -- Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary of Homeland Security for Emergency Preparedness and Response and head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), today urged all fire and emergency services departments not to respond to counties and states affected by Hurricane Katrina without being requested and lawfully dispatched by state and local authorities under mutual aid agreements and the Emergency Management Assistance Compact

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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 06:28 PM
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234. Amazing story of Gore at NOLA - - details of how FEMA tried to stop him
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:19 PM
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240. JP's Maestri said FEMA didn't keep its word
http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlo...
Friday, September 02, 2005



JP's Maestri said FEMA didn't keep its word

Mark Schleifstein
Staff writer

Jefferson Parish Emergency Preparedness Director Walter Maestri said Friday night that the Federal Emergency Management Agency reneged on a promise to begin relieving county emergency preparedness staffers 48 hours after Hurricane Katrina hit the New Orleans metropolitan area.

Maestris staff has been working almost around the clock since Katrina approached the Louisiana coastline on Sunday. Today, the staff is
expected to finally switch to a 12 hours on/12 hours off schedule, he said,
adding that theyre both tired and demoralized by the lack of assistance from federal officials.

We had been told we would be on our own for 48 hours, Maestri said.
Prepare to survive and in 48 hours the cavalry would arrive.

Well, where are they? he said.
Maestri said the agreement was signed by officials with the Southeastern Louisiana Emergency Preparedness Officials Association, the state and
the Federal Emergency Management Agency as part of this years Hurricane Pam tabletop exercise. That exercise began the process of writing a series of manuals explaining how to respond to a catastrophic disaster. Financed by FEMA, it included a variety of federal, state and local officials.

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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 03:48 PM
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263. 9/9 Swedish plane full with aid waiting since 6 days for an US order
Not sure if this is FEMA, but . . .

Swedish plane full with aid waiting since 6 days for an US order

Sweden's government spokeman Per Strm criticised the passivity of the US concerning international aid.
Since 6 days (I repeat "six days") a swedish plane carrying equipment to clean water is waiting on a military airport to receive an order from the US where it shall fly to. So far no order has been received.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,373833,00....
(in German)

Here an article a few days before:
http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=2018&date=2005090...

Strm said the plane would continue to wait but could take off at any moment if the US wishes so.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 03:55 PM
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266. Sept 9: Embattled Brown Taken Off Katrina Duty
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050909/ap...

Embattled Brown Taken Off Katrina Duty
By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer
41 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - Federal Emergency Management Agency Director Michael Brown, the principal target of harsh criticism of the Bush administration's response to Hurricane Katrina, was relieved of his onsite command Friday.

He will be replaced by Coast Guard Vice Adm. Thad W. Allen, who was overseeing New Orleans relief, recovery and rescue efforts, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff announced.

Earlier, Brown confirmed the switch. Asked if he was being made a scapegoat for a federal relief effort that has drawn widespread and sharp criticism, Brown told The Associated Press after a long pause: "By the press, yes. By the president, no."

"Michael Brown has done everything he possibly could to coordinate the federal response to this unprecedented challenge," Chertoff told reporters in Baton Rouge, La. Chertoff sidestepped a question on whether the move was the first step toward Brown's leaving FEMA.

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 04:06 PM
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267. Sept 2: Slow response bewilders former FEMA officials

Posted on Fri, Sep. 02, 2005

Slow response bewilders former FEMA officials

BY FRANK JAMES AND ANDREW MARTIN

Chicago Tribune
http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/politics/12549282.h...

WASHINGTON - (KRT) - Government disaster officials had an action plan if a major hurricane hit New Orleans. They simply didn't execute it when Hurricane Katrina struck.

Thirteen months before Katrina hit New Orleans, local, state and federal officials held a simulated hurricane drill that Ronald Castleman, then the regional director for the Federal Emergency Management Agency, called "a very good exercise."

More than a million residents were "evacuated" in the tabletop scenario as 120-mile-an-hour winds and 20 inches of rain caused widespread flooding that supposedly trapped 300,000 people in the city.

"It was very much an eye-opener," said Castleman, a Republican appointee of President Bush who left FEMA in December for the private sector. "A number of things were identified that we had to deal with, not all of them were solved."


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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 04:44 PM
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270. Sept 5: State of Art Mobile Hospital from UNC Turned Away
State of Art Mobile Hospital from UNC Turned Away
by Cal45
Mon Sep 5th, 2005 at 14:11:22 PDT
"We have tried so hard to do the right thing. It took us 30 hours to get here," said one of the frustrated surgeons, Dr. Preston "Chip" Rich of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. That government officials can't straighten out the mess and get them assigned to a relief effort now that they're just a few miles away "is just mind-boggling," he said in a phone interview.

Next door in Mississippi, the North Carolina mobile hospital waiting to help also offered impressive state-of-the-art medical care.

It was developed with millions of tax dollars through the Office of Homeland Security after 9-11. With capacity for 113 beds, it is designed to handle disasters and mass casualties.

State of Art Mobile Hospital from UNC Turned Away
link to original:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/5/171122/0018
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 05:19 PM
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275. Sept 4: Doctors Hamstrung in Relief Efforts (100's of medical people)

Doctors Hamstrung in Relief Efforts

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050904/D8CDKNCG0.html

Sep 4, 3:31 PM (ET)

By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) - Volunteer physicians are pouring in to care for the sick, but red tape is keeping hundreds of others from caring for Hurricane Katrina survivors while health problems escalate.

Among the doctors stymied from helping out are 100 surgeons and paramedics in a state-of-the-art mobile hospital marooned in rural Mississippi.

"The bell was rung, the e-mails were sent off. ...We all got off work and deployed," said one of the frustrated surgeons, Dr. Preston "Chip" Rich of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

"We have tried so hard to do the right thing. It took us 30 hours to get here," he said. That government officials can't straighten out the mess and get them assigned to a relief effort now that they're just a few miles away "is just mind-boggling," he said.

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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 08:06 PM
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345. 9/10 (orig 9/2) Per FAA, not ONE plane reported being shot at
Despite claims that rescue helicopters and planes had to be turned back because they were being shot at . . . .

Planes Did NOT Report Being Shot At
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1087205

Laura Brown, a Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman in
Washington, said she had no such report.

"We're controlling every single aircraft in that airspace and none of
them reported being fired on," she said, adding that the FAA was in
contact with the military as well as civilian aircraft.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 08:21 PM
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353. 9/10 (orig 9/2) Troops Entering N.O. Find LACK of Violence
Met by Despair, Not Violence
As they begin to patrol the chaotic city, troops are surprised by what they don't find.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-tr ...

The truck lurched through the streets, past buildings burning unabated and MPs in gun turrets. When they stopped to gear up for their arrival at the New Orleans Convention Center, where more than 15,000 people had been living in squalor since Katrina, these words echoed for the first time, one would imagine through the intersection of Poydras Avenue and Carondelet Street: "Lock and load!"

"Sixteen in the clip!" one Guardsman shouted, a common refrain used to indicate that rifles are fully loaded.

But when they arrived, they did not find marauding mobs. They did not come under fire. They found people who had lost everything in the storm and, since then, their dignity.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:47 PM
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386. See also
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 09:20 PM
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367. 9/10 (orig post 9/3) Landrieu Re- FEMA Rejection of Offers, 17th St. Levee
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlo...
Landrieu slams FEMA

U.S. Senator Mary Landrieu, D-La., Saturday accused the Federal Emergency Management Agency of failing to accept offers that would have eased post-hurricane problems in New Orleans -- including a plan for the Forest Service to douse fires in the city with aircraft used to fight fire. On Friday, Landrieu asked President Bush to appoint a cabinet-level official to oversee Hurricane Katrina relief and recovery efforts. She reiterated that request on Saturday.

"Yesterday, I was hoping President Bush would come away from his tour
of the regional devastation triggered by Hurricane Katrina with a new
understanding for the magnitude of the suffering and for the abject
failures of the current Federal Emergency Management Agency,"
Landrieu said. "Twenty-four hours later, the President has yet to answer my
call for a cabinet-level official to lead our efforts. Meanwhile, FEMA,
now a shell of what it once was, continues to be overwhelmed by the task at
hand.

Landrieu said that FEMA has inexplicably failed to take advantage of offers of help. "I understand that the U.S. Forest Service had water-tanker aircraft available to help douse the fires raging on our riverfront, but FEMA has yet to accept the aid. When Amtrak offered trains to evacuate significant numbers of victims - far more efficiently than buses - FEMA again dragged its feet," Landrieu said. "Offers of medicine, communications equipment and other desperately needed items continue to flow in, only to be ignored by the agency.

Landrieu said that her "greatest disappointment" is the lack of progress fixing the breached 17th Street levee. "Touring this critical site yesterday with the President, I saw what I believed to be a real and significant effort to get a handle on a major cause of this catastrophe. Flying over this critical spot again this morning, less than 24 hours later, it became apparent that yesterday we witnessed a hastily prepared stage set for a presidential photo opportunity; and the desperately needed resources we saw were this morning reduced to a single, lonely piece of equipment. The good and decent people of southeast Louisiana and the Gulf Coast - black and white, rich and poor, young and old - deserve far better from their national government," Landrieu said.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 09:54 PM
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374. Sept 11: NYT..(no FEMA's failures) Disarray Marked the Path From Hurricane
Edited on Sat Sep-10-05 10:03 PM by mom cat
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/11/national/nationalspec...
Disarray Marked the Path From Hurricane to Anarchy

By ERIC LIPTON, CHRISTOPHER DREW, SCOTT SHANE and DAVID ROHDE
Published: September 11, 2005
Excellent detailed analysis of FEMA's failures.
The official autopsies of the flawed response to the catastrophic storm have already begun in Washington, and may offer lessons for dealing with a terrorist attack or even another hurricane this season. But an initial examination of Hurricane Katrina's aftermath demonstrates the extent to which the federal government failed to fulfill the pledge it made after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks to face domestic threats as a unified, seamless force.

Instead, the crisis in New Orleans deepened because of a virtual standoff between hesitant federal officials and besieged authorities in Louisiana, interviews with dozens of officials show.

Federal Emergency Management Agency officials expected the state and city to direct their own efforts and ask for help as needed. Leaders in Louisiana and New Orleans, though, were so overwhelmed by the scale of the storm that they were not only unable to manage the crisis, but they were not always exactly sure what they needed. While local officials assumed that Washington would provide rapid and considerable aid, federal officials, weighing legalities and logistics, proceeded at a deliberate pace.

snip

Russ Knocke, press secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, said that any detailed examination of the response to the storm's assault will uncover shortcomings by many parties. "I don't believe there is one critical error," he said. "There are going to be some missteps that were made by everyone involved."

But Richard A. Falkenrath, a former homeland security adviser in the Bush White House, said the chief federal failure was not anticipating that the city and state would be so compromised. He said the response exposed "false advertising" about how the government has been transformed four years after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 05:27 PM
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415. Sept 11: State officials say FEMA too slow on housing
State officials say FEMA too slow on housing

http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlo...

By Ed Anderson
Baton Rouge bureau

BATON ROUGE The Federal Emergency Management Agency is moving too slowly in bringing temporary housing into Louisiana for its displaced victims of Hurricane Katrina, state officials complained Sunday.

Col. Jeff Smith, deputy director of the state Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness, said with tens of thousands of Louisiana residents in evacuation centers in the state and more dispersed around the country, FEMA has not moved swiftly enough to bring in trailers and mobile homes or find vacant apartments or homes for the displaced victims.

We have a main concern with temporary housing, Smith said. We dont feel that process is moving fast enough. There needs to be trailers rolling and things happening that just arent happening...This is truly a national issue.

Two weeks after disasters struck in other states, FEMA had temporary housing in place for the displaced, Smith said.

Other states have had trailers set up by this time, Smith said.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:00 PM
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450. Paulson...the new FEMA Director
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:03 PM
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451. Sept 13 Paulson and duct tape
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-12-05 10:47 PM
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Oh, Jesus Baldheaded Christ on a Crutch
The new FEMA guy, Paulson, sounds good....right?

30-year fire rescue guy...right?

Paulson was the guy who recommended "plastic sheeting and duct tape" be used by Americans to protect themselves.

Pardon me while I go fling myself into traffic.


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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:08 PM
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454. 9/13 A Volunteer in Miss.: FEMA Nowhere, but its Obstacles Are Everywhere
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An Attorney's Efforts to provide Legal Aid in Mississippi

The person who wrote this I believe is an attorney. Her name is Karen Lash:

"Below is an op-ed like article about my day in the Mississippi coastal city of Gulfport on Saturday September 10 -- rather than delay getting the word out by submitting it to a newspaper, I'm sending it into cyperspace in the hopes you'll forward it to your friends, and take action on one or more of the bulleted items listed at the end. THANK YOU!

Bureaucracy kills. And in Gulfport, Mississippi, bureaucracy reigns.

I arrived in Jackson, Mississippi from Washington DC last Wednesday, hoping to help the Mississippi Center for Justice coordinate pro bono attorneys, law professors and legal aid offices, an army of whom are ready to respond to the overwhelming need hurricane victims have for legal assistance. In the midst of this effort, two other out-of-state volunteers and I left for the Mississippi coast. Armed with 25 copies of Help After a Disaster, FEMA's applicant guide, and cases of bottled water, we headed south to let people know law schools and lawyers would be providing help with the myriad legal issues they'd be facing.

But when I arrived in Gulfport on Saturday, I was simply not prepared for what I saw. Chaos, devastation and an apparent inability to deliver the most basic help to so many people in so much despair. It was day 13 after Katrina struck, and no one was coordinating the relief effort in one of the poorest communities along the coast.

We never found a resident who had ever seen even one FEMA official. No one had been able to successfully complete 'Registration Intake" via the 1-800 number. Most people we met still didn't have electricity or phone service. We finally heard of one man who got through to FEMA at 2:30 a.m. But when asked for insurance information he didn't have and didn't know how he could get since he'd lost everything and had no place else to turn, he just broke down and cried. The bureaucracy was killing him.

It's no wonder. The September 11 Clarion-Ledger, Jackson's local paper, reported that U.S. Rep. Chip Pickering (R) had said FEMA needs 10,000 operators to properly staff the phones but Homeland Security regulations require employees to pass security clearance, typically a months-long process. The paper quotes Pickering as concluding 'In other words, the phone line is useless."

Meanwhile, our efforts were complicated because our phones rarely rang -- spotty cell reception. Although I could usually call out, I wasn't able to receive calls.

Again, the Clarion-Leger provided some insight. Representative Pickering's office reported that two days after the hurricane hit, a company offered to launch balloons that would restore cellular phone service in the region for free. FEMA told him the company would have to go through a typically months-long competitive bidding process. The bureaucracy simply could not be avoided. FEMA representatives were nowhere to be found, but their rules and regulations are everywhere.

We stopped first at the Good Deeds Community Center, a makeshift refuge for 100s of North Gulfport and Turkey Creek residents. Red Cross volunteers told us the Florida church that had been feeding more than 600 residents two hot meals a day was leaving on Sunday and asked if we could track down another mobile kitchen. Without a second thought, we set out to help. But this was crucial stuff. Why were we doing it? Where was FEMA?

That effort had us going to area churches where we found similar stories. Arkansas church members set up at the Grace Memorial Baptist Church had been serving up hundreds of hot meals since Thursday. They were almost out of food, leaving on Monday, but offered us their several hundred peanut butter and jelly sandwich surplus. We gratefully took it.

Another church in Ocean Springs didn't have a kitchen or cleaning supplies but could send new clothes and canned goods in a truck returning to Kentucky. Everywhere we went people asked for bleach both to kill the bacteria from raw sewage so they could safely take a bath, and also to stop the spread of black mold that was swallowing the walls of those fortunate enough to still have a home.

The sympathetic workers in the county courthouse had few ideas for us. When asked where FEMA was one responded 'your guess is as good as mine."

Looking for another church we'd heard was preparing large numbers of hot meals, we took a wrong turn and found ourselves in a redzone. We passed the ominous buildings some of which had a bright orange spraypainted 'X" indicating that the dead bodies still in the building had been identified so rescue workers had moved on. We also passed a van with Indiana license plates, and signs hanging in the windows that read 'CAN'T FIND MY FATHER PLEASE HELP."

Returning to Good Deeds to report on our progress, we saw a county worker pull up with a truckload of ice. Twenty minutes later, with the truck unattended, no one aware of its precious cargo, and the ice quickly melting in the stifling sun, my colleagues and I hopped into the back of the truck. Yelling 'free ice" we urged people to take as many bags as they could carry and distribute it to neighbors on their way home.

Meanwhile, the onsite Red Cross volunteers gave out the last of their day's food and toy stash from their U-Haul, distraught because without hot food coming on Sunday, Good Deeds would be closed. No one knows what will happen next. There is simply no delivery or distribution system in place. Without the inspiration of leaders from groups like North Gulfport Community Land Trust and Turkey Creek Community Initiatives, and an army of volunteers, nothing would be getting done.

We next drove down Rippy Road, the center of the northern Gulfport community of Turkey Creek, to see firsthand its destruction. The historic residences in this African American neighborhood were part of a settlement built by freed slaves in the Reconstruction Era. Many of those homes are now uninhabitable.

While in another church parking lot, all three of us on separate cellphone conversations, one of my colleagues whooped with delight when she heard that the Kentucky-bound truck had arrived at Good Deeds 'I'm in the chain gang unloading now" reported the Harrison County Supervisor staffer who has been working 14-hour days for eleven days straight. Unfortunately I had to report that the Long Beach pastor trying to track down a volunteer McDonald's truck could not be located and that no one knew where it had gone. We still had hope the Colorado Springs volunteers we met in the county courthouse could make a miracle happen as they'd promised to look for a mobile kitchen and cleaning supplies.

There's no question that eventually the need for legal services will be top priority and that it will be an on-going effort likely for years. The Mississippi Bar, clinical law professors and students, and pro bono law firm and legal aid attorneys are continuing their Herculean efforts. Lawyers will be critical. Only they can help people get legal guardianship of the children they now care for, help the newly disabled get SSI benefits, elderly homeowners avoid predatory lenders, families file for bankruptcy, the insured appeal denials of coverage because damage is deemed caused by flood (not covered) not hurricane (which is), and help with myriad other legal issues.

However, the immediate imperative is to cut through the bureaucracy and get the hurricane's victims the most basic of life's needs now. The United States is the most powerful and richest nation in the history of the world. That power and resources now needs to be used to get life's essentials to thousands of people who are facing chaos, devastation and death. But what we saw, or didn't see, was as potentially devastating. A system that has broken down will bring down all who are in need. Headlines tell us that the relief effort is stepping up, but to the people we met in North Gulfport and Turkey Creek, and hundreds of places like them, those headlines are meaningless.

Please contact your Congressman and Senators and demand the FEMA redtape be cut;
Contact your local churches and synagogues to see how you can help their efforts be aware the needs change every 36 hours at least so contact with churches in the affected areas is key;
Donate money to community-based organizations and legal aid organizations in the affected states;
Brainstorm new ways to get help to the most affected areas immediately.
Before returning to Jackson, we left the 25 copies of the FEMA guide with the Supervisor's staffer at Good Deeds. She promised to distribute them at Sunday church services. "
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:19 PM
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457. Raw Story, from WSJ: Internal docs show feds "bungled" Katrina response
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Raw Story, from WSJ: Internal docs show feds "bungled" Katrina response
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 02:22 PM by highplainsdem

Separately, internal documents and emails from FEMA and other government agencies dating back to Aug. 31 and reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show the extent to which the federal government bungled its response to the hurricane. The documents highlight serious deficiencies in the Department of Homeland Security's National Response Plan, a post-Sept. 11 playbook on how to deal with catastrophic events. Mr. Chertoff activated the National Response Plan last Tuesday by declaring the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina an "Incident of National Significance."

In one instance, federal environmental health specialists, who were charged with protecting both rescue workers and evacuees, weren't called in by the Department of Homeland Security until Sunday -- 12 days after the Occupational Safety & Health Administration announced it had teams from various agencies standing by ready to assist. Even now, with mounting evidence of environmental problems, the deployment is being held up by continuing interagency wrangling, according to officials at the National Institutes of Health, which also is involved in the effort.

In addition, FEMA's official requests, known as tasking assignments and used by the agency to demand help from other government agencies, show that it first asked the Department of Transportation to look for buses to help evacuate the more than 20,000 people who had taken refuge at the Superdome in New Orleans at 1:45 a.m. on Aug. 31. At the time, it only asked for 455 buses and 300 ambulances for the enormous task. Almost 18 hours later, it canceled the request for the ambulances because it turned out, as one FEMA employee put it, "the DOT doesn't do ambulances."

FEMA ended up modifying the number of buses it thought it needed to get the job done, until it settled on a final request of 1,355 buses at 8:05 p.m. on Sept. 3. The buses, though, trickled into New Orleans, with only a dozen or so arriving on the first day.



The Raw Story article, with excerpts from the Wall Street Journal, is at

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Paper_Internal_documents_ ...



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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:42 PM
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463. 9/13 Blanco gives up on FEMA, hires firm herself to recover Louisiana dead
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Blanco gives up on FEMA, hires firm herself to recover Louisiana dead

Louisiana Hires Contractor to Help Recover Bodies
Sept. 13 (Bloomberg)

-- Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco said the state hired a contractor to recover bodies left in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, saying she had given up on the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

"In recent days, I have spoken with FEMA and administration officials to convey my absolute frustration regarding the lack of urgency and the lack of respect of our people whose lives were lost as a result of Hurricane Katrina,'' Blanco told reporters in Baton Rouge today during a meeting with state officials.

Blanco said Kenyon International Emergency Services, a Houston-based unit of Service Corp. International that has worked on Asian tsunami recovery effort, will find the corpses left after Katrina roared ashore on the U.S. Gulf Coast Aug. 29. The storm killed thousands, caused an estimated $100 billion in damage and left 80 percent of New Orleans submerged in water....

***

Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff said the agency that runs FEMA created a "system of recovery" a week ago and is responsible for the recovery of bodies, Blanco said, adding that even the highest government officials couldn't "break through the bureaucracy to get the coordination done." She also blamed the agency for not committing enough workers to the effort.

Respect

"I cannot bear to wait any longer," Blanco said today during a meeting with state officials. "In death as in life our people deserve more respect than they have received."...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=add...

ON EDIT: Re. FEMA's contracting with Kenyon --

Blanco said she has signed a contract with Kenyon International Emergency Services after the company threatened to pull out of the state because it had not yet signed a formal contract with FEMA.

Asked about the issue, FEMA spokesman David Passey said: "From what I understand, Kenyon had some questions about the contract."

http://today.reuters.com/investing/financeArticle.aspx?...
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 10:43 AM
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479. 9/14 Firm hired by Blanco is subsidiary of one FEMA would have hired
Search this page for "DMORT" for more.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

22. No, Kenyon International is a subsidary of SCI... it is the same company.

Blanco signed the FEMA contract. FEMA was in negotiations or something with SCI's Kenyon International
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:56 PM
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467. 9/13 Chertoff STILL Impeding FEMA Efforts
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Whistleblower: Chertoff Impeding Rescue NOW!

HS is scrambling to resurrect/protect it's tarnished image, and that of *, so much, they are screwing up even more! They definitely got the call from Rove..."look good, at any cost!"

<http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/13/164257/615 >


On last night's Nightline, FEMA staffer Leo Bosner appeared, careful to say he was giving his personal views, not the agency's official ones. He spoke quietly but did not mince words:

"Right now as we talk, unfortunately, Homeland Security is actually impeding - in my view - impeding the rescue effort. As I mentioned, we're running a 24/7 operation down there and we're trying to do the best we can at FEMA. And we're getting held back because we're bombarded with telephone calls, day and night, from Homeland Security, saying, `Oh, Secretary Chertoff has a press conference coming up, uh, stop everything and get us this information: Can you tell us exactly how many pounds of ice have been delivered to such and such county,' or, `Why are the number of rescues different from what they were six hours ago?' They're impeding the effort right now."
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 08:23 AM
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478. 9-14 re 9-13: Chertoff delayed federal response, memo shows

Posted on Tue, Sep. 13, 2005

Knight Ridder

http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/news/politic...


Chertoff delayed federal response, memo shows

BY JONATHAN S. LANDAY, ALISON YOUNG AND SHANNON MCCAFFREY

Knight Ridder Newspapers


WASHINGTON - (KRT) - The federal official with the power to mobilize a massive federal response to Hurricane Katrina was Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, not the former FEMA chief who was relieved of his duties and resigned earlier this week, federal documents reviewed by Knight Ridder show.

Even before the storm struck the Gulf Coast, Chertoff could have ordered federal agencies into action without any request from state or local officials. Federal Emergency Management Agency chief Michael Brown had only limited authority to do so until about 36 hours after the storm hit, when Chertoff designated him as the "principal federal official" in charge of the storm.

As thousands of hurricane victims went without food, water and shelter in the days after Katrina's early morning Aug. 29 landfall, critics assailed Brown for being responsible for delays that might have cost hundreds of lives.

But Chertoff - not Brown - was in charge of managing the national response to a catastrophic disaster, according to the National Response Plan, the federal government's blueprint for how agencies will handle major natural disasters or terrorist incidents. An order issued by President Bush in 2003 also assigned that responsibility to the homeland security director.


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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:49 AM
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487. 9-14KR Report: 'Confused' Chertoff Delayed Federal Katrina Response
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ep/20050914/en...

KR Report: 'Confused' Chertoff Delayed Federal Katrina Response Wed Sep 14, 6:38 PM ET




NEW YORK In a major scoop, three reporters with Knight Ridder's Washington bureau report that Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, not ex-FEMA chief Michael Brown, was the federal official with the power to mobilize a massive federal response to Hurricane Katrina.


In a damning allegation, they suggest that Chertoff may have been confused about his lead role in disaster response and that of his department.

The reporters -- Jonathan S. Landay, Alison Young and Shannon McCaffrey -- say this is based on federal documents they reviewed this week.

Even before the storm struck the Gulf Coast, they report, Chertoff could have ordered federal agencies into action without any request from state or local officials. Brown, they add, had only limited authority to do so until about 36 hours after the storm hit, when Chertoff designated him as the "principal federal official" in charge of the storm.

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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:05 AM
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468. 9/13 WSJ: Internal docs show feds "bungled" Katrina response
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Raw Story, from WSJ: Internal docs show feds "bungled" Katrina response

Separately, internal documents and emails from FEMA and other government agencies dating back to Aug. 31 and reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show the extent to which the federal government bungled its response to the hurricane. The documents highlight serious deficiencies in the Department of Homeland Security's National Response Plan, a post-Sept. 11 playbook on how to deal with catastrophic events. Mr. Chertoff activated the National Response Plan last Tuesday by declaring the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina an "Incident of National Significance."

In one instance, federal environmental health specialists, who were charged with protecting both rescue workers and evacuees, weren't called in by the Department of Homeland Security until Sunday -- 12 days after the Occupational Safety & Health Administration announced it had teams from various agencies standing by ready to assist. Even now, with mounting evidence of environmental problems, the deployment is being held up by continuing interagency wrangling, according to officials at the National Institutes of Health, which also is involved in the effort.

In addition, FEMA's official requests, known as tasking assignments and used by the agency to demand help from other government agencies, show that it first asked the Department of Transportation to look for buses to help evacuate the more than 20,000 people who had taken refuge at the Superdome in New Orleans at 1:45 a.m. on Aug. 31. At the time, it only asked for 455 buses and 300 ambulances for the enormous task. Almost 18 hours later, it canceled the request for the ambulances because it turned out, as one FEMA employee put it, "the DOT doesn't do ambulances."

FEMA ended up modifying the number of buses it thought it needed to get the job done, until it settled on a final request of 1,355 buses at 8:05 p.m. on Sept. 3. The buses, though, trickled into New Orleans, with only a dozen or so arriving on the first day.

The Raw Story article, with excerpts from the Wall Street Journal, is at

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Paper_Internal_documents_...
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 12:24 AM
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485. 9/14 Man Saved Day 16 Bec. N.G. Lt. Broke FEMA Order Not to Search Homes
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 12:26 AM by snot
From http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/14/12516/3649 :

Survivor rescued 16 days after the hurricane
By KEITH SHARON
The Orange County Register
September 14, 2005

NEW ORLEANS - . . . A human foot arching at an odd angle was visible through the front window of a locked and dark home.

The National Guard team of searchers was about to call in a "DB," or dead body . . . in the Broadmoor district when Lt. Frederick Fell decided to investigate.

In the past few days, the Federal Emergency Management Agency has ordered searchers not to break into homes. They are supposed to look in through a window and knock on the door. If no one cries out for help, they are supposed to move on. If they see a body, they are supposed to log the address and move on.

< snip >

Fell broke the rules and ordered his men to bash open the door, launching a series of events that would save a man's life and revitalize California Task Force 5 from Orange County.

< snip >

. . . 16 days after Hurricane Katrina smacked this aging community in the face, an unconscious and emaciated man identified as Edgar Hollingsworth, 74, was rescued. The man is expected to survive.

< snip >

Medics from California Task Force 5, which had been searching in the same neighborhood, were eventually able to get intravenous fluids through a vein under the man's clavicle in an intricate curbside medical procedure that may have saved the man's life.

The man had been lying on the couch in his locked and sweltering home.

< snip >

They pulled him out of the house and laid him on the sidewalk. He looked as if he weighed less than 80 pounds.

< snip >

"They were surprised at the hospital that anyone in his condition would still be alive," Czuleger said. "In 24 hours, he would have been dead.

"I think the young Army guy that found him saved his life."

< snip >

Hollingsworth had been lying naked on his blue-green couch. It was unclear if he had eaten or drunk anything for several days. He was not surrounded by food or water containers. His house was still in disarray from the storm. A chair had landed on top of the kitchen table.

< snip >

A pit-bull puppy was also pulled from the house. It appeared to be healthy and was transported to the hospital along with Edgar Hollingsworth.

Earlier, they had been frustrated when FEMA delayed their deployment for four days, housing them in the Hyatt Regency in Dallas.

They were frustrated further when they were given the FEMA order that they weren't allowed to force their way into houses to search them.

< snip >

Thank you, California National Guard. Too bad that half the Louisiana National Guard -- and their equipment -- were halfway around the world fighting George W Bush's illegitimate war, instead of saving the lives of people like Edgar Hollingsworth.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 08:50 PM
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488. 9/15 Brown admits calling WH within hours of Katrina's hit
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Brown admits calling WH within hours of Katrina's hit

NEW YORK - The former FEMA director who became a lightning rod for the sluggish federal response to Hurricane Katrina blamed state officials for the delays, according to a newspaper report.

Michael Brown told The New York Times that within hours of Katrina's attack on New Orleans he told the White House that Louisiana officials lacked an organized response, leading to an "out of control" situation.

Brown said he called Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and White House chief of staff Andrew Card to let them know the situation was out of control.

His account suggests the White House knew right away that the storm was leaving the coast in shambles.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050915/ap_on_re_us/katrina...
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 10:07 PM
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490. 9-15 "Sick and Abandoned" FEMA blocked emergency hospital
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Herbert/NYT: "Sick and Abandoned" FEMA blocked emergency hospital
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 12:14 PM by Nothing Without Hope

supplies and generator fuel from reaching Methodist Hospital, in the eastern part of New Orleans. The supplies sent from out of state by the hospital's owners to save dying patients and keep the emergency generators going was confiscated by FEMA. As a result, more patients died.

The story follows a tragic, despicable pattern that is all too familiar by now, but it's good to see it in the New York Times two and a half weeks after the storm. The outrage should not be allowed to cool.




September 15, 2005

Sick and Abandoned

By BOB HERBERT, op/ed columnist

(snip)

The patients and staff at Methodist could have been evacuated before Hurricane Katrina hit. But instead they were condemned to several days of fear and agony by bad decision-making in Louisiana and the chaotic ineptitude of the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Some of the patients died.

Incredibly, when the out-of-state corporate owners of the hospital responded to the flooding by sending emergency relief supplies, they were confiscated at the airport by FEMA and sent elsewhere.

(snip)

Everybody's suffering would have been eased if the emergency relief effort mounted by the hospital's owner, Universal Health Services in King of Prussia, Pa., had not been interfered with by FEMA. Company officials sent desperately needed water, food, diesel fuel to power the hospital's generators and helicopters to ferry in the supplies and evacuate the most vulnerable individuals.

Bruce Gilbert, Universal's general counsel, told me yesterday, "Those supplies were in fact taken from us by FEMA, and we were unable to get them to the hospital. We then determined that it would be better to send our supplies, food and water to Lafayette <130 miles from New Orleans> and have our helicopters fly them from Lafayette to the hospital."

(snip)

E-mail: bobherb@nytimes.com



Bob Herbert ends his article by pointing out that the story of the deadly consequences of the confiscated emergency supplies for Methodist hospital is "just one small part of the New Orleans catastrophe," hinting at the sheer scale of the massive societal failure that was allowed to happen. He concludes, "Welcome to the United States in 2005."

The abandonment of sick people is STILL going on under FEMA's murderously negligent direction. People are STILL dying of hunger and thirst in New Orleans and most probably all over the region devastated by the hurricane. For example this man in New Orleans, who was alone and abandoned without food or water:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/14/12516/3649
(DU thread on this dKos story here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ... )



Mr. Hollingsworth is still alive only because a California National Guard refused to follow orders from FEMA not to break into houses after he saw a foot in the window. This was TWO AND A HALF WEEKS AFTER THE STORM. There must be hundreds- thousands?- of others who are still dying or died within the last few days. There can be no conceivable excuse for this. It is negligent homicide on a massive scale.

We cannot let the outrage cool.

Right now there are hundreds, maybe thousands of people who have STILL not been rescued or helped. The GOP do not care, and some of them are positively gleeful (like that Baton Rouge pol who was overheard by a Wash Post reporter as he told lobbyists "We finally cleaned up public housing in New Orleans. We couldn't do it, but God did").
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...
Thread title: WP: Sympathetic Tone Eludes Some in GOP (Hit Jarring Notes re. Katrina)

We must hold them accountable and not let up on our efforts to motivate action to aid the victims and get the truth out about what has been and is being done to them in our name. And we must also be alert to block efforts by the Bush Administration not only to evade blame but also to use this national tragedy to grab ever more power in defiance of the Constitution:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...
Thread title: Bush says he may need more power in disasters
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...
Thread title: NPR Reports: GW to Blanco"I'll send in the troops if you answer to the WH"

Finally, though you may consider this off-topic, I feel it's vitally important to be alert to horrible actions done by the Bush Administration while the nation is in a state of shock over the Katrina aftermath. We need DU threads collecting these "under the radar" stories. A prime example: THE PENTAGON'S DRAFT PLAN FOR MAKING PRE-EMPTIVE NUCLEAR ATTACKS OFFICIAL US MILITARY POLICY IS NEARING APPROVAL.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...
Thread title: Pentagon Revises Nuclear Strike Plan
That's right, folks, if this is approved, Bush will be able to nuke anybody he wants if his handlers tell him that they MIGHT be CONSIDERING using bioweapons, or chemical ones at some point. We'd probably be in a nuclear World War III by this time if that had been on the books when he went into Iraq. And you know they've wanted "regime change" by any means in Iran for a long time and now they're giving those coded phrases about Syria too. THIS IS NO TIME TO LOSE ATTENTION!!!

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 10:12 PM
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491. 9-15KR Report: 'Confused' Chertoff Delayed Federal Katrina Response
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

KR Report: 'Confused' Chertoff Delayed Federal Katrina Response

NEW YORK In a major scoop, three reporters with Knight Ridder's Washington bureau report that Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, not ex-FEMA chief Michael Brown, was the federal official with the power to mobilize a massive federal response to Hurricane Katrina.

In a damning allegation, they suggest that Chertoff may have been confused about his lead role in disaster response and that of his department.

The reporters -- Jonathan S. Landay, Alison Young and Shannon McCaffrey -- say this is based on federal documents they reviewed this week.

Even before the storm struck the Gulf Coast, they report, Chertoff could have ordered federal agencies into action without any request from state or local officials. Brown, they add, had only limited authority to do so until about 36 hours after the storm hit, when Chertoff designated him as the "principal federal official" in charge of the storm.

As thousands of hurricane victims went without food, water, and shelter in the days after Katrina's early morning Aug. 29 landfall, critics assailed Brown for being responsible for delays that might have cost hundreds of lives, they write.

But Chertoff -- not Brown -- was in charge of managing the national response to a catastrophic disaster, according to the National Response Plan, the federal government's blueprint for how agencies will handle major natural disasters or terrorist incidents. An order issued by President Bush in 2003 also assigned that responsibility to the homeland security director.

More: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ep/20050914/en ...


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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 02:32 PM
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503. 9/16 FEMA Officials Were Shocked @ Failure of Brown & Chertoff to Mobilize
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
NPR follow-up story-DC FEMA Official Says Chertoff& Brown Ignored Warnings

Once again Chertoff/Brown are caught LYING!!

NPR doing a follow-up on previous story
FEMA Official Says Agency Heads Ignored Warnings
NPR - Morning Edition - 9/16/05
by Laura Sullivan

In the days before Hurricane Katrina hit land, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, FEMA Director Michael Brown and other top Homeland Security officials received e-mails on their blackberries warning that Katrina posed a dire threat to New Orleans and other areas. Yet one FEMA official tells NPR little was done.

Leo Bosner, an emergency management specialist at FEMA headquarters in Washington, D.C., is in charge of the unit that alerts officials of impending crises and manages the response. As early as Friday, Aug. 26, Bosner knew that Katrina could turn into a major emergency.

In daily e-mails -- known as National Situation Updates -- sent to Chertoff, Brown and others in the days before Katrina made landfall in the Gulf Coast, Bosner warned of its growing strength -- and of the particular danger the hurricane posed to New Orleans, much of which lies below sea level.

But Bosner says FEMA failed to organize the massive mobilization of National Guard troops and evacuation buses needed for a quick and effective relief response when Katrina struck. He says he and his colleagues at FEMA's D.C. headquarters were shocked by the lack of response.

"We could see all this going downhill," Bosner said, "but there was nothing we could do."

Entire audio at:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=48...
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 05:14 PM
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516. More pieces on similar subject
Edited on Sat Sep-17-05 05:16 PM by snot
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
A disturbing view from inside FEMA(Brown and Chertoff were given warnings)

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/17/katrina.response /

A disturbing view from inside FEMA
Worker: Decision-makers lack disaster experience

As Hurricane Katrina bore down on the Gulf Coast three weeks ago, veteran workers at the Federal Emergency Management Agency braced for an epic disaster.

But their bosses, political appointees with almost no emergency management experience, didn't seem to share the sense of urgency, a FEMA veteran said.

"We told these fellows that there was a killer hurricane heading right toward New Orleans," Leo Bosner, a 26-year FEMA employee and union leader told CNN. "We had done our job, but they didn't do theirs."( Watch video of the whistleblower)

Bosner's storm warning came early Saturday, three days before Hurricane Katrina came ashore in eastern Louisiana.

"New Orleans is of particular concern because much of that city lies below sea level," he warned in his daily alert to Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff, then-FEMA chief Michael Brown and other Bush administration officials.
________

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Early warnings raised doubt on Bush disaster plans

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N17208748.htm

17 Sep 2005 20:16:03 GMT
Source: Reuters

By Adam Entous

WASHINGTON, Sept 17 (Reuters) - In the months before Hurricane
Katrina, President George W. Bush sought to cut a key program to help
local governments raise their preparedness, and state officials
warned of a "total lack of focus" on natural disasters by his
homeland-security chief, documents show.

The disclosures add to questions over the administration's
emergency-response planning, Homeland Security Secretary Michael
Chertoff's priorities and the way the White House budgets for
disaster preparedness after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

Organizations representing emergency-response and security officials
at state and local agencies had complained of funding shortages and
what they saw as an excessive shift by the Homeland Security
Department away from preparing for natural disasters, as it focused
increasingly on terrorism.

In July, the National Emergency Management Association wrote lawmakers
expressing "grave" concern that still-pending changes proposed by
Chertoff would undercut the Federal Emergency Management Agency
(FEMA).
<snip>

more... http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N17208748.htm
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 12:08 AM
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507. 9/16 FEMA Ordered Dr. to STOP Treating Victims--Watched 2 Die
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Doctor says FEMA ordered him to stop treating hurricane victims
http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/091605/new_doctoror...
In the midst of administering chest compressions to a dying woman several days after Hurricane Katrina struck, Dr. Mark N. Perlmutter was ordered to stop by a federal official because he wasn't registered with the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

"I begged him to let me continue," said Perlmutter, who left his home and practice as an orthopedic surgeon in Pennsylvania to come to Louisiana and volunteer to care for hurricane victims. "People were dying, and I was the only doctor on the tarmac (at the Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport) where scores of nonresponsive patients lay on stretchers. Two patients died in front of me.

<snip>

Lori Price
http://www.legitgov.org/index.html#breaking_news
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 12:20 AM
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508. 9/16 Oil Workers Get New Homes Fast
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
LA: Displaced oil workers get new homes

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/15/katrina.sugarville.reu...
Compared with many others forced from their homes by Hurricane Katrina, residents of Sugarville have comfortable new houses, complete with amenities like soft beds, DVD players and full refrigerators.

Of course, "Sugarville" is actually a huge dirt lot on the grounds of the Royal Dutch Shell Sugarland Terminal in this southeastern Louisiana town.

The "houses" are Fleetwood Enterprises trailers supplied by the Federal Emergency Management Agency to house oil workers and their families displaced by the storm that devastated the U.S. Gulf Coast.

For those in the storm's path, there are complaints far and wide that disaster response officials are not moving fast enough to find housing for storm evacuees. But when it comes to the oil industry, FEMA moved quickly, scrambling to get trailers so refineries could come back online and crude could begin flowing again.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 12:34 AM
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509. 9/16 Criteria for FEMA Aid Not to Be Divulged to Victims???
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
FEMA's response at our town hall meeting

We have had two town hall meetings (last night and the night before) and invited evacuees from the New Orleans area that are staying in our town to come and meet with our city's leaders to discuss how we can help them more.

Last night the FEMA person for our area came to address some of the evacuees concerns. Not a single evacuee here has received anything from FEMA. They wanted to know why. The FEMA person said that after they registered with FEMA, and if they qualified, it would be about 10 days before they received a check. It has been close to two weeks since a majority of our evacuees registered with FEMA. Everyone wanted to know what the qualifications were to receive a check. She said that she couldn't tell what the qualifications were. We asked her what did she mean that she "couldn't tell us what the qualifications were"? She said that there were certain qualifications that people applying for FEMA benefits had to meet, but they were "secret", and could not be divulged because FEMA was concerned that if the qualifications were made public people who didn't qualify would apply for benefits using fake qualifications that met the criteria.

It was a packed hall, and you could have heard a pin drop after she said that. What kind of crap is that! I didn't know that FEMA had "secret" qualifications to receive benefits.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 01:42 PM
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511. 9/17 NYT: FEMA, Slow to the Rescue, Now Stumbles in Aid Effort
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
NYT: FEMA, Slow to the Rescue, Now Stumbles in Aid Effort
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/17/national/nationalspec...

BATON ROUGE, La., Sept 16 - Nearly three weeks after Hurricane Katrina cut its devastating path, FEMA - the same federal agency that botched the rescue mission - is faltering in its effort to aid hundreds of thousands of storm victims, local officials, evacuees and top federal relief officials say. The federal aid hot line mentioned by President Bush in his address to the nation on Thursday cannot handle the flood of calls, leaving thousands of people unable to get through for help, day after day.

Federal officials are often unable to give local governments permission to proceed with fundamental tasks to get their towns running again. Most areas in the region still lack federal help centers, the one-stop shopping sites for residents in need of aid for their homes or families. Officials say that they are uncertain whether they can meet the president's goal of providing housing for 100,000 people who are now in shelters by the middle of next month.

While the agency has redoubled its efforts to get food, money and temporary shelter to the storm victims, serious problems remain throughout the affected region. Visits to several towns in Louisiana and Mississippi, as well as interviews with dozens of local and federal officials, provide a portrait of a fragmented and dysfunctional system.

The top two federal relief officials in charge of the effort both acknowledged in interviews late this week that they too have listened to the frustrated voices of local officials and citizens alike, and find their complaints valid.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 02:47 PM
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514. 9/17 Michael Moore Rpts His Own Relief Efforts, & FEMA's Complete Absence
Michael Moore's updates from Covington

http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/covington.php?id=2...

Friends,

Last week I closed my New York production office and sent my staff down to New Orleans to set up our own relief effort. I asked all of you to help me by sending food, materials and cash to the emergency relief center we helped set up on the shores of Lake Pontchartrain with the Veterans for Peace. We did this when the government was doing nothing and the Red Cross was still trying to get it together. Every day, every minute was critical. People were dying, poor people, black people, left like so much trash in the street. I wanted to find a way to get aid in there immediately.

I hooked up with the Vietnam veterans and Iraqi war vets (Veterans for Peace) who were organizing a guerilla, grass-roots relief effort. They were the same group that had set up Cindy Sheehan's camp in Crawford and now they had moved Camp Casey to Louisiana.

I have good news and horrible news to report. First, your response to my appeal letter was overwhelming. Within a few days, a half-million dollars was sent in through my website to fund our relief effort. This money was immediately used to buy generators, food, water, a mobile medical van, tents, satellite phones, etc.

Others of you began shipping supplies to our encampment. People in communities all over the country started organizing truck caravans to us in Louisiana. Twenty-two trucks from southern California alone have already arrived. A semi-truck from Chicago delivered ten tons of food. A group of friends in New Jersey got two 24 foot trucks, got their community to load them up with goods, and arrived in Covington tonight. Fifteen iMacs are inbound from California. One man gave us his pick-up truck and another donated truck is en route from Houston.

Your response to my appeal has been nothing short of miraculous. And it has saved many, many lives.

A number of you decided to just get in your cars and drive to our camp to volunteer to help. We now have had 150 volunteers here doing the work that needs to be done. Last night they unloaded twenty tons of food from a tractor trailer in under two hours. Each day more volunteers arrive. Everyone is sleeping on the ground or in tents. It is a remarkable sight. Thank you, all of you, for responding. I will never forget this outpouring of generosity to those forgotten by our own government.

My staff and the vets spend their 18-hour days delivering food and water throughout the city of New Orleans and the surrounding areas. What they have seen is appalling. I have asked them to post their daily diaries on my website (www.michaelmoore.com ) along with accompanying photos and video so you can learn what is really going on. What the media is showing you is NOT the whole story. It is much, much worse and there is still little being done to bring help to those who need it.

Our group has visited many outlying towns and villages in Mississippi and Louisiana, places the Red Cross and FEMA haven't visited in over a week. Often our volunteers are the first relief any of these people have seen. They have no food, water or electricity. People die every day. There are no TV cameras recording this. They have started to report the spin and PR put out by the White House, the happy news that often isn't true ("Everyone gets 2,000 dollars!").

The truth is that there are dead bodies everywhere and no one is picking them up. My crew reports that in most areas there is no FEMA presence, and very little Red Cross. It's been over two weeks since the hurricane and there is simply not much being done. At this point, would you call this situation incompetence or a purposeful refusal to get real help down there?

That's why we decided not to wait. And we are so grateful to all of you who have joined us. The Veterans for Peace and my staff aren't leaving (and that's why we are hoping those of you who can't get to Covington will make it to the Veterans for Peace co-sponsored anti-war demonstration in DC on September 24: www.unitedforpeace.org .)

If you want to help, here's what we need in Covington right now:

Cleaning Supplies (glass cleaner, bleach, disinfectant, etc.)
Aspirin and other basic over the counter drugs.
Bottled Water
Canned Goods
Hygiene Supplies
Baby Supplies - Baby Food Formula, diapers #4, #5, Wipes, Pedialyte
Sterile Gloves
Batteries - All kinds, from AA to watch and hearing aid batteries.
Volunteers with trucks and cars
Self contained kitchens with generators, utensils, workers

Consider sending supplies in reusable containers. List the contents on the outside of the package so the folks in the warehouse can easily sort the items.

Clothes are not needed. If you go, keep in mind that you MUST be self-sufficient. Bring a tent and a sleeping bag. People are driving to Covington from across the country and often have extra room in their cars for you or for an extra box of supplies. For more information, go to the Veterans for Peace message board: www.vfproadtrips.org/katrina/.

Send supplies via UPS to:
Veterans for Peace
Omni Storage
74145 Hwy. 25
Covington LA

Thanks again for funding and supporting our relief efforts. It has been a bright spot in this otherwise shameful month.

Yours,
Michael Moore
mike@michaelmoore.com
www.michaelmoore.com
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 03:47 PM
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520. 9/18 People Are Still Dying and FEMA's Still Ignoring Them
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/17/223753/006 :
URGENT FROM BOGALUSA...PEOPLE ARE F**KING DYING
by Barbara

(edited bec. of copyright concerns)
Sat Sep 17th, 2005 at 19:37:53 PDT

Barbara's diary :: ::
I talked to FEMA reps, RC reps, State Health reps and the hospital folks and received the same "we don't need doctors or nurses to run clinics" (I've been placing medical teams)

Today at the Red Cross shelter, the doctor I traveled with...Dr. Ken Levine, was STILL seeing patients that 'didn't need him' when I left at 7 p.m.

There is NO MEDIA HERE...PLEASE KOSSACKS, GET ME MEDIA...THE NATIONAL KIND NOW.

I went to check on my little 80 year old ladies today and stopped at another house with TWO TREES still through it and the couple living there...14 days AFTER the hurricane hit, they put a sign out on their lawn that said "this is how the government treats you"...FEMA went there the next day, gave them a $2k check and wished them good luck.

These people have NOT seen the RC and scavange for food/water. She drove for an hour and waited in line for 9 hours to fill out the paperwork for getting RED CROSS vouchers and then was given a NUMBER and told to come back on MONDAY. Now you might think, well they must be in the middle of no where...WRONG, these people are on the ROAD THAT ALL THE GOVERNMENT agencies take to the main control center at least 10 times daily. FEMA never even got people to remove the trees off their roof, they had FRIENDS show up finally.

At my little 80 year old ladies home, I find out they haven't seen the RED CROSS for 2 days and they were out of food and water and needed medical attention and meds. I got them all of that.

While there, their young neighbor talked with the photo journalists who requested I talk to him and I find out that the RED CROSS REFUSED to talk to him, much less help him. This is a 36 year old man who has a wife with POLIO and they are living in a church with NOTHING. FEMA won't talk to them, they have no phone, etc.

So KOSSACKS, here is the low down from here and what I am praying you will do.

Contact the press and get them to come here and use me as their 'point' person so I can show them the 'real' shit.
Contact the RED CROSS and ask them where the fuck the $700 million is going, cuz they sure aren't helping the folks much here. Sure, they have shelters and soup kitchens, but that is that. The shelters may or may not have food or sundry items. I actually took a load of things to the one here today because they didn't have stuff.

CALL ME if you need to. The church where I am staying at night has good cell coverage...during the day in Bogalusa, it's hit/miss.

619.213.2762

(More at link above)
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:10 PM
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529. 9/18 FEMA ordering ALL recovered bodies be prayed over
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
FEMA ordering ALL recovered bodies be prayed over !!!!

... An issue raised by the Feds that Kenyon (Kenyon Worldwide Disaster Services )found distasteful: an instruction that chaplains bless recovered bodies. A company source said the Feds are insisting on this, and the first chaplains are supposed to go out this week. Asked if that was mixing church and state, a FEMA spokeswoman responded: "A prayer is not necessarily religious. Everybody prays."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9379239/site/newsweek /
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:18 PM
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533. 9/18 Where Were the 500 FEMA Busses?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Gov. Blanco still wants 1question answered: Where were the 500 FEMA buses?

Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 02:33 PM by Sapphire Blue

Blanco says feds pledged buses

By MICHELLE MILLHOLLON
mmillhollon@theadvocate.com
Capitol news bureau

Nearly three weeks after Hurricane Katrina raged ashore, Gov. Kathleen Blanco still wants one question answered.
Where were the buses?

Hours after the hurricane hit Aug. 29, the Federal Emergency Management Agency announced a plan to send 500 commercial buses into New Orleans to rescue thousands of people left stranded on highways, overpasses and in shelters, hospitals and homes.

On the day of the storm, or perhaps the day after, FEMA turned down the state's suggestion to use school buses because they are not air conditioned, Blanco said Friday in an interview.

Even after levees broke and residents were crowding the Louisiana Superdome, then-FEMA Director Mike Brown was bent on using his own buses to evacuate New Orleans, Blanco said.

Continued : http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/091805/new_blanco00...
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 01:02 PM
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551. 8-29-FEMA and the busses
FEMA subcontracting and the buses of New Orleans
by dmsilev
Fri Sep 23rd, 2005 at 05:09:05 PDT
On the front page of this morning's Chicago Tribune, we learn some frightening details about why it took FEMA so bloody long to get buses into New Orleans to evacuate the Superdome and Convention Center. Surprising precisely nobody, it's another example of public money being funneled to companies whose chiefs supported the administration. Said company sat on its ass for a couple of days, and then slowly got in gear, while offers of buses from other sources were ignored.

Quotes below

dmsilev's diary :: ::

Two days after Hurricane Katrina made landfall, as images of devastation along the Gulf Coast and despair in New Orleans flickered across television screens, the head of one of the nation's largest bus associations repeatedly called federal disaster officials to offer help.

Peter Pantuso of the American Bus Association said he spent much of the day on Wednesday, Aug. 31, trying to find someone at the Federal Emergency Management Agency who could tell him how many buses were needed for an evacuation, where they should be sent and who was overseeing the effort.

"We never talked directly to FEMA or got a call back from them," Pantuso said.


They wanted to help. This is an association of bus lines (including Greyhound), charter bus companies, and the like. In other words, a group of companies that could, if asked, rapidly provide large amounts of transportation. Furthermore, a professional association is the logical clearinghouse to coordinate the efforts of the whole industry.

So what does FEMA do? Contract it out to one firm:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/23/895/00538
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:55 PM
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16. Pre K: Scientific info on probable damage
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:17 PM
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96. Scientific American: Drowning New Orleans
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:18 PM
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98. Popular Mechanics: New Orleans Is Sinking
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:36 PM
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108. Natural Hazards Observer: What if Hurricane Ivan Had Not Missed NO?
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:37 PM
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109. PBS NOW: New Orleans and the Delta
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:38 PM
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110. LSU Study: Would New Orleans Really Flood in a Major Hurricane
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:41 PM
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112. Nat'l Geographic: Gone with the Water
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 08:01 PM
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343. 9/10 (orig 9/2) Models predicted New Orleans disaster, experts say
Models predicted New Orleans disaster, experts say
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N02521178.htm

WASHINGTON, Sept 2 (Reuters) - Virtually everything that has happened in
New Orleans since Hurricane Katrina struck was predicted by experts and
in computer models, so emergency management specialists wonder why
authorities were so unprepared.

"The scenario of a major hurricane hitting New Orleans was well
anticipated, predicted and drilled around," said Clare Rubin, an
emergency management consultant who also teaches at the Institute for
Crisis, Disaster, and Risk Management at George Washington University.

In light of that, said disaster expert Bill Waugh of Georgia State
University, "It's inexplicable how unprepared for the flooding they
were." He said a slow decline over several years in funding for
emergency management was partly to blame.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:57 PM
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17. Pre K: Media articles on probable damage
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:46 PM
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116. DU thread with multiple links
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:58 PM
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18. Pre K: Fed Govt knowledge about probable damage
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:22 PM
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100. Disaster in the Making (RE FEMA)
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:21 AM
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129. 2001, FEMA warned a hurricane at N.O. was one of 3 most likely disasters
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 12:27 AM by snot
In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the
three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New
Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,37...

Also, from a post I believe at DU but I don't have the link, I kept the following:

FACTS: Bush was told about NO, he funded a study to confirm & then CUT $$

#1 Bush was told in 2001 that New Orleans was a National Issue
#2 Bush funded a $500K study to confrim this in 2004
#3 Bush cut New Orleans hurricane funds by 80%

Point #1
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In 2001, FEMA ranked a major hurricane strike on New Orleans as among the three likeliest, most castastrophic disasters facing this country. Bush slashed hurricane funding anyway. August 29, 2005 10:19

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/08/29/bush-knew

Point #2 - Study to confirm
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IEM Team to Develop Catastrophic Hurricane Disaster Plan for New Orleans & Southeast Louisiana
June 3, 2004

IEM, Inc., the Baton Rouge-based emergency management and homeland security consultant, will lead the development of a catastrophic hurricane disaster plan for Southeast Louisiana and the City of New Orleans under a more than half a million dollar contract with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security/Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).

In making the announcement today on behalf of teaming partners Dewberry, URS Corporation and James Lee Witt Associates, IEM Director of Homeland Security Wayne Thomas explained that the development of a base catastrophic hurricane disaster plan has urgency due to the recent start of the annual hurricane season which runs through November. National weather experts are predicting an above normal Atlantic hurricane season with six to eight hurricanes, of which three could be categorized as major.

The IEM team will complete a functional exercise on a catastrophic hurricane strike in Southeast Louisiana and use results to develop a response and recovery plan. A catastrophic event is one that can overwhelm State, local and private capabilities so quickly that communities could be devastated without Federal assistance and multi-agency planning and preparedness.

Thomas said that the greater New Orleans area is one of the nations most vulnerable locations for hurricane landfall.

(snip)

http://www.ieminc.com/Whats_New/Press_Releases/pressrel

Point #3 - Bush cuts NO funding by 80%
--------------------------------------
In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.

On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."

Also that June, with the 2004 hurricane season starting, the Corps' project manager Al Naomi went before a local agency, the East Jefferson Levee Authority, and essentially begged for $2 million for urgent work that Washington was now unable to pay for. From the June 18, 2004 Times-Picayune:

"The system is in great shape, but the levees are sinking. Everything is sinking, and if we don't get the money fast enough to raise them, then we can't stay ahead of the settlement," he said. "The problem that we have isn't that the levee is low, but that the federal funds have dried up so that we can't raise them."
snip

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_di...

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #18
256. Sept 9: Hurricane Simulation Predicted 61,290 Dead (They KNEW!)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050909/ap_on_re_us/katrina... ;_ylt=AotFRjeFf_Ee0quwpSe6Qums0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MjBwMWtkBHNlYwM3MTg

Hurricane Simulation Predicted 61,290 Dead
By RON FOURNIER and TED BRIDIS, Associated Press Writers
10 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - As Katrina roared into the Gulf of Mexico, emergency planners pored over maps and charts of a hurricane simulation that projected 61,290 dead and 384,257 injured or sick in a catastrophic flood that would leave swaths of southeast Louisiana uninhabitable for more than a year.

These planners were not involved in the frantic preparations for Katrina. By coincidence, they were working on a yearlong project to prepare federal and state officials for a Category 3 hurricane striking New Orleans.

Their fictitious storm eerily foreshadowed the havoc wrought by Category 4 Katrina a few days later, raising questions about whether government leaders did everything possible as early as possible to protect New Orleans residents from a well-documented threat.

After watching many of their predictions prove grimly accurate, "Hurricane Pam" planners now hope they were wrong about one detail the death toll. The 61,290 estimate is six times what New Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin has warned people to expect
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #18
391. 9/11 (orig post 9/5) Prior Knowledge Laundry List
Katrina 'Prior Knowledge' Laundry List:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:46 AM
Response to Reply #18
517. 9/17 Flood Experts Warned Dennis Hastert(R)That Fema Would Fail Floods
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Flood Experts Warned Dennis Hastert(R)That Fema Would Fail Floods

Verbatim repost:

BREAKING NEWS:
FLOOD EXPERTS WARNED SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE DENNIS HASTERT(R)THAT FEMA WOULD FAIL IN FLOOD DISASTER WHILE UNDER DEPT OF HOMELAND SECURITY

I just found a January 2005 smoking gun letter from flood experts known as the Association of State Floodplain Managers written to Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert warning that FEMA had been dangerously weakened by being made part of the Department of Homeland Security.

http://www.floods.org

>Dedicated to reducing flood losses in the nation.<

"The Association of State Floodplain Managers is an organization of nearly 7,000
professionals involved in floodplain management, flood hazard mitigation, the National
Flood Insurance Program, flood preparedness, warning and recovery and the multi-objective
management of our nation's floodplains and waterways. ASFPM is a respected
voice in floodplain management practice and policy in the United States. It represents the
flood hazard specialists of local, state and federal government, the private sector, the
research community, the insurance industry, and the professional disciplines of
engineering, planning, hydrologic forecasting, emergency response, water resources, and
others."

http://www.floods.org/PDF/ASFPM_Letter_FEMAinDHS_House_...

The letter reminds Hastert(R) that the General Accounting Office had warned that FEMA would be weakened under DHS back in September, 2003.

The letter also reminds Hastert that the House Judiciary Committee and House Transportation and Infrastructure Committees had agreed with the importance of FEMA staying independent of DHS to remain effective and recommended FEMA therefore be kept out of DHS.

The ASFPM letter describes exactly how FEMA was dismantled and buried under DHS:

"Since FEMA has become part of the Department of Homeland Security, it has been a
struggle. Funds have been raided, staff have been transferred into other DHS functions
without being replaced, slowdowns because of added layers of bureaucracy for nearly all
functions have dramatically increased, and there is the constant threat of reprogramming
appropriated funds."

"If FEMA is pulled apart, doesnt have a direct link
to the President, and cannot communicate effectively with Congress, all of the progress
made over the last 15 years could be for naught."

THIS MEANS THAT THE GOP 'LEADERSHIP' IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MUCH OF THE LACK OF DISASTER PREPAREDNESS AND LOSS OF LIFE DUE TO STORM KATRINA BECAUSE THEY TOOK APART FEMA AND DIDN'T LISTEN TO WARNINGS OF THE CONSEQUENCES.

TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW.
--------------------------

(full transcript of letter to Dennis Hastert from pdf)

ASSOCIATION OF STATE FLOODPLAIN MANAGERS, INC.
2809 Fish Hatchery Road Madison, Wisconsin 53713
Ph: 608-274-0123
Fax: 608-274-0696
Website: www.floods.org
Email: asfpm@floods.org

Dedicated to reducing flood losses in the nation.

Chair
Chad Berginnis, CFM
Supervisor
Ohio DNR - Division Of Water
1939 Fountain Square, Bldg. E-3
Columbus, OH 43224
614-265-6715
Fax 614-447-9503
chad.berginnis@dnr.state.oh.us

Vice Chair
Pam Pogue, CFM
NFIP State Coordinator
Rhode Isl. Emerg Mgmt Agency
645 New London Ave.
Cranston, RI 02920
401-946-9996
Fax 401-944-1891
pam.pogue@ri.ngb.army.mil

Secretary
Rhonda Montgomery, CFM
NFIP State Coordinator
Kansas Dept. of Ag.- DWR
109 SW 9 th St., 2 nd Floor
Topeka, KS 66612
785-296-4622
Fax 785-296-4835
rmontgomery@kda.state.ks.us

Treasurer
William Nechamen, CFM
NFIP State Coordinator
New York State DEC
625 Broadway, 4th Floor
Albany, NY 12233
518-402-8146
Fax 518-402-9029
wsnecham@gw.dec.state.ny.us

Executive Director
Larry A. Larson, P.E., CFM
Executive Director
2809 Fish Hatchery Road
Madison, WI 53713
608-274-0123
Fax 608-274-0696
larry@floods.org


January 6, 2005
The Honorable Dennis Hastert, Speaker
United States House of Representatives
H 232 Capitol
Washington, DC 20515

RE: House Reorganization of Authorizing Committees involving FEMA programs
Dear Mr. Speaker:

The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is one of the 22 departments and
agencies that were combined to create the Department of Homeland Security (DHS),
where the primary mission is to protect the nation against terrorism. The effectiveness of
FEMA's all hazards programs is increasingly threatened with regard to natural disasters.

As you are well aware, the Congress is in the process of reorganizing itself to better
consider homeland security issues. The Department of Homeland Security is now 2 years
old. As the organization of the DHS itself and Congressional reorganization are
considered, the Association of State Floodplain Managers (ASFPM) urges you to make
sure that natural hazards programs retain their integrity and, therefore, their effectiveness.

The Association of State Floodplain Managers is an organization of nearly 7,000
professionals involved in floodplain management, flood hazard mitigation, the National
Flood Insurance Program, flood preparedness, warning and recovery and the multi-objective
management of our nation's floodplains and waterways. ASFPM is a respected
voice in floodplain management practice and policy in the United States. It represents the
flood hazard specialists of local, state and federal government, the private sector, the
research community, the insurance industry, and the professional disciplines of
engineering, planning, hydrologic forecasting, emergency response, water resources, and
others.

FEMA, since its creation, had matured into an organization that became recognized for
effectiveness in carrying out its mission preparing for, responding to, recovering from,
and mitigating against all hazards. Natural disasters are the most frequent and,
cumulatively, most costly disasters, including terrorist events. FEMA had established a
reputation for nimble responsiveness. This was closely related to the agency's capacity for
flexibility and especially well coordinated, genuine give-and-take partnerships with states
and localities. In addition to supporting responsiveness, these factors also allowed FEMA
to develop well conceived programs promoting hazard mitigation. Such programs sought
to permanently break the cycle, after a disaster event, of damage/rebuild/damage since
much of the recovery and repair costs were borne by taxpayers. After the terrorist attacks
on September 11 th and FEMAs inclusion into the Department of Homeland Security, this
began to change.

----------------------------------
Page Two

The ASFPM has been concerned from the beginning that inclusion of FEMA in DHS
might not bode well for the progress the nation has made in reducing the nations risk to
natural hazards. We fully recognize the need for our national emphasis on terrorism;
however, the effectiveness of natural hazards programs and the all-hazards concept must
not be sacrificed in the process. Due to the sheer number magnitude of impact of natural
disasters, FEMA's work is more heavily focused on these events.

The ASFPM is not the only organization that has these concerns. The General Accounting
Office, in its September 2003 report, said the following:
Moreover, the placement of FEMA within DHS represents a substantially changed
environment in which FEMA will conduct its missions in the future, and missions
that focus on reducing the impacts of natural hazards, such as hazard mitigation
and flood insurance, may receive decreased emphasis. Sustained attention to
these programs will be needed to ensure they maintain or improve their
effectiveness in protecting the nation against, and reducing federal costs
associated with, natural disasters.

It should not be surprising that there is concern about FEMAs organizational structure or
its loss of focus on a multi-hazard mission it is merely a continuation of the debate that
began in Congress when DHS was created. The House Judiciary Committee and the
House Transportation and Infrastructure Committees had misgivings about the inclusion
of FEMA in DHS and both recommended that FEMA remain an independent agency to
preserve the traditional mission of FEMA. Also, a Brookings Institution analysis in 2002
raised concern that much of the progress FEMA has made over two decades could be
reversed.

Since FEMA has become part of the Department of Homeland Security, it has been a
struggle. Funds have been raided, staff have been transferred into other DHS functions
without being replaced, slowdowns because of added layers of bureaucracy for nearly all
functions have dramatically increased, and there is the constant threat of reprogramming
appropriated funds. Strongly felt worries about such matters led the ASFPM Board of
Directors, in August 2004, to pass a resolution recognizing FEMAs accomplishments and
its challenges. The resolution calls for FEMA to be removed from the Department of
Homeland Security and for its ability to report directly to the President to be restored.
The Board, made up of state and local officials, felt strongly that FEMA doesnt have to
be part of a larger agency to share its expertise and utilize its network of state and local
officials for all hazards management. If FEMA is pulled apart, doesnt have a direct link
to the President, and cannot communicate effectively with Congress, all of the progress
made over the last 15 years could be for naught.

The Association of State Floodplain Managers recommends that
1) Congressional
reorganization for homeland security reflect attention to the importance of natural disaster
programs and policies and that
2) the Congress undertake an evaluation of the structure of
DHS and FEMA as it affects retention of an effective capacity for natural hazards
response and mitigation programs.
----------------------------------------------------------------

Page Three

Natural disasters impact Americans every single day. In 2004, 35 states had Presidentially
declared disasters all as a result of natural hazards. Please do not allow the agency that
is in the forefront of dealing with these hazards to be made less effective or pulled apart
altogether. Please make certain that the Congressional structure reflects appropriate
attention to the frequency and the magnitude of impact of natural disasters. If you have
any questions or comments, do not hesitate to contact Larry Larson, ASFPM Executive
Director, or myself.

Respectfully,
Chad Berginnis, CFM
Chair
===

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:06 PM
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523. 9-18-05-!! Flood Experts Warned Dennis Hastert(R)That Fema Would Fail Floo
Tinoire (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-18-05 05:42 AM
Original message
!! Flood Experts Warned Dennis Hastert(R)That Fema Would Fail Floods
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 05:42 AM by Tinoire

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Verbatim repost:

BREAKING NEWS:
FLOOD EXPERTS WARNED SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE DENNIS HASTERT(R)THAT FEMA WOULD FAIL IN FLOOD DISASTER WHILE UNDER DEPT OF HOMELAND SECURITY

I just found a January 2005 smoking gun letter from flood experts known as the Association of State Floodplain Managers written to Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert warning that FEMA had been dangerously weakened by being made part of the Department of Homeland Security.

http://www.floods.org

>Dedicated to reducing flood losses in the nation.<

"The Association of State Floodplain Managers is an organization of nearly 7,000
professionals involved in floodplain management, flood hazard mitigation, the National
Flood Insurance Program, flood preparedness, warning and recovery and the multi-objective
management of our nation's floodplains and waterways. ASFPM is a respected
voice in floodplain management practice and policy in the United States. It represents the
flood hazard specialists of local, state and federal government, the private sector, the
research community, the insurance industry, and the professional disciplines of
engineering, planning, hydrologic forecasting, emergency response, water resources, and
others."

http://www.floods.org/PDF/ASFPM_Letter_FEMAinDHS_House_ ...

The letter reminds Hastert(R) that the General Accounting Office had warned that FEMA would be weakened under DHS back in September, 2003.

The letter also reminds Hastert that the House Judiciary Committee and House Transportation and Infrastructure Committees had agreed with the importance of FEMA staying independent of DHS to remain effective and recommended FEMA therefore be kept out of DHS.

The ASFPM letter describes exactly how FEMA was dismantled and buried under DHS:

"Since FEMA has become part of the Department of Homeland Security, it has been a
struggle. Funds have been raided, staff have been transferred into other DHS functions
without being replaced, slowdowns because of added layers of bureaucracy for nearly all
functions have dramatically increased, and there is the constant threat of reprogramming
appropriated funds."

"If FEMA is pulled apart, doesnt have a direct link
to the President, and cannot communicate effectively with Congress, all of the progress
made over the last 15 years could be for naught."

THIS MEANS THAT THE GOP 'LEADERSHIP' IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MUCH OF THE LACK OF DISASTER PREPAREDNESS AND LOSS OF LIFE DUE TO STORM KATRINA BECAUSE THEY TOOK APART FEMA AND DIDN'T LISTEN TO WARNINGS OF THE CONSEQUENCES.

TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW.
--------------------------

(full transcript of letter to Dennis Hastert from pdf)


ASSOCIATION OF STATE FLOODPLAIN MANAGERS, INC.
2809 Fish Hatchery Road Madison, Wisconsin 53713
Ph: 608-274-0123
Fax: 608-274-0696
Website: www.floods.org
Email: asfpm@floods.org

Dedicated to reducing flood losses in the nation.

Chair
Chad Berginnis, CFM
Supervisor
Ohio DNR - Division Of Water
1939 Fountain Square, Bldg. E-3
Columbus, OH 43224
614-265-6715
Fax 614-447-9503
chad.berginnis@dnr.state.oh.us

Vice Chair
Pam Pogue, CFM
NFIP State Coordinator
Rhode Isl. Emerg Mgmt Agency
645 New London Ave.
Cranston, RI 02920
401-946-9996
Fax 401-944-1891
pam.pogue@ri.ngb.army.mil

Secretary
Rhonda Montgomery, CFM
NFIP State Coordinator
Kansas Dept. of Ag.- DWR
109 SW 9 th St., 2 nd Floor
Topeka, KS 66612
785-296-4622
Fax 785-296-4835
rmontgomery@kda.state.ks.us

Treasurer
William Nechamen, CFM
NFIP State Coordinator
New York State DEC
625 Broadway, 4th Floor
Albany, NY 12233
518-402-8146
Fax 518-402-9029
wsnecham@gw.dec.state.ny.us

Executive Director
Larry A. Larson, P.E., CFM
Executive Director
2809 Fish Hatchery Road
Madison, WI 53713
608-274-0123
Fax 608-274-0696
larry@floods.org


January 6, 2005
The Honorable Dennis Hastert, Speaker
United States House of Representatives
H 232 Capitol
Washington, DC 20515

RE: House Reorganization of Authorizing Committees involving FEMA programs
Dear Mr. Speaker:

The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is one of the 22 departments and
agencies that were combined to create the Department of Homeland Security (DHS),
where the primary mission is to protect the nation against terrorism. The effectiveness of
FEMA's all hazards programs is increasingly threatened with regard to natural disasters.

As you are well aware, the Congress is in the process of reorganizing itself to better
consider homeland security issues. The Department of Homeland Security is now 2 years
old. As the organization of the DHS itself and Congressional reorganization are
considered, the Association of State Floodplain Managers (ASFPM) urges you to make
sure that natural hazards programs retain their integrity and, therefore, their effectiveness.

The Association of State Floodplain Managers is an organization of nearly 7,000
professionals involved in floodplain management, flood hazard mitigation, the National
Flood Insurance Program, flood preparedness, warning and recovery and the multi-objective
management of our nation's floodplains and waterways. ASFPM is a respected
voice in floodplain management practice and policy in the United States. It represents the
flood hazard specialists of local, state and federal government, the private sector, the
research community, the insurance industry, and the professional disciplines of
engineering, planning, hydrologic forecasting, emergency response, water resources, and
others.

FEMA, since its creation, had matured into an organization that became recognized for
effectiveness in carrying out its mission preparing for, responding to, recovering from,
and mitigating against all hazards. Natural disasters are the most frequent and,
cumulatively, most costly disasters, including terrorist events. FEMA had established a
reputation for nimble responsiveness. This was closely related to the agency's capacity for
flexibility and especially well coordinated, genuine give-and-take partnerships with states
and localities. In addition to supporting responsiveness, these factors also allowed FEMA
to develop well conceived programs promoting hazard mitigation. Such programs sought
to permanently break the cycle, after a disaster event, of damage/rebuild/damage since
much of the recovery and repair costs were borne by taxpayers. After the terrorist attacks
on September 11 th and FEMAs inclusion into the Department of Homeland Security, this
began to change.

----------------------------------
Page Two

The ASFPM has been concerned from the beginning that inclusion of FEMA in DHS
might not bode well for the progress the nation has made in reducing the nations risk to
natural hazards. We fully recognize the need for our national emphasis on terrorism;
however, the effectiveness of natural hazards programs and the all-hazards concept must
not be sacrificed in the process. Due to the sheer number magnitude of impact of natural
disasters, FEMA's work is more heavily focused on these events.

The ASFPM is not the only organization that has these concerns. The General Accounting
Office, in its September 2003 report, said the following:
Moreover, the placement of FEMA within DHS represents a substantially changed
environment in which FEMA will conduct its missions in the future, and missions
that focus on reducing the impacts of natural hazards, such as hazard mitigation
and flood insurance, may receive decreased emphasis. Sustained attention to
these programs will be needed to ensure they maintain or improve their
effectiveness in protecting the nation against, and reducing federal costs
associated with, natural disasters.

It should not be surprising that there is concern about FEMAs organizational structure or
its loss of focus on a multi-hazard mission it is merely a continuation of the debate that
began in Congress when DHS was created. The House Judiciary Committee and the
House Transportation and Infrastructure Committees had misgivings about the inclusion
of FEMA in DHS and both recommended that FEMA remain an independent agency to
preserve the traditional mission of FEMA. Also, a Brookings Institution analysis in 2002
raised concern that much of the progress FEMA has made over two decades could be
reversed.

Since FEMA has become part of the Department of Homeland Security, it has been a
struggle. Funds have been raided, staff have been transferred into other DHS functions
without being replaced, slowdowns because of added layers of bureaucracy for nearly all
functions have dramatically increased, and there is the constant threat of reprogramming
appropriated funds. Strongly felt worries about such matters led the ASFPM Board of
Directors, in August 2004, to pass a resolution recognizing FEMAs accomplishments and
its challenges. The resolution calls for FEMA to be removed from the Department of
Homeland Security and for its ability to report directly to the President to be restored.
The Board, made up of state and local officials, felt strongly that FEMA doesnt have to
be part of a larger agency to share its expertise and utilize its network of state and local
officials for all hazards management. If FEMA is pulled apart, doesnt have a direct link
to the President, and cannot communicate effectively with Congress, all of the progress
made over the last 15 years could be for naught.

The Association of State Floodplain Managers recommends that
1) Congressional
reorganization for homeland security reflect attention to the importance of natural disaster
programs and policies and that
2) the Congress undertake an evaluation of the structure of
DHS and FEMA as it affects retention of an effective capacity for natural hazards
response and mitigation programs.
----------------------------------------------------------------

Page Three

Natural disasters impact Americans every single day. In 2004, 35 states had Presidentially
declared disasters all as a result of natural hazards. Please do not allow the agency that
is in the forefront of dealing with these hazards to be made less effective or pulled apart
altogether. Please make certain that the Congressional structure reflects appropriate
attention to the frequency and the magnitude of impact of natural disasters. If you have
any questions or comments, do not hesitate to contact Larry Larson, ASFPM Executive
Director, or myself.

Respectfully,
Chad Berginnis, CFM
Chair
===

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:00 PM
Response to Original message
19. Pre K: State of LA knowledge about probable damage
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:21 PM
Response to Reply #19
99. PBS NOW transcript The City in a Bowl
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_neworleans...

I don't know all these folk. Maybe one or more are federal?
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:01 PM
Response to Original message
20. Pre K: Feds block action to prevent NOLA didaster
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #20
87. Corps of Engineers' Civilian Chief Ousted
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #20
120. Bush fired head of Corps of Engineers for slamming budget cuts
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Bush fired head of Army Corps of Engineers in '02 for slamming budget cuts
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=artic...
Corps of Engineers' Civilian Chief Ousted

Parker Resigns After Openly Questioning Bush's Proposed Spending Cuts
Thursday, March 7, 2002

Michael Parker, the recently appointed leader of the Army Corps of Engineers, was abruptly forced to resign yesterday for failing to defend President Bush's proposed budget cuts.

Parker, a former House member from Mississippi who was confirmed as assistant Army secretary for civil works five months ago, was the first major administration official ousted since Bush took office. He had made no secret of his disdain for the Office of Management and Budget's efforts to rein in the Corps, and recently told a sympathetic House committee that he had requested $2 billion more than the OMB proposed in the president's budget. At a Senate hearing, he questioned the administration's decision to fund no new Corps projects, adding that he did not have a "warm and fuzzy feeling" for OMB officials.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #20
310.  Aug 31, 2005: Did New Orleans Catastrophe Have to Happen?
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_di...


Did New Orleans Catastrophe Have to Happen? 'Times-Picayune' Had Repeatedly Raised Federal Spending Issues

By Will Bunch

Published: August 31, 2005 9:00 PM ET

PHILADELPHIA Even though Hurricane Katrina has moved well north of the city, the waters may still keep rising in New Orleans. That's because Lake Pontchartrain continues to pour through a two-block-long break in the main levee, near the city's 17th Street Canal. With much of the Crescent City some 10 feet below sea level, the rising tide may not stop until it's level with the massive lake.

New Orleans had long known it was highly vulnerable to flooding and a direct hit from a hurricane. In fact, the federal government has been working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s on major hurricane and flood relief efforts. When flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.

Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.HURRICANE COVERAGE

Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars.
More...


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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #20
397. 9/11 (orig post 9/5) FEMA Action to REDUCE Volunteer Pool
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Mixed Misdirection from FEMA - again
From: councils@dhs.gov

Subject: Citizen Corps support for response to Hurricane Katrina

To: All State and Local Citizen Corps Councils
Citizen Corps Program Partners and Affiliates
Regional Citizen Corps Program Managers

Thank you all for your compassion and your interest in helping those in need
following the devastation of Hurricane Katrina. To those of you in the
affected area, we send our deepest concern.

At this time, the National Office of Citizen Corps IS NOT conducting a
national call out as was done for the Florida hurricanes last year. Current
activities and plans for next steps are as follows:

FEMA DEPLOYMENTS

* At present, FEMA is deploying ONLY THOSE WHO ALREADY RECEIVED FEMA
SECURITY CLEARANCES AND CREDIT CARDS from their 2004 employment. FEMA has
determined that no recruits can travel or enter into employment without a
satisfactory background investigation. This security check takes
approximately 3 weeks to complete. As such, only recruits hired last year
may be called by FEMA at this time.

* In anticipation of Hurricane Dennis in July 2005, state Citizen
Corps points of contact reviewed and vetted the list of 2700 people who
deployed for the Florida hurricanes in 2004. As a result, 1900 people were
identified as potential recruits for future disasters.

* The FEMA Automated Disaster Deployment (ADD) staff are now calling
ONLY these 1900 pre-identified people to check on their availability for
Hurricane Katrina. NOTE: This means that not everyone who participated in
2004 will be called. If you have any questions about who may be on this
list, please contact your state Citizen Corps point of contact.

* If you receive questions from anyone who was deployed in 2004 or for
Hurricane Dennis, please tell them they SHOULD NOT call the FEMA ADD phone
number or the FEMA Regional Offices. Calling the ADD phone number distracts
operators from the deployment process. Please tell them to simply wait for
their official ADD deployment call and follow instructions. We know this
may be frustrating and it may take awhile for everyone to be contacted, but
THIS IS THE ONLY WAY FOR THEM TO BE DEPLOYED THROUGH FEMA.

THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FROM LAST YEAR'S HURRICANE SEASON -- REDUCING THE POOL OF VOLUNTEERS
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:03 PM
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21. Pre K: Bush guts disaster relief
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:24 PM
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102. NOLA U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Record Cuts
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:25 PM
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103. Disaster in the Making (RE FEMA)
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:42 PM
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114. FEMA packed with W's pals
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
NY Daily News: FEMA packed with W's pals
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/344004p...
DAILY NEWS EXCLUSIVE
Campaign pros get top jobs
By KENNETH R. BAZINET
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

WASHINGTON - The three top jobs at the Federal Emergency Management Agency under President Bush went to political cronies with no apparent experience coping with catastrophes, the Daily News has learned.

Even if Bush were to fire embattled and suddenly invisible FEMA Director Michael Brown over his handling of Hurricane Katrina, the bureaucrat immediately below him is no disaster professional, either.

While Brown ran horse shows in his last private-sector job, FEMA's No. 2 man, deputy director and chief of staff Patrick Rhode, was an advance man for the Bush-Cheney campaign and White House. He also did short stints at the Commerce Department and Small Business Administration. Rhode's biography posted on FEMA's Web site doesn't indicate he has any real experience in emergency response.

In addition, the agency's former third-ranking official, deputy chief of staff Scott Morris, was a PR expert who worked for Maverick Media, the Texas outfit that produced TV and radio spots for the Bush-Cheney campaign. In June, Morris moved to Florida to become FEMA's long-term recovery director.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:46 PM
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117. DU thread with multiple links re- Bush crippling FEMA
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 11:47 PM by snot
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:24 AM
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131. Brown's earlier scandal
From http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... :

FEMA Director Michael D. Brown's earlier scandal

I just posted this on a thread about Brown from several hours ago -- but at the rate things are moving, I thought it had better have a thread of its own. It seems that Michael D. Brown, the blitheringly incompetent head of FEMA, was involved in some interesting goings-on back last winter;

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/sfl-fema24nov24,0,2387 ...

Florida lawmakers Tuesday called for state and federal investigations into how the government approved about $28 million in Hurricane Frances claims for new furniture, clothes and appliances for residents of Miami-Dade County, which was barely touched by the storm.

<snip>

The actions follow a report in the South Florida Sun-Sentinel Sunday that hurricane relief in Miami-Dade bought thousands of new televisions, microwaves, refrigerators and other appliances. FEMA paid for new cars, dental bills and a funeral, even though the county Medical Examiner recorded no deaths from Frances.

FEMA inspectors attributed damage to tornados -- there were none recorded in the county -- and in six instances listed "ice/snow" as the cause, the newspaper reported.

<snip>

Shaw wrote to FEMA Director Michael D. Brown six weeks ago, after the newspaper first reported that thousands of Miami-Dade residents had collected hurricane relief from the Labor Day storm that hit 100 miles to the north. Brown announced that FEMA would investigate, but so far has not provided any results or returned phone calls from the congressman's staff, said Shaw, chairman of Florida's delegation.

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/01/25/State/Suspect_in_kidn ...

FEMA Director Michael D. Brown has "stymied investigations" and failed to accept responsibility for mistakes that led to more than $30-million in Hurricane Frances payments to residents of Miami-Dade, even though the county experienced "no more than a heavy rainstorm," Rep. Robert Wexler, D-Fla., wrote to Bush.

"Such a gross waste of taxpayer monies cannot be taken lightly," Wexler wrote.

Bush had not seen Wexler's letter but stands by Brown, said Taylor Gross, a White House spokesman. "The president has full faith in the outstanding job that Under Secretary Mike Brown and FEMA are doing in providing assistance to hurricane victims."

FEMA issued a statement saying the agency will cooperate with an ongoing criminal investigation by the Department of Homeland Security's inspector general into allegations of fraud in Miami-Dade.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 08:08 PM
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346. 9/10 (orig 9/2) Brown fired from previous job
FEMA Head Fired from Previous Job for Incompetence
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/2/34622/68348 :

And that previous job was "Judges and Stewards Commissioner" for a show
horse association!

Who judged this imbecile to be qualified for this important postion? And
who authorized a lie about his qualifications on the official press
release announcing his appointment?

"Yes, that's right... the man responsible for directing federal relief
operations in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, sharpened his
emergency management skills as the "Judges and Stewards Commissioner"
for the International Arabian Horses Association... a position from
which he was forced to resign in the face of mounting litigation and
financial disarray."
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 08:20 PM
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352. 9/10 (orig 9/2) More on Brown
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Brown_%28FEMA%29ht...
Some disturbing information on FEMA and Mike Brown

(I went looking for information on Brown and on how FEMA operates in order to try to determine the name of the authority to whom Brown ultimately answers. My search was the result of a conversation with a Bush supporter who was, for some odd reason, trying to defend Brown's incompetence in the aftermath of Katrina. The Bush supporter claimed that Brown "has to answer to someone lower down the chain of command than the President," implying, I guess, that this takes some of the pressure off Bush. Who knows. I was under the impression that Brown answers directly to Bush, and went to Google in search of the answer. Instead, I found the following.)

Michael D. Brown (b. 1954 in Guymon, Oklahoma) is the Under Secretary of Emergency Preparedness and Response (a division of the Department of Homeland Security), the cabinet-level position that replaced the Federal Emergency Management Agency directorate, and generally referred to as the "head" of FEMA. He was nominated by President George W. Bush in January 2003.

-snip-

While attending law school Brown was appointed by the Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee of the Oklahoma Legislature as the Finance Committee Staff Director, where he oversaw state fiscal issues. His background in state and local government also includes serving as an assistant city manager with emergency services oversight and as a city councilman, although most of his career was spent in private practice. Before joining DHS/FEMA, Brown was Judges and Stewards Commissioner for the International Arabian Horse Association from 1999-2001, a position from which he resigned under duress after an onslaught of lawsuits. Brown started his own legal defense fund before resigning, a move he said was necessary to protect his family's assets.

The above bold text was posted at DU yesterday. It's an important factor in the whole FEMA-incompetence equation, but I wasn't surprised because I had read it here yesterday.

This is the part that was news to me:

In January 2005, U.S. Rep. Robert Wexler publically urged President Bush to fire Brown, citing reports that FEMA disbursed $30 million in disaster relief funds for Hurricane Frances to residents of Miami, Florida, a city which was not affected by the hurricane. Brown admitted to $12 million in overpayments, but denied any serious mistakes, blaming a computer glitch. Wexler repeated his call in April to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, citing new reports that FEMA sent inspectors with criminal records of robbery and embezzlement to do damage assessments.

http://www.wexler.house.gov/news.php?ID=116 :

One year ago we had the opportunity to learn from the disasters in Florida. Floridians experienced the consequences of FEMAs failure to deliver aid to communities who needed it the most. We saw the most vulnerable in our society the elderly and the poor being left out or overlooked. Last year we had the opportunity to prevent this from happening again. At that time, I called for the resignation of FEMA head, Michael Brown because of his grievous mismanagement. The President did not heed that call, nor did he see fit to make any substantial changes in FEMA.

Last year, when the Presidents election was in question, his response to the hurricanes in the swing state of Florida was tremendously fast -- even passing out ice in the immediate aftermath. Where was he in the immediate aftermath for Gulf coast? Where were the trucks of food? Where were the water buffalo? Where were the tents of aid that are just now being established? The President and Congress dropped everything and flew back to Washington on Palm Sunday to intervene on behalf of Terri Schiavo. Why did the President delay so long for an entire American city in crisis? These are desperate people who need food, water, shelter and safety, not a photo op which even itself comes 5 days late. Every asset of the American military in this hemisphere should have been devoted to Americas humanitarian crisis starting on Monday at 5 PM.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 12:55 AM
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421. 9/11 Just when you thought you heard it all about Brownie
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Just when you thought you heard it all about Brownie's

Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 05:37 PM by Prodemsouth

incompetence. Here comes more. Worked for Steve Jones Timothy McViegh's lawyer, told FBI they had to be joking when they said Browne was going to be at FEMA on national level. Jones and his partners split their law firm- wanted keep as many as employees as possible, decided to keep 35 of 37. Brownie was not one of the 35. Wow!

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/09/10/Worldandnation/_Avera...
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:33 AM
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134. Times-Picayune' Had Repeatedly Raised Federal Spending Issues
From http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_di... :
Did New Orleans Catastrophe Have to Happen? 'Times-Picayune' Had Repeatedly Raised Federal Spending Issues
By Will Bunch
Published: August 30, 2005 9:00 PM ET

PHILADELPHIA Even though Hurricane Katrina has moved well north of the city, the waters may still keep rising in New Orleans late on Tuesday. That's because Lake Pontchartrain continues to pour through a two-block-long break in the main levee, near the city's 17th Street Canal. With much of the Crescent City some 10 feet below sea level, the rising tide may not stop until it's level with the massive lake.

New Orleans had long known it was highly vulnerable to flooding and a direct hit from a hurricane. In fact, the federal government has been working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s on major hurricane and flood relief efforts. When flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.

Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.

Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars.

Newhouse News Service, in an article posted late Tuesday night at The Times-Picayune Web site, reported: "No one can say they didn't see it coming. ... Now in the wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked about the lack of preparation."

In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.

On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."

Also that June, with the 2004 hurricane season starting, the Corps' project manager Al Naomi went before a local agency, the East Jefferson Levee Authority, and essentially begged for $2 million for urgent work that Washington was now unable to pay for. From the June 18, 2004 Times-Picayune:

"The system is in great shape, but the levees are sinking. Everything is sinking, and if we don't get the money fast enough to raise them, then we can't stay ahead of the settlement," he said. "The problem that we have isn't that the levee is low, but that the federal funds have dried up so that we can't raise them."

The panel authorized that money, and on July 1, 2004, it had to pony up another $250,000 when it learned that stretches of the levee in Metairie had sunk by four feet. The agency had to pay for the work with higher property taxes. The levee board noted in October 2004 that the feds were also now not paying for a hoped-for $15 million project to better shore up the banks of Lake Pontchartrain.

The 2004 hurricane season was the worst in decades. In spite of that, the federal government came back this spring with the steepest reduction in hurricane and flood-control funding for New Orleans in history. Because of the proposed cuts, the Corps office there imposed a hiring freeze. Officials said that money targeted for the SELA project -- $10.4 million, down from $36.5 million -- was not enough to start any new jobs.

There was, at the same time, a growing recognition that more research was needed to see what New Orleans must do to protect itself from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. But once again, the money was not there. As the Times-Picayune reported last Sept. 22:
"That second study would take about four years to complete and would cost about $4 million, said Army Corps of Engineers project manager Al Naomi. About $300,000 in federal money was proposed for the 2005 fiscal-year budget, and the state had agreed to match that amount. But the cost of the Iraq war forced the Bush administration to order the New Orleans district office not to begin any new studies, and the 2005 budget no longer includes the needed money, he said."

The Senate was seeking to restore some of the SELA funding cuts for 2006. But now it's too late.

One project that a contractor had been racing to finish this summer: a bridge and levee job right at the 17th Street Canal, site of the main breach on Monday.

The Newhouse News Service article published Tuesday night observed, "The Louisiana congressional delegation urged Congress earlier this year to dedicate a stream of federal money to Louisiana's coast, only to be opposed by the White House. ... In its budget, the Bush administration proposed a significant reduction in funding for southeast Louisiana's chief hurricane protection project. Bush proposed $10.4 million, a sixth of what local officials say they need."

Local officials are now saying, the article reported, that had Washington heeded their warnings about the dire need for hurricane protection, including building up levees and repairing barrier islands, "the damage might not have been nearly as bad as it turned out to be."
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:41 AM
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136. Mitigation program eliminated, etc.
From http://www.sfbg.com/38/52/news_fema.html :

Long before this hurricane season, some emergency managers inside and outside of government started sounding an alarm that still rings loudly. Bush administration policy changes and budget cuts, they say, are sapping FEMA's long-term ability to cushion the blow of hurricanes, earthquakes, floods, tornadoes, wildfires, and other natural disasters.

Since 2001, key federal disaster mitigation programs, developed over many years, have been slashed and tossed aside. FEMA's Project Impact, a model mitigation program created by the Clinton administration, has been canceled outright. Federal funding of post-disaster mitigation efforts designed to protect people and property from the next disaster has been cut in half, and now communities across the country must compete for pre-disaster mitigation dollars.

In addition, the White House has pushed for privatization of essential government services, including disaster management, and merged FEMA into the Department of Homeland Security, where natural disaster programs are often sidelined by counterterrorism programs. Along the way, morale at FEMA has plummeted, and many of the agency's most experienced personnel have left for work in other government agencies or private corporations.

In June, Pleasant Mann, a 16-year FEMA veteran who heads the agency's government employee union, wrote members of Congress to warn of the agency's decay. "Over the past three-and-one-half years, FEMA has gone from being a model agency to being one where funds are being misspent, employee morale has fallen, and our nation's emergency management capability is being eroded," he wrote. "Our professional staff are being systematically replaced by politically connected novices and contractors."

"Mitigation is the cornerstone of emergency management," a FEMA Web site explains today. "It's the ongoing effort to lessen the impact disasters have on people's lives and property." Under mitigation plans, houses in floodplains are moved or raised above the flood line, buildings are designed to withstand hurricane winds and earthquakes, and communities are relocated away from likely wildfire zones. According to FEMA estimates, every dollar spent on mitigation saves roughly $2 in disaster recovery costs.

William Waugh, a disaster expert at Georgia State University who has written training programs for FEMA, warns that the rise of a "consultant culture" has not served emergency programs well. "It's part of a widespread problem of government contracting out capabilities," he says. "Pretty soon governments can't do things because they've given up those capabilities to the private sector. And private corporations don't necessarily maintain those capabilities."

By ignoring the logic of fully funded mitigation and other preparedness programs, Bush's first FEMA director earned some scorn among emergency specialists. "Allbaugh? He was inept," says Claire Rubin, a senior researcher at George Washington University's Institute for Crisis, Disaster and Risk Management. "He was chief of staff for Bush in Texas - that was his credential. He didn't have an emergency management background, other than the disasters he ran into in Texas, and he wasn't a very open guy. He didn't want to learn anything."

The merger into the DHS has compounded the agency's problems, says FEMA employee and union president Mann. "Before, we reported straight to the White House, and now we've got this elaborate bureaucracy on top of us, and a lot of this bureaucracy doesn't think what we're doing is that important, because terrorism isn't our number one," he says. "The biggest frustration here is that we at FEMA have responded to disasters like Oklahoma City and 9/11, and here are people who haven't responded to a kitchen fire telling us how to deal with terrorism. You know, there were a lot of people who fell down on the job on 9/11, but it wasn't us."

Rubin, the George Washington University researcher, agrees with these assessments. "DHS has done a number of things to FEMA that are making it very, very hard for FEMA to function as it used to," she says. "A large number of people who are experienced with natural hazards no longer are doing that primarily or at all."

In 2003, Congress approved a White House proposal to cut FEMA's Hazard Mitigation Grant Program in half. Previously, the federal government was committed to invest 15 percent of the recovery costs of a given disaster in mitigating future problems. Under the Bush formula, the feds now cough up only 7.5 percent.

Such post-disaster mitigation efforts, specialists say, are a crucial way of minimizing future losses. It's after a disaster strikes, they argue, that the government can best take the steps necessary to avoid repeat problems, because that's when officials and storm victims are most receptive to mitigation plans.

The administration also argues that its new pre-disaster mitigation grants, which are awarded on a competitive basis, will help states pick up the slack. But again, emergency managers say it's not enough. In recent congressional testimony, a NEMA representative noted that "in a purely competitive grant program, lower income communities, those most often at risk to natural disaster, will not effectively compete with more prosperous cities.... The prevention of repetitive damages caused by disasters would go largely unprepared in less-affluent and smaller communities."

And indeed, some in-need areas have been inexplicably left out of the program. "In a sense, Louisiana is the floodplain of the nation," a 2002 FEMA report noted. "Louisiana waterways drain two thirds of the continental United States. Precipitation in New York, the Dakotas, even Idaho and the Province of Alberta, finds its way to Louisiana's coastline." As a result, flooding is a constant threat, and the state has an estimated 18,000 buildings that have repeatedly been damaged by flood waters - the highest number of any state. And yet, this summer FEMA denied Louisiana communities' pre-disaster mitigation funding requests.

In Jefferson Parish, part of the New Orleans metropolitan area, flood zone manager Tom Rodrigue is baffled by the development. "You would think we would get maximum consideration" for the funds, he says. "This is what the grant program called for. We were more than qualified for it."

Within FEMA, the shift away from mitigation programs is so pronounced that many longtime specialists in the field have quit. "The priority is no longer on prevention," says the FEMA administrator. "Mitigation, honestly, is the orphaned step-child. People are leaving it in droves."

In fact, disaster professionals are leaving many parts of FEMA in droves, compromising the agency's ability to do its job.

In case Congress hasn't gotten the message, former FEMA director Witt recently restated it in strong terms. "I am extremely concerned that the ability of our nation to prepare for and respond to disasters has been sharply eroded," he testified at a March 24, 2004, hearing on Capitol Hill. "I hear from emergency managers, local and state leaders, and first responders nearly every day that the FEMA they knew and worked well with has now disappeared. In fact one state emergency manager told me, 'It is like a stake has been driven into the heart of emergency management.'"

Waugh, the Georgia State University expert, says, "This is an exposed nerve in the emergency management community, in the sense that resources have been shifted away from hurricanes, tornadoes and other kinds of disasters - the kind of disasters that are more likely to occur than terrorism."

For more information, go here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:05 AM
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201.  July 24, 2005 - Poor : You are on your own (for evaccuation)
July 2005 article reveals New Orleans told poor: 'You're on your own'
John Byrne

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/July_2005_article_reveals...

A July 24, 2005 article in the New Orleans Times Picayune (not available online) reveals just how unprepared officials were for a hurricane, especially as it affected the city's poor, RAW STORY has learned. The first sentence alone reveals how little support the city expected to have for the poor in the event of a disaster, saying, "City, state and federal emergency officials are preparing to give the poorest of New Orleans' poor a historically blunt message: In the event of a major hurricane, you're on your own."

The article was first discovered in a detailed piece by the Philadelphia Daily News' Will Bunch.

The local Red Cross executive director was quoted as saying, "You're responsible for your safety, and you should be responsible for the person next to you. If you have some room to get that person out of town, the Red Cross will have a space for that person outside the area. We can help you. But we don't have the transportation."

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:31 AM
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209. Sept 1 *** Important timeline on FEMA and the cuts****
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/20...

Washington Monthly
Kevin Drum

September 1, 2005
CHRONOLOGY....Here's a timeline that outlines the fate of both FEMA and flood control projects in New Orleans under the Bush administration. Read it and weep:


January 2001: Bush appoints Joe Allbaugh, a crony from Texas, as head of FEMA. Allbaugh has no previous experience in disaster management.


April 2001: Budget Director Mitch Daniels announces the Bush administration's goal of privatizing much of FEMA's work. In May, Allbaugh confirms that FEMA will be downsized: "Many are concerned that federal disaster assistance may have evolved into both an oversized entitlement program...." he said. "Expectations of when the federal government should be involved and the degree of involvement may have ballooned beyond what is an appropriate level."


2001: FEMA designates a major hurricane hitting New Orleans as one of the three "likeliest, most catastrophic disasters facing this country."


December 2002: After less than two years at FEMA, Allbaugh announces he is leaving to start up a consulting firm that advises companies seeking to do business in Iraq. He is succeeded by his deputy and former college roommate, Michael Brown, who has no previous experience in disaster management and was fired from his previous job for mismanagement.


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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:06 PM
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244. FEMA Union Prez says Bush weakened FEMA & that FEMA was unprepared
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
President of FEMA Headquarters Employees Union speaks out
FEMA Was Unprepared for Katrina Relief Effort, Insiders Say

"All of us were just shaking our heads and saying, 'This isn't going to be enough, and the director has to know this isn't going to be enough.' But nothing more seemed to be happening," said Leo Bosner, president of the FEMA Headquarters Employees Union.

Bosner has been with FEMA since it began 26 years ago. He says the agency has been systematically dismantled since it became part of the massive Department of Homeland Security.

"One of the big differences I see," said Bosner, "besides taking away our staff and our budget and our training, is that Homeland Security now, in my view, slows down the process."

The union warned Congress in a detailed letter about FEMA's decline a year ago. State emergency managers also warned Capitol Hill and Homeland Security just weeks ago that DHS was too focused on one thing terrorism.

more@link

'Catapulting' Katrina
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:29 PM
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252. 9/9 E-mail fr friend re- Article on Brown & Bush Cronyism/Corruption
Katrina: Time article to hash Brownie over resume discrepancies
As Ned Sublette said a couple of days ago, some call it "cronyism," but there's a more accurate word -- corruption. Snip from Time article about "discrepancies" in FEMA head Michael Brown's resume:
Before joining FEMA, his only previous stint in emergency management, according to his bio posted on FEMA's website <http://www.fema.gov/about/bios/brown.shtm > , was "serving as an assistant city manager with emergency services oversight." The White House press release from 2001 <http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/2001120... > stated that Brown worked for the city of Edmond, Okla., from 1975 to 1978 "overseeing the emergency services division." In fact, according to Claudia Deakins, head of public relations for the city of Edmond, Brown was an "assistant to the city manager" from 1977 to 1980, not a manager himself, and had no authority over other employees. "The assistant is more like an intern," she told TIME. "Department heads did not report to him." Brown did do a good job at his humble position, however, according to his boss. "Yes. Mike Brown worked for me. He was my administrative assistant. He was a student at Central State University," recalls former city manager Bill Dashner. "Mike used to handle a lot of details. Every now and again I'd ask him to write me a speech. He was very loyal. He was always on time. He always had on a suit and a starched white shirt."
Link <http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1103003,... > to Time story, and see also this New Republic article by Paul Campos: Link <http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050919&s=campos091905 > . (Thanks, Connor)
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 03:42 PM
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262. Aug 29: Disaster experts: Federal government wasn't ready for Katrina
http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/nation/12...
Posted on Wed, Aug. 31, 2005

Disaster experts: Federal government wasn't ready for Katrina

By SETH BORENSTEIN

Knight Ridder Newspapers


WASHINGTON - The federal government so far has bungled the job of quickly helping the multitudes of hungry, thirsty and desperate victims of Hurricane Katrina, former top federal, state and local disaster chiefs said Wednesday.

The experts, including a former Bush administration disaster response manager, told Knight Ridder that the government wasn't prepared, scrimped on storm spending and shifted its attention from dealing with natural disasters to fighting the global war on terrorism.

The disaster preparedness agency at the center of the relief effort is the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), which was enveloped by the new Department of Homeland Security with a new mission aimed at responding to the attacks of al-Qaida.

"What you're seeing is revealing weaknesses in the state, local and federal levels," said Eric Tolbert, who until February was FEMA's disaster response chief. "All three levels have been weakened. They've been weakened by diversion into terrorism."


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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 07:22 PM
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332. 9/10 E-mail fr friend w/ analysis of Brown's resume
FEMA's Brown padded resume: hardly a lawyer, either

by Goldy at HorsesAss

Thu Sep 8th, 2005 at 15:11:48 PDT

FEMA director Mike Brown was originally brought into the agency as its general counsel, under the auspices of his old college roommate (and Bush fixer) Joe Allbaugh. By now we all know that Brown is an emergency manager who knows nothing about managing emergencies, and a former horse association commissioner who knew nothing about horses... but apparently, he was also a general counsel who was hardly even a real lawyer.

In a devastating expose published today in The New Republic, University of Colorodo-Boulder law professor Paul Campos determines to answer the question "of exactly what, given Brown's real biography, he is qualified to do." The answer, not surprisingly, is very little.
Goldy at HorsesAss's diary :: ::


To understand the Mike Brown saga, one has to know something about the intricacies of the legal profession, beginning with the status of the law school he attended. Brown's biography on FEMA's website reports that he's a graduate of the Oklahoma City University School of Law. This is not, to put it charitably, a well-known institution. For example, I've been a law professor for the past 15 years and have never heard of it. Of more relevance is the fact that, until 2003, the school was not even a member of the Association of American Law Schools (AALS)--the organization that, along with the American Bar Association, accredits the nation's law schools. Most prospective law students won't even consider applying to a non-AALS law school unless they have no other option, because many employers have a policy of not considering graduates of non-AALS institutions. So it's fair to say that Brown embarked on his prospective legal career from the bottom of the profession's hierarchy.

According to Campos, Brown received his J.D. in 1981, and spent the next couple years representing the interests of a "prominent local family" in Enid, Oklahoma, followed by an 18-month stint at a local law firm (that no longer exists.) But it appears that by 1987 he had already more or less abandoned his legal career. From 1991 to 2001 he served as commissioner of judges and stewards for the International Arabian Horse Association, a full-time position from which he resigned under pressure.

What, then, are we to make of the claim in Brown's FEMA biography that, prior to joining the Agency, he had spent most of his professional career practicing law in Colorado? Normally, an attorney practicing law in a state for ten years would have left a record of his experience in public documents. But just about the only evidence of Brown's Colorado legal career is the Web page he submitted to Findlaw.com, an Internet site for people seeking legal representation. There, he lists himself as a member of the "International Arabian Horse Association Legal Dept." and claims to be competent to practice law across a dizzying spectrum of specialties--estate planning, family law, employment law for both plaintiffs and defendants, real-estate law, sports law, labor law, and legislative practice. With all this expertise, it's all the more striking that one can't find any other evidence of Brown's legal career in Colorado.

Campos further deconstructs Brown's FEMA bio, which he impressively claims to have served as "a bar examiner on ethics and professional responsibility for the Oklahoma Supreme Court and as a hearing examiner for the Colorado Supreme Court." Campos' translation?

In Oklahoma, he graded answers to bar exam questions, and, in Colorado, he volunteered to serve on the local attorney disciplinary board.

Ouch.

Campos' summation is equally devastating, and a pointed critique of the Bush administration.

When Brown left the iaha four years ago, he was, among other things, a failed former lawyer--a man with a 20-year-old degree from a semi-accredited law school who hadn't attempted to practice law in a serious way in nearly 15 years and who had just been forced out of his job in the wake of charges of impropriety. At this point in his life, returning to his long-abandoned legal career would have been very difficult in the competitive Colorado legal market. Yet, within months of leaving the IAHA , he was handed one of the top legal positions in the entire federal government: general counsel for a major federal agency. A year later, he was made its number-two official, and, a year after that, Bush appointed him director of FEMA.

It's bad enough when attorneys are named to government jobs for which their careers, no matter how distinguished, don't qualify them. But Brown wasn't a distinguished lawyer: He was hardly a lawyer at all. When he left the IAHA , he was a 47-year-old with a very thin resum and no job. Yet he was also what's known in the Mafia as a "connected guy." That such a person could end up in one of the federal government's most important positions tells you all you need to know about how the Bush administration works--or, rather, doesn't.

Once again, this has always been a story about cronyism, and the human lives it may have cost. And now we know that not only did Brown lack the qualifications to lead FEMA, he also lacked the legal qualifications to serve as its general counsel, his first position at the agency. It's not just Brown who should be fired... it's the incompetent president who appointed him.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 07:52 PM
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339. Sept10: Texas Republicans on FEMA
http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/9/10/14423/9876
Texas Republicans on FEMA
By Anne-Marie Slaughter | bio
From: America Abroad
In response to Juliette's post on FEMA, check out Dan K's comment to my post a while ago "Just Like Haiti." He dug out the following gem from the 2000 Texas Republican Party Platform:
Civil Defense - America had a strong, grassroots-based civilian defense system with county level volunteers and local leadership from the World War I era until the establishment of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). Now local civil defense coordinators have been replaced with federally-controlled emergency management coordinators. The priority has changed from "defending" the citizens in an emergency to "managing" the citizens. The Party supports the restoration of our civil defense system. A non-partisan effort should be made to organize communication and emergency response training for citizens to assist in times of emergency, and the local county government should appoint a civilian defense coordinator. Elected county officials should be in charge of decisions affecting the local community.

As Dan K points out, what happened to FEMA was not accidental. It was ideology.



Sep 10, 2005 -- 02:04:23 PM EST

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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:22 AM
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387. 9/11 (orig post 9/5) From Hurricane Guru Jeff Masters; Evacuation of Poor
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 11:23 AM by snot
(Note: I'm putting this here 'cause it relates to some of the other replies to #21)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
MUST READ from Hurricane Guru Jeff Masters
http://www.weatherunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comm...

Being in Baton Rouge, I followed this guy's blog constantly from three days before Katrina hit. Believe me, they did know this would happen. Numerous bloggers were screaming bloody murder days before the event.

"In comments on Thursday, Sep. 1, in an interview with Diane Sawyer of ABC News, President George W. Bush said, "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees. They did anticipate a serious storm. But these levees got breached."

In comments to the press on Sep. 3, Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff remarked, "That 'perfect storm' of a combination of catastrophes exceeded the foresight of the planners, and maybe anybody's foresight", and called the disaster "breathtaking in its surprise."

It's not our fault," said Army Lt. Gen. Russel Honore, in charge of the deployment of National Guard troops in New Orleans. "The storm came and flooded the city."

In other words, Katrina was an Act of God no one could have foreseen, and the politicians we elected to protect us from disaster are not responsible for the unimaginable horror we have witnessed this week.

A horror unimagined by anyone, except by every hurricane scientist and government emergency management official for the past forty years and more. It was a certainty that New Orleans would suffer a catastrophe like this. Every 70 years, on average, the central Gulf Coast has a Category 4 or 5 hurricane pass within 80 miles of a given point. Sometimes you get lucky--for a while. New Orleans had gone over 150 years without a strike by a hurricane capable of overwhelming the levees. Sometimes you get unlucky. There's no guarantee that New Orleans won't get hit by another major hurricane this year. We are in the midst of an extraordinary period of hurricane activity, the likes of which has not been seen in recorded history. Hurricanes Ivan and Dennis, which both had storm surges capable of breaching the levees in New Orleans, smashed into Pensacola in the past year. Either of these storms could have destroyed New Orleans, had they taken a slight wobble westward earlier in their track.

Hurricanes are an inescapable part of nature's way on the Gulf Coast. Nature doesn't care about tax cuts and fiscal years and budget crunches. Nature doesn't care that a city of 500,000 people situated below sea level lies in its path. It was certain that New Orleans would sooner or later get hit by a hurricane that would breach the levees. How could the director of Homeland Security not be familiar with this huge threat to the security of this nation? How could the President not know? How could all the presidents and politicians we elected, from Eisenhower to Clinton, not know?

The answer is that they all knew. But the politicians we elect don't care about the poor people in New Orleans, because poor people don't have a lobbyist in Washington. The poor people don't make big campaign contributions, and those big campaign contributions are vital to getting elected. In all of the Congressional and Presidential races held over the past ten years, over 90% were won by the candidate that raised the most money.

So there was little effort given to formulate a plan to evacuate the 100,000 poor residents of New Orleans with no transportation of their own for a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. To do so would have cost tens of millions of dollars, money that neither the city, nor the state, nor the federal government was willing to spend. Why spend money that would be wasted on a bunch of poor people? The money was better spent on projects to please the politicians' wealthy campaign contributors. So the plan was to let them die. And they died, as we experts all knew they would. Huge numbers of them. And they keep dying, still. We don't know how many. Since the plan was to let them die, the city of New Orleans made sure they had a good supply of body bags on hand. Only 10,000 body bags, but since Katrina didn't hit New Orleans head-on, 10,000 will probably be enough.

Admittedly, it is very difficult to safely evacuate 100,000 people with a Category 4 or 5 hurricane bearing down on you. There are only a few routes out of the city, and a full 72 hours of warning are needed to get everyone out. That's asking a lot, as hurricanes are very difficult to predict that far in advance. The National Hurricane Center did pretty well, giving New Orleans a full 60 hours to evacuate. The Hurricane Center forecasted on Friday afternoon that Katrina would hit New Orleans as a major hurricane on Monday, which is what happened. New Orleans had time to implement its plan to bus the city's poor out. However, this plan had two very serious problems--it wasn't enacted in time, and it could only get out 20% of the people in a best case scenario.

The mandatory evacuation order was not given until Sunday, just 20 hours before the hurricane. I have not been able to ascertain from press accounts when the busses actually started picking up people. The mayor says 50,000 made it to the Superdome and other "shelters of last resort", leaving another 50,000 to face the flood waters in their homes. Although 80% of the city was evacuated, it is unclear whether any of the city's poor made it out by bus. And it is very fortunate that Katrina did not hit the city head-on, or else most of those in the Superdome and other "shelters of last resort" would have perished. The death toll from Katrina would have easily surpassed 50,000.

Even if the evacuation plan had been launched 72 hours in advance, it almost certainly would have failed. A local New Orleans news station, nola.com, reported in 2002 on the evacuation plan thusly:

In an evacuation, buses would be dispatched along their regular routes throughout the city to pick up people and go to the Superdome, which would be used as a staging area. From there, people would be taken out of the city to shelters to the north.

Some experts familiar with the plans say they won't work.

"That's never going to happen because there's not enough buses in the city," said Charley Ireland, who retired as deputy director of the New Orleans Office of Emergency Preparedness in 2000. "Between the RTA and the school buses, you've got maybe 500 buses, and they hold maybe 40 people
each. It ain't going to happen."

The plan has other potential pitfalls.

No signs are in place to notify the public that the regular bus stops are also the stops for emergency evacuation. In Miami Beach, Fla., every other bus stop sports a huge sign identifying it as a hurricane evacuation stop.

It's also unclear whether the city's entire staff of bus drivers will remain. A union spokesman said that while drivers are aware of the plan, the union contract lacks a provision requiring them to stay.

So, if one does the math, 500 busses times 40 people per bus yields 20,000 people that could have been evacuated in a best-case scenario. Only 20,000 out of 100,000. That isn't a half-hearted effort, it's a one-fifth hearted, criminal effort. We're talking about the lives of 80,000 people or more sacrificed, from a disaster that was certain to happen. By not having a plan to get New Orleans' poor out, our government caused the unbelievable suffering and the needless deaths of thousands of Americans. This was not a natural disaster caused by an act of God, it was an unnatural disaster. In his excellent 2001 book, Acts of God: The Unnatural History of Natural Disaster in America, Ted Steinberg writes: "Calling such events acts of God has long been a way to evade moral responsibility for death and destruction." He shows in the book how countless politicians over the past one hundred years have done their best to evade this moral responsibility when preventable disasters struck. Our current leaders are no different.

The most prosperous and technologically advanced nation in history surely could have done better. Was it really too expensive to have the vehicles, people, and workable plan in place needed to evacuate New Orleans? "A society is measured by how it treats the weak and vulnerable", said George W. Bush in his State of the Union of Feb 2, 2005. By that measure, the people of this country have responded magnificently. The outpouring of aid, sympathy and prayers for those affected has been tremendous. But by that same standard, our government has failed. Its not just the current administration--every elected government since the days of Eisenhower has failed us. As I've outlined above, the problem is not likely to go away until the amount of money a candidate raises is no longer the primary factor determining who gets elected. Our elected officials won't care for the poor, as long as it is the rich who determine who get elected.

What can we do to help prevent such a disaster from recurring? Well, I encourage all of you to support election reform initiatives such as public campaign financing and Instant Runoff Voting (IRV) over the coming years. Maybe then I can check a box to vote for a candidate who will actually care for the needs of the poor in New Orleans and elsewhere in this county, instead of the usual "lesser of two evils" from the miserable two-party system that let thousands die and tens of thousands more suffer so unbearably.

Dr. Jeff Masters"
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:27 AM
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388. 9/11 (orig post 9/5) Ex-officials say weakened FEMA botched response
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 11:33 AM by snot
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Bush's FEMA Failed Us All.

Ex-officials say weakened FEMA botched response

By Frank James and Andrew Martin
Washington Bureau
Published September 3, 2005

WASHINGTON -- Government disaster officials had an action plan if a major hurricane hit New Orleans. They simply didn't execute it when Hurricane Katrina struck.

Thirteen months before Katrina hit New Orleans, local, state and federal officials held a simulated hurricane drill that Ronald Castleman, then the regional director for the Federal Emergency Management Agency, called "a very good exercise."

More than a million residents were "evacuated" in the table-top scenario as 120 m.p.h. winds and 20 inches of rain caused widespread flooding that supposedly trapped 300,000 people in the city.

"It was very much an eye-opener," said Castleman, a Republican appointee of President Bush who left FEMA in December for the private sector. "A number of things were identified that we had to deal with, not all of them were solved."

FEMA contracted Innovative Emergency Management to 'lead the development of a catastrophic hurricane disaster plan for Southeast Louisiana and the City of New Orleans'.

In July, 2004, they heldthe 'Louisiana Catastrophic Hurricane Planning Workshop' it went like this;

Driven by a predetermined scenario, entitled Hurricane Pam, the participants developed 15 functional plans over the course of the week, including: pre-landfall activities; unwatering of leveeenclosed areas; hazardous materials; billeting of response personnel; distribution of power, water, and ice; transport from water to shelter; volunteer and donations management; external
affairs; access control and re-entry; debris; schools; search and rescue; sheltering; temporary housing; and temporary medical care.

The scenario involved a slow-moving Category 3 storm making landfall near Grand Isle in the early morning. In the scenario, the storm, sustaining winds of 120 mph at landfall, spawned tornados, destroyed over 75% of the structures in its path, and left the majority of New Orleans under 1520 feet of water. The workshop was sponsored by FEMA and LOHSEP, with a weather scenario designed by the National Weather Service and damage and consequences developed by IEM, Inc. of Baton Rouge. IEM, Inc. also facilitated the workshop sessions.

From November 29December 3, over 90 participants met in New Orleans to continue planning for three topics: sheltering, temporary housing, and temporary medical care. These three topics were chosen by the workshops Unified Command as areas that needed continued group planning.

The outcome of these workshops is a series of functional plans that may be implemented immediately. Along with these plans, resource shortfalls were identified early, saving valuable time in the event an actual response is warranted. It is because of the dedication of every workshop participant that Louisiana is much better prepared for a catastrophic hurricane. More here.

A clear case of 'privatization' as failure has rarely been seen.

Storm Exposed Disarray at the Top

By Susan B. Glasser and Josh White
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, September 4, 2005; Page A01

...Despite four years and tens of billions of dollars spent preparing for the worst, the federal government was not ready when it came at daybreak on Monday, according to interviews with more than a dozen current and former senior officials and outside experts.

Among the flaws they cited: Failure to take the storm seriously before it hit and trigger the government's highest level of response. Rebuffed offers of aid from the military, states and cities. An unfinished new plan meant to guide disaster response. And a slow bureaucracy that waited until late Tuesday to declare the catastrophe "an incident of national significance," the new federal term meant to set off the broadest possible relief effort.

Born out of the confused and uncertain response to 9/11, the massive new Department of Homeland Security was charged with being ready the next time, whether the disaster was wrought by nature or terrorists. The department commanded huge resources as it prepared for deadly scenarios from an airborne anthrax attack to a biological attack with plague to a chlorine-tank explosion.

But Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said yesterday that his department had failed to find an adequate model for addressing the "ultra-catastrophe" that resulted when Hurricane Katrina's floodwater breached New Orleans's levees and drowned the city, "as if an atomic bomb had been dropped."

Apparently, the Department of Homeland Security has no access to the 'internets'.

Storm Exposed Disarray at the Top

By Susan B. Glasser and Josh White
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, September 4, 2005; Page A01

...Despite four years and tens of billions of dollars spent preparing for the worst, the federal government was not ready when it came at daybreak on Monday, according to interviews with more than a dozen current and former senior officials and outside experts.

Among the flaws they cited: Failure to take the storm seriously before it hit and trigger the government's highest level of response. Rebuffed offers of aid from the military, states and cities. An unfinished new plan meant to guide disaster response. And a slow bureaucracy that waited until late Tuesday to declare the catastrophe "an incident of national significance," the new federal term meant to set off the broadest possible relief effort.

Born out of the confused and uncertain response to 9/11, the massive new Department of Homeland Security was charged with being ready the next time, whether the disaster was wrought by nature or terrorists. The department commanded huge resources as it prepared for deadly scenarios from an airborne anthrax attack to a biological attack with plague to a chlorine-tank explosion.

But Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said yesterday that his department had failed to find an adequate model for addressing the "ultra-catastrophe" that resulted when Hurricane Katrina's floodwater breached New Orleans's levees and drowned the city, "as if an atomic bomb had been dropped."

Apparently, the Department of Homeland Security has no access to the 'internets'.

FEMA takes brunt of hurricane relief criticism

BY MICHELLE MITTELSTADT
The Dallas Morning News

Though disaster planners have long ranked a direct hurricane strike on New Orleans as one of the top three catastrophic scenarios facing the United States, authorities have lagged badly in evacuating the sick and vulnerable, passing out food and water, deploying military assets and quelling rampant lawlessness. And while the Superdome has long factored in disaster preparedness plans as the city's main hurricane refuge, no supplies were stocked there before the storm hit Monday.

Dr. Michael Lindell, a senior scholar at Texas A&M's Hazard Reduction and Recovery Center, said he cannot comprehend why federal officials had not deployed equipment and relief supplies before Katrina struck - or mobilized to relieve clearly outflanked state and local resources.

"If it's a Category 5 hurricane, then frankly it doesn't take an Einstein to figure out that it's going to overwhelm local capacity and that they are going to be in a world of hurt," he said, referring to the storm that fell to Category 4 by the time it hit shore. "You don't have to wait until there are bodies floating around in the water to start activating the National Guard."

Many disaster relief specialists blame FEMA's stumble on its diminished standing within the government and a relentless focus on terrorism prevention by the agency's new overseers.

In a post-Sept. 11 reorganization, FEMA joined 21 other agencies in a new Homeland Security Department, stripped of the Cabinet rank that had allowed it to report directly to the president. And, in a further department shuffle in July, FEMA lost its historic mission of working with state and local governments on preparedness plans before disaster strikes.

The administration has been trotting out representatives from the Army Corps of Engineers to say that they didn't see the 'break' in the levee coming. But nearly in the same sentence they admit that the flooding was foreseen.

But there was a change in leadership at the Corps in 2002.

Ex-Army Corps officials say budget cuts imperiled flood mitigation efforts

As levees burst and floods continued to spread across areas hit by Hurricane Katrina yesterday, a former chief of the Army Corps of Engineers disparaged senior White House officials for "not understanding" that key elements of the region's infrastructure needed repair and rebuilding.

Mike Parker, the former head of the Army Corps of Engineers, was forced to resign in 2002 over budget disagreements with the White House. He clashed with Mitch Daniels, former director of the Office of Management and Budget, which sets the administration's annual budget goals.

"One time I took two pieces of steel into Mitch Daniels' office," Parker recalled. "They were exactly the same pieces of steel, except one had been under water in a Mississippi lock for 30 years, and the other was new. The first piece was completely corroded and falling apart because of a lack of funding. I said, 'Mitch, it doesn't matter if a terrorist blows the lock up or if it falls down because it disintegrates -- either way it's the same effect, and if we let it fall down, we have only ourselves to blame.' It made no impact on him whatsoever."

Daniels, now governor of Indiana, did not respond to a request for comment.

Fire the employees that counter your agenda. Just another day in Bushworld. Damn the consequences.

On the front cover of the Mississippi Press, the boldest headline is 'Where's FEMA?' They are still waiting.

Where's FEMA?

by Natalie Chambers
THE MISSISSIPPI PRESS
September 4, 2005

PASCAGOULA County and municipal officials are asking aloud Wheres FEMA?

As word spread of temporary housing needs beginning to be met in neighboring Harrison County, more questions are being asked in Jackson County.

Leaders here can only hope that they are next on the Federal Emergency Management Agencys list.

An estimated 100,000 of 135,000 Jackson County residents are in need of housing assistance following Mondays landfall of devastating Hurricane Katrina, county officials were told by a Red Cross national representative. They also need a dependable supply of water, ice, food and other necessities.

To summarize; there was ample warning, plenty of studies to predict the flooding, but budget slashing, downsizing and privatization were employed that crippled FEMA's disaster relief abilities.
To top it off, cronyism.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 08:47 PM
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543. 9/19 FEMA Employee Opinions worst I have ever seen, period
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
NPR Commentary: "FEMA Employee Opinions worst I have ever seen, period."

From this morning's 'Morning Edition' commentary:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=48...

Commentary: An argument for fixes at FEMA
September 19, 2005 from Morning Edition

STEVE INSKEEP, host: So there's a plan for rebuilding New Orleans. Now here's a plan for rebuilding the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Commentator Paul Light is author of "The Four Pillars of High Performance," which outlines his strategy for strengthening organizations like FEMA.

PAUL LIGHT:

Contrary to the now conventional wisdom, FEMA was not the victim of the Homeland Security merger. Flooded by inexperienced political appointees at the top, the agency already ranked dead last on the list of best places to work in government well before Katrina hit. According to the federal government's own surveys, employees reported sharp declines in morale and resources in early 2002. Less than a third said they held their new leaders in high regard. The concerns are familiar across government where employees complain about the lack of resources and the politicalization of even trivial decisions, but the FEMA opinions are the worst I have ever seen, period.

FEMA had only recently rebounded from years as a political dumping ground for campaign aides with no place else to go. It failed miserably after Hurricane Andrew hit Florida in 1992. Eight years of hard work brought the agency up to peak performance. Then inexperienced appointees brought the agency back down. Katrina shows yet again how important effective leadership is to government performance. On the day Katrina hit, half of FEMA's top political jobs were occupied by executives without any meaningful disaster experience. Seven of the top civil service jobs were filled by acting appointees. It's no wonder FEMA hesitated as the catastrophe took hold.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:04 PM
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22. Pre K: Clinton builds emergency preparedness
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 02:08 PM
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316. 9/10 E-mail fr friend Comparing Pres'l Actions Re- Hurricanes Past
In August of 1969 when Cat-5 Hurricane Camille hit roughly the same area as Katrina, President Nixon had already readied the National Guard and ordered all Gulf rescue vessels and equipment from Tampa and Houston to follow the Hurricane in. There were over 1,000 regular military with two dozen helicopters to assist the Coast Guard and National Guard within hours after the skies cleared.

August, 1992 -- Hurricane Andrew -- President H.W. Bush (#41) was in the midst of a brutal campaign for re-election. Yet, he cut off his campaigning the day before and went to Washington where he marshaled the largest military operation on US soil in history. He sent in 7,000 National Guard and 22,000 regular military personnel, and all the gear to begin the clean up within hours after Andrew passed through Florida.
In September 1999, Hurricane Floyd -- a category 3 -- was bearing down the Carolinas and Virginia. President Clinton (#42) was in Christchurch, New Zealand, meeting with President Jiang of China. He made the Presidential proclamation declaring the areas affected by Floyd "Federal Disaster Areas" so the National Guard and Military can begin to mobilize. Then he cut short his meetings overseas and flew home to coordinate the rescue efforts. This all one day BEFORE a Cat-3 hit the coast.
George W. Bush (#43) - August 2005 - Cat-5 Hurricane Katrina bears down on New Orleans and the Mississippi gulf. Both states are down nearly 8,000 National Guard troops because they are in Iraq -- with most of the rescue gear needed. Bush is on vacation. The day before Katrina makes landfall, Bush rides his bike for two hours. The day she hits, he goes to Johnnie McCain's birthday party and lies to old people about the multi-billion-dollar pharmaceutical company welfare boondoggle. People are dying, the largest port of entry in the United States (and fifth largest in the World) is under attack. Troops and supplies are desperately needed. The levees are cracking and the emergency 1-1/2 ton sandbags are ready, but there aren't enough helicopters or pilots to set them before the levees fail. The mayor of New Orleans begs for Federal coordination, but there is none, and the sandbagging never gets done. So Bush -- naturally -- goes to San Diego to play guitar with the country singer and give another tired speech trying to justify the Iraq oil war. The levees give way, filling New Orleans with water, sewage, oil and chemicals. The city is totally destroyed. Thousands are dead or dying. Bush decides he'll end his vacation a couple of days early -- TOMORROW -- because Rumsfeld has skybox tickets to a Padres game! He goes back to the Farm in Crawford, with every intention of doing something on WEDNESDAY about this disaster that starting happening last Sunday night.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:19 PM
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23. Just prior to K: Official Fed announcements and declarations
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 08:22 PM by mom cat
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:31 PM
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215. Dated Aug 27(?):official: White House declaration
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 01:10 PM by mom cat
From the White House

Statement on Federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/2005082...

The President today declared an emergency exists in the State of Louisiana and ordered Federal aid to supplement state and local response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina beginning on August 26, 2005, and continuing.

The President's action authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused by the emergency on the local population, and to provide appropriate assistance for required emergency measures, authorized under Title V of the Stafford Act, to save lives, protect property and public health and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in the parishes of Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Claiborne, Catahoula, Concordia, De Soto, East Baton Rouge, East Carroll, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Livingston, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Pointe Coupee, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Helena, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, West Feliciana, and Winn.

Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency. Debris removal and emergency protective measures, including direct Federal assistance, will be provided at 75 percent Federal funding.

Representing FEMA, Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary for Emergency Preparedness and Response, Department of Homeland Security, named William Lokey as the Federal Coordinating Officer for Federal recovery operations in the affected area.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: FEMA (202) 646-4600.

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #215
216. Sept 8: From the WH press release: BUSH DIDN'T MOVE TO PROTECT NO AT ALL!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

BloodyWilliam (428 posts) Thu Sep-08-05 02:30 PM
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From the WH press release: BUSH DIDN'T MOVE TO PROTECT NO AT ALL!
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/2005082 ...

Read the list of parishes covered. Orleans? Missing. Jefferson? Missing. Tarribone? Missing. Any of the parishes that were going to recieve the worst part of the hurricane? MISSING. According to the press release, the only parishes actually protected by Bush's actions are the northern, inland ones.

I'm enraged. I'm actually shocked. We have to put this out there, we have to spread this everywhere we can. Bush didn't lift one finger to help the parishes that needed the most help, even after the governor explicitly requested it.

We NEED to show this to everyone. The truth has to be heard. This is hard, this is real, and this is pretty obvious in the Bush administration's criminal negligence.

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #215
220. Katrinatimeline
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 01:48 PM by mom cat
edit for link to Katrina timeline: http://www.katrinatimeline.org/aug27.html

8:30 AM ET / 7:30 AM CT
Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco participates in the Southeastern Louisiana parishes Conference Call at the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness (LHLS & EP). The Governor joins federal, state, and parish officials as they receive the latest information on Hurricane Katrina and discuss emergency preparations in the southeastern Louisiana parishes. At the conclusion of the conference call, Governor Blanco conducted a briefing for the news media at the LHLS & EP. http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=...

10:00 AM CT
NHC-HURRICANE KATRINA FORECAST/ADVISORY NUMBER 17 http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2005/mar/al122005.fstad... ?

NHC-HURRICANE KATRINA ADVISORY NUMBER 17 http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2005/pub/al122005.publi... ?

NHC-HURRICANE KATRINA DISCUSSION NUMBER 17 http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2005/dis/al122005.discu... ?

NHC-HURRICANE KATRINA PROBABILITIES NUMBER 17 http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2005/prb/al122005.prblt... ?

FEMA:Emergency Aid Authorized For Hurricane Katrina Emergency Response In Louisiana
Release Date: August 27, 2005 Release Number: HQ-05-169

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary of Homeland Security for Emergency Preparedness and Response, today announced that Federal resources are being allocated to support emergency protective response efforts response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina.

Brown said President Bush authorized the aid under an emergency disaster declaration issued following a review of FEMA's analysis of the state's request for federal assistance. FEMA will mobilize equipment and resources necessary to protect public health and safety by assisting law enforcement with evacuations, establishing shelters, supporting emergency medical needs, meeting immediate lifesaving and life-sustaining human needs and protecting property, in addition to other emergency protective measures.

The parishes of Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Claiborne, Catahoula, Concordia, De Soto, East Baton Rouge, East Carroll, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle?, Lincoln, Livingston, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Pointe Coupee, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Helena, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, West Feliciana, and Winn were designated eligible for assistance. In addition, federal funds will be available for public safety debris removal and emergency protective measures at 75 percent of approved costs.

Brown named William Lokey of FEMA to coordinate the federal relief effort. FEMA prepares the nation for all hazards and manages federal response and recovery efforts following any national incident. FEMA also initiates mitigation activities, trains first responders, works with state and local emergency managers, and manages the National Flood Insurance Program and the U.S. Fire Administration. FEMA became part of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security on March 1, 2003.


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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 01:20 PM
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218. These "missing counties" are included in the 8/29 posting ..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

halobeam (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-08-05 03:24 PM

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22. These "missing counties" are included in the 8/29 posting ..
on whitehouse.gov

snip....

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
August 29, 2005

Statement on Federal Disaster Assistance for Louisiana




The President today declared a major disaster exists in the State of Louisiana and ordered Federal aid to supplement State and local recovery efforts in the area struck by Hurricane Katrina beginning on August 29, 2005, and continuing.

The President's action makes Federal funding available to affected individuals in the parishes of Acadia, Ascension, Assumption, Calcasieu, Cameron, East Baton Rouge, East Feliciana, Iberia, Iberville, Jefferson, Jefferson Davis, Lafayette, Lafourche, Livingston, Orleans, Plaquemines, Pointe Coupee, St. Bernard, St. Charles, St. Helena, St. James, St. John, St. Mary, St. Martin, St. Tammany, Tangipahoa, Terrebonne, Vermilion, Washington, West Baton Rouge, and West Feliciana. Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster.

Federal funding is available to State and eligible local government in the parishes of Acadia, Ascension, Assumption, Calcasieu, Cameron, East Baton Rouge, East Feliciana, Iberia, Iberville, Jefferson, Jefferson Davis, Lafayette, Lafourche, Livingston, Orleans, Plaquemines, Pointe Coupee, St. Bernard, St. Charles, St. Helena, St. James, St. John, St. Mary, St. Martin, St. Tammany, Tangipahoa, Terrebonne, Vermilion, Washington, West Baton Rouge, and West Feliciana for debris removal and emergency protective measures, including direct Federal assistance.

Federal funding also is available to State and eligible local governments in the parishes of Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Catahoula, Claiborne, Concordia, Desoto, East Carroll, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, and Winn for emergency protective measures, including direct Federal assistance.

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 01:27 PM
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219. Sept 8, 2005...copy of Aug 29 from whitehouse .gov.
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 01:30 PM by mom cat
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:49 PM
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242. Disaster declarations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
(Statute Re- Pres. appointing a Fed. officer to coord with a State officer)
Undeniable proof of who was supposed to be in charge

There is no doubt this was federal responsibility.
http://www.ohioema.org/robertt.htm

Sec. 302. (a) Immediately upon his declaration of a major disaster or emergency, the President shall appoint a Federal coordinating officer to operate in the affected area.He declared this a disaster area on the 27th.The ball was in the fed's court.

(b) In order to effectuate the purposes of this Act, the Federal coordinating officer, within the affected area, shall

(1) make an initial appraisal of the types of relief most urgently needed;
(2) establish such field offices as he deems necessary and as are authorized by the President;
(3) coordinate the administration of relief, including activities of the State and local government, the American National Red Cross, the Salvation Army, the Mennonite Disaster Service, and other relief or disaster assistance organizations, which agree to operate under his advice or direction, except that nothing contained in this Act shall limit or in any way affect the responsibilities of the American National Red Cross under the Act of January 5, 1905, as amended (33 Stat. 599); and
(4) take such other action, consistent with authority delegated to him by the President, and consistent with the provisions of this Act, as he may deem necessary to assist local citizens and public officials in promptly obtaining assistance to which they are entitled.

(c) When the President determines assistance under this Act is necessary, he shall request that the Governor of the affected State designate a State coordinating officer for the purposes of coordinating State and local disaster assistance efforts with those of the Federal Government.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Horse with no Name (1000+ posts)
Thu Sep-08-05 10:56 AM
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There is NO conspiracy regarding the disaster declarations

Please can we put this to rest. The disaster declarations were done CORRECTLY and there werent ANY parishes left out of the loop. To keep this in perspective, you must first look at the initial letter provided by Gov. Blanco
http://gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pd...
It is a PDF file so I cannot cut and paste it. If someone can do that I would be grateful.

Then the Presidents response:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/2005082...
Statement on Federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana
The President today declared an emergency exists in the State of Louisiana and ordered Federal aid to supplement state and local response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina beginning on August 26, 2005, and continuing. These are the primary counties that Gov. Blanco named as parishes to receive major damage and significant damage.
The President's action authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused by the emergency on the local population, and to provide appropriate assistance for required emergency measures, authorized under Title V of the Stafford Act, to save lives, protect property and public health and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in the parishes of Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Claiborne, Catahoula, Concordia, De Soto, East Baton Rouge, East Carroll, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Livingston, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Pointe Coupee, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Helena, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, West Feliciana, and Winn. these are the counties that are listed to be secondarily affected.
Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency. Debris removal and emergency protective measures, including direct Federal assistance, will be provided at 75 percent Federal funding.
Representing FEMA, Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary for Emergency Preparedness and Response, Department of Homeland Security, named William Lokey as the Federal Coordinating Officer for Federal recovery operations in the affected area.
FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: FEMA (202) 646-4600.

Then FEMAs response: http://www.fema.gov/news/event.fema?id=4786
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary of Homeland Security for Emergency Preparedness and Response, today announced that Federal resources are being allocated to support emergency protective response efforts response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina.These are the parishes in the path of the hurricane.
Brown said President Bush authorized the aid under an emergency disaster declaration issued following a review of FEMA's analysis of the state's request for federal assistance. FEMA will mobilize equipment and resources necessary to protect public health and safety by assisting law enforcement with evacuations, establishing shelters, supporting emergency medical needs, meeting immediate lifesaving and life-sustaining human needs and protecting property, in addition to other emergency protective measures.
The parishes of Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Claiborne, Catahoula, Concordia, De Soto, East Baton Rouge, East Carroll, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Livingston, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Pointe Coupee, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Helena, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, West Feliciana, and Winn were designated eligible for assistance. In addition, federal funds will be available for public safety debris removal and emergency protective measures at 75 percent of approved costs.These are the secondarily affected parishes.
Brown named William Lokey of FEMA to coordinate the federal relief effort. FEMA prepares the nation for all hazards and manages federal response and recovery efforts following any national incident. FEMA also initiates mitigation activities, trains first responders, works with state and local emergency managers, and manages the National Flood Insurance Program and the U.S. Fire Administration. FEMA became part of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security on March 1, 2003.

It is clearly indicated that the FIRST set (She actually names the parishes that will be directly affected, but the FEMA and Bushs response refer to these as parishes in the path of the hurricane). In all three documents however, the secondary counties are listed specifically. All three documents follow the same format.
This isnt a conspiracy. There werent any parishes left outthey were just referred to differently. The Stafford Act demands that these parishes be listed to be eligible for aid, even though they may or may not be damaged.
http://www.ohioema.org/robertt.htm
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:36 PM
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382. 9/10 (orig 9/4) Bush Suspended Posse Comatatus???
Edited on Sat Sep-10-05 10:43 PM by snot
(I think this is actually AFTER k, but I wasn't sure where else to put it. However, I think the subject of the applicable law re- state vs. fed authority, Bush's attempt to get Blanco agree to "Federalize", concerns about using the army here while sending Nat'l Guard abroad and the whole subject of posse comatatus may need its own subheading.)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...
Anyone Hear About A 6 AM Appearance By Bush? Suspended Some Laws?

My sister just called and said Bush came on TV at 6AM and announced that he was suspending the laws that prevented the military from engaging in police activities here in the states!

From some other posts in same thread:

23. MACDIS would probably suffice in this case
http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/html2/d302512 ...

One of the first things that Bush(Cheney) did in 2001 was redirect money in the DoD to review (I think they used a differnt verb) posse comitatus. I used to have a .gov link for this request but I can't find it right now. Then in 2002, the WH publicly stated it wanted to reexamine the posse comitatus but Congress didn't play along. They brought it up again last month

Here's part of an editorial from the Plain Dealer, 8/15/2005. I got it out of LexisNexis so no link.. sorry.

The U.S. military is said to have plans for some very unlikely scenarios among them, for instance, the invasion of London. So there should be little surprise when the Washington Post reports that the Northern Command headquarters, responsible for the continental United States, has drawn up plans for the armed forces to take charge in case of a catastrophic terrorist attack.

Little surprise, but some proper concern, nonetheless. Although the words martial law were not used in the account, thats almost certainly what would result. Should a president assert his or her commander-in-chief authority under Article 2 of the Constitution to set aside the post-Civil War Posse Comitatus Act and bring in troops to preserve the order, Americans would live, in whatever numbers and for whatever time frame, under rules foreign to their unregimented ways.

Among those rules would be restrictions on travel and the distribution of food, water and fuel, and depending on the extent of the attack quite possibly some attempts to control communications: television, radio, newspapers and even the Internet.

Karmakaze (221 posts)
Sun Sep-04-05 10:16 AM
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25. Posse Comitatus Act:
Here are some links that can provide some more information on the Act:

http://law.wustl.edu/WULQ/75-2/752-10.html
http://www.homelandsecurity.org/journal/articles/Trebil ...

The interesting point is made in the second link:

Federal military personnel may also be used pursuant to the Stafford Act, 42 U.S.C., section 5121, in times of natural disaster upon request from a state governor. In such an instance, the Stafford Act permits the president to declare a major disaster and send in military forces on an emergency basis for up to ten days to preserve life and property. While the Stafford Act authority is still subject to the criteria of active versus passive, it represents a significant exception to the Posse Comitatus Acts underlying principle that the military is not a domestic police force auxiliary.

The only reason I can see for Bush to "suspend" Posse Comitatus is the duration that military forces are allowed to be employed - 10 days.

30. What's wrong with this picture?
We have the National Guard in Iraq and Northcom in an american city.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...
The Busheviks are going to get away with it.

I had hope. I no longer do. They have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. Stay with me here...

General Honore comes in and is touted as a hero restoring order to New Orleans. He is now spinning madly to protect the Busheviks. The coup is complete. We are now a dictatorship.

What has gone unnoticed is, since early this morning Posse Comatatus has been suspended. Had Clinton dared such a thing, it would have been an open Civil War, but those who would have decried such an act under Clinton now support it wholeheartedly under Bush.

This is a significant event. These bastards know survival psychology, and failing to respond was a cold, calculated maneuver to have the nation BEG for a military presence to restore order. Now, this will be utilized as justification for them to move in with the military any place at any time. Killing of Americans by American military forces is now an acceptable option.

In our humanity, we have called down the retribution of a military dictatorship.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:20 AM
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471. 9-13: Sen. Warner & Snow: "revise" Posse Comitatus & Insurrection
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Sen. Warner & Snow: "revise" Posse Comitatus & Insurrection Acts
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 02:52 PM by paineinthearse

Senator Warner (R-Va) fires first shot to revise/repeal the posse comitatus act & the insurrection act.

Live from floor speech...developing. Warner asked unanimous consent his "thoughts" be entered into the record (may be available in Thomas tomorrow, but any DU members from Virginia, please call his office and get/post a copy of his "thoughts" here ASAP).

His direction was immediately seconded by Senator Snow (R-Maine).



http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/comrel/factfile/Factcards/P ...

"POSSE COMITATUS ACT" (18 USC 1385): A Reconstruction Era criminal law proscribing use of Army (later, Air Force) to "execute the laws" except where expressly authorized by Constitution or Congress. Limit on use of military for civilian law enforcement also applies to Navy by regulation. Dec '81 additional laws were enacted (codified 10 USC 371-78) clarifying permissible military assistance to civilian law enforcement agencies--including the Coast Guard--especially in combating drug smuggling into the United States. Posse Comitatus clarifications emphasize supportive and technical assistance (e.g., use of facilities, vessels, aircraft, intelligence, tech aid, surveillance, etc.) while generally prohibiting direct participation of DoD personnel in law enforcement (e.g., search, seizure, and arrests). For example, Coast Guard Law Enforcement Detachments (LEDETS) serve aboard Navy vessels and perform the actual boardings of interdicted suspect drug smuggling vessels and, if needed, arrest their crews). Positive results have been realized especially from Navy ship/aircraft involvement.



http://matewan.squarespace.com/journal/2005/9/7/the-ins ...

The Insurrection Act
332. Use of militia and armed forces to enforce Federal authority

Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State or Territory by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion.

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:24 PM
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24. Just prior to K: Announcements and declarations of various states
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:02 PM
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44. DU thread w/ info re- Blanco's announcments August 26 - 28
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Some replies in the thread contain useful info, e.g., # 10.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 01:45 AM
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143. August 28...Blanco's letter to Bush (trhough the FEMA regional director)
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:08 AM
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184. Are people seriously buying that "Bush told Blanco first" emergency crap?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

gatorboy (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-08-05 08:24 AM
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Are people seriously buying that "Bush told Blanco first" emergency crap?
I mean, c'mon. I hear these people trying to use these talking points when all they have to do is check the timeline through news articles between the 26th and 28th. Are they seriously that lazy?

In case they need more proof....Here you go:

Blanco declared a state of emergency on Friday:
http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2 ...


Bush declared a state of emergency on Saturday:
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/1-08272005-53337 ...

See, Friday comes before Saturday....Wasn't that easy? You having fun? Cool! Let's do one more...And this time we'll have FEMA help us out! Weeeeee!

Friday=Blanco
http://www.fema.gov/emanagers/2005/nat082705.shtm

(Pssst! They even made it bold so you could see it easier!)

State of Emergency Declared in Mississippi, Louisiana DueIn anticipation of a possible landfall, Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour and Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco declared States of Emergency Friday. In Louisiana, New Orleans is of particular concern because much of that city lies below sea level.

Bush=Saturday
http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18447

Brown said President Bush authorized the aid under an emergency disaster declaration issued following a review of FEMA's analysis of the state's request for federal assistance.

I sure had fun and I hope you did to! Next week, Michael Brown is going to show us how tomilk a horse. See you then!


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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #184
217. Yes, they're buying it! Rove/GOP also told WP and Newsweek
As I state over at Angry Girl
http://www.nightweed.com/angrygirl.html

If you control the information, that is to say, the media, then nobody will ever become the wiser. With today's technology and mass media, you CAN fool MOST the people MOST the time. (If you know of any naive, ignorant folk who trust everything they see on TV, send them to MediaMatters.org at http://mediamatters.org .

Talking Points (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com /) has pointed out a classic example of the White House smear and cover-up tactics that are the trademark of Bush handler Karl Rove, in charge of easing Katrina's political damage at the White House (http://nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspecial/... ):

August 27 Governor Blanco requests that Bush declare a State of Emergency. The next day she declare a Stte of Ermegency herself, posted on the State of Louisiana website on August 28.
PDF file here
http://gov.louisiana.gov/2005%20%20proclamations/48pro2...

Sept 4 Washington Post reported Sept. 4: "As of Saturday, Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency, the senior Bush official said." A correction was printed later that day but the damage was done.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

Sept 6 Newsweek repeats the statement: "Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco seemed uncertain and sluggish, hesitant to declare martial law or a state of emergency, which would have opened the door to more Pentagon help." No correction or retraction has been made yet.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9179587/page/5 /

Sept 7 Larry Johnson reports he called MSNBC's show Connected, Coast to Coast with Ron Reagan while a man from the Evergreen Foundation was on the air spinning the myth that Bush had to "beg" the Governor of Louisiana to take action. Scarily, when Johnson called to correct the misinformation, the booker Susan Durrwatcher thanked me for my "opinion" and said "we just have a different perspective"!
http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2005/9/7/142737/2117
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 02:08 PM
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222. Aug Aug 26...Gov Blanco declares state of emergency
http://www.katrinatimeline.org/aug26.html

4:00 PM CT
GOVERNOR BLANCO DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY

BATON ROUGE, LA--Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco today issued Proclamation No. 48 KBB 2005, declaring a state of emergency for the state Louisiana as Hurricane Katrina poses an imminent threat, carrying severe storms, high winds, and torrential rain that may cause flooding and damage to private property and public facilities, and threaten the safety and security of the citizens of the state of Louisiana The state of emergency extends from Friday, August 26, 2005, through Sunday, September 25, 2005, unless terminated sooner.

The full text of Proclamation No. 48 KBB 2005 is as follows:

WHEREAS, the Louisiana Homeland Security and Emergency Assistance and Disaster Act, R.S. 29 21, et seq., confers upon the governor of the state of Louisiana emergency powers to deal with emergencies and disasters, including those caused by fire, flood, earthquake or other natural or man-made causes, in order to ensure that preparations of this state will be adequate to deal with such emergencies or disasters and to preserve the lives and property of the citizens of the state of Louisiana;

WHEREAS, when the governor finds a disaster or emergency has occurred, or the threat thereof is imminent, R.S. 29 24(B)(1) empowers her to declare the state of disaster or emergency by executive order or proclamation, or both; and

WHEREAS, On August 26, 2005, Hurricane Katrina poses an imminent threat to the state of Louisiana, carrying severe storms, high winds, and torrential rain that may cause flooding and damage to private property and public facilities, and threaten the safety and security of the citizens of Louisiana;

NOW THEREFORE I, KATHLEEN BABINEAUX BLANCO,
Governor of the state of Louisiana, by virtue of the authority vested by the Constitution and laws of the state of Louisiana, do hereby order and direct as follows:

SECTION 1: Pursuant to the Louisiana Homeland Security and Emergency Assistance and Disaster Act, R.S. 29 21, et seq., a state of emergency is declared to exist in the state of Louisiana as Hurricane Katrina poses an imminent threat, carrying severe storms, high winds, and torrential rain that may cause flooding and damage to private property and public facilities, and threaten the safety and security of the citizens of the state of Louisiana;

SECTION 2: The state of Louisiana's emergency response and recovery program is activated under the command of the director of the state office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness to prepare for and provide emergency support services and/or to minimize the effects of the storm's damage.

SECTION 3: The state of emergency extends from Friday, August 26, 2005, through Sunday, September 25, 2005, unless terminated sooner.
http://gov.louisiana.gov/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=97...

Lt. Gen. Russel Honor, commander, Joint Task Force Katrina, acknowledges in Special Defense Department Briefing held on Sept. 1 that a request from the state governors in Louisiana, Mississippi was requested a week earlier Friday Aug. 26.
Q: General, Jamie McIntyre from CNN. To what extent is this additional assistance you've outlined today a response to a request from the state governors in Louisiana, Mississippi? And if so, can you tell us when specifically you got that request?

GEN. HONOR: Yes, sir. The process starts, sir, in this particular event, with a request Friday of last week, as the approximate date for defense coordinating offices to be established in Florida, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana. Those were established in those states over Friday

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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 09:30 PM
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371. 9/10 (orig 9/3) Debunking the WaPo: Blanco Requested Fed Aid on 8/28!
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Debunking the WaPo: Blanco Requested Fed Aid on 8/28!

(Sorry if this duplicates)

Debunking the WaPo: Gov. Blanco Requested Federal Aid from Bush on Sunday, August 28th - 2 Days Before Katrina Struck

In a well detailed letter to President Bush, Governor Kathleen Blanco requested that Bush declare an expedited state of disaster for the State of Louisiana beginning on August 28, 2005 and continuing.

It appears there is some confusion over at the White House about when Governor Blanco requested aid and for that matter when she declared a State of Emergency for the State of Louisiana.

According to the WaPo, As of Saturday, Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency, the senior Bush official said. Thats rather curious because the letter from Governor Blanco to President Bush clearly states that she declared a State of Emergency on August 26, 2005.

Perhaps the two journalists for the WaPo dont frequent DU, but they should, if they did they might have seen the link to the letter. And a quick visit to Gov.Louisiana.gov would have turned up the link to this: STATE OF EMERGENCY - HURRICANE KATRINA - August 26, 2005. The State of Emergeny Order clearly states that The state of emergency extends from Friday, August 26, 2005, through Sunday, September 25, 2005, unless terminated sooner.

It seems that these two documents do create a bit of sticky situation for the lies of the Bush administration, perpetuated by the WaPo in this story Many Evacuated, but Thousands Still Waiting, White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials.

Behind the scenes, a power struggle emerged, as federal officials tried to wrest authority from Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (D). Shortly before midnight Friday, the Bush administration sent her a proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans, a source within the states emergency operations center said Saturday.

The administration sought unified control over all local police and state National Guard units reporting to the governor. Louisiana officials rejected the request after talks throughout the night, concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law. Some officials in the state suspected a political motive behind the request. Quite frankly, if theyd been able to pull off taking it away from the locals, they then could have blamed everything on the locals, said the source, who does not have the authority to speak publicly.

A senior administration official said that Bush has clear legal authority to federalize National Guard units to quell civil disturbances under the Insurrection Act and will continue to try to unify the chains of command that are split among the president, the Louisiana governor and the New Orleans mayor.

Louisiana did not reach out to a multi-state mutual aid compact for assistance until Wednesday, three state and federal officials said. As of Saturday, Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency, the senior Bush official said.

The federal government stands ready to work with state and local officials to secure New Orleans and the state of Louisiana, White House spokesman Dan Bartlett said. The president will not let any form of bureaucracy get in the way of protecting the citizens of Louisiana.

Blanco made two moves Saturday that protected her independence from the federal government: She created a philanthropic fund for the states victims and hired James Lee Witt, Federal Emergency Management Agency director in the Clinton administration, to advise her on the relief effort.

Clearly the WaPo could have done a better job with a bit of investigative journalism. They chose the easy way out and let the claims of the Bush administration stand as a statement of their headline, rather than refute the Bush administrations claims, as I have above.

MORE & LINKS - http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=431
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:57 AM
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212. Natl Hurricane Center's Mayfield held video conf. w/ Bush 8/28
On Saturday night, Mayfield was so worried about Hurricane Katrina that he called the governors of Louisiana and Mississippi and the mayor of New Orleans. On Sunday, he even talked about the force of Katrina during a video conference call to President Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas.

"I just wanted to be able to go to sleep that night knowing that I did all I could do," Mayfield said.
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/30/State/For_forecasting...

(Thank you, Talking Points Memo)
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2005_09_...
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 01:55 PM
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221. August 26: Gov, Blanco's press releace: Conference call for aug27
Press Release
Date: 8/26/2005


Contact :Denise Bottcher or Roderick Hawkins at 225-342-9037


GOVERNOR BLANCO TO HOLD PRESS BRIEFING

http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=...

BATON ROUGEOn Saturday, August 27, 2005 at 7:30 a.m., Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco will participate in the Southeastern Louisiana parishes Conference Call at the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness (LHLS & EP). The Governor will join federal, state, and parish officials as they receive the latest information on Hurricane Katrina and discuss emergency preparations in the southeastern Louisiana parishes.

At the conclusion of the conference call, Governor Blanco will conduct a briefing for the news media at the LHLS & EP.

Governors press briefing re Hurricane Katrina
Following 7:30 a.m. conference call with Southeast Parishes
Louisiana Office of Homeland Security & Emergency Preparedness
7667 Independence Blvd
Baton Rouge, LA



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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:50 PM
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243. Disaster declarations
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts)
Thu Sep-08-05 10:56 AM
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There is NO conspiracy regarding the disaster declarations

Please can we put this to rest. The disaster declarations were done CORRECTLY and there werent ANY parishes left out of the loop. To keep this in perspective, you must first look at the initial letter provided by Gov. Blanco
http://gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pd...
It is a PDF file so I cannot cut and paste it. If someone can do that I would be grateful.

Then the Presidents response:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/2005082...
Statement on Federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana
The President today declared an emergency exists in the State of Louisiana and ordered Federal aid to supplement state and local response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina beginning on August 26, 2005, and continuing. These are the primary counties that Gov. Blanco named as parishes to receive major damage and significant damage.
The President's action authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused by the emergency on the local population, and to provide appropriate assistance for required emergency measures, authorized under Title V of the Stafford Act, to save lives, protect property and public health and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in the parishes of Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Claiborne, Catahoula, Concordia, De Soto, East Baton Rouge, East Carroll, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Livingston, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Pointe Coupee, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Helena, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, West Feliciana, and Winn. these are the counties that are listed to be secondarily affected.
Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency. Debris removal and emergency protective measures, including direct Federal assistance, will be provided at 75 percent Federal funding.
Representing FEMA, Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary for Emergency Preparedness and Response, Department of Homeland Security, named William Lokey as the Federal Coordinating Officer for Federal recovery operations in the affected area.
FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: FEMA (202) 646-4600.

Then FEMAs response: http://www.fema.gov/news/event.fema?id=4786
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary of Homeland Security for Emergency Preparedness and Response, today announced that Federal resources are being allocated to support emergency protective response efforts response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina.These are the parishes in the path of the hurricane.
Brown said President Bush authorized the aid under an emergency disaster declaration issued following a review of FEMA's analysis of the state's request for federal assistance. FEMA will mobilize equipment and resources necessary to protect public health and safety by assisting law enforcement with evacuations, establishing shelters, supporting emergency medical needs, meeting immediate lifesaving and life-sustaining human needs and protecting property, in addition to other emergency protective measures.
The parishes of Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Claiborne, Catahoula, Concordia, De Soto, East Baton Rouge, East Carroll, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Livingston, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Pointe Coupee, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Helena, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, West Feliciana, and Winn were designated eligible for assistance. In addition, federal funds will be available for public safety debris removal and emergency protective measures at 75 percent of approved costs.These are the secondarily affected parishes.
Brown named William Lokey of FEMA to coordinate the federal relief effort. FEMA prepares the nation for all hazards and manages federal response and recovery efforts following any national incident. FEMA also initiates mitigation activities, trains first responders, works with state and local emergency managers, and manages the National Flood Insurance Program and the U.S. Fire Administration. FEMA became part of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security on March 1, 2003.

It is clearly indicated that the FIRST set (She actually names the parishes that will be directly affected, but the FEMA and Bushs response refer to these as parishes in the path of the hurricane). In all three documents however, the secondary counties are listed specifically. All three documents follow the same format.
This isnt a conspiracy. There werent any parishes left outthey were just referred to differently. The Stafford Act demands that these parishes be listed to be eligible for aid, even though they may or may not be damaged.
http://www.ohioema.org/robertt.htm
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:22 PM
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458. 9/13 Report Confirms Louisiana Took Necessary and Timely Steps
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Report Confirms that Louisiana Took Necessary and Timely Steps

Pursuant to a September 7 request by Representative John Conyers to review the law and legal accountability relating to Federal action in response to Hurricane Katrina, the Congressional Research Service (CRS) issued a report today about whether the Governor of Louisiana took the necessary and timely steps needed to secure disaster relief from the federal government. The report unequivocally concludes that she did.

Congressman Conyers issued the following statement:

"This report closes the book on the Bush Administration's attempts to evade accountability by shifting the blame to the Governor of Louisiana for the Administration's tragically sluggish response to Katrina. It confirms that the Governor did everything she could to secure relief for the people of Louisiana and the Bush Administration was caught napping at a critical time."

In addition to finding that "...it would appear that the Governor did take the steps necessary to request emergency and major disaster declarations for the State of Louisiana in anticipation of Hurricane Katrina. (p.11)" The report found that:

* All necessary conditions for federal relief were met on August 28. Pursuant to Section 502 of the Stafford Act, "he declaration of an emergency by the President makes Federal emergency assistance available," and the President made such a declaration on August 28. The public record indicates that severa additional days passed before such assistance was actually made available to the State;

* The Governor must make a timely request for such assistance, which meets the requirements of federal law. The report states that "xcept to the extent that an emergency involves primarily Federal interests, both declarations of major disaster and declarations of emergency must be triggered by a request to the President from the Governor of the affected state";

* The Governor did indeed make such a request, which was both timely and in compliance with federal law. The report finds that "Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco requested by letter dated August 27, 2005...that the President declare an emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina for the time period from August 26, 2005 and continuing pursuant to " and "Governor Blanco's August 27, 2005 request for an emergency declaration also included her determination...that 'the incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of disaster."

http://blog.dccc.org/mt/archives/003513.html

PDF: http://www2.dccc.org/docs/conyersgaokatrina.pdf
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:51 PM
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466. 9/13 Nonpartisan Congressiona Rpt finds LA governor took necessary steps
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Nonpartisan congressional research report finds LA governor took necessary

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Nonpartisan_congressional...

Nonpartisan congressional research report finds Louisiana governor took necessary steps

The Congressional Research Service (CRS) issued a report Tuesday afternoon asserting that Louisiana governor Katherine Blanco took the necessary and timely steps needed to secure disaster relief from the federal government, RAW STORY has learned.

The report, which comes after a request by Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) to review the law and legal accountability relating to Federal action in response to Hurricane Katrina, unequivocally concludes that she did.

"This report closes the book on the Bush Administration's attempts to evade accountability," Conyers said in a statement. "The Bush Administration was caught napping at a critical time."

The report found that:

...

The Governor did indeed make such a request, which was both timely and in compliance with federal law. The report finds that "Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco requested by letter dated August 27, 2005...that the President declare an emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina for the time period from August 26, 2005 and continuing pursuant to " and "Governor Blanco's August 27,2005 request for an emergency declaration also included her determination...that 'the incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of disaster."

The full report will be available soon on the House Democrats' Judiciary website.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:27 PM
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25. Just prior to and durikg K; What the Bush doing and not doing
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 06:08 PM
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225.  Bush refuses call from Nagin
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 06:35 PM
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553. no link found on that site.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 12:51 PM
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314. Great summary of the Bush disregard of the danger: He kept playing!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Aftre listing the competent responces, the writer of this e-mail summarises Bush's incompetence as follows:
President: Bush the Lesser

Danger: Category-5 Hurricane Katrina (August 2005)

Area: Gulf Coast


Response: National Guard troops are down about 8,000 members because
they are in Iraq with much of the necessary rescue equipment needed.
Bush was on vacation, riding his bike for two hours the day before the
hurricane lands. On the day Katrina landed, Bush attended a birthday
party for John McCain. The levees began to crack. While emergency
1.5-ton sandbags were ready to be placed to steady the levee and absorb
water, there were insufficient numbers of helicopters and pilots to set
them before the levees break. Nagin, the mayor of NO, pleaded for
federal-level assistance and got none. Bush went to San Diego to play
guitar with a country singer and end his vacation early -- but not
until the next day, because he had tickets to a San Diego Padres game.

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 02:15 PM
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442. Sept 13, what Bush was doing
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-12-05 06:58 PM
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ONE MORE TIME: Bush's Activities Two Weeks Ago While Katrina Ravaged NOLA>

He can't spin this away. Re-posting this in reference to Bush' PC today, posted in another thread, in which he claims he was aware of the gravity of the situation on Monday.

photos and text


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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:29 PM
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26. Just prior to and during K: What top level Bush admins were doing and not
doing..
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 11:04 PM
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496. 9-16- Conflicting accounts from top on Katrina response

Conflicting accounts from top on Katrina response
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N14505805.htm



Conflicting accounts from top on Katrina response


WASHINGTON, Sept 15 (Reuters) - Under fire over the federal response to Hurricane Katrina, the White House and Homeland Security Department have offered conflicting accounts of who was in charge and when the administration first triggered what it promised would be a massive, organized federal response.

U.S. Senate investigators are looking closely at these inconsistencies and what some critics say was general confusion within the administration about what a newly created National Response Plan entailed.

....

In the same memo, Chertoff declared Katrina the first-ever "incident of national significance" -- an announcement touted the next day by the White House as key to setting in motion a carefully choreographed response and recovery effort.

But according to government documents, congressional aides and Homeland Security officials, what first triggered the "incident of national significance" was not Chertoff's memo, but a little-noticed statement issued by the White House on the night of Aug. 27 while President George W. Bush was still vacationing at his Crawford, Texas ranch.

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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:17 PM
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532. 9/18 Where Were the 500 FEMA Busses?
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Gov. Blanco still wants 1question answered: Where were the 500 FEMA buses?

Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 02:33 PM by Sapphire Blue

Blanco says feds pledged buses

By MICHELLE MILLHOLLON
mmillhollon@theadvocate.com
Capitol news bureau

Nearly three weeks after Hurricane Katrina raged ashore, Gov. Kathleen Blanco still wants one question answered.
Where were the buses?

Hours after the hurricane hit Aug. 29, the Federal Emergency Management Agency announced a plan to send 500 commercial buses into New Orleans to rescue thousands of people left stranded on highways, overpasses and in shelters, hospitals and homes.

On the day of the storm, or perhaps the day after, FEMA turned down the state's suggestion to use school buses because they are not air conditioned, Blanco said Friday in an interview.

Even after levees broke and residents were crowding the Louisiana Superdome, then-FEMA Director Mike Brown was bent on using his own buses to evacuate New Orleans, Blanco said.

Continued : http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/091805/new_blanco00...
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:22 PM
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534. 9/18 Rove was in hospital for 24-36 hours; Gov't paralysed
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Sunday Times: Bushs key aide missed Katrina (Rove)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1785729,00...

Bushs key aide missed Katrina

BUSHS brain was missing when flood waters swamped New Orleans. Karl Rove, the White House aide who goes by that unofficial title, was suffering from painful kidney stones and was briefly hospitalised in the middle of the biggest crisis so far of President George W Bushs second term.

Once his condition improved it was Rove who urged the president to open his chequebook for the stricken city, against the advice of White House economists, and spend $200 billion (111 billion) to rebuild it higher and better, as Bush went on to promise.

Although many Republicans are horrified by the cost, Rove is determined to revive Bushs dormant image as a compassionate conservative, the theme of his first presidential campaign in 2000, and will be overseeing the reconstruction effort.

Bill Kristol, editor of the neo-conservative Weekly Standard, said Roves absence had made a significant difference after the hurricane hit. He was out of commission for 24-36 hours and hes indispensable. Its a thin White House and its not a good thing that the government could become paralysed for a day, Kristol said.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 08:34 PM
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550. 9/22 Chertoff Relied on Commercial Weather Instead of Nat'l Hurricane Ctr
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HUGE NEWS... DHS did not use NHC during Katrina!

The Senate Commerce Committee held hearings this afternoon on
Katrina. The House Science Committee will be holding hearing
Wednesday morning (9/21). Sen. Ben Nelson (Florida) asked Max
Mayfield whether it was true that Secretary Chertoff (the head of
homeland security) & Department of Homeland Security (DHS) used
Accuweather for hurricane forecasts of Katrina and he confirmed it.
The National Infrastructure Command Center in DHS prepared
an "overnight summary" for Secretary Chertoff on Katrina that was
based on Accuweather hurricane predictions rather than hurricane
forecast information from the National Hurricane Center. This dates
from when former PA. Governor Ridge was Secretary of homeland
security.

What's even most shocking is that the "NOAA Desk" in the DHS Ops
Center, staffed by a primary & two backup NWS meteorologists, prepared
forecasts for Secretary Chertoff based on the National Hurricane
Center; however, it is unsure that this ever made it to the
Secretary. To make matters worse & even more confusing, FEMA relies
solely on NWS products, which includes those issued by the National
Hurricane Center. So FEMA (which only uses NWS) and the DHS (which
uses Accuweather) are not even looking at the same forecasts! The NWS
NHC's track for Katrina was significantly different & more accurate
than Accuweather's. Just recently, Accuweather's track for Ophelia
brought it across Florida & into the Gulf. In both cases,
Accuweather's forecast was dead wrong. The end result is that the
head of homeland security & DHS & FEMA received conflicting forecasts.

Sen. Bill Nelson also asked Max Mayfield about consolidation and
downsizing of WFOs and Max Mayfield unequivocally said it was a very
bad idea, and that he hopes that it doesn't happen and that the local
WFOs are an essential part of NWS. Senator Nelson also trashed
Accuweather and, without naming Santorum, blasted those who would try
to take NWS off the air and off the internet to help commercial
interests.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:31 PM
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27. Just prior to and durikg K: What FEMA and Homeland Security were
doing and not doing.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:56 PM
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122. MSM last night,-Locals say explosives opened ninth ward levee
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Anyone? MSM last night,-Locals say explosives opened ninth ward levee

authorities admit they had to breach levees, canal walls in spot to alleviate 'areas' , see below
anyone have the program or source? I do not have cable, so it was network news Labor Day night, but the computer is upstairs and was discombobulated from up/ down and all the varying searches on technorati for details on this unnatural disaster. What show was this observation shared? , who was the host?

Here is the work on this aspect, regarding..it wasn't the hurricane, IT Was The Flood. Please take the time to digest, review this it did grow as associative connections and necessary background, perspective developed from the culling of dynamic, interesting and credible input ...flowed & blossomed.

They told network reporter that too much dynamite was used to open the canal floodwall, actually not a true levee, to sluice water from high-rent uptown district.
here is the documentation:
*****
Also heard that part of the reason our house flooded is they dynamited part of the levee after the first section broke - they did this to prevent Uptown (the rich part of town) from being flooded. Apparently they used too much dynamite, thus flooding part of the Bywater.
www.getyouracton.com letter to family and friends @ http://getyouracton.com/blog/?p=63

It is being reported that homes in the Bywater section of New Orleans, the 9th Ward,flooded because they (some government entity) used too much explosive to dynamite part of the levee after the first section broke - they did this to prevent Uptown (the rich part of town) from being inundated with water from the Lake. Who is responsible for flooding so many homes-Katrina, or our government?
http://www.youthinkwhat.com/2005/09/food-for-thought.ht ...

Here is my message:
I am a resident of the Bywater in New Orleans (9th Ward). I am one of the lucky ones that was able to evacuate before the storm.
I have recently managed to speak to some friends stranded in New Orleans. They are starving and dehydrating and there is no news of when they will be receiving food and water. I have spoken to relief efforts and understand that there are plenty of supplies waiting for these people, BUT THEY ARE NOT BEING ALLOWED INTO THE CITY.
http://neworleans.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/3941.php

and as reported by the Guardian Unlimited UK even considering it was not the main focus of the article:

But it is clear from talking to survivors that what happened in New Orleans last week was far more extensive, bloody and terrifying than the authorities have admitted so far.

'We had to wrap dead people in white sheets and throw them outside while the police stood by and did nothing,' said Correll Williams, a 19-year-old meat cutter from the Crowder Road district in the east of the city, who waded two miles through waist-high water to make it to the Convention Centre after hearing on the radio it was being turned into a refuge.

'The police were in boats watching us. They were just laughing at us. Five of them to a boat, not trying to help nobody. Helicopters were riding by just looking at us. They weren't helping. We were pulling people on bits of wood, and the National Guard would come driving by in their empty military trucks.'

Williams only left his apartment after the authorities took the decision to flood his district in an apparent attempt to sluice out some of the water that had submerged a neighbouring district. Like hundreds of others he had heard the news of the decision to flood his district on the radio. The authorities had given people in the district until 5pm on Tuesday to get out - after that they would open the floodgates.

'We thought we could live without electricity for a few weeks because we had food. But then they told us they were opening the floodgates,' said Arineatta Walker, who fled the area with her daughter and two grandchildren.

'So about two o'clock we went on to the streets and we asked the army, "Where can we go?". And they said, "Just take off because there's no one going to come back for you." They kicked my family out of there. If I knew how to hotwire a car I would have,' Walker said.

Once inside the Convention Centre, Walker confronted a new hell. 'People were being raped, there were cries and screams, there were gunshots, but the police did nothing,' Walker said.

from:
'They're not giving us what we need to survive'
Jamie Doward reports on the fury of New Orleans residents who say they were ignored and mistreated by the authorities
Sunday September 4, 2005
The Observer

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,69 ...

levee break in neighborhood 98% black

If New Orleans is rebuilt, it is absolutely certain that the ghettos, housing projects and notorious all-black neighborhoods such as the Lower Ninth Ward (98.3% black) will be wiped clean. Instead, New Orleans will build (with federal money) its usual boondoggle of high-end retail, casinos, luxury condos and maybe one of those new ballparks so beloved by blight-fighting redevelopment councils.

The problem New Orleans city leaders have faced for decades is what to do with the poor blacks. That problem is solved, thanks to the miraculous break of a new hurricane proof levee and the even more miraculous decision by the Army Corps of Engineers to not bother trying to plug the breech, despite public assurances that they would.

Those who didnt drown or die in the aftermath are at this moment being uprooted, sent to uncertain exile in cities up north and neighboring states, where they will most likely resume hard lives with dead-end jobs, terrible schools and (at best) a roof over their head that belongs to a landlord or the government.

The poor black survivors of Katrina are being bussed away with the wet stinking clothes on their backs unless theyre at the Convention Center, where it appears they are being intentionally left to die in full view of the news cameras. They dont own homes, so they have no insurance to rebuild their property. If they had jobs, those jobs are gone the rebuilding jobs will go to out-of-state contractors who own the federal government.
http://franklinavenue.blogspot.com/2005/09/national-tra ...

"Mullen has a schoolteacher's kindly demeanor, so it was jarring to hear him say he suspected that the levee breaks had somehow been engineered to keep the wealthy French Quarter and Garden District dry at the expense of poor black neighborhoods like the Lower Ninth Ward -- a suspicion I heard from many other black survivors. And it was surprising to hear Mullen's gentle voice turn bitter as he described the scene at the convention center, when helicopters bringing food didn't even land and the soldiers 'just pushed the food out like we were in the Third World. That's what made people go off. They just pushed it at us.'"
Monday, September 05, 2005
Third World Scenes @ http://blackgold347.blogspot.com/2005/09/third-world-sc ...
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:02 AM
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160. 8/29 interview with Mike Brown (FEMA)
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 03:03 AM by John Doe II
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:50 AM
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398. 9/11 (orig post 9/5) FEMA Action to REDUCE Volunteer Pool
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Mixed Misdirection from FEMA - again
From: councils@dhs.gov

Subject: Citizen Corps support for response to Hurricane Katrina

To: All State and Local Citizen Corps Councils
Citizen Corps Program Partners and Affiliates
Regional Citizen Corps Program Managers

Thank you all for your compassion and your interest in helping those in need
following the devastation of Hurricane Katrina. To those of you in the
affected area, we send our deepest concern.

At this time, the National Office of Citizen Corps IS NOT conducting a
national call out as was done for the Florida hurricanes last year. Current
activities and plans for next steps are as follows:

FEMA DEPLOYMENTS

* At present, FEMA is deploying ONLY THOSE WHO ALREADY RECEIVED FEMA
SECURITY CLEARANCES AND CREDIT CARDS from their 2004 employment. FEMA has
determined that no recruits can travel or enter into employment without a
satisfactory background investigation. This security check takes
approximately 3 weeks to complete. As such, only recruits hired last year
may be called by FEMA at this time.

* In anticipation of Hurricane Dennis in July 2005, state Citizen
Corps points of contact reviewed and vetted the list of 2700 people who
deployed for the Florida hurricanes in 2004. As a result, 1900 people were
identified as potential recruits for future disasters.

* The FEMA Automated Disaster Deployment (ADD) staff are now calling
ONLY these 1900 pre-identified people to check on their availability for
Hurricane Katrina. NOTE: This means that not everyone who participated in
2004 will be called. If you have any questions about who may be on this
list, please contact your state Citizen Corps point of contact.

* If you receive questions from anyone who was deployed in 2004 or for
Hurricane Dennis, please tell them they SHOULD NOT call the FEMA ADD phone
number or the FEMA Regional Offices. Calling the ADD phone number distracts
operators from the deployment process. Please tell them to simply wait for
their official ADD deployment call and follow instructions. We know this
may be frustrating and it may take awhile for everyone to be contacted, but
THIS IS THE ONLY WAY FOR THEM TO BE DEPLOYED THROUGH FEMA.

THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FROM LAST YEAR'S HURRICANE SEASON -- REDUCING THE POOL OF VOLUNTEERS
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 01:20 PM
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435. 9/13 FEMA operation manual for disaster workers
FEMA USAR Field Operations Guide (FOG), an operation manual for disaster and recovery workers employed by the US government. Link <http://www.fema.gov/pdf/usr/usr_fog_sept_25_2003_color_... > (PDF)
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:32 PM
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28. After K: Bush photo op stories
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:23 PM
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85. Sept 4: Bush tour a 'photo op': Louisiana senator
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/bush-tour-a-photo-op-s...

Bush tour a 'photo op': Louisiana senator
September 4, 2005 - 11:35AM

Louisiana senator Mary Landrieu has branded US President George Bush's visit to New Orleans a mere photo opportunity, and slammed his Government's response to the hurricane tragedy.

Landrieu rebuked Bush for failing to heed her call to name a cabinet-level official to lead the Federal Government response to the one of the worst natural disasters in American history.

"Perhaps the greatest disappointment stands at the breached 17th Street Levee," said Landrieu, a Democrat.

"Touring this critical site yesterday with the President, I saw what I believed to be a real and significant effort to get a handle on a major cause of this catastrophe.

"Flying over this critical spot again this morning, less than 24 hours later, it became apparent that yesterday we witnessed a hastily prepared stage set for a presidential photo opportunity.

"The desperately needed resources we saw were this morning reduced to a single, lonely piece of equipment.

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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:22 PM
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101. The firefighters' FEMA story -- last paragraph.

Just for posterity. Also to note that Keith Olberman mentioned this story on today's broadcast, if video footage of a newscaster saying it is desired.

Front page DU article:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:52 AM
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182. Also discussed in this thread
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:51 AM
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204. Sept2: Bush visit halted 3 tons of food being delivered..(Raw Story)
Times-Picayune

Saturday, September 03, 2005

Bush visit halts food delivery
By Michelle Krupa
Staff writer

Three tons of food ready for delivery by air to refugees in St. Bernard Parish and on Algiers Point sat on the Crescent City Connection bridge Friday afternoon as air traffic was halted because of President Bushs visit to New Orleans, officials said.

The provisions, secured by U.S. Rep. Charlie Melancon, D-Napoleonville, and state Agriculture Commissioner Bob Odom, baked in the afternoon sun as Bush surveyed damage across southeast Louisiana five days after Katrina made landfall as a Category 4 storm, said Melancons chief of staff, Casey OShea.

We had arrangements to airlift food by helicopter to these folks, and now the food is sitting in trucks because they wont let helicopters fly, OShea said Friday afternoon.

The food was expected to be in the hands of storm survivors after the president left the devastated region Friday night, he said.



DU thread on this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:57 AM
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205. Sept2: Bush visit halted 3 tons of food being delivered..(Raw Story)

Times-Picayune

http://www.nola.com/weblogs/print.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Time...

Saturday, September 03, 2005

Bush visit halts food delivery
By Michelle Krupa
Staff writer

Three tons of food ready for delivery by air to refugees in St. Bernard Parish and on Algiers Point sat on the Crescent City Connection bridge Friday afternoon as air traffic was halted because of President Bushs visit to New Orleans, officials said.

The provisions, secured by U.S. Rep. Charlie Melancon, D-Napoleonville, and state Agriculture Commissioner Bob Odom, baked in the afternoon sun as Bush surveyed damage across southeast Louisiana five days after Katrina made landfall as a Category 4 storm, said Melancons chief of staff, Casey OShea.

We had arrangements to airlift food by helicopter to these folks, and now the food is sitting in trucks because they wont let helicopters fly, OShea said Friday afternoon.

The food was expected to be in the hands of storm survivors after the president left the devastated region Friday night, he said.

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 06:03 PM
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278. Sept 4: A Bhush with (laura) Bush in NO (feeding stopped)

http://hal-law.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/4/124532/7736

A Brush with Bush in NO
by Hal Law
Sun Sep 4th, 2005 at 09:45:32 PDT

As you know from the news, it looks like it's worse than anybody could have thought, and so I figured it was time for another update. Lafayette got our first refugees on Wednesday night, even as I was writing my last e-mail, and I spent a good chunk of the night manning a door at the Cajundome as they wheeled stretchers (sometimes occupied) and medical supplies in and out.

The big irony is that I moved to Lafayette in part to get away from refugee work, but with something like this on our doorstep, it's obviously been time to get back in practice, as it has been for nearly everyone else in my town.

I've always been frustrated by America's ability to ignore crises from abroad (such as the ongoing, largely-ignored genocide in Sudan). At the same time, I've always cherished the belief that Americans are fundamentally good people who may be good at shielding themselves from news of other people's problems, but that if they came face-to-face with those problems, they couldn't help but respond.

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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 06:34 AM
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308. Sept 3: Bush faked levee repair for photo op yesterday
But perhaps the greatest disappointment stands at the breached 17th Street levee. Touring this critical site yesterday with the President, I saw what I believed to be a real and significant effort to get a handle on a major cause of this catastrophe. Flying over this critical spot again this morning, less than 24 hours later, it became apparent that yesterday we witnessed a hastily prepared stage set for a Presidential photo opportunity; and the desperately needed resources we saw were this morning reduced to a single, lonely piece of equipment.

http://www.fromtheroots.org/story/2005/9/3/19542/97952

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/09/bush-faked-leve...
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 08:24 PM
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355. 9/10 (orig 9/2) The 2 Black Girls were just visiting Biloxi to shop
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Aaron Brown (CNN) interviewed the two black women hugged...

by the Coward. Based on their accents, I think they were from somewhere in the Caribbean or something. They seemed a little clueless and thought everything was just peachy keen. Turns out they were just visiting Biloxi to do some shopping.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 08:34 PM
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358. 9/10 (orig 9/2) How CNN Rptd Biloxi Photo Op vs. German TV
http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/002485.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Dutch viewer Frank Tiggelaar writes:

There was a striking dicrepancy between the CNN International report on the Bush visit to the New Orleans disaster zone, yesterday, and reports of the same event by German TV.

ZDF News reported that the president's visit was a completely staged event. Their crew witnessed how the open air food distribution point Bush visited in front of the cameras was torn down immediately after the president and the herd of 'news people' had left and that others which were allegedly being set up were abandoned at the same time.

The people in the area were once again left to fend for themselves, said ZDF.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:24 PM
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380. 9/10 (orig 9/4) Photo Ops Blocking Relief
(These stories may be of the same events in momcat's posts, but for good measure :)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Photo-Op Fakery
President's visit was a completely staged event
September 03, 2005

If he could go to Baghdad, why didn't Bush go to the New Orleans Superdome or the Convention Center? It was bizarre for all of the country and much of the world to be watching those scenes for days on our TVs and news reports, and for Bush's photo ops to be in areas that were far less critical. I know there are security considerations but his visit seemed extraordinarily hollow even by this administration's standard of ultra-stage managed events.

Dutch viewer Frank Tiggelaar writes:

There was a striking dicrepancy between the CNN International report on the Bush visit to the New Orleans disaster zone, yesterday, and reports of the same event by German TV.

ZDF News reported that the president's visit was a completely staged event. Their crew witnessed how the open air food distribution point Bush visited in front of the cameras was torn down immediately after the president and the herd of 'news people' had left and that others which were allegedly being set up were abandoned at the same time.

The people in the area were once again left to fend for themselves, said ZDF.

-----------------------

Bush faked levee repair for photo op yesterday
by John in DC - 9/03/2005 06:29:00 PM

From a press release LA Senator Mary Landrieu sent out today:

But perhaps the greatest disappointment stands at the breached 17th Street levee. Touring this critical site yesterday with the President, I saw what I believed to be a real and significant effort to get a handle on a major cause of this catastrophe. Flying over this critical spot again this morning, less than 24 hours later, it became apparent that yesterday we witnessed a hastily prepared stage set for a Presidential photo opportunity; and the desperately needed resources we saw were this morning reduced to a single, lonely piece of equipment. The good and decent people of southeast Louisiana and the Gulf Coast - black and white, rich and poor, young annd old - deserve far better from their national government.

--------------

Bush visit halts food delivery
By Michelle Krupa -- Staff writer
Saturday, September 03, 2005

Three tons of food ready for delivery by air to refugees in St. Bernard Parish and on Algiers Point sat on the Crescent City Connection bridge Friday afternoon as air traffic was halted because of President Bushs visit to New Orleans, officials said.

The provisions, secured by U.S. Rep. Charlie Melancon, D-Napoleonville, and state Agriculture Commissioner Bob Odom, baked in the afternoon sun as Bush surveyed damage across southeast Louisiana five days after Katrina made landfall as a Category 4 storm, said Melancons chief of staff, Casey OShea.

We had arrangements to airlift food by helicopter to these folks, and now the food is sitting in trucks because they wont let helicopters fly, OShea said Friday afternoon.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 10:01 AM
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498. 9/16 Power ON for Bush's speach, DARKNESS 1 hour later
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Brian Williams reports: Power ON for Bush's speach, DARKNESS 1 hour later

Friday morning (power) line
From Brian Williams, NBC News

I am duty-bound to report the talk of the New Orleans warehouse district last night: there was rejoicing (well, there would have been without the curfew, but the few people I saw on the streets were excited) when the power came back on for blocks on end. Kevin Tibbles was positively jubilant on the live update edition of Nightly News that we fed to the West Coast. The mini-mart, long ago cleaned out by looters, was nonetheless bathed in light, including the empty, roped-off gas pumps. The motorcade route through the district was partially lit no more than 30 minutes before POTUS drove through. And yet last night, no more than an hour after the President departed, the lights went out. The entire area was plunged into total darkness again, to audible groans. It's enough to make some of the folks here who witnessed it... jump to certain conclusions.

It is impossible to over-emphasize the extent to which this area is under government occupation, and portions of it under government-enforced lockdown. Police cars rule the streets. They (along with Humvees, ambulances, fire apparatus, FEMA trucks and all official-looking SUVs) are generally not stopped at checkpoints and roadblocks. All other vehicles are subject to long lines and snap judgments and must PROVE they have vital business inside the vast roped-off regions here. If we did not have the services of an off-duty law enforcement officer, we could not do our jobs in the course of a work day and get back in time to put together the broadcast and get on the air. As we are about to do.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8045532 /
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:34 PM
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29. After K: The collapse if the 17th Street Canaland subsequent flooding
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:00 AM
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187. Sept 4: Mayor blasts failure to patch levee breaches
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/31/katrina.levees /

Mayor blasts failure to patch levee breaches

Sunday, September 4, 2005; Posted: 10:21 a.m. EDT (14:21 GMT)
NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- A day after Hurricane Katrina dealt a devastating blow to the Big Easy, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin on Tuesday night blasted what he called a lack of coordination in relief efforts for setting behind the city's recovery.

"There is way too many fricking ... cooks in the kitchen," Nagin said in a phone interview with WAPT-TV in Jackson, Mississippi, fuming over what he said were scuttled plans to plug a 200-yard breach near the 17th Street Canal, allowing Lake Pontchartrain to spill into the central business district.

An earlier breach occurred along the Industrial Canal in the city's Lower 9th Ward. ( Watch the video featuring Nagin's complaints about delayed sandbagging -- 0:56 )

The rising flood waters overwhelmed pumping stations that would normally keep the city dry. About 80 percent of the city was flooded with water up to 20 feet deep after the two levees collapsed.

The Army Corps of Engineers is working to repair the levee breaches, the agency said Tuesday, but it gave no timetable for repairs. (See the video of water surging into the saturated city -- 1:53 )

The Corps has workers assessing damage at the two locations. The National Guard, Coast Guard and state and federal agencies are working with the agency to speed the process, it reported.


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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:52 AM
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302. Aug 30: Water rising at 17th St. canal
Tuesday, 6:30 p.m.

Mayor Ray Nagin has announced that the attempt to plug a breach in the
17th Street canal at the Hammond Highway bridge has failed and the
rising water is about to overwhelm the pumps on that canal.
The result is that water will begin rising rapidly again, and could
reach as high as 3 feet above sea level. In New Orleans and Jefferson
Parish, that means floodwaters could rise as high as 15 feet in the next few hours.
Nagin urged residents to try to find higher ground as soon as possible.

http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 04:21 PM
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552. 9-23: The flooding returns to the 9th ward
Water flows over New Orleans levee
Corps of Engineers: 9th Ward under 3-4 feet of water, again

Friday, September 23, 2005; Posted: 4:38 p.m. EDT (20:38 GMT)

A National Guard officer surveys a flooded neighborhood in New Orlean's 9th Ward on Friday.
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Manage Alerts | What Is This? NEW ORLEANS (CNN) -- A storm surge from Hurricane Rita topped a damaged section of a New Orleans levee Friday, leaving the city's Lower 9th Ward immersed in floodwater as deep as 4 feet, a general who toured the area by boat said.

"It's spreading rapidly down to the south-southeast, so they're going to have complete flooding in that area again," Maj. Gen. Bill Caldwell told CNN. Caldwell, commander of the Army's 82nd Airborne Division, said floodwater had spread across 30 to 40 city blocks.

The low-lying but now empty neighborhood was devastated last month by Hurricane Katrina.

At a news conference a half hour after Caldwell spoke, Dan Hitchings of the Army Corps of Engineers Mississippi Valley Division said the water level was not rising any further in the 9th Ward, and that some gauge readings indicated the water level had dropped 18 inches.

The 8-foot storm surge flowed across a 2-foot-high temporary barricade of sandbags and compacted stone, soil and gravel the corps used to plug a breach in the Industrial Canal levee caused by Hurricane Katrina, Hitchings said. (Watch video of broken levee in New Orleans -- 3:52)

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:35 PM
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30. Just prior to and during K... The evaccuation declarations and efforts
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 03:51 PM
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264. 9/9: Report from Aug. 28 Shows Nagin Ordered Busses to Be Used
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... :

Buses were used to pick up people at 12 locations - Prior to storm

Sunday, August 28, 2005

Around 112,000 Orleanians do not own cars, according to census data. Nagin urged those people to seek rides with friends, family, neighbors and church members. Those who could not find rides were urged to get to the Superdome as quickly as possible.

Regional Transit Authority buses were scheduled to ferry people to the dome from 12 locations around the city beginning at noon today.

Meantime, to make sure word of the mandatory evacuation gets out, Nagin said that police and fire crews would be driving through neighborhoods Sunday with bullhorns, directing people to leave.

The evacuation order contained exemptions for certain people, including city, state and federal officials, inmates of the parish prison, those in hospitals, tourists staying in hotels and members of the media.

An emergency order Nagin announced Sunday in declaring the mandatory evacuation gives authorities the right to commandeer private buildings and vehicles including boats as they see fit.

The mayor did not say which buildings might be seized for public use. For the time being, the Superdome will be used as a shelter of last resort for those unable to evacuate the city. If the dome fills to capacity, other buildings could be appropriated, Nagin said.

Nagin said the domes availability to residents doesnt mean that going there is a good idea.

http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlo...
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 08:30 PM
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357. 9/10 (orig 9/2) N.O. Told Poor You're on Your Own Getting Out
Raw: July 2005 article reveals New Orleans told poor: 'You're on your own'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/July_2005_article_reveals ...

A July 24, 2005 article in the New Orleans Times Picayune (not available online) reveals just how unprepared officials were for a hurricane, especially as it affected the city's poor, RAW STORY has learned. The first sentence alone reveals how little support the city expected to have for the poor in the event of a disaster, saying, "City, state and federal emergency officials are preparing to give the poorest of New Orleans' poor a historically blunt message: In the event of a major hurricane, you're on your own."

The article was first discovered in a detailed piece by the Philadelphia Daily News' Will Bunch.

The local Red Cross executive director was quoted as saying, "You're responsible for your safety, and you should be responsible for the person next to you. If you have some room to get that person out of town, the Red Cross will have a space for that person outside the area. We can help you. But we don't have the transportation."

In scripted appearances being recorded now, officials such as Mayor Ray Nagin, local Red Cross Executive Director Kay Wilkins and City Council President Oliver Thomas drive home the word that the city does not have the resources to move out of harm's way an estimated 134,000 people without transportation...

According to story this was put on DVD's and was to be distributed to pastors and community leaders before hurricane season in September - whoops.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:15 PM
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531. 9/18 Blanco Still Waiting to Know: Where Were the 500 FEMA Busses?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Gov. Blanco still wants 1question answered: Where were the 500 FEMA buses?

Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 02:33 PM by Sapphire Blue

Blanco says feds pledged buses

By MICHELLE MILLHOLLON
mmillhollon@theadvocate.com
Capitol news bureau

Nearly three weeks after Hurricane Katrina raged ashore, Gov. Kathleen Blanco still wants one question answered.
Where were the buses?

Hours after the hurricane hit Aug. 29, the Federal Emergency Management Agency announced a plan to send 500 commercial buses into New Orleans to rescue thousands of people left stranded on highways, overpasses and in shelters, hospitals and homes.

On the day of the storm, or perhaps the day after, FEMA turned down the state's suggestion to use school buses because they are not air conditioned, Blanco said Friday in an interview.

Even after levees broke and residents were crowding the Louisiana Superdome, then-FEMA Director Mike Brown was bent on using his own buses to evacuate New Orleans, Blanco said.

Continued : http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/091805/new_blanco00...
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:37 PM
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31. Just prior to and during K: The people who could not get out
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:41 PM
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32. After K: Delays in military deployment, Eventual deployment
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:43 PM
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33. Pre K: Superdome: Refuge of last resort
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 12:34 PM
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254. Preparations for use of Superdome 3 days food for 15,000 brought to
dome.
http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlo...

26,000 shelter at Superdome

About 26,000 New Orleans residents sought refuge from Hurricane Katrina at the Superdome, which authorities describe as the "shelter of last resort," Lt. Gov. Mitch Landrieu said late Sunday. To help keep them fed and hydrated, the Louisiana National Guard delivered three truckloads of water and seven truckloads of MREs short for "meals ready to eat." That's enough to supply 15,000 people for three days, according to Col. Jay Mayeaux, deputy director of the Department of Homeland Security's Office of Emergency Preparedness.

Outside the New Orleans area, the Louisiana Red Cross has opened 45 emergency shelters that were serving about 3,000 evacuees as of late Sunday, said Victor Howell, who heads the Red Cross of the Louisiana Capital Area.

Once Hurricane Katrina passes through, the Red Cross is prepared to deploy 750 employees and volunteers from Louisiana, plus an additional 2,000 from around the country. If the damage from Katrina is as great as authorities fear, Howell said he expects it to be the single largest hurricane relief effort ever undertaken by the American Red Cross.

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. During K: Superdome - conditions inside and out
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:47 PM
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35. After K: Superdome: Conditions become intolerable
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:49 PM
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36. After K: Superdome..Evaccuation stalled
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:43 PM
Response to Reply #36
62. Sept 2: Geraldo at the dome
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
See second post for vid at Crooks and Liers
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #36
269. Sept 3: Guardsmen Halt Evacuation at Superdome
Guardsmen Halt Evacuation at Superdome

Saturday September 3, 2005 8:46 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-525...

AP Photo LADM136

By MARY FOSTER

Associated Press Writer

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - National Guard members halted the evacuation of the Superdome early Saturday after buses transporting the refugees of Hurricane Katrina stopped rolling. About 2,000 people remained in the stadium and could be there until Sunday, according to the Texas Air National Guard. They had hoped to evacuate the last of the crowd before dawn Saturday.

Guard members said they were told only that the buses had stopped coming and to close down the area where the buses were loaded.

``We were rolling,'' Capt. Jean Clark said. ``If the buses had kept coming, we would have this whole place cleaned out already or pretty close to it.''

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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 02:47 AM
Response to Reply #35
152. Baby lived and died in Superdom :
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #35
375. 9/10 (orig 9/4) Evacuees on Superdome Horrors During Final Days
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4213214.stm
Survivors Reveal Superdome horror

The bedraggled crowds may have left the Superdome, but the dead remain where they fell.
Tired, hungry and traumatised by days spent under the damaged roof of a once-gleaming football stadium, the refugees of New Orleans have spoken of a nightmarish week living among the crazed and the desperate.
Stories of rape, murder and suicide have emerged.
Medical teams delivered babies in filthy conditions, with human faeces never far away and fresh water in short supply. At least three were reported to have died.
Amid the filth and the crime, some snapped.
"One guy jumped off a balcony," said Charles Womack, a 30-year-old roofer who was beaten and injured during his time at the Superdome.
"I saw him do it. He was talking to a lady about it. He said it reminded him of the war and he couldn't leave."
Deadly night-time
Fear ratcheted up the tension, with disturbing reports of mistaken identity emerging from the chaos. Police and national guardsmen were accused of killing innocent people.
"They killed a man here last night," Steve Banka, 28, told the Reuters news agency before he left on Sunday.

"A young lady was being raped and stabbed.
"And the sounds of her screaming got to this man and so he ran out into the street to get help from troops, to try to flag down a passing truck of them.
"He jumped up on the truck's windscreen and they shot him dead," Mr Banka said.
Another man died in mysterious circumstances on Friday as a police car passed the New Orleans Convention Center, where equally squalid conditions forced many to sleep outside among streets full of rubbish.
More than 24 hours later, his body, like so many others, had not been moved.
"Right where he fell," Larry Martin told the Los Angeles Times. "Like roadkill."
On Saturday morning Africa Brumfield, 32, sat with relatives near the corpse of a young man in streets around the convention centre.
He had died on Friday night as he walked in the street.
"There is rapes going on here. Women cannot go to the bathroom without men. They are raping them and slitting their throats," she told Reuters.
Rotting
Inside the Superdome, a National Guard soldier charged with keeping order confirmed the brutal reality of life after Katrina.
"We found a young girl raped and killed in the bathroom. Then the crowd got the man and they beat him to death."

As Saturday ebbed past, an endless fleet of yellow school buses offered the dispossessed a passage out of their nightmares.
"It's been a long time coming," Derek Dabon, 29, said as he queued for a security check.
Hillary Snowton, 40, sat with a white sheet wrapped around his face to shield himself from the smell of a dead body that lay, untouched, just metres away.
He had watched the body lie there for the past four days, decomposing in the sultry Louisiana climate.
He didn't see the point in moving away from the corpse, he told the Associated Press.
"It stinks everywhere."
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #32
115. Military Angry...Bush should have been giving orders
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Military is mad...Bush was on vacation & should have been giving orders!!!

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/5167.html

Northern Command isn't happy
Posted 12:14 pm | Printer Friendly

Because Northern Command oversees all active-duty military operations inside the United States, it's also responsible for organizing the relief operations on the Gulf Coast. There are early indications, however, that NorthCom officials aren't entirely pleased with the orders they've received of late from the president.

There's an interesting BBC World News report (brought to my attention by my friend Darrell) in which NorthCom Lt. Commander Sean Kelly explained the military's efforts which, in addition to military support, include distribution of medical supplies, search and rescue operations, distributing food and water, and meeting transportation needs. (Note: the server hosting the video seems to be overwhelmed. This is a direct .mpg link, which is also slow right now, but keep trying.)

When the BBC noted the criticism of the government's slow response, Lt. Commander Kelly explained that NorthCom was ready to go well in advance of Katrina making landfall, but suggested the president didn't make the right call at the right time.

"Northcom started planning before the storm even hit. We were ready when it hit Florida, because, as you remember, it hit the bottom part of Florida, and then we were planning once it was pointed towards the Gulf Coast.

"So, what we did, we activated what we call 'defense coordinating officers' to work with the states to say, 'OK, what do you think you will need?' And we set up staging bases that could be started.

"We had the USS Bataan sailing almost behind the hurricane so once the hurricane made landfall, its search and rescue helicopters could be available almost immediately So, we had things ready.

"The only caveat is: we have to wait until the president authorizes us to do so. The laws of the United States say that the military can't just act in this fashion; we have to wait for the president to give us permission."
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #115
369. 9/10 (orig 9/3) See also these from CNN and BBC:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
I found it: Northern Command waiting for Orders!! Adm. Keating on CNN

I actually saw this and finally found it at the Salon.com War Room!!!!
As of 3:14 PM on August 31 (Wed) Northern Commmand was still waiting for orders!!!!! from the Gov of LA and BUSH.

Which gets us into that whole mess of what did Blanco request...saw a Dem rep on Nightline last night getting crapped on by Koppel about how someone "didn't ask." This Congressman (a man, starts with an M?) said the proper procedures had been followed...he was thoroughly exasperated...

Permalink <15:14 EDT, August 31, 2005
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html?blog=... [br />Google cache
http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:yhyzZk9QeT0J:www.s...

Bush is back

The cable networks have just carried a live feed of Air Force One landing at Andrews Air Force Base. The president strode smartly down the steps of plane, saluting a couple of military officers with one hand while holding his Scottish terrier in the other.
The commander in chief is back in command, and not a minute too soon. The mayor of New Orleans just said that the death toll in his city is "minimum, hundreds," and "mostly likely, thousands." He said that there are a "significant number of dead bodies in the water," and that New Orleans will not be "functional" for a matter of months.
What will the president do now that he's back in Washington? He'll give a televised speech from the White House at 5 p.m., and he may contemplate sending active-duty U.S. soldiers to New Orleans to help stop looting there. Appearing on CNN, Adm. Timothy Keating, the chief of the U.S. Northern Command, said he's awaiting a request from the governor of Louisiana and an order from the president of the United States.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
(BBC Report)- "Northern Command WAITED on GREEN LIGHT from Bush" !!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Here is the thread that discusses the BBC report interviewing a Lieutenant at Northcom.
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A: Now I'm sure you're aware of the criticism that the authorities have been slow to respond to this. When did you get the order to start relief work?

K: NorthCom started planning before the storm even hit. We were ready for the storm when it hit Florida because, as you remember, it crossed the bottom part of Florida, and then we were plaining, you know, once it was pointed towards the Gulf Coast. So what we did was we activated what we call defense coordinating officers to work with the state to say okay, what do you think you'll need, and we set up staging bases that could be started. We had the USS Baton sailing almost behind the hurricane so that after the hurricane made landfall it's search and rescue helicopters would be available almost immediately. So we had things ready. The only caveat is, we have to wait until the President authorizes us to do so. The laws of the United States say that the military can't just act in this fashion, we have to wait for the President to give us permission.

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They COULD NOT go in without Bush's approval.

So either Bush screwed up -- or he waited.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #32
326. Officials: Guard Deployment Hurt Response
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Eugene (831 posts) Fri Sep-09-05 06:06 PM
Original message

Officials: Guard Deployment Hurt Response

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-526...


Officials: Guard Deployment Hurt Response


Friday September 9, 2005 6:31 PM

By ROBERT BURNS

Associated Press Writer

BAY ST. LOUIS, Miss. (AP) - The deployment of thousands of National
Guard troops from Mississippi and Louisiana in Iraq when Hurricane
Katrina struck hindered those states' initial storm response, military
and civilian officials said Friday.

Lt. Gen. Steven Blum, chief of the National Guard Bureau, said that
"arguably" a day or so of response time was lost due to the absence
of the Mississippi National Guard's 155th Infantry Brigade and
Louisiana's 256th Infantry Brigade, each with thousands of troops
in Iraq.

Blum said that to replace those units' command and control equipment,
he dispatched personnel from Guard division headquarters from Kansas
and Minnesota shortly after the storm struck.

Rep. Gene Taylor, D-Miss., whose waterfront home here was washed away
in the storm, told reporters that the absence of the deployed
Mississippi Guard units made it harder for local officials to
coordinate their initial response.

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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #32
338. 9/10 (from post 9/3?) "As a vet, I can't BELIEVE the lack of response!!!
From http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... :

As an Air Force Vet, I CANNOT believe the lack of response!!!

An old C-130 Hercules can airdrop loads up to 42,000 pounds or use its high-flotation landing gear to land and deliver cargo on rough, dirt strips. Load and flight prep, LESS than 2 hours. It can fly 1200+ miles at about 350 mph!!!

Reservists could do it . . . IF THEY WEREN'T IN IRAQ!!!!!!!!!
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 08:16 PM
Response to Reply #32
350. 9/10 (orig 9/2) National Guard Delay (no approval by WH til Thurs!) Likely
National Guard Delay (no approval by WH til Thurs!) Likely to Be Examined
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
See also http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/katrina_national_guard

WASHINGTON - Several states ready and willing to send National Guard troops to the rescue in hurricane-ravaged New Orleans didn't get the go-ahead until days after the storm struck a delay nearly certain to be investigated by Congress.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson offered Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco help from his state's National Guard on Sunday, the day before Hurricane Katrina hit Louisiana. Blanco accepted, but paperwork needed to get the troops en route didn't come from Washington until late Thursday.

California troops just began arriving in Louisiana on Friday, three days after flood waters devastated New Orleans and chaos broke out.

In fact, when New Orleans' levees gave way to deadly flooding on Tuesday, Louisiana's National Guard had received help from troops in only three other states: Ohio, which had nine people in Louisiana then; Oklahoma, 89; and Texas, 625, figures provided by the National Guard show.

<snip>

With many states' Guard units depleted by deployments to Iraq, Katrina's aftermath was almost certain from the beginning to require help from faraway states.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #32
379. 9/10 (orig 9/4) Video and Transcript of Local Officials Begging for Help
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
WATCH THIS NOW !! PLEASE!!

Jefferson Parrish President sobbing on Meet The Press - one week after the hurricane - "We have been abandoned by our own country...the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina will go down as one of the worst abandonments of Americans on American soil ever in U.S. history...Nobody's coming to get us. Nobody's coming to get us. The secretary has promised. Everybody's promised. They've had press conferences. I'm sick of the press conferences. For God sakes, shut up and send us somebody."

Video of MTP interview Jefferson Parrish President

http://s30.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=39D44TQZEXE632ASCA2E...

http://s28.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0PW4XZFWSF1D71GFBBTG... (same)

MR. BROUSSARD: ...that have worked 24/7. They're burned out, the doctors, the nurses. And I want to give you one last story and I'll shut up and let you tell me whatever you want to tell me. The guy who runs this building I'm in, emergency management, he's responsible for everything. His mother was trapped in St. Bernard nursing home and every day she called him and said, "Are you coming, son? Is somebody coming?" And he said, "Yeah, Mama, somebody's coming to get you. Somebody's coming to get you on Tuesday. Somebody's coming to get you on Wednesday. Somebody's coming to get you on Thursday. Somebody's coming to get you on Friday." And she drowned Friday night. She drowned Friday night.

MR. RUSSERT: Mr. President...

MR. BROUSSARD: Nobody's coming to get us. Nobody's coming to get us. The secretary has promised. Everybody's promised. They've had press conferences. I'm sick of the press conferences. For God sakes, shut up and send us somebody.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #32
393. 9/11 (orig post 9/5) Northern Command Was Waiting for Bush Orders
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
On BBC: Northern Command was in position, waiting for Presidential orders.

This was on the episode of BBC World News which played on a local (Philadelphia area) PBS station at 6:00 am this morning. I can't find a stream or transcript online. It's sitting on my TIVO right now marked do not delete but I have no way to put it onto my hard drive and no place to serve it from anyway. If you do have a recording of it, it starts about 9 minutes in. I've done a hand written transcript, the spelling and punctuation are mine. The bolding is also mine to emphasize what I think is the important part. The BBC announcer was interviewing Lieutenant Commander Sean Kelly whom she referred to as Leftenant Commander. This is the entire interview with no missing context.

Announcer: The relief operation is the largest ever conducted in America. It's being coordinated by the US Northern Command in Colorado. Leftenant Commander Sean Kelly explains how the relief effort is being organized.

Kelly: US Northern Command is the command that coordinates the military support for our federal and state agencies. They call up and request a capability and we try and provide that capability, whether it's medical resources, search and rescue helicopters, food, water, transportation, communications; that's what we provide.

A: So it sounds like you're providing a bit of everything. I mean, do you know how much you're actually providing?

K: Right now we've got 4,000 soldiers, sailors, airmen and marine and coast guardsmen supporting this. They've delivered more than 9 million meals, I can't remember how many millions of liters of water.

A: 9 million meals? Do you actually have 9 million meals?

K: It's those "meals ready to eat". The packaged meals that the Army takes out with them out in the field. We have 9 million of 'em ready. I know at least 100,000 went to the Superdome the other night to help the people out there in New Orleans. So they're staged at various places throughout Mississippi, Alabama, and Louisiana.

A: Now I'm sure you're aware of the criticism that the authorities have been slow to respond to this. When did you get the order to start relief work?

K: NorthCom started planning before the storm even hit. We were ready for the storm when it hit Florida because, as you remember, it crossed the bottom part of Florida, and then we were plaining, you know, once it was pointed towards the Gulf Coast. So what we did was we activated what we call defense coordinating officers to work with the state to say okay, what do you think you'll need, and we set up staging bases that could be started. We had the USS Baton sailing almost behind the hurricane so that after the hurricane made landfall it's search and rescue helicopters would be available almost immediately. So we had things ready. The only caveat is, we have to wait until the President authorizes us to do so. The laws of the United States say that the military can't just act in this fashion, we have to wait for the President to give us permission.

A: Now I gather that your engineers are also involved in pumping some of that flood water out of the areas.

K: Yes, our military personnel are helping to reconstruct the levees which frees up the engineers to start pumping out the waters so that hopefully New Orleans can be high and dry soon enough.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:50 PM
Response to Original message
37. After K: Media hyping violence and "looting"
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #37
69. Consequences: people stuck on overpass.
This thread touches on just about everything, but specifically to this point it says:



As we approached the bridge, armed Gretna sheriffs formed a line across the foot of the bridge. Before we were close enough to speak, they began firing their weapons over our heads. This sent the crowd fleeing in various directions. As the crowd scattered and dissipated, a few of us inched forward and managed to engage some of the sheriffs in conversation. We told them of our conversation with the police commander and of the commander's assurances. The sheriffs informed us there were no buses waiting. The commander had lied to us to get us to move.

We questioned why we couldn't cross the bridge anyway, especially as there was little traffic on the 6-lane highway. They responded that the West Bank was not going to become New Orleans and there would be no Superdomes in their City. These were code words for if you are poor and black, you are not crossing the Mississippi River and you were not getting out of New Orleans.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #69
70. Racial bias: European/affluent tourists "looted" too (same article)

We have yet to see any of the TV coverage or look at a newspaper. We are willing to guess that there were no video images or front-page pictures of European or affluent white tourists looting the Walgreen's in the French Quarter.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 02:17 AM
Response to Reply #37
147. Denial of shooting at helicopters buried in the same report
Report is ominously titled:Evacuation Disrupted by Gunshot Report
Superdome Evacuation Disrupted by Report of Gunshot Fired at Military Helicopter; No Injuries Reported
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1087205

BUT later in the same article is this:

Laura Brown, a Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman in Washington, said she had no such report.

"We're controlling every single aircraft in that airspace and none of them reported being fired on," she said, adding that the FAA was in contact with the military as well as civilian aircraft.

Clear case of hyping gunshots that cannot be proven.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #37
344. 9/10 (orig 9/2) Per FAA, not ONE plane reported being shot at
Planes Did NOT Report Being Shot At
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1087205

Laura Brown, a Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman in
Washington, said she had no such report.

"We're controlling every single aircraft in that airspace and none of
them reported being fired on," she said, adding that the FAA was in
contact with the military as well as civilian aircraft.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #37
354. 9/10 (orig 9/2) Troops Entering N.O. Find LACK of Violence
Met by Despair, Not Violence
As they begin to patrol the chaotic city, troops are surprised by what they don't find.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-tr ...

The truck lurched through the streets, past buildings burning unabated and MPs in gun turrets. When they stopped to gear up for their arrival at the New Orleans Convention Center, where more than 15,000 people had been living in squalor since Katrina, these words echoed for the first time, one would imagine through the intersection of Poydras Avenue and Carondelet Street: "Lock and load!"

"Sixteen in the clip!" one Guardsman shouted, a common refrain used to indicate that rifles are fully loaded.

But when they arrived, they did not find marauding mobs. They did not come under fire. They found people who had lost everything in the storm and, since then, their dignity.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:52 PM
Response to Original message
38. After K: Succesful rescue efforts
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #38
50. Privately organized planes evacuated hospitals
http://www.algore.org/index.php?option=com_content&task... :

Gore at NOLA: The Fastercures Airlift From New Orleans
Wednesday, 07 September 2005
From TMP Cafe
by Greg Simon, President FasterCures

On September 3rd and 4th, FasterCures worked with a small dedicated group of people to airlift approximately 270 medical patients and evacuees from the New Orleans airport to hospitals and shelters in Knoxville and Chattanooga, Tennessee. This is the story of how it happened.

On Thursday, September 1st, my friend Jill Chozen of San Francisco called to ask if I could put someone in touch with Al Gore. Dr. David Kline, the father in law of Jills friend Denise Kline, was stranded in Charity hospital in New Orleans. The situation was dire and becoming worse by the minute food and water running out, no power, four feet of water surrounding the hospital and alligators eating corpses outside. David is a neurosurgeon and needed to take his patients out of the hospital as soon as possible. David asked Denise to find Al Gore for help because David knew Gore from operating on Gores son after a life threatening auto accident nearly 16 years ago.

I emailed Gore with Denise Klines number after speaking to Jill and got an answer immediately. Gore had phoned David in the hospital several times and ascertained that he was now on the way to an Apache Helicopter landing site with his patients. Things were looking up.

The next day, Friday September 2nd, I heard an NPR story that things were getting worse at Charity hospital they were actually taking in more patients because the other nearby hospital Tulanewas closed. When I arrived at work, I knew what we had to do we had to evacuate medical patients from Charity to safety.

(much more at link above)
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #38
58. Navy Pilots Who Rescued Victims Are Reprimanded
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... :

Navy Pilots Who Rescued Victims Are Reprimanded
Want to make sure you got this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...
NYT: Navy Pilots Who Rescued Victims Are Reprimanded

By DAVID S. CLOUD
Published: September 7, 2005

PENSACOLA, Fla., Sept. 6 - Two Navy helicopter pilots and their crews returned from New Orleans on Aug. 30 expecting to be greeted as lifesavers after ferrying more than 100 hurricane victims to safety.

Instead, their superiors chided the pilots, Lt. David Shand and Lt. Matt Udkow, at a meeting the next morning for rescuing civilians when their assignment that day had been to deliver food and water to military installations along the Gulf Coast.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #38
63. College student in 2wd Hyundai evacuates 7 people from convention center.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #38
66. The first Renegade bus
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #66
273. More about Jabbar Gibson and the borowed bus
http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/2005/09/jailed-for-sa...

Friday, September 02, 2005


Jailed for saving lives
The link is to the video from the television story, followed by the transcript.


Taking refuge in the AstrodomeThursday, September 01, 2005 Updated: 07:55 PM

HOUSTON -- NEWSCHANNEL 5 crews were in Houston as some desperate refugees arrive in a stolen bus.


Save lives without permission-go to jail

This came in over e-mail

In Massachusetts We'd Call This Yankee Ingenuity


A friend on a lawyer listserve sent me this story. This kid is definitely getting a pro bono lawyer. He found an abandoned bus in New Orleans, packed it with survivors, and drove it to the Astrodome. The reaction of the officials? They're going to charge him with theft. Unbelievable.

This kid is a hero. They should give him a medal. He evacuated 100 people faster than FEMA.


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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:38 PM
Response to Reply #38
111. 09/06: Sports illustrated article
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 11:44 PM by skids
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:28 PM
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381. 9/10 (orig 9/4) Gibson May Face Arrest After Bus Escape
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
kid that saved a bus load of people is now in jail for stealing bus
http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/2005/09/jailed-for-sa...

In Massachusetts We'd Call This Yankee Ingenuity

A friend on a lawyer listserve sent me this story. This kid is definitely getting a pro bono lawyer. He found an abandoned bus in New Orleans, packed it with survivors, and drove it to the Astrodome. The reaction of the officials? They're going to charge him with theft. Unbelievable.

This kid is a hero. They should give him a medal. He evacuated 100 people faster than FEMA.

The link is to the video from the television story, followed by the transcript.

Taking refuge in the AstrodomeThursday, September 01, 2005 Updated: 07:55 PM

HOUSTON -- NEWSCHANNEL 5 crews were in Houston as some desperate refugees arrive in a stolen bus.

HOUSTON -- Thousands of refugees of Hurricane Katrina were transported to the Astrodome in Houston this week. In an extreme act of looting, one group actually stole a bus to escape ravaged areas in Louisiana.

About 100 people packed into the stolen bus. They were the first to enter the Houston Astrodome, but they weren't exactly welcomed.

The big yellow school bus wasn't expected or approved to pass through the stadium's gates. Randy Nathan, who was on the bus, said they were desperate to get out of town.

"If it werent for him right there," he said, "we'd still be in New Orleans underwater. He got the bus for us."

Eighteen-year-old Jabbor Gibson jumped aboard the bus as it sat abandoned on a street in New Orleans and took control.

"I just took the bus and drove all the way here...seven hours straight,' Gibson admitted. "I hadn't ever drove a bus."

The teen packed it full of complete strangers and drove to Houston. He beat thousands of evacuees slated to arrive there.

"It's better than being in New Orleans," said fellow passenger Albert McClaud, "we want to be somewhere where we're safe."

During a long and impatient delay, children popped their heads out of bus windows and mothers clutched their babies.

One 8-day-old infant spent the first days of his life surrounded by chaos. He's one of the many who are homeless and hungry.

Authorities eventually allowed the renegade passengers inside the dome.

But the 18-year-old who ensured their safety could find himself in a world of trouble for stealing the school bus.

"I dont care if I get blamed for it ," Gibson said, "as long as I saved my people."

Sixty legally chartered buses were expected to arrive in Houston throughout the night. Thousands of people will be calling the Astrodome "home," at least for now.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 12:18 AM
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430. 9/12 Will Pitt's Girlfriend's Ex-Boyfriend from Krypton
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-12-05 09:29 PM
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THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD

The woman I am currently dating used to be with this guy named Steve a long time ago, they were from the same Massachusetts town, and they have remained good friends. From what she has told me in the past, he sounds like a great guy. He is a super-townie with oak clusters, a 'yah-dood' in the purest sense of the word, a great guy.

One story she tells is of him buying a $2,000 engagement ring for his girlfriend, finding out she had been sleeping around on him, so he called the whole thing off. He went down to a bridge over a river to chuck the ring into the river, and saw this young woman coming with two babies in a carriage and a third on her arm. He gave her the ring instead, told her what it was worth and that she should pawn it. So he's that kind of guy, just a big hearted sheet-metal worker who never left the town he grew up in, not political, just a solid citizen.

Well, my girlfriend just got back from hanging out with him tonight, and she tells me this MIND-BLOWING story. It seems Steve is crazy about this girl who was originally from New Jersey, but recently moved to New Orleans for a job. The storm hit, he couldn't reach her, her parents couldn't reach her, and he is worried sick.

Fuck it, he says, I'm going. Last Sunday he told his boss he was headed down, his boss busted him two paychecks, and off he went. Got down to the WORST DISASTER AREA IN THE COUNTRY and just started looking for this girl he is in love with.

He goes from shelter to shelter, looking for her. Wades through disgusting water, past bodies, gets this fungus growing on his feet, and keeps looking. Meets an Iraq vet in one shelter who was paralyzed from the waist down, and who had just lost his whole family to the storm.

Got his hands on a flat-bottom boat and starts rowing his ass all through the city, going from shelter to shelter looking for her. Along the way he keeps finding people and bringing them to safety. Once day he passed a house and heard a baby crying, and went in. He saw a baby crying on the floor with two people sitting above it, asked, "Are you OK? I have a boat, want to come?" The two people were dead. He saved the baby.

After several days of searching shelters, rowing past bodies and helping anyone he could along the way, HE FOUND THE GIRL HE IS IN LOVE WITH in one shelter. She flips out, and he says we are getting out of here. No, no, she says, we can't go, they are shooting out there, it is the Wild West. Hell with that, he says, and they go. They get out of the city and up to Baton Rouge, get a hotel, and she finally calls her parents to say she is OK. They get a plane home the next day. Needless to say, she now thinks Steve wears a cape and is from Krypton. Frankly, so do I.

So tonight, my girlfriend gets together with him and says, "Boy, have I had a hard week." He says, "Me, too," like the Mr. Humble he is. He'd just gotten back yesterday. Ordinary hero.

I am going to meet up with this guy in a few days and get his whole story; apparently, there are many more details. But he found her. He fucking found her. He went down there and found her.

The last thing I said to my girlfriend was, "So, when are you dumping me for him?"
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:53 PM
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39. After K: blocked rescue efforts (other than FEMA which is posted above)
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:05 PM
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75. After K: Blocked Escape Efforts
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:09 PM
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77. Trapped medical workers in NOLA
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... (EDITED) :

Trapped EMS workers in NOLA have their say:
First By the Floods, Then By Martial Law Trapped in New Orleans
http://www.counterpunch.org/bradshaw09062005.html
By LARRY BRADSHAW and LORRIE BETH SLONSKY

LARRY BRADSHAW and LORRIE BETH SLONSKY are emergency medical services
(EMS) workers from San Francisco and contributors to Socialist Worker.
They were attending an EMS conference in New Orleans when Hurricane
Katrina struck. They spent most of the next week trapped by the
flooding--and the martial law cordon around the city.

What . . . we witnessed, were the real heroes and sheroes of the hurricane relief
effort: the working class of New Orleans.

The maintenance workers who used a forklift to carry the sick and
disabled. The engineers who rigged, nurtured and kept the generators
running. The electricians who improvised thick extension cords
stretching over blocks to share the little electricity we had in order
to free cars stuck on rooftop parking lots. Nurses who took over for
mechanical ventilators and spent many hours on end manually forcing air
into the lungs of unconscious patients to keep them alive. Doormen who
rescued folks stuck in elevators. Refinery workers who broke into boat
yards, "stealing" boats to rescue their neighbors clinging to their
roofs in flood waters. Mechanics who helped hotwire any car that could
be found to ferry people out of the city. And the food service workers
who scoured the commercial kitchens, improvising communal meals for
hundreds of those stranded.

Most of these workers had lost their homes and had not heard from
members of their families. Yet they stayed and provided the only
infrastructure for the 20 percent of New Orleans that was not under
water.

* * *

ON DAY Two, there were approximately 500 of us left in the hotels in
the French Quarter. We were a mix of foreign tourists, conference
attendees like ourselves and locals who had checked into hotels for
safety and shelter from Katrina.

Some of us had cell phone contact with family and friends outside of
New Orleans. We were repeatedly told that all sorts of resources,
including the National Guard and scores of buses, were pouring into the
city. The buses and the other resources must have been invisible,
because none of us had seen them.

We decided we had to save ourselves. So we pooled our money and came up
with $25,000 to have ten buses come and take us out of the city. Those
who didn't have the requisite $45 each were subsidized by those who did
have extra money.

We waited for 48 hours for the buses, spending the last 12 hours
standing outside, sharing the limited water, food and clothes we had.
We created a priority boarding area for the sick, elderly and newborn
babies. We waited late into the night for the "imminent" arrival of the
buses. The buses never arrived. We later learned that the minute they
arrived at the city limits, they were commandeered by the military.

By Day Four, our hotels had run out of fuel and water. Sanitation was
dangerously bad. As the desperation and despair increased, street crime
as well as water levels began to rise. The hotels turned us out and
locked their doors, telling us that "officials" had told us to report
to the convention center to wait for more buses. As we entered the
center of the city, we finally encountered the National Guard.

The guard members told us we wouldn't be allowed into the Superdome, as
the city's primary shelter had descended into a humanitarian and health
hellhole. They further told us that the city's only other shelter--the
convention center--was also descending into chaos and squalor, and that
the police weren't allowing anyone else in.

Quite naturally, we asked, "If we can't go to the only two shelters in
the city, what was our alternative?" The guards told us that this was
our problem--and no, they didn't have extra water to give to us. This
would be the start of our numerous encounters with callous and hostile
"law enforcement."

WE WALKED to the police command center at Harrah's on Canal Street and
were told the same thing--that we were on our own, and no, they didn't
have water to give us. We now numbered several hundred.

We held a mass meeting to decide a course of action. We agreed to camp
outside the police command post. We would be plainly visible to the
media and constitute a highly visible embarrassment to city officials.
The police told us that we couldn't stay. Regardless, we began to
settle in and set up camp.

In short order, the police commander came across the street to address
our group. He told us he had a solution: we should walk to the
Pontchartrain Expressway and cross the greater New Orleans Bridge to
the south side of the Mississippi, where the police had buses lined up
to take us out of the city.

The crowd cheered and began to move. We called everyone back and
explained to the commander that there had been lots of misinformation,
so was he sure that there were buses waiting for us. The commander
turned to the crowd and stated emphatically, "I swear to you that the
buses are there."

We organized ourselves, and the 200 of us set off for the bridge with
great excitement and hope. As we marched past the convention center,
many locals saw our determined and optimistic group, and asked where we
were headed. We told them about the great news.

As we approached the bridge, armed sheriffs formed a line across the
foot of the bridge. Before we were close enough to speak, they began
firing their weapons over our heads. This sent the crowd fleeing in
various directions.

As the crowd scattered and dissipated, a few of us inched forward and
managed to engage some of the sheriffs in conversation. We told them of
our conversation with the police commander and the commander's
assurances. The sheriffs informed us that there were no buses waiting.
The commander had lied to us to get us to move.

We questioned why we couldn't cross the bridge anyway, especially as
there was little traffic on the six-lane highway. They responded that
the West Bank was not going to become New Orleans, and there would be
no Superdomes in their city. These were code words for: if you are poor
and Black, you are not crossing the Mississippi River, and you are not
getting out of New Orleans.

OUR SMALL group retreated back down Highway 90 to seek shelter from the
rain under an overpass. We debated our options and, in the end, decided
to build an encampment in the middle of the Ponchartrain Expressway--on
the center divide, between the O'Keefe and Tchoupitoulas exits. We
reasoned that we would be visible to everyone, we would have some
security being on an elevated freeway, and we could wait and watch for
the arrival of the yet-to-be-seen buses.

All day long, we saw other families, individuals and groups make the
same trip up the incline in an attempt to cross the bridge, only to be
turned away--some chased away with gunfire, others simply told no,
others verbally berated and humiliated. Thousands of New Orleaners were
prevented and prohibited from self-evacuating the city on foot.

Meanwhile, the only two city shelters sank further into squalor and
disrepair. The only way across the bridge was by vehicle. We saw
workers stealing trucks, buses, moving vans, semi-trucks and any car
that could be hotwired. All were packed with people trying to escape
the misery that New Orleans had become.

Our little encampment began to blossom. Someone stole a water delivery
truck and brought it up to us. Let's hear it for looting! A mile or so
down the freeway, an Army truck lost a couple of pallets of C-rations
on a tight turn. We ferried the food back to our camp in shopping
carts.

Now--secure with these two necessities, food and water--cooperation,
community and creativity flowered. We organized a clean-up and hung
garbage bags from the rebar poles. We made beds from wood pallets and
cardboard. We designated a storm drain as the bathroom, and the kids
built an elaborate enclosure for privacy out of plastic, broken
umbrellas and other scraps. We even organized a food-recycling system
where individuals could swap out parts of C-rations (applesauce for
babies and candies for kids!).

This was something we saw repeatedly in the aftermath of Katrina. When
individuals had to fight to find food or water, it meant looking out
for yourself. You had to do whatever it took to find water for your
kids or food for your parents. But when these basic needs were met,
people began to look out for each other, working together and
constructing a community.

If the relief organizations had saturated the city with food and water
in the first two or three days, the desperation, frustration and
ugliness would not have set in.

Flush with the necessities, we offered food and water to passing
families and individuals. Many decided to stay and join us. Our
encampment grew to 80 or 90 people.

From a woman with a battery-powered radio, we learned that the media
was talking about us. Up in full view on the freeway, every relief and
news organizations saw us on their way into the city. Officials were
being asked what they were going to do about all those families living
up on the freeway. The officials responded that they were going to take
care of us. Some of us got a sinking feeling. "Taking care of us" had
an ominous tone to it.

Unfortunately, our sinking feeling (along with the sinking city) was
accurate. Just as dusk set in, a sheriff showed up, jumped out of his
patrol vehicle, aimed his gun at our faces and screamed, "Get off the
fucking freeway." A helicopter arrived and used the wind from its
blades to blow away our flimsy structures. As we retreated, the sheriff
loaded up his truck with our food and water.

Once again, at gunpoint, we were forced off the freeway. All the law
enforcement agencies appeared threatened when we congregated into
groups of 20 or more. In every congregation of "victims," they saw
"mob" or "riot." We felt safety in numbers. Our "we must stay together"
attitude was impossible because the agencies would force us into small
atomized groups.

In the pandemonium of having our camp raided and destroyed, we
scattered once again. Reduced to a small group of eight people, in the
dark, we sought refuge in an abandoned school bus, under the freeway on
Cilo Street. We were hiding from possible criminal elements, but
equally and definitely, we were hiding from the police and sheriffs
with their martial law, curfew and shoot-to-kill policies.

The next day, our group of eight walked most of the day, made contact
with the New Orleans Fire Department and were eventually airlifted out
by an urban search-and-rescue team.

We were dropped off near the airport and managed to catch a ride with
the National Guard. The two young guardsmen apologized for the limited
response of the Louisiana guards. They explained that a large section
of their unit was in Iraq and that meant they were shorthanded and were
unable to complete all the tasks they were assigned.

WE ARRIVED at the airport on the day a massive airlift had begun. The
airport had become another Superdome. We eight were caught in a press
of humanity as flights were delayed for several hours while George Bush
landed briefly at the airport for a photo op. After being evacuated on
a Coast Guard cargo plane, we arrived in San Antonio, Texas.

There, the humiliation and dehumanization of the official relief effort
continued. We were placed on buses and driven to a large field where we
were forced to sit for hours and hours. Some of the buses didn't have
air conditioners. In the dark, hundreds of us were forced to share two
filthy overflowing porta-potties. Those who managed to make it out with
any possessions (often a few belongings in tattered plastic bags) were
subjected to two different dog-sniffing searches.

Most of us had not eaten all day because our C-rations had been
confiscated at the airport--because the rations set off the metal
detectors. Yet no food had been provided to the men, women, children,
elderly and disabled, as we sat for hours waiting to be "medically
screened" to make sure we weren't carrying any communicable diseases.

This official treatment was in sharp contrast to the warm, heartfelt
reception given to us by ordinary Texans. We saw one airline worker
give her shoes to someone who was barefoot. Strangers on the street
offered us money and toiletries with words of welcome.

Throughout, the official relief effort was callous, inept and racist.
There was more suffering than need be. Lives were lost that did not
need to be lost.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:13 AM
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128. Deliberate containment of evacuees in New Orleans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
A First Hand Account - Why So Few Katrina Survivors Got Out.
Edited on Tue Sep-06-05 03:34 PM by leveymg

Within hours after the savage winds of Katrina subsided, the westward expressway out of New Orleans was blocked-off by armed sheriffs of suburban Gretna County who barred everyone trying to flee the city by vehicle and on foot. After four to five days, federal officials finally began to move evacuees out of the two designated downtown shelters on buses and on military flights. Those who were fortunate enough to reach Houston waited for hours at airfields and in parking lots while everyone was checked for communicable diseases.

The hell of the survivors was prolonged for days by a deliberate containment policy concocted by local officials who could think of nothing but to surround New Orleans with armed guards and wait for the Army to arrive. After troops came in, evacuation was further delayed as evacuees were examined for signs of infections. The fear of race and germs probably killed more people than the rush of waters that broke through the city's outdated, inadequate storm walls.

In addition to criminal bungling of disaster efforts, it appears that there was a de facto quarantine of New Orleans. The federal search and rescue and evacuation operations were apparently tied up for 3 or 4 days. Meanwhile, CDC waited to see if there was a contagious disease outbreak. Little effort was taken during that time to get adequate water or food to thousands of people clustered visibly in large groups on highway access ramps.

The stories of wild anarchy and armed looters was largely an overblown, racist cover story. The mass media again allowed itself to be used to spread lies concocted by the White House. The American people were being prepared for the possibility that federal troops would be ordered to enforce a quarantine, and the remaining population of New Orleans rebelled after learning Washington had decided that Katrina's survivors wouldn't be let out of the doomed city. - Mark

AND another long but detailed account at http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/6/132725/8931 , noting, "if you are poor and black, you are not crossing the Mississippi River and you were not getting out of New Orleans".
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 02:31 AM
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148. evaccues fired upon to keep then out of a white area:First person account
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impeachdubya (1000+ posts) Tue Sep-06-05 06:28 AM
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INCREDIBLE First Person Katrina Account
(My wife just got this from a friend, it was written by the friend's co-workers who were in New Orleans for a Conference. I am 100% convinced it is credible. I have removed the names for obvious reasons. Unbelievable. -i.)


Hurricane Katrina-Our Experiences

Two days after Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans, the Walgreens store at the corner of Royal and Iberville streets remained locked. The dairy display case was clearly visible through the widows. It was now 48 hours without electricity, running water, plumbing. The milk, yogurt, and cheeses were beginning to spoil in the 90-degree heat. The owners and managers had locked up the food, water, pampers, and prescriptions and fled the City. Outside Walgreens windows, residents and tourists grew increasingly thirsty and hungry.

The much-promised federal, state and local aid never materialized and the windows at Walgreens gave way to the looters. There was an alternative. The cops could have broken one small window and distributed the nuts, fruit juices, and bottle water in an organized and systematic manner. But they did not. Instead they spent hours playing cat and mouse, temporarily chasing away the looters.

snip:

As we approached the bridge, armed Gretna sheriffs formed a line across the foot of the bridge. Before we were close enough to speak, they began firing their weapons over our heads. This sent the crowd fleeing in various directions. As the crowd scattered and dissipated, a few of us inched forward and managed to engage some of the sheriffs in conversation. We told them of our conversation with the police commander and of the commanders assurances. The sheriffs informed us there were no buses waiting. The commander had lied to us to get us to move.

We questioned why we couldnt cross the bridge anyway, especially as there was little traffic on the 6-lane highway. They responded that the West Bank was not going to become New Orleans and there would be no Superdomes in their City. These were code words for if you are poor and black, you are not crossing the Mississippi River and you were not getting out of New Orleans.


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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 06:26 AM
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305. Sept 3: Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:14 PM
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214. Guardian: people could get in...Why couldn't the people leave,?
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 12:19 PM by mom cat
http://www.guardian.co.uk/katrina/story/0,16441,1561996...

'It reminds me of Baghdad in the worst of times'

Julian Borger in New Orleans
Saturday September 3, 2005

Inside the centre, no one could understand why they were being treated in this way. "If you can drive in like that, how come they can't come and get us?" Henry Carr, a 38-year-old furniture salesman, said.

Everyone was frantic to know whether the buses would turn up. For days, they had been told to stay in the centre so they could be picked up, but the promised transport had failed to materialise. Buses had arrived for the people trapped at the Louisiana Superdome stadium, a mile to the north, but it seemed the convention centre, a lesser landmark, had been forgotten. The latest rumour was that the buses would come later that afternoon, but that would already be too late for up to a dozen people who had died waiting.

Two of the bodies had been dumped by an employees' entrance. They were both old and frail women. One had died in her wheelchair; a blanket had been thrown over her face. The other woman had been wrapped in a sheet.

A man walked past the bodies dragging a pallet loaded with big bottles of ginger ale, some plates and a frying pan. To the rest of America watching the tragedy unfold on their televisions, he was one of the looters, denounced by President Bush.

But to the people inside the convention centre, he was one of a band of heroes keeping them alive. "The people who were going into the stores would give us water and food, said Edna Harris, Henry Carr's aunt. "There would be ladies with babies and they had no milk, and these guys would break in and bring them milk."

Kyle Turner, a 28-year-old dishwasher
ttp://www.guardian.co.uk/katrina/story/0,16441,1561996,00.htm...
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 02:01 PM
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258. 9/9 Cops Nearby Admit They Blocked Survivors from Leaving N.O.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... :
UPI: Cops Trapped Survivors in New Orleans
More on the story about why so few got out of New Orleans after Katrina.

Cops trapped survivors in New Orleans
http://www.washtimes.com/upi/20050908-112433-4907r.htm

By Shaun Waterman
UPI Homeland and National Security Editor
Sep. 9, 2005 at 10:48AM

Police from surrounding jurisdictions shut down several access points to one of the only ways out of New Orleans last week, effectively trapping victims of Hurricane Katrina in the flooded and devastated city.

An eyewitness account from two San Francisco paramedics posted on an internet site for Emergency Medical Services specialists says, "Thousands of New Orleaners were prevented and prohibited from self-evacuating the city on foot."

"We shut down the bridge," Arthur Lawson, chief of the City of Gretna Police Department, confirmed to United Press International, adding that his jurisdiction had been "a closed and secure location" since before the storm hit.

"All our people had evacuated and we locked the city down," he said.
The bridge in question -- the Crescent City Connection -- is the major artery heading west out of New Orleans across the Mississippi River.

Lawson said that once the storm itself had passed Monday, police from Gretna City, Jefferson Parrish and the Louisiana State Crescent City Connection Police Department closed to foot traffic the three access points to the bridge closest to the West Bank of the river.

He added that the small town, which he called "a bedroom community" for the city of New Orleans, would have been overwhelmed by the influx.

"There was no food, water or shelter" in Gretna City, Lawson said. "We did not have the wherewithal to deal with these people.

"If we had opened the bridge, our city would have looked like New Orleans does now: looted, burned and pillaged."

But -- in an example of the chaos that continued to beset survivors of the storm long after it had passed -- even as Lawson's men were closing the bridge, authorities in New Orleans were telling people that it was only way out of the city.

"The only way people can leave the city of New Orleans is to get on (the) Crescent City Connection ... authorities said," reads a Tuesday morning posting on the Web site of the New Orleans Times-Picayune newspaper, which kept reporting through the storm and the ruinous flooding that followed.

Similar announcements appeared on the Web site of local radio station WDSU and other local news sources.

"Evidently, someone on the ground (in New Orleans) was telling people there was transport here, or food or shelter," said Lawson. "There wasn't."
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Police Trapped Thousands in New Orleans
http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench/news/2748

As the situation grew steadily worse in New Orleans last week, you might have wondered why people didn't just leave on foot. The Louisiana Superdome is less than two miles from a bridge that leads over the Mississippi River out of the city.

The answer: Any crowd that tried to do so was met by suburban police, some of whom fired guns to disperse the group and seized their water.

Around 500 people stuck in downtown New Orleans after the storm banded together for self-preservation, making sure the oldest and youngest among them were taken care of before looking after their own needs.

Two San Francisco paramedics who were staying in the French Quarter for a convention have written a first-hand account that describes their appalling treatment at the hands of Louisiana police, a story confirmed today by the San Francisco Chronicle, UPI, and St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

When buses charted by the group to escape New Orleans never showed up, they camped out beside a police command center on Canal Street, believing it was the best place to get aid, protection, and information. They were told they could not stay there and should leave the city on foot over Highway 90, which crosses the Mississippi River from New Orleans to the suburb of Gretna, a city of 17,500 people.

Running out of food and water, they walked to the bridge, growing in number to around 800 people as word spread of a safe way out:

As we approached the bridge, armed Gretna sheriffs formed a line across the foot of the bridge. Before we were close enough to speak, they began firing their weapons over our heads. This sent the crowd fleeing in various directions. As the crowd scattered and dissipated, a few of us inched forward and managed to engage some of the sheriffs in conversation. We told them of our conversation with the police commander and of the commander's assurances. The sheriffs informed us there were no buses waiting. The commander had lied to us to get us to move.

We questioned why we couldn't cross the bridge anyway, especially as there was little traffic on the 6-lane highway. They responded that the West Bank was not going to become New Orleans and there would be no Superdomes in their City.

In an interview with UPI, Gretna Police Chief Arthur Lawson confirmed that his department shut down the bridge to pedestrians: "If we had opened the bridge, our city would have looked like New Orleans does now: looted, burned and pillaged."

The increasingly desperate group set up camp on the New Orleans side of the bridge, where they were seen by several media outlets, until they were chased off at gunpoint by Gretna police:

Reduced to a small group of 8 people, in the dark, we sought refuge in an abandoned school bus, under the freeway on Cilo Street. We were hiding from possible criminal elements but equally and definitely, we were hiding from the police and sheriffs with their martial law, curfew and shoot-to-kill policies.

The paramedics believe that race played a factor in the decision to block evacuees on foot. Gretna's population is 56 percent white and 36 percent black, according to the 2000 U.S. Census.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 11:01 PM
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300. an account from News Orleans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
flyingfysh (452 posts) Fri Sep-09-05 11:50 PM
Original message

an account from News Orleans

I got this by email from family members, it had been relayed through several people. I have no way to contact the people who originally wrote it, so I removed the names.

Two days after Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans, the Walgreen's store at the corner of Royal and Iberville streets remained locked. The dairy display case was clearly visible through the widows. It was now 48 hours without electricity, running water, plumbing. The milk, yogurt, and cheeses were beginning to spoil in the 90-degree heat. The owners and managers had locked up the food, water, pampers, and prescriptions and fled the City. Outside Walgreen's windows, residents and tourists grew increasingly thirsty and hungry.

The much-promised federal, state and local aid never materialized and the windows at Walgreen's gave way to the looters. There was an alternative. The cops could have broken one small window and distributed the nuts, fruit juices, and bottle water in an organized and systematic manner. But they did not. Instead they spent hours playing cat and mouse, temporarily chasing away the looters.

We were finally airlifted out of New Orleans two days ago and arrived home yesterday (Saturday). We have yet to see any of the TV coverage or look at a newspaper. We are willing to guess that there were no video images or front-page pictures of European or affluent white tourists looting the Walgreen's in the French Quarter.

We also suspect the media will have been inundated with "hero" images of the National Guard, the troops and the police struggling to help the "victims" of the Hurricane. What you will not see, but what we witnessed, were the real heroes and sheroes of the hurricane relief effort: the working class of New Orleans. The maintenance workers who used a fork liftto carry the sick and disabled. The engineers, who rigged, nurtured andkept the generators running. The electricians who improvised thick extension cords stretching over blocks to share the little electricity we had in order to free cars stuck on rooftop parking lots. Nurses who took over for mechanical ventilators and spent many hours on end manually forcing air into the lungs of unconscious patients to keep them alive. Doormen who rescued folks stuck in elevators.

Refinery workers who broke into boat yards, "stealing" boats to rescue their neighbors clinging to their roofs in flood waters. Mechanics who helped hot-wire any car that could be found to ferry people out of the City. And the food service workers who scoured the commercial kitchens improvising communal meals for hundreds of those stranded. Most of these workers had lost their homes, and had not heard from members of their families, yet they stayed and provided the only infrastructure for the 20% of New Orleans that was not under water.

On Day 2, there were approximately 500 of us left in the hotels in the French Quarter. We were a mix of foreign tourists, conference attendees like ourselves, and locals who had checked into hotels for safety and shelter from Katrina. Some of us had cell phone contact with family and friends outside of New Orleans. We were repeatedly told that all sorts of resources including the National Guard and scores of buses were pouring in to the City. The buses and the other resources must have been invisible because none of us had seen them.

We decided we had to save ourselves. So we pooled our money and came up with $25,000 to have ten buses come and take us out of the City. Those who did not have the requisite $45.00 for a ticket were subsidized by those who did have extra money. We waited for 48 hours for the buses, spending the last 12 hours standing outside, sharing the limited water, food, and clothes we had. We created a priority boarding area for the sick, elderly and new born babies. We waited late into the night for the "imminent" arrival of the buses. The buses never arrived. We later learned that the minute the arrived at the City limits, they were commandeered by the military.

By day 4 our hotels had run out of fuel and water. Sanitation was
dangerously abysmal. As the desperation and despair increased, street
crime as well as water levels began to rise. The hotels turned us out and locked their doors, telling us that the "officials" told us to report to the convention center to wait for more buses. As we entered the center of the City, we finally encountered the National Guard. The Guards told us we would not be allowed into the Superdome as the City's primary shelter had descended into a humanitarian and health hellhole. The guards further told us that the City's only other shelter, the Convention Center, was also descending into chaos and squalor and that the police were not allowinganyone else in. Quite naturally, we asked, "If we can't go to the only 2 shelters in the City, what was our alternative?" The guards told us that that was our problem, and no they did not have extra water to give to us.
This would be the start of our numerous encounters with callous and
hostile "law enforcement".

We walked to the police command center at Harrah's on Canal Street and were told the same thing, that we were on our own, and no they did not have water to give us. We now numbered several hundred. We held a mass meeting to decide a course of action. We agreed to camp outside the police command post. We would be plainly visible to the media and would constitute a highly visible embarrassment to the City officials. The police told us that we could not stay. Regardless, we began to settle in and set up camp. In short order, the police commander came across the street to address our group. He told us he had a solution: we should walk to the Pontchartrain Expressway and cross the greater New Orleans Bridge where the police had buses lined up to take us out of the City. The crowd cheered and began to move. We called everyone back and explained to the commander that there had been lots of misinformation and wrong information and was he sure that there were buses waiting for us. The commander turned to the crowd and stated emphatically, "I swear to you that the buses are there."

We organized ourselves and the 200 of us set off for the bridge with great excitement and hope. As we marched past the convention center, many locals saw our determined and optimistic group and asked where we were headed. We told them about the great news. Families immediately grabbed their few belongings and quickly our numbers doubled and then doubled again. Babies in strollers now joined us, people using crutches, elderly clasping walkers and others people in wheelchairs. We marched the 2-3 miles to the freeway and up the steep incline to the Bridge. It now began to pour down rain, but it did not dampen our enthusiasm.

As we approached the bridge, armed Gretna sheriffs formed a line across the foot of the bridge. Before we were close enough to speak, they began firing their weapons over our heads. This sent the crowd fleeing in various directions. As the crowd scattered and dissipated, a few of us inched forward and managed to engage some of the sheriffs in conversation. We told them of our conversation with the police commander and of the commander's assurances. The sheriffs informed us there were no buses waiting. The commander had lied to us to get us to move.

We questioned why we couldn't cross the bridge anyway, especially as there was little traffic on the 6-lane highway. They responded that the West Bank was not going to become New Orleans and there would be no Superdomesin their City. These were code words for if you are poor and black, you are not crossing the Mississippi River and you were not getting out of New Orleans.

Our small group retreated back down Highway 90 to seek shelter from the rain under an overpass. We debated our options and in the end decided to build an encampment in the middle of the Ponchartrain Expressway on the center divide, between the O'Keefe and Tchoupitoulas exits. We reasoned we would be visible to everyone, we would have some security being on an elevated freeway and we could wait and watch for the arrival of the yet to be seen buses.

All day long, we saw other families, individuals and groups make the same trip up the incline in an attempt to cross the bridge, only to be turned away. Some chased away with gunfire, others simply told no, others to be verbally berated and humiliated. Thousands of New Orleaners were prevented and prohibited from self-evacuating the City on foot.

Meanwhile, the only two City shelters sank further into squalor and
disrepair. The only way across the bridge was by vehicle. We saw workers stealing trucks, buses, moving vans, semi-trucks and any car that could be hotwired. All were packed with people trying to escape the misery New Orleans had become.

Our little encampment began to blossom. Someone stole a water delivery truck and brought it up to us. Let's hear it for looting! A mile or so down the freeway, an army truck lost a couple of pallets of C-rations on a tight turn. We ferried the food back to our camp in shopping carts. Now secure with the two necessities, food and water; cooperation, community, and creativity flowered. We organized a clean up and hung garbage bags from the rebar poles. We made beds from wood pallets and cardboard. We designated a storm drain as the bathroom and the kids built an elaborate enclosure for privacy out of plastic, broken umbrellas, and other scraps. We even organized a food recycling system where individuals could swap out parts of C-rations (applesauce for babies and candies for kids!).

This was a process we saw repeatedly in the aftermath of Katrina. When individuals had to fight to find food or water, it meant looking out for yourself only. You had to do whatever it took to find water for your kids or food for your parents. When these basic needs were met, people began to look out for each other, working together and constructing a community.

If the relief organizations had saturated the City with food and water in the first 2 or 3 days, the desperation, the frustration and the ugliness would not have set in. Flush with the necessities, we offered food andwater to passing families and individuals. Many decided to stay and join us. Our encampment grew to 80 or 90 people. From a woman with a battery powered radio we learned that the media was talking about us. Up in full view on the freeway, every relief and news organizations saw us on their way into the City. Officials were being asked what they were going to do about all those families living up on the freeway? The officials responded they were going to take care of us. Some of us got a sinking feeling. "Taking care of us" had an ominous tone to it.

Unfortunately, our sinking feeling (along with the sinking City) was
correct. Just as dusk set in, a Gretna Sheriff showed up, jumped out of his patrol vehicle, aimed his gun at our faces, screaming, "Get off the fucking freeway". A helicopter arrived and used the wind from its blades to blow away our flimsy structures. As we retreated, the sheriff loaded up his truck with our food and water. Once again, at gunpoint, we were forced off the freeway. All the law enforcement agencies appeared threatened when we congregated or congealed into groups of 20 or more. In every congregation of "victims" they saw "mob" or "riot". We felt safety in numbers. Our "we must stay together" was impossible because the agencies would force us into small atomized groups.

In the pandemonium of having our camp raided and destroyed, we scattered once again. Reduced to a small group of 8 people, in the dark, we sought refuge in an abandoned school bus, under the freeway on Cilo Street. We were hiding from possible criminal elements but equally and definitely, we were hiding from the police and sheriffs with their martial law, curfew and shoot-to-kill policies.

The next days, our group of 8 walked most of the day, made contact with New Orleans Fire Department and were eventually airlifted out by an urban search and rescue team. We were dropped off near the airport and managed to catch a ride with the National Guard. The two young guardsmen apologized for the limited response of the Louisiana guards. They explained that a large section of their unit was in Iraq and that meant they were shorthanded and were unable to complete all the tasks they were assigned.

We arrived at the airport on the day a massive airlift had begun. The
airport had become another Superdome. We 8 were caught in a press of
humanity as flights were delayed for several hours while George Bush
landed briefly at the airport for a photo op. After being evacuated on a coast guard cargo plane, we arrived in San Antonio, Texas.

There the humiliation and dehumanization of the official relief effort continued. We were placed on buses and driven to a large field where wewere forced to sit for hours and hours. Some of the buses did not have air-conditioners. In the dark, hundreds if us were forced to share two filthy overflowing porta-potties. Those who managed to make it out with any possessions (often a few belongings in tattered plastic bags) we were subjected to two different dog-sniffing searches.

Most of us had not eaten all day because our C-rations had been
confiscated at the airport because the rations set off the metal
detectors. Yet, no food had been provided to the men, women, children, elderly, disabled as they sat for hours waiting to be "medically screened" to make sure we were not carrying any communicable diseases.

This official treatment was in sharp contrast to the warm, heart-felt
reception given to us by the ordinary Texans. We saw one airline worker give her shoes to someone who was barefoot. Strangers on the street offered us money and toiletries with words of welcome. Throughout, the official relief effort was callous, inept, and racist. There was more suffering than need be. Lives were lost that did not need to be lost.

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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #75
349. 9/10 (orig 9/2) First Hand Account -- Escape Blocked by Police
First Hand Account of Status as of 9/2 a.m.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
ress=104x4581617 :

Hi Everyone

Matt is home safe and sound. Larry, Matt and Michael were flown home by
Jay this evening. What they told me is so much worse than we are all
imagining.

The reason that the boys left the hotel this morning to try to walk to
safety instead of waiting to be rescued is because they were told they
had to leave the hotel by the afternoon and head toward the Dome (they
said that they were NOT going to do that) and their lives were at stake
as the looters were in their hotel.

They decided that if they didn't try to make it to the highway (knowing
Larry was trying to reach them there) they would not survive where they
were. They heard gunshots every 30 minutes. They packed their suitcases
with essentials (all of the food and water that they had collected and
saved) and used sheets to tie around them to form a backpack. They
walked in the water, trying to avoid all of the debris and dead things
(they were told not to look at dead people) for several blocks until
they got to the highway.

They managed to get over the bridge where the police told them they had
to go back. When the boys tried to stay, the police pulled their
shotguns on them. Finally, a utility truck pulled up and took them back
over the bridge where they proceeded to walk toward Baton Rouge. They
tried to flag down anyone who passed them in a vehicle begging for a
ride but nobody would stop. Finally, a man in a pickup truck stopped and
agreed to take them to BR. All 9 of them crammed into the bed of the
pickup with their bags.

They got to BR where Matt filled the man's truck up with gas for him and
they paid the man money for the ride. They were able to call and tell us
where they were and I called Larry...his phone would not always work and
the boys had a difficult time getting in touch with him so we would have
to wait until Larry called me for the update.

If it hadn't been for Michael's phone having the ability to text message
(his was the only one) and them knowing that Larry was there trying to
reach them, they would not have known what to do or where to go. They
felt they had to try to reach Larry and if it weren't for Jim finding
out the roads and directions they needed to head for, they would not
have made it.

Now that I have said all of this, Larry and Matt have said that if they
did not get out today like they did, they probably would not have made
it out. People were looting the hospitals for the drugs and food. They
were killing people for the clothes, food, water or anything else that
they could use to barter. People were getting their throats slit for
their cars.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:46 AM
Response to Reply #39
186. Sept 2: Message from a Louisianna relief worker-PLEASE READ!!
http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=534069&forumSt...

Message from a Louisianna relief worker-PLEASE READ!!
replyPosted: Sep 02 @ 10:58 AM
by: susanblue (86 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 28, 2004
This is from a friend who lives in central LA, and has volunteered as relief worker. She lives a very small town, but they have taken on hundreds of refugees. It's long, but if you want to get an idea of how people in the surrounding area & victims themselves are feeling; it's a good read....

My thanks to all of you who have sent words of encouragement.....PRAYERS.......(really need those big time) and thanks too for the additional offers for assistance. I wasn't going to bother y'all with another email from here - but apparently some of you sharing them (which is fine) (there are lots of desperate people needing to be heard in general terms.) Since y'all are fielding questions on our behalf I'll take a stab at answering the ones you have sent to me. But remember please that my experience is just one voice in a very remote rural area. You have a better idea than I do, likely as not, what is going on statewide. I don't get all that much outside news here.

The state of Louisiana is in one of two worlds.

There is the situation that y'all are seeing on TV.

more
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:42 AM
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200. Aug 31: Flotilla of rescue boats turned back
http://www.thedeadpelican.com/lawyer.htm

snip
A group of approximately 1,000 citizens pulling 500 boats left the Acadiana Mall in Lafayette this morning (Weds.) and headed to New Orleans with a police escort from the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Department. The "flotillia" of trucks pulling boats stretched over five miles. This citizen rescue group was organized by La. State Senator, Gautreaux from Vermilion Parish. The group was comprised of experienced boaters, licensed fishermen and hunters, people who have spent their entire adult life and teenage years on the waterways of Louisiana.
snip.
A group of approximately 1,000 citizens pulling 500 boats left the Acadiana Mall in Lafayette this morning (Weds.) and headed to New Orleans with a police escort from the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Department. The "flotillia" of trucks pulling boats stretched over five miles. This citizen rescue group was organized by La. State Senator, Gautreaux from Vermilion Parish. The group was comprised of experienced boaters, licensed fishermen and hunters, people who have spent their entire adult life and teenage years on the waterways of Louisiana.

The State Police waved the flotillia of trucks/boats through the barricades in LaPlace and we sped into New Orleans via I-10 until past the airport and near the Clearview exit. At that time we were stopped by agents of the La. Dept. of Wildlife & Fisheries. A young DWF agent strolled through the boats and told approximately half of the citizens that their boats were "too large" because the water had "dropped during the night" and that they should turn around and go home.

We were pulling a large (24ft) shallow draft aluminum boat that can safely carry 12 passengers and had ramp access which would allow the elderly and infirm to have easier access to the boat. We politely informed the DWF agent that the local and national media had consistently reported that the water level had "risen" during the night which contradicted his statement to us that the water "was dropping" and no boat over 16ft. in length would be allowed to participate in rescue operations.

more....

DU post regarding this article: Sept2:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 06:32 AM
Response to Reply #39
307. Sept 3: 200 evacuees turned back by National Guard
Dressed in his work boots and jeans, Thomas said that a busload of New Orleans evacuees, about 200, were stopped by National Guardsmen in Baton Rouge on Saturday and told they could not get off.

http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlo...
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #39
378. 9/10 (orig 9/4) Blogged Report from Charity Hospital
(Not sure whether lack of rescue was due to FEMA or others)

http://www.transbuddha.com/index.php/buddha/comments/a_... /
A Note from Charity Hospital in New Orleans
by killdozr <http://www.transbuddha.com/index.php/member/174/ >

I have a friend who managed to escape the city of New Orleans a couple of days after the storm. She is on staff at Charity Hospital, which you have no doubt heard about in the news by now.

She sent this correspondence because she thinks the plight of Charity Hospital, which makes its reputation by healing the poor and uninsured of the city, is being overlooked by the national media, which (of course) is bent on sensationalizing everything in lieu of ratings. This is a short, but powerful blog entry she sent me.

Hi all.
Just so you know, Im out of New Orleans, fine and in Nashville until further notice.

I am writing to get the word out. As most of you know, I am doing my residency at Charity Hospital in New Orleans. It is a state hospital that serves mostly the poor, and is an integral part of the Gulf Coast health care. Throughout Katrinas terror, I have been able to talk with one ER doc who has been at Charity since Sunday.

It is 5a.m. Friday morning now. I just got off the phone with him. He is doing well, but is still at the hospital. His outgoing message is (approximately)the following:
Hey this is Roderick Bennett. Once again, thanks for all your support...for an update, everything is looking a little better,weve got some military here, Im a little worried, as they send us outta here they are talking about making us just like everyone else and sending us along with those who were shooting at us. If anyone knows some way to help us, like sending us to another city, hey, wed greatly appreciate it...

In our esteemed Charity ER there are 14 volunteer physicians. They began with 41 patients and then closed the ER, which meant they could not treat anyone during this horrific week. (Please dont forget, there are to many other physicans and patients on the other wards of the hospital too) They have been in terrible conditions for almost a week. Until yesterday (Thursday) afternoon, there were no armed guards protecting them from gunmen who were after drugs, food and water. They have been hearing that they would be evacuated soon. In fact, when I spoke with the Senators office on Wednesday, I was told that all the hospitals would be evacuated by sundown that day. It is now Friday.

Tulane hospital, a private hospital less than a block away was mostly evacuated as of yesterday.

Here is the gist of my conversation with Dr. Bennett this morning:
He is terribly disappointed at being left behind. About half of the patients were evacuated today. There was a sudden halt when guns were being fired nearby. All but 4 critically ill ICU patients have been evacd. He expresses deep concern of the lack of haste for lonely , poor old New Orleans. There is no estimated evacuation time at this point.

I am dismayed that our city, which everyone KNEW this would happen to someday, has been thrashed because of poor planning, and little concern. This is dire.

PLEASE forward this to anyone who can spread it, blog it, cover it. On CNN today, one anchor began talking about Race and Class and its link to this devastation. The situation at Charity is a perfect example.

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #39
472. 9-13:re earlier pres diversion of power crews away from hospitals
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... restore oil pipeline.

Electric crews diverted from hospital work by White House

Power crews diverted
Restoring pipeline came first

By Nikki Davis Maute

Shortly after Hurricane Katrina roared through South Mississippi knocking out electricity and communication systems, the White House ordered power restored to a pipeline that sends fuel to the Northeast.
That order - to restart two power substations in Collins that serve Colonial Pipeline Co. - delayed efforts by at least 24 hours to restore power to two rural hospitals and a number of water systems in the Pine Belt.

At the time, gasoline was in short supply across the country because of Katrina. Prices increased dramatically and lines formed at pumps across the South.

"I considered it a presidential directive to get those pipelines operating," said Jim Compton, general manager of the South Mississippi Electric Power Association - which distributes power that rural electric cooperatives sell to consumers and businesses.

"I reluctantly agreed to pull half our transmission line crews off other projects and made getting the transmission lines to the Collins substations a priority," Compton said. "Our people were told to work until it was done.

"They did it in 16 hours, and I consider the effort unprecedented."

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:55 PM
Response to Original message
40. After K: Quotes from Bush, Barbare, and other Bush top admins and
family
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #40
276. Sept 9: DeLay to evacuees: 'Is this kind of fun?'
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/DeLay_to_evacuees_Is_this...

DeLay to evacuees: 'Is this kind of fun?'
RAW STORY


A report on the Houston Chronicle blog by Chronicle reporter Purva Patel reveals that House Majority Leader Tom DeLay asked Hurricane Katrina evacuees if their current situation was "kind of fun," RAW STORY has found. Excerpts follow.

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While on the tour with top administration officials from Washington, including U.S. Secretary of Labor Elaine L. Chao and U.S. Treasury Secretary John W. Snow, DeLay stopped to chat with three young boys resting on cots.

The congressman likened their stay to being at camp and asked, "Now tell me the truth boys, is this kind of fun?"

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #276
277. Full story on Chronicle's Domeblog
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #40
297. 09/09: several quotes DU thread.
Edited on Fri Sep-09-05 10:26 PM by skids
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 08:02 AM
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309. 09/10: 25 Mind-Numbingly Stupid Quotes About Hurricane Katrina
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:37 PM
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323. Sept 9: A compilation of stupid, insensitive quotes by Repubs re: Katrina
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Contrary1 (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-09-05 10:10 PM
Original message
A compilation of stupid, insensitive quotes by Repubs re: Katrina disaster
Feel free to add your own. We will probably have to add several more threads to cover it all. Here's a good start:

Smirk: "...out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house -- the guy lost his entire house -- there's going to be fantastic house. I look forward to sitting on the porch."

Babs Bush: "What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality."

Babs Bush, part deux: "And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this this is working very well for them."

Pat Robertson: "...Judge Roberts can, maybe, you know, be thankful that a tragedy has brought him some good."

Dennis Hastert: "It makes no sense to spend billions of dollars to rebuild a city that's seven feet under sea level....It looks like a lot of that place could be bulldozed."

Michael Brown: "Considering the dire circumstances that we have in New Orleans, virtually a city that has been destroyed, things are going relatively well."

Wolf Blitzer: "You simply get chills every time you see these poor individuals...many of these people, almost all of them that we see are so poor and they are so black, and this is going to raise lots of questions for people who are watching this story unfold."

Richard Baker: "We finally cleaned up public housing in New Orleans. We couldn't do it, but God did."

Michael Chertoff: ""Louisiana is a city that is largely under water."

Jack Burkman (GOP strategist): "I understand there are 10,000 people dead. It's terrible. It's tragic. But in a democracy of 300 million people, over years and years and years, these things happen."


more in the replies...
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #40
364. Sept 10: DU thread of quotes:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Sat Sep-10-05 11:09 PM
Original message
Cheney..We are well on our way on getting on top of this Katrina EXERCISE
I just saw that on the MSNBC scroll.

Exercise?


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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 09:12 PM
Original message
Sept 10:Rescuers collect dead, Cheney sounds upbeat
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050910/ts...
Rescuers collect dead, Cheney sounds upbeat By Jason Webb
Sat Sep 10, 2:39 PM ET



NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) - Emergency workers collected the dead of New Orleans on Saturday and the official death toll rose slowly, boosting hopes Hurricane Katrina would claim far fewer lives than the many thousands once feared.

As police and soldiers started to remove the bodies -- many in homes marked with paint to identify their presence when floodwaters were high -- President George W. Bush invoked the spirit that united the nation after the September 11 attacks.

"Today, America is confronting another disaster that has caused destruction and loss of life. This time the devastation resulted not from the malice of evil men, but from the fury of water and wind," Bush said in his weekly radio address.

"America will overcome this ordeal, and we will be stronger for it," he said on the eve of the fourth anniversary of the New York and Washington attacks that killed some 2,700 people.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 09:22 PM
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368. Sept 10:on our way to getting on top of the whole Katrina exercise. Cheney
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050910/ts...

Vice President Dick Cheney visited an emergency management center in Austin, Texas, and said the government was finally gaining control of the situation.

"I think we are in fact on our way to getting on top of the whole Katrina exercise. We've got a lot of work ahead of us," he said.

The Bush administration on Friday recalled widely criticized Federal Emergency Management Agency head Michael Brown to Washington, handing his role in coordinating rescue and recovery to Vice Admiral Thad Allen, chief of staff of the U.S. Coast Guard. Just a week ago, the president publicly told Brown he was doing a "heck of a job."

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 10:57 AM
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424. Barbara Bush's statement
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 10:58 AM
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425. Julian Bind: George Bush should put a muzzle on his mother
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 04:43 PM
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448. Sep13VID - Bush on CNN: self-congratulatory about his handling of Katrina
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VIDEO - Bush on CNN: self-congratulatory about his handling of Katrina
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 03:14 AM by Nothing Without Hope

preparations and aftermath - He referred to his signing of emergency declarations before the storm as "extraordinary," adding that "in most emergencies, the President signs after the storm hits."

He also said with obvious belligerence that it is just "preposterous" to suggest that engagement of the National Guard troops in Iraq had any bad effect on the handling of the storm and its aftermath.

Bubble Boy lives - just amazing. Watch it and share it.



This is at the Crooks and Liars site at this permalink:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/12.html#a4927

Here's a direct link to the clip in Windows Media format:
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/The-Situation-Room-Bus ...



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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:57 PM
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41. After K: Statements by Democrats appalled by the rescue efforts
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 08:58 PM by mom cat
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 05:59 PM
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224. Sept 8: Pelosi blasts Bush, demands that Brown resign
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:12 PM
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530. 9/18 Clinton holding Bush accountable on Iraq, Katrina and budget
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Yahoo covers Clinton holding Bush accountable on Iraq, Katrina and budget

Clinton launches withering attack on Bush on Iraq, Katrina, budget

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Former US president Bill Clinton sharply criticised George W. Bush for the Iraq War and the handling of Hurricane Katrina, and voiced alarm at the swelling US budget deficit.

More at the link:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050918/ts_alt_afp/usweath...
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:36 PM
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536. 9/19 Edwards calls for return of depression era programs
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(Not sure where link is to original speech: might be this: http://oneamericacommittee.org / )
Edwards: We need to be democrats... back to our roots; Bush's plan insane

Edwards calls for return of depression era programs

MIKE GLOVER

Associated Press

INDIANOLA, Iowa - Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards called Sunday for a return of depression era jobs programs to rebuild the hurricane ravaged Gulf Coast.

Edwards said those programs would give new hope and money to victims of Hurricane Katrina as well as rebuild shattered cities, such as New Orleans.

He used the Work Products Administration as an example of a depression era program that built parks, bridges and other facilities that are still being used.

"We ought to have a new WPA like was used during the depression to create jobs, and we ought to bring those folks who have been displaced back into New Orleans to rebuild their city," Edwards said. "Give them a decent wage and decent benefits. That's the way to help rebuild New Orleans they way it should be built.

"Not just rebuild the city, but rebuild people's lives," he said.

Edwards spoke to more than 1,300 hard-core Democratic activists at Sen. Tom Harkin's annual steak fry, just outside Indianola.

Since the last presidential election, where he was nominee John Kerry's running mate, Edwards has opened a center for the study of poverty issues at the University of North Carolina.

He is traveling the country, making the case that the nation needs to face the growing level of poverty. He's made four stops in Iowa, where precinct caucuses launch the presidential nominating season.

Edwards said Hurricane Katrina has focused the nation's attention on poverty, because so many victims of the storm are poor.

He said that attention gives the country's political leaders an opportunity to make progress on the issue.

"The real issue is, in this window where people are paying attention, will we have leadership that sustains the effort?" Edwards said.

Edwards criticized President Bush's response to the storm, saying it showed a lack of understanding of the poor in America.

"He has consistently shown a lack of understanding," Edwards said.

He said a Bush relief proposal would give victims money in bank accounts that most don't have.

"He's talking about putting this money into people's bank accounts," Edwards said. "Most of these people don't have bank accounts."

Edwards said Bush also has suspended laws that require that the prevailing wage be paid on reconstruction projects.

"That's insane," he said. "What these people need is a decent wage. It's the reason so many of them are living in poverty to begin with."

Edwards has left little doubt that he's interested in another run for the Democratic presidential nomination, and being the keynote speaker at Harkins' steak fry was a plum assignment.

It's one of the largest Democratic events of the year, and allows Edwards to rebuild contacts he made during the 2004 campaign.

In his fiery speech, Edwards said the war on poverty takes Democrats back to their roots.

He said 1 million people have slipped into poverty in just the last year, a decline in living caused by Republican policies.


"We don't need another Republican party," he said. "We need to be Democrats because this party gives voice to people who have no voice, and they never needed it more than they do now."



Harkin has held his annual steak fry for 28 years and he echoed Edwards theme, pointing to the haunting images of the poor living in misery.

"I'll say this about Hurricane Katrina ... it opened our eyes," Harkin said.

Lt. Gov. Sally Pederson, who also heads the Iowa Democratic Party, said the momentum started by the steak fry is badly needed because the party faces a tough round of elections next year, including defending the governor's office.

Edwards said he'll be back often and that his theme won't change.

"Katrina has focused the country's attention on an issue that doesn't just exist on the Gulf Coast and New Orleans, but it exists all across the country and we need to take this window opportunity and act."

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Edit: Edwards was in Louisiana too. He talked about in his speech and this are a couple of accounts from those who heard him at Harkin's Stake Fry in Iowa today:

"Tears came to my eyes when JRE talked about going to Louisiana last week and talking to the survivors of Hurricane Katrina. He relayed the story of a man who held on to his wife's hand as the flood waters rose around their home. The force of the water made them lose each other's hands, and the husband watched his wife drown."

"JRE told us he had been to Louisana last week and how sad it was to see the poverty and the sadness of the people, he spoke of one man who he talked to that told him about the rising water and how he and his wife went to the 2nd story and the water was coming there also, he said his wife couldn't swim, but that he could and he took her hand and they went out a window upstairs, he said the current was so strong he could not hold onto his wife and she drowned, he made it to another roof. JRE said it broke his heart to hear this man tell the story along with others."
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:59 PM
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42. After K: Statements by repubs appalled by fed - Bush response
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 09:06 PM by mom cat
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:00 PM
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43. After K: Statements by media appalled by the fed - Bush responce
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 09:08 PM by mom cat
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:18 PM
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82. Sept 3:New Orleans Paper Slams Federal Response on Saturday
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_di...

New Orleans Paper Slams Federal Response on Saturday



By E&P Staff

Published: September 03, 2005 10:45 AM ET

NEW YORK The Times-Picayune of New Orleans, in publishing its second print edition of the week on Saturday from its new base in Houma, lashed out in an editorial at federal relief efforts so far, even as help and supplies finally started to arrive.

"It's good to hear the president admit his administration's shortcomings, and it's even better to hear his promise to help all of us who are in need," the editorial declared. "But the sad truth remains that the federal government's slow start has already proved fatal to some of the most vulnerable people in the New Orleans area. Water has killed hundreds, if not thousands, of people. A lack of water to drink is exacting its toll on others.

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:33 PM
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89. Sept 2: The big disconnect on New Orleans...CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response /

The big disconnect on New Orleans
The official version; then there's the in-the-trenches version

Friday, September 2, 2005; Posted: 5:17 p.m. EDT (21:17 GMT)

Conditions were desperate at the Louisiana Superdome on Thursday.
Image:



New Orleans (Louisiana)
Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA)
Michael Chertoff
Dr. Sanjay Gupta

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- Diverging views of a crumbling New Orleans emerged Thursday, with statements by some federal officials in contradiction with grittier, more desperate views from the streets. By late Friday response to those stranded in the city was more visible.

But the conflicting views on Thursday came within hours, sometimes minutes of each of each other, as reflected in CNN's transcripts. The speakers include Michael Brown, chief of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, evacuee Raymond Cooper, CNN correspondents and others. Here's what they had to say:

Conditions in the Convention Center


FEMA chief Brown: We learned about that (Thursday), so I have directed that we have all available resources to get that convention center to make sure that they have the food and water and medical care that they need. (See video of Brown explaining how news reports alerted FEMA to convention center chaos. -- 2:11)


Mayor Nagin: The convention center is unsanitary and unsafe, and we are running out of supplies for the 15,000 to 20,000 people. (Hear Nagin's angry demand for soldiers. 1:04)
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 02:58 AM
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157. Holy shit. Cafferty surmises that the Bush photo op and the convoy
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Holy shit. Cafferty surmises that the Bush photo op and the convoy
of supplies is no coincidence!

He is pissed!

He had Blitzer stammering trying to respond to this!

He says it is an outright embarrasment.

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 04:53 PM
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271. Sept 4: CBS takes off the gloves!
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-04-05 05:42 PM
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CBS takes off the gloves!
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 05:44 PM by johnaries

Bob Scheiffer really gave it to the Admin! Go to page 9 of the transcript:
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/face_90405.pdf

SCHIEFFER: Finally, a personal thought. We have come through what may have been one of the worst weeks in America's history, a week in which government at every level failed the people it was created to serve. There is no purpose for government except to improve the lives
of its citizens. Yet as scenes of horror that seemed to be coming from some Third World country flashed before us, official Washington was like a dog watching television. It saw the lights and images, but did not seem to comprehend their meaning or see any link to reality.

As the floodwaters rose, local officials in New Orleans ordered the city evacuated. They might as well have told their citizens to fly to the moon. How do you evacuate when you don't have a car? No hint of intelligent design in any of this. This was just survival of the richest.

By midweek a parade of Washington officials rushed before the cameras to urge patience. What good is patience to a mother who can't find food and water for a dehydrated child? Washington
was coming out of an August vacation stupor and seemed unable to refocus on business or even think straight. Why else would Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert question aloud whether New Orleans should even be rebuilt? And when he was unable to get to Washington in time to vote on emergency aid funds, Hastert had an excuse only Washington could understand: He had to attend a fund-raiser back home.



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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 04:56 PM
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272. Sept 4: Face the Nation. PDF transcript containg above quote
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 05:12 PM
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274. Sept 4: Sunday papers (including conservative ones) rip Bush hurricane res
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-04-05 08:01 PM
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Sunday papers (including conservative ones) rip Bush hurricane response
Editorials, Including Those at Conservative Papers, Rip Bush's Hurricane Response


NEW YORK Editorials from around the country on Friday -- including at the Bush-friendly Dallas Morning News and The Washington Times -- have, by and large, offered harsh criticism of the official and military response to the disaster in the Gulf Coast. Here's a sampling.

Dallas Morning News

As a federal official in a neatly pressed suit talked to reporters in Washington about "little bumps along the road" in emergency efforts, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin issued an urgent SOS. The situation near the convention center was chaotic; not enough buses were available to evacuate thousands of survivors, and the streets were littered with the dead.

Moments later, President Bush took center stage and talked at length about the intricacies of energy policy and plans to keep prices stable. Meanwhile, doctors at hospitals called the Associated Press asking to get their urgent message out: We need to be evacuated, we're taking sniper fire, and nobody is in charge.

Who is in charge?

MORE

http://editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_displa...
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 09:56 PM
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294. **Sept 9:Bush Losing Support From His Base **
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2005/...


washingtonpost.com
Bush Losing Support From His Base

Review of polls and media articles
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 08:46 PM
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362. 9/10 (orig post 9/2) CNN on Discrepancy Btw Fed Version & Truth
From http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... :
CNN article entirely on DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OFFICIAL VERSION AND TRUTH

There is a huge amount they're missing, but the main point is clear: Bush administration officials are LYING. No, the article doesn't use that resonant L-word, but verbatim quotes are placed side by side and it is very clear that the authors are PISSED. And THERE ARE ACCOMPANYING VIDEOS for some of the statements. (I could not get direct video links, but if you go to the article you can use the live links in the text.)

(Mods - This excerpt contains two CNN introductory paragraphs and one quote by a CNN employee. The remainder are quotes from non-CNN employees. The 4-paragraph rule is obeyed.)

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response/index ...
The big disconnect on New Orleans

The official version; then there's the in-the-trenches version
Friday, September 2, 2005; Posted: 5:17 p.m. EDT (21:17 GMT)

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- Diverging views of a crumbling New Orleans emerged Thursday, with statements by some federal officials in contradiction with grittier, more desperate views from the streets. By late Friday response to those stranded in the city was more visible.

But the conflicting views on Thursday came within hours, sometimes minutes of each of each other, as reflected in CNN's transcripts. The speakers include Michael Brown, chief of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, evacuee Raymond Cooper, CNN correspondents and others. Here's what they had to say:

Conditions in the Convention Center
FEMA chief Brown: "We learned about that (Thursday), so I have directed that we have all available resources to get that convention center to make sure that they have the food and water and medical care that they need."
(See video of Brown explaining how news reports alerted FEMA to convention center chaos. -- 2:11)
Mayor Nagin: The convention center is unsanitary and unsafe, and we are running out of supplies for the 15,000 to 20,000 people.
(Hear Nagin's angry demand for soldiers. 1:04)
CNN Producer Kim Segal: It was chaos. There was nobody there, nobody in charge. And there was nobody giving even water. The children, you should see them, they're all just in tears. There are sick people. We saw... people who are dying in front of you.
Evacuee Raymond Cooper: Sir, you've got about 3,000 people here in this -- in the Convention Center right now. They're hungry. Don't have any food. We were told two-and-a-half days ago to make our way to the Superdome or the Convention Center by our mayor. And which when we got here, was no one to tell us what to do, no one to direct us, no authority figure.

(snip)

There are also side by side comparisons of quotes and some more video clips on the following topics:

Uncollected corpses

Hospital evacuations

Violence and civil unrest

The federal response

Security

The word is spreading. The Bush Administration is trying to spin its way out with lies again, but it's not going to work this time.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 12:23 PM
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403. 9/11 Newsweek: Good Article Summarizing "How Bush Blew It"
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Newsweek: How Bush Blew It ( a scathing indictment of Bush)

By Evan Thomas

Sept. 19, 2005 issue - It's a standing joke among the president's top aides: who gets to deliver the bad news? Warm and hearty in public, Bush can be cold and snappish in private, and aides sometimes cringe before the displeasure of the president of the United States, or, as he is known in West Wing jargon, POTUS. The bad news on this early morning, Tuesday, Aug. 30, some 24 hours after Hurricane Katrina had ripped through New Orleans, was that the president would have to cut short his five-week vacation by a couple of days and return to Washington. The president's chief of staff, Andrew Card; his deputy chief of staff, Joe Hagin; his counselor, Dan Bartlett, and his spokesman, Scott McClellan, held a conference call to discuss the question of the president's early return and the delicate task of telling him. Hagin, it was decided, as senior aide on the ground, would do the deed.

The reality, say several aides who did not wish to be quoted because it might displease the president, did not really sink in until Thursday night. Some White House staffers were watching the evening news and thought the president needed to see the horrific reports coming out of New Orleans. Counselor Bartlett made up a DVD of the newscasts so Bush could see them in their entirety as he flew down to the Gulf Coast the next morning on Air Force One.

How this could be - how the president of the United States could have even less "situational awareness," as they say in the military, than the average American about the worst natural disaster in a century - is one of the more perplexing and troubling chapters in a story that, despite moments of heroism and acts of great generosity, ranks as a national disgrace.

-snip-
But it is not clear what President Bush does read or watch, aside from the occasional biography and an hour or two of ESPN here and there. Bush can be petulant about dissent; he equates disagreement with disloyalty. After five years in office, he is surrounded largely by people who agree with him. Bush can ask tough questions, but it's mostly a one-way street. Most presidents keep a devil's advocate around. Lyndon Johnson had George Ball on Vietnam; President Ronald Reagan and Bush's father, George H.W. Bush, grudgingly listened to the arguments of Budget Director Richard Darman, who told them what they didn't wish to hear: that they would have to raise taxes. When Hurricane Katrina struck, it appears there was no one to tell President Bush the plain truth: that the state and local governments had been overwhelmed, that the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) was not up to the job and that the military, the only institution with the resources to cope, couldn't act without a declaration from the president overriding all other authority.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9287434/site/newsweek /
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 02:45 PM
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505. 9/16 Show by Ted Koppell going through day by day
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Show Ted Koppel is hosting on NOLA is excellent >

He's going day by day. He showed Bush talking about Medicare while New Orleans floods. The last speaker just said "the federal govt was oblivious."

http://tv.yahoo.com/tvpdb?.src=my&d=tvp&lineup=us_Easte...
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 02:00 PM
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512. 9/17 Reaction of European Media
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"No light of humanity in the eyes, no gravitas on the face"...

European editorials "how they see us". Short and worth the read from a perspective unclouded by any US spin.

A world leader who cant lead
Americans dissatisfied with Bushs response to Katrina.
9/9/2005

Hurricane Katrina has revealed the true character of the American president, said Philippe Grangereau in Paris Libration. George W. Bush, the least hardworking president in history, continued playing at his Texas ranch while his fellow citizens drowned and starved in New Orleans. Most Americans get only two weeks of vacation, if that, but the president had been riding his bike, chopping wood, and fund-raising for five weeks. When he finally, grudgingly, cut his revelry short by two days and traveled to the devastated Gulf Coast, it was too late. America, and the world, had already seen that the superpowers leader lacks leadership.

Remember that deer-in-the-headlights look when Bush was informed of the 9/11 attacks? said Stefan Kornelius in Munichs Suddetsche Zeitung. Bush seemed similarly helpless in this second national crisis. And he showed the same political denseness. Just as he kept reading a story to schoolchildren while thousands of Americans were burning to death in the twin towers, so he kept smiling and joking as floods engulfed whole cities. In that first crisis, though, he was able to recover quickly and portray himself as strong and decisive. But this time around, Americans are not so easy to fool. They have watched the death toll in Iraq rise month after month with no end in sight. It is slowly dawning on them that tough talk and the profligate use of military power are no substitute for true leadership.

A little compassion would have gone a long way, said Howard Jacobson in the London Independent. But Bush cant even fake it. No light of humanity in the eyes. No gravitas on the face. The only emotion he can muster is defensiveness. Its cold comfort, but if you are a Muslim who believes that the West values Western lives above Muslim lives, the American presidents demeanor over the last days points to a more democratic reading: The leader of the Western world lacks a language in which to value any life.

The presidents indifference was so apparent, and so appalling, said Annette Levy-Willard, also in Libration, that it roused the American press from its patriotic torpor. Television news, normally so conformist and excessively respectful of power, finally dared to question the administrations lies. Networks used split screens to reveal the truth: On one side, an administration official saying everything was fine; on the other, images of old people and the poor clinging to rooftops, dying of thirst. Rather than serving corporate goals, American television performed a public service. It lived up to the mission of the press to defend the poor and criticize the political class. If such zeal lasts after the flood waters ebb, Americans could have a long overdue political awakening.

The rest of the world has already had one, said Madrids La Razon in an editorial. We watched the richest country in the world let its poor die like animals. Its beyond dispute that the U.S. had the means to rescue the hurricane victims. It simply lacked the will. That the largest and most modern army in the world was so inefficient can only be blamed on leaders of doubtful competence. Americas image has been tarnished as never before.
http://www.theweekmagazine.com/article.asp?id=1108
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:37 PM
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537. 9/19 Scathing Editorial by in Fredericksburg Paper
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 12:38 PM by snot
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SCATHING, BLISTERING, DAMNING editorial, read it and weep "W"

The president was on vacation, all right--vacation from his duty
RICHARD AMRHINE
The Free Lance-Star, Fredericksburg, VA
Date published: 9/18/2005

WE HAVE BEEN told that President Bush is not entirely to blame for the poor response to the suffering and devastation left behind by Hurricane Katrina. Indeed, there is plenty of blame to divvy up among the officials who are elected to plan ahead for troubled times...

That is also why we have a president, the commander in chief, who we count on to take charge and to feel our pain. He seemed to be trying to do that, finally, in a speech from New Orleans on Wednesday night...

Thankfully this is America, and this real-life Alfred E. Neuman will be out of office in 2008. Has three years ever seemed such an eternity?

In the meantime, we have mid-term elections in 2006 that allow Americans to send a message on how they think the president is doing. That message should be loud and clear.

In Katrina's wake, people have been asking how they can help. First, they should send a donation to a legitimate charity. Then, if your car has a Bush bumper sticker on it, grab a Sharpie and put a big X through it. And another thing: Somebody remind the president that daddy's not always going to be around to help make things right.

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2005/092005/09182005...

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:03 PM
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45. After K: Statements by citizens appalled by the fed - Bush responce
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 09:09 PM by mom cat
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 04:26 PM
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410. Sept 11: Man in Water in LA Yells: " I voted for that idiot! How Stupid Am
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Sun Sep-11-05 02:47 AM
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Man in Water in LA Yells: " I voted for that idiot! How Stupid Am I?"
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 03:18 AM by leftchick

I swear to God I saw it on CNN today around 6:00 pm. There was a reporter and camera crew in a boat going around in the waters in LA questioning people on how they were coping. They came upon a man alone in a boat with an oar, ironically with a flag embossed towel around his neck.

They asked how he was coping. He Went OFF! (paraphrasing here because it is late) " Government? What Government?? I have not seen any help! Where is the government? Where is bush? If I saw him right now I would... aaaarrrggghhhh!(throwing fist in the air!). He Is an IDIOT! I voted for him too! How stupid am I?"

Poor guy.....I hope the SS did not get the number off of his canoe.




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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 04:32 PM
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411. Sept 11:Welcome to DU Dr. Ben Marble of "go fuck yourself cheney" fame
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Welcome to DU Dr. Ben Marble of "go fuck yourself cheney" fame
Thought this deserved its own thread. I know a lot of us are fans.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...


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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 10:56 AM
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423. Julian Bonb: George Bush should put a muzzle on his mother
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:13 PM
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46. After K: Media articles supporting the Bush - fed responce
note any shift to Rove talking points
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 03:09 PM
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259. Where to Point the Fingers (Krauthammer witches and Jews article)
Where to Point the Fingers

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

By Charles Krauthammer

Friday, September 9, 2005; Page A25

In less enlightened times there was no catastrophe independent of human agency. When the plague or some other natural disaster struck, witches were burned, Jews were massacred and all felt better (except the witches and Jews).

A few centuries later, our progressive thinkers have progressed not an inch. No fall of a sparrow on this planet is not attributed to sin and human perfidy. The three current favorites are: (1) global warming, (2) the war in Iraq and (3) tax cuts. Katrina hits and the unholy trinity is immediately invoked to damn sinner-in-chief George W. Bush.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 04:48 PM
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449. Sep 13Wash Post exposed shilling for WH re: Blanco smear, issues retractio
henslee (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-12-05 09:38 PM
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Wash Post exposed shilling for WH re: Blanco smear, issues retraction....
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 09:39 PM by henslee

Following snip is from this Village voice article...
http://villagevoice.com/news/0537,rozen,67724,2.html
(snip)

On Sunday, September 4, the Washington Post quoted an anonymous White House source as saying that in the critical days as New Orleans was filling with water, the White House was prevented from sending federal assistance to aid flood victims because of a technicalityLouisiana governor Kathleen Blanco had not declared a state of emergency. On its face, the claim seemed absurdthousands of New Orleanians were left to drown, dehydrate, and starve because of a technicality? And indeed, only hours later, the Post was forced to publish an above-the-story correction revealing how badly they had been burned by their anonymous White House source:

Correction to This Article:

A Sept. 4 article on the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina incorrectly said that Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (D) had not declared a state of emergency. She declared an emergency on Aug. 26. "

The quote may have revealed a blatant White House effort to steer the "blame game" toward the Democratic governor (all the while directing the White House and its supporters to respond to critics, as if in chorus, with variations of the pious phrase, "Now's not the time to play the blame game.")

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:14 PM
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47. After K: Repub support of Bush - fed responce.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:16 PM
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48. After K: International Relief : offers made: accepted,refused or stymied
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 09:18 PM by mom cat
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:41 PM
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113. Sept 6: Canada, France, U.K. Militaries Dispatch Aid to U.S.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000082&sid=aVN...

Canada, France, U.K. Militaries Dispatch Aid to U.S. Gulf Coast
Sept. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Canada, France, Germany and Britain are among countries whose militaries are coming to the aid of the U.S. in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, according to interviews with officials and government statements.


? How much of it was delayed by red tape!


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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:55 AM
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183. 60 nations offered help
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 06:21 PM
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230. Extensive list of all countries (in German)
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:20 PM
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238. Sept 7:Offers of Aid Immediate, but U.S. Approval Delayed for Days
Foreign Giving
Offers of Aid Immediate, but U.S. Approval Delayed for Days

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

By Elizabeth Williamson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 7, 2005; Page A01

Offers of foreign aid worth tens of millions of dollars -- including a Swedish water purification system, a German cellular telephone network and two Canadian rescue ships -- have been delayed for days awaiting review by backlogged federal agencies, according to European diplomats and information collected by the State Department.

Since Hurricane Katrina, more than 90 countries and international organizations offered to assist in recovery efforts for the flood-stricken region, but nearly all endeavors remained mired yesterday in bureaucratic entanglements, in most cases, at the Federal Emergency Management Agency.







In Germany, a massive telecommunication system and two technicians await the green light to fly to Louisiana, after its donors spent four days searching for someone willing to accept the gift.

"FEMA? That was a lost case," said Mirit Hemy, an executive with the Netherlands-based New Skies Satellite who made the phone calls. "We got zero help, and we lost one week trying to get hold of them."
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 04:11 PM
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268. 9/9 Swedish plane full with aid waiting since 6 days for an US order
(Also posted this under FEMA response, though not sure it's their authority.)

Swedish plane full with aid waiting since 6 days for an US order

Sweden's government spokeman Per Strm criticised the passivity of the US concerning international aid.
Since 6 days (I repeat "six days") a swedish plane carrying equipment to clean water is waiting on a military airport to receive an order from the US where it shall fly to. So far no order has been received.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,373833,00 ....
(in German)

Here an article a few days before:
http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=2018&date=2005090 ...

Strm said the plane would continue to wait but could take off at any moment if the US wishes so.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 07:05 PM
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283. Sept 2: World mobilises to aid US victims
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4210264.stm
World mobilises to aid US victims

The US was considering dozens of offers of international assistance
More than 44 foreign governments and international organisations have offered aid to help with the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
Sri Lanka and Indonesia, who were recipients of US assistance after the tsunami, were among the list of potential donors.

Cuba and Venezuela put aside their differences with the Bush administration to offer assistance.


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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 06:00 AM
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303. Sept 1: Scott McClellan: "We are NOT requesting international aid."
Canadian agencies are saying that foreign aid is probably not being permitted into Louisiana and Mississippi because of "mass confusion" at the U.S. federal level in the wake of the storm."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 12:02 PM
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312. Sept 10: German plane with Katrina aid turned back from U.S.
German plane with Katrina aid turned back from U.S.
Associated Press

http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?tl=1&display=r...

BERLIN - A German military plane carrying 15 tons of emergency rations to survivors of Hurricane Katrina was turned away by U.S. authorities, officials said Saturday.

The plane was turned back on Thursday because it didn't have the required authorization, a German government spokesman said.

The government spokesman, speaking on customary condition of anonymity, declined to comment on a report in the German news magazine Der Spiegel that that U.S. authorities refused the delivery by arguing that the NATO military rations could carry mad cow disease.

The spokesman said U.S. authorities had since given a green light for any further aid deliveries. He said it was unclear whether there would be more flights from Germany.

A U.S. Embassy official, who asked not to be named, cited temporary technical and logistical problems.

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 12:04 PM
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313. Original article from Der Speigel...in German
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 08:15 PM
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539. 9/19 Tons of British Aid to Be Burned
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=16147117%26met...

EXCLUSIVE: UP IN FLAMES
Tons of British aid donated to help Hurricane Katrina victims to be BURNED by Americans
From Ryan Parry, US Correspondent in New York
HUNDREDS of tons of British food aid shipped to America for starving Hurricane Katrina survivors is to be burned.

Instead tons of the badly needed Nato ration packs, the same as those eaten by British troops in Iraq, has been condemned as unfit for human consumption. And unless the bureaucratic mess is cleared up soon it could be sent for incineration.

(snip)

The food, which cost British taxpayers millions, is sitting idle in a huge warehouse after the Food and Drug Agency recalled it when it had already left to be distributed. Scores of lorries headed back to a warehouse in Little Rock, Arkansas, to dump it at an FDA incineration plant.

The Ministry of Defence in London said last night that 400,000 operational ration packs had been shipped to the US. But officials blamed the US Department of Agriculture, which impounded the shipment under regulations relating to the import and export of meat. The aid worker, who would not be named, said: "This is the most appalling act of sickening senselessness while people starve.

"The FDA has recalled aid from Britain because it has been condemned as unfit for human consumption, despite the fact that these are Nato approved rations of exactly the same type fed to British soldiers in Iraq.

"Under Nato, American soldiers are also entitled to eat such rations, yet the starving of the American South will see them go up in smoke because of FDA red tape madness."

(snip)

"Everyone is revolted by the chaotic shambles the US is making of this crisis. Guys from Unicef are walking around spitting blood.

(snip)

"If they are trying to argue there is a BSE reason then that is ludicrously out of date. There is more BSE in the States than there ever was in Britain and UK meat has been safe for years."

The Ministry of Defence said: "We understand there was a glitch and these packs have been impounded by the US Department of Agriculture under regulations relating to the import and export of meat.

(snip)

Food from Spain and Italy is also being held because it fails to meet US standards and has been judged unfit for human consumption. And Israeli relief agencies are furious that thousands of gallons of pear juice are to be destroyed because it has been judged unfit.

(snip)
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:23 PM
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51. After K: Contracts to Halliburton & other Bush supporters: note if no bid
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:33 AM
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185. Sept 1: *****YES***** SEPT 1!*****Halliburton hired for storm cleanup*****
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 07:36 AM by mom cat
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/33356...

Sept. 1, 2005, 8:30PM

AROUND THE REGION


CONSTRUCTION
Halliburton hired for storm cleanup
The Navy has hired Houston-based Halliburton Co. to restore electric power, repair roofs and remove debris at three naval facilities in Mississippi damaged by Hurricane Katrina. ADVERTISEMENT


Halliburton subsidiary KBR will also perform damage assessments at other naval installations in New Orleans as soon as it is safe to do so.

KBR was assigned the work under a "construction capabilities" contract awarded in 2004 after a competitive bidding process. The company is not involved in the Army Corps of Engineers' effort to repair New Orleans' levees.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:38 AM
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203. Sept 4: FEMA privatized hurricane disaster recovery planning
Written by Wayne Madsen
Monday, 05 September 2005

http://www.wnymedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&ta...


Wayne Madsen | September 4 2005
FEMA privatized hurricane disaster recovery planning for New Orleans and Southeastern Louisiana. The firms that received the contract are big GOP contributors. Adding to the controversy regarding the Army Corps of Engineers diverting $250 million from the SELA (Southeast Louisiana) Urban Flood Control Program to Iraq and Halliburton reconstruction projects, is the revelation that FEMA outsourced hurricane recovery planning to the Baton Rouge-based consulting firm Innovative Emergency Management (IEM), Inc. to develop a "Catastrophic Hurricane Disaster Plan for New Orleans & Southeast Louisiana." The award was announced on June 3, 2004 on the firm's web site but was taken down just as Hurricane Katrina's winds and waves first started pounding New Orleans. It would now appear that the hurricane plan IEM and its team developed wasn't worth a damned thing.

IEM's team partners for the more than $500,000 contract are Dewberry of Arlington, VA, URS Corporation of San Francisco, and James Lee Witt Associates. Witt was FEMA Director under Bill Clinton. IEM's president is Madhu Beriwal. The company was founded in 1985. Dewberry and URS are engineering firms. IEM is also a Defense Department contractor and has contracts with the U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command (TRADOC) along with team members Booz Allen Hamilton and Lockheed Martin.

Now for the interesting background on Ms. Beriwal. She is a big-time contributor to the GOP. She's given thousands of dollars to Republicans, including Louisiana Sen. David Vitter, Rep. Mike Rogers of Michigan, Alabama Sen. Richard Shelby, Louisiana Rep. Bobby Jindal, Rep. Richard Baker of Louisiana, the National Republican Congressional Committee, former Arkansas Sen. Tim Hutchinson. Vitter was the largest recipient of funds from Beriwal.

The Chairman of Dewberry Sidney Dewberry, the Vice Chairman, Barry K. Dewberry, and Secretary of the firm, Michael Dewberry have been substantial contributors to George W. Bush, Virginia Sen. John Warner, the National Republican Congressional Committee, Sen. Shelby, "Every Republican is Crucial" Political Action Committee, Rep. Virgil Goode of Virginia (also fingered in the Duke Cunningham MZM, Inc. scandal), Virginia Sen. George Allen, Virginia Rep. Frank Wolf, Virginia Rep. Tom Davis, Virginia Rep. Eric Cantor, Virginia Rep. Bob Goodlatte, the Republican National Committee, and the Federal Victory Fund of Annandale, VA controlled by Tom Davis. The Dewberrys have also contributed to the financially-tainted Democrat from Virginia's 8th District, Jim Moran.

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