What excuses do Repuke wingnuts give you as to why they still believe Bush

[LynneSin]

Believe me - they still believe Bush and I can't figure out why. Let's face it - we all know some republicans who still support that idiot in the White House. What excuses are they still using as to why they believe Bush didn't know anything about 9/11 (and that Clarke was lying)

My favorite (from a family member):

Bush is a good Christian man, something we didn't have for 8 years with Clinton in the White House

What's your favorite excuse?

[Goldmund]

1. I LOVE your sig image

[Dead_Parrot]

36. Seconded. LOL... n/t

[felonious thunk]

2. He's a regular guy

He's doing his best, and trying hard to do well.

The marketing works....

[LynzM]

3. My fav from last week...

"I've met Cheney, and Powell. They are good, honest guys. Bush may not be great, but he has a smart, talented staff."

GAG ME. Now, if only they would use their powers for good...

[LTR]

4. They give me the same ol', same ol'

"Democrats tax and spend."

"Small Government"

"Economy does better under Repug presidents."

"Strong defense"

But if they actually got their news from less-dubious sources, they would realize the opposite is true.

[Aristus]

5. "He's a good, decent Chris-chin moral may-ann.

He's decisive! He's bold! He sometimes gits through a whole speech 'thout shittin' himseff."

[ugarte]

6. You got it--it's the Jesus thing

He's the Muqtada of the Fundies. They would probably follow him into hell.

[matcom]

7. "Are You A Lesbian?"

:D

[LynneSin]

9. FLICK YOU MARTHA

nuff sad!

[matcom]

10. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

:*

[LynneSin]

14. I hate you

nuff said

:cry:

[TN al]

8. I've heard all of the ones mentioned but...

... the one I think most exemplifies republican thought is "DON"T TALK TO ME, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT!" Usually accompanied by hands over the ears and feet moving quickly to take them away from rational thought.

[burythehatchet]

18. As a temporary resident of Tennessee

I can relate to that one.

NEW...INFORMATION....MUST...NOT...LET...IT...IN...MUST...REMAIN...IGNORANT

[zbdent]

11. A purple-faced "individual" who claimed he voted his pocketbook

once proclaimed vehemently about Iraq/"War on Terror"(tm):

"I haven't seen a plan by anybody else!". Meaning that he thought that der Fuhrer was doing a splendid job.

Of course, this being Cleveland, I knew that pointing out Kucinich would be laughed off, and the guy would get even more to the invisible color scheme if I pointed him to the Kerry pages.

[SCDem]

12. "The President is just one man, he really doesn't make anything

happen, it is all the people that surround him."

"Well John Kerry is a flip flopper."

"I like the way he talks."

I can go on and on because I counter each of their comments but then they just keep coming back with more crap. How can you convince someone the sky is blue?

[SammyWinstonJack]

39. I like the way he talks?

Holy Crap! Who ever said that, is more of a Moran than even bush*, assuming that is possible.

[sniffa]

13. he Likes to excLude non-fundies from heaven

and stop them gays from desecrating marriage.

[Catfight]

15. Do you really believe Bush knew about 9/11?

As if I'm the crazy one, then I simply reply, if he didn't, why can't he just say it in the open, under oath, without collaboration with Cheney, and stop stonewalling the commission? Then I begin arguing with Sean Insannity talking points...most Bush followers get every ounce of news from talk radio and Fox.
The appeal of Bush is simple, he's their idol because he represents an average thinking, slacker of nepotism and all the average unattractive people who've felt stupid and inadequate find a common ground with him. If they stopped liking Bush, they'd have to face their own self-loathing.

[skypilot]

16. God, you're mean.

:-)

[Catfight]

22. are you flirting with me?LOL

I get tingly when someone calls me mean...LOL

[skypilot]

31. Oh my, you're easy too!!

:evilgrin:

[Dulcinea]

35. You nailed it!

That last paragraph says it all. Can I paraphrase it for my next letter to the editor?

[Catfight]

40. If you're addressing me, sure, paraphrase away. eom

[MikeG]

17. What I always hear is "I have to vote for Bush"

He has promised to stop all the killing of unborn babies.

[LynneSin]

19. We'll just kill them by shipping them off to Iraq

:shrug:

[elfwitch]

33. nah, that doesn't count...

You only can't kill them while they are in the womb.
After they hit air, they are valid cannon fodder just like everybody else.

[Dark]

44. Well, you know the old Repuke saying. . .

Every aborted baby is a worker we could have exploited.

[Ganja Ninja]

20. It's the old reliable "Blame Clinton!"

I guaranty that if Dubya wins the next election in less than 6 months you won't be able to find anyone that will admit to supporting him.

[Viking12]

23. "What about Clinton????" is the most commmon response

"What about Clinton" is the most commmon response from Repugs confronted with GW* lies. Apparently two wrongs makes a right-wing idiot.

[Dark]

45. Ha Ha! Good one!

[Cursive_Knives512]

21. I usually hear

"What, so you're for the terrorists?" (Classic 'with us or with the terrorists' patriotism gone wrong)

"At least he's better than Clinton. What did Clinton ever do for you?" :eyes:

"Just because everyone thinks it's 'cool' to criticize our President, doesn't mean you should jump on the bandwagon too" (A variation of complaints about the "liberal" press)

And then more talk about 9/11.

[TXlib]

24. Whatever they say, it falls into at least one of three categories:

1) Honest stupidity or militant, deliberate ignorance
2) Greed and selfishness
3) Xenophobia, bigotry, hatred

Republicans are evil, pure evil. You don't reason with evil. You destroy it.

[RobinA]

25. Excuses I Hear

Clinton was a sleaze bucket.

If Al Gore were president on 9/11 he would have flown to the Middle East and asked them what they wanted us to do to get them to stop bombing us.

Clinton was a sleaze bucket.

Bush got revenge for 9/11.

Clinton was a sleaze bucket.

Al Gore was a liar.

Bush reduced taxes.

Bush-haters are rabid nutcases who look for any excuse to make him look bad.

[Ricdude]

26. "At least he's not a wimp!"

"So what if we haven't found WMDs in Iraq, we kicked Saddam's ass, and if he wasn't a threat now, he was going to be a threat soon enough. We're better off without him, and I'm glad our president isn't just sitting by waiting for us to be attacked again."

Just about all of my acquaintences that would discuss politics with me are in the same hemisphere as I am. One of my friends went on like this for 10 minutes when the topic came up, though. I'm not sure how to counter that stance. I mean, I understand how to attack it logically, but logic doesn't work against good old american bully mentality.

[MissMillie]

27. "He had to do something now...

... so that when my son gets older he won't be drafted into war."


As if anything Bush is doing now will actually make things better for our future. Nothing like pissing off a bunch of Muslim extremists to keep us safe from terrorists, right?

[Beefheart]

28. "I have faith in him"

"And you can't question my faith!"

[IronLionZion]

29. The God damn liberal media is lying about him

Then I respond with, no they are corporate whores and lying FOR him!

[bif]

30. Bush is a visionary

A friend of ours who scares me more and more said this. That George has a vision for the Middle East and he has the guts to go in there and tell those people what's what. And it's about time. All the presidents before him were spineless. He has a vision for how to totally reshape the world. I try not to see this person very often, and when I do I avoid political discussions. But I just had to ask him what he thought about Bush. He also said that he thought Bush was a brilliant thinker. And this is our stock broker?!?!?! No wonder we've lost most of our money over the last 4 years.

[DiverDave]

41. Get your money OUT...FAST!

And tell him why.

[bif]

42. Can't, his wife's a good friend of my wife's

And she's apolitical. Besides, almost all the money's gone. It's funny, he lost over $100,000 of his friend's money who's another right winger. They deserve each other. I didn't lose that much money.

[SOteric]

32. Most of the Republicans/Conservatives I know who still believe

in the profound desirability of Bush as a leader do so for the same reasons I find Democrats and Liberals believe in their miscellaneous candidates, and leaders in government: They have pet issues they feel the leadership will address in ways their opponenets will not.

On the left we feel strongly about the environment, Roe vs. Wade, separation of church and state, equal rights and protections, etc. And to varying degrees (because we're varying individuals) we try to sort out whether we can expect our issues from career politicians who gild the lily during campaign speeches and whose voting records don't always reflect a clear direction with their regard.

On the right, there are strong feelings and opinions about taxation, the right to bear arms, some sentiments about fusing religion and government, strong defense and relief of terrorism's threat, etc. -And they hold these tenets as dearly as we do ours. The Republicans of my acquaintance who will not foresake Bush are clinging to him because they believe a Democrat will raise taxes immediately upon entry into the white house. Effective campaign adds are blanketing this area of the country where Bush's backers are flat-out saying so: Kerry will raise taxes.

This state, this country is already filled with people who are straining under the weight of tax burdens and convinced that their monies are being wasted on indolent people and Welfare scam artists, and that the Democrats all want to make that problem worse, not better.

There are many who are living in abject fear that their lives or those of their loved ones will screech to a halt in some horrific reinactment of September 11 and that George W. Bush and their constitutionally protected right to a weapons collection are all that stand between themselves and a zealously insane terrorist.

There are many who fear that the Christian God is a vengeful god and that he will destroy this country in the manner of Sodom and Gamorrah, and the world but for Noah, if we continue to allow this nation to 'murder unborn children' and 'marry in perversion of nature' and to defile our children with a constant bombarding of 'heathen indoctrination.'

These are valid viewpoints. I don't share them, but I can understand the people who hold them and how they've come to their conclusions. I have a differing way of looking at this country and what I ultimately hope it's leadership will help to build in it.

The trouble is, much like discussions over religion and Atheism, one cannot persuade the other side to one's way of thinking by vitriol and the hurling of epithets.

[TXlib]

34. Nobody, given their world view, is ever evil.

This was the gyst of a sermon one Sunday at the UU church we go to. The point wasn't that evil does not exist; rather, simply that nobody ever thinks that they are the ones who are evil.

I find it admirable, SOteric, that you are always so understanding of the viewpoints of others. However, I think there is always a danger in very tolerant people of being TOO tolerant and understanding. I'm not saying you're doing this, however. I don't know you anywhere near well enough to guess at that. However, I have encountered individuals who strive so hard to be understanding and tolerant of anybody that it seems to me they can rationalise away true evil.

Perhaps I'm being hyperbolic when i say all republicans are evil. I know not all are; clearly there are moderate republicans with whom i share much in common. I know I'm not going to win over converts with vitriol. I reserve that for posting here; DU is my primal scream therapy. I get all the hatred and vitriol off my chest here, and that is my safety relief valve.

However, I still stand by my assertion that there are only 3 possible ultimate reasons somebody would still support Bush: selfishness, willful ignorance, or xenophobia/bigotry. If you can come up with a counter-example, please share it with me.

I do view a person who feels it is their God-given mandate to push their narrow brand of morality on everybody else by any means possible as being, at best, woefully misguided, and at worst, pure evil.

I invite you to try to change my mind. You've successfully done so on other issues in the past, and I don't like carrying this dislike around, but right now, i can't seem to help it.

[SOteric]

43. Now, let me get this straight.

I find it admirable, SOteric, that you are always so understanding of the viewpoints of others. However, I think there is always a danger in very tolerant people of being TOO tolerant and understanding. I'm not saying you're doing this, however. I don't know you anywhere near well enough to guess at that. However, I have encountered individuals who strive so hard to be understanding and tolerant of anybody that it seems to me they can rationalise away true evil.


You, -an Atheist, are dancing around expressing the concern that I, - a practicing Catholic, may not be sufficiently convinced of and responsive to the presence of evil in the world.

*snerk* Someone call Andy Rooney. I think he’s got a vocal intonation he’s been saving for just such an occasion.

How did this get to be about me and whether I possess any qualities you admire?

You do know me well enough to know that I didn’t hesitate to spank you verbally for what I considered crossing a line of appropriate behaviour and that I engage in activism on the behalf of a people too downtrodden to fight their own battles. Let’s just dispense with the implications that I might be a big, white, fluffy marshmallow.

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Perhaps I'm being hyperbolic when i say all republicans are evil. I know not all are; clearly there are moderate republicans with whom i share much in common.

There isn’t any perhaps option offered. If you ‘know ‘ that not all Republicans are evil, then it’s hyperbole.

I know I'm not going to win over converts with vitriol. I reserve that for posting here; DU is my primal scream therapy. I get all the hatred and vitriol off my chest here, and that is my safety relief valve.

I love about DU that it is such a haven for us to vent our spleens. I love that we can share our stories and feel stronger for them. I’m also mindful that we help shape the thinking of young Democrats on these boards. Not everyone just wanders into these hallowed virtual halls for the purposes of ranting it out of their systems. Some come looking for information, news and a chance to develop their information base, to form bonds and make friendships with like-minded individuals. I think it fine for folks to rant and froth at the mouth about the ills they suffer. I will note, however that there is a disproportionate amount of ranting, screed-spewing and mouth-frothing. The young, moldable minds of Democrats, liberals and progressives need to be exposed just as often to balanced, rational thinking and discourse. And we offer so much less of this. I act as a catalyst for change the in the hearts and minds of at least a dozen deeply Catholic students each quarter, and it isn’t by ranting about their evil nature.

However, I still stand by my assertion that there are only 3 possible ultimate reasons somebody would still support Bush: selfishness, willful ignorance, or xenophobia/bigotry. If you can come up with a counter-example, please share it with me.

There are, - all over DU in fact, - countless examples of liberals who do not support Bush who have these same traits. We can be just as selfish and self-obsessed, wilfully ignorant and xenophobic/bigoted. You and I both know that logically:

All A is X and Some B is X does not give us a true result for refutation of A’s X status.

But in the real world, - which is a nice contrast to the logical one, -we can make a scientific leap that suggests that even if those traits were present to a man in the group that supports Bush (and there are always exceptions) the fact that they are present elsewhere tends to indicate they are not the determining factor in support for Bush. So, if you can be a posturing dumbfuck and not ever have attended an Ivy League university, then Ivy League universities must not be the elemental wellspring and inspiration of posturing dumbfuck but merely one facet of their potential nurture.

Moreover you have the Christian right supporting Bush, and try as you might, you will not likely convince me that the mere fact of being zealously Christian automatically fits one into the category of selfish, wilfully ignorant or bigoted. I know many who I don’t consider to be any of those things. Your mileage may vary, but I know a group of Jesuit priests who could think the best and brightest DU has to offer under the table any night of the week and twice on Easter Sunday.

I do view a person who feels it is their God-given mandate to push their narrow brand of morality on everybody else by any means possible as being, at best, woefully misguided, and at worst, pure evil.

The Right feels these issues as keenly with regard to the environment and Roe vs. Wade. What, fundamentally, makes them less entitled to the fear, indignation and wrath than are we?

[Commendatori]

37. Blix

Ask my father-in-law and he'll say "you guys wanted to give Blix a hundred years to find WMD but we can't have one year before you start calling him a liar."

Yeah, right, pop. Like that's the only matter of contention, and like it was essential to open fire right then and there last year.

If only you guys could see the difference between that jerk and his daughter. At least SHE's got her head on straight.

[jburton]

38. Bush loves the Fetus!

Or something along those lines...

[Dark]

46. Because we'd all be praying to Mecca if Kerry or Gore were in office.